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The 2010 Baltimore Ravens

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The Ravens' rookies report to training camp tomorrow, and a new season officially begins. Before that happens, let's look at the new players on the roster and determine who the Ravens' stud players are, which players are underrated and which players are question marks headed into the season. This is all my opinion so feel free to chime in.

The Ravens have been aggressive this off-season, but not many people would accuse them of being reckless. They have taken a below-average receiving corp and made it one of the deepest in the league by adding Anquan Boldin, Donte' Stallworth, Dennis Pitta and Ed Dickson. They took a defense that struggled to pressure the quarterback and added one of the top pass-rushers in the 2010 NFL draft in Sergio Kindle. They also took a traditionally feared run-defense and added a behemoth nose tackle in Terrence Cody. These moves have made it obvious that the Ravens' front office and leadership believe that this year could be very special for the team.

Most Ravens fans agree, and there's an almost tangible feeling of excitement among the fan-base. On the other hand, many fans are still apprehensive. Many of us remember the 2007 season when the Ravens were also pre-season Super Bowl favorites but disappointed with a 5-11 record. We also remember the up and down seasons under Brian Billick and are still wondering whether those days are over. We've all enjoyed that last two seasons and hope that John Harbaugh's consistency is here to stay, but everyone knows how quickly things can change in the NFL. That being said, things are still looking good for the Ravens going into the 2010 season. They are loaded with star players, and nearly every position has solid players as starters and backups. 

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New Players:

1. WR Anquan Boldin, The Ravens finally acquired their number one wide receiver in a trade that probably should have happened last season. Despite what some people might say, Boldin is one of the toughest, most respected and competitive receivers in the NFL. Not overly fast, Boldin makes a living with his physicality and quickness. Boldin can make all of the tough catches and take a five-yard pass to the end-zone.

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The best part is that Boldin was technically included in a trade that the Ravens made on draft day. The Ravens traded their first round pick (25th overall) to the Broncos on draft day and received the Broncos' second (43rd overall), third (70th overall) and fourth (114th overall) round picks. The following is a list of the the players that they picked with the draft picks that the Ravens acquired and the draft picks that they traded away:

1 (25), traded to Denver for picks 43, 70 and 114 overall.
2 (43), drafted Kindle.
2 (57), drafted Cody.
3 (70), drafted Dickson.
3 (88), traded to Arizona for Boldin.
4 (114), drafted Pitta.
4 (123), traded to Arizona for Boldin.
5 (156), drafted Reed.
5 (157), drafted Jones.
6 (194), drafted Harewood.
7 (232), traded to Tampa Bay for Douglas.

Basically, the Ravens traded down 18 picks (from 25 to 43) and received the following:

  • Anquan Boldin.
  • Traded up 18 picks in the third round (from 88 to 70).
  • Traded up 9 picks in the fourth round (from 123 to 114).

2. WR Donte' Stallworth, The signing of Stallworth was probably the biggest gamble that the Ravens took during the off-season. It took many fans by surprise because the Ravens are usually very conservative and do not like signing troubled players, but after listening to interviews with Stallworth, even the most jaded critic must see that he's a changed man. All in all, the signing of Stallworth has extremely high potential with very little risk. He could become a deep threat for the Ravens or could be a disappointment. However, the Ravens only signed a one-year deal and do not stand to lose very much even if Stallworth doesn't work out. Personally, I believe that Stallworth is going to excel as the Ravens' slot receiver and should be a huge threat when defenses focus too much on Mason and Boldin.

3. DE Cory Redding, The signing of Redding is easy to overlook with the signing of Boldin and the other off-season activity, but let's not forget that the Ravens lost Justin Bannan and Dwan Edwards this off-season. For many teams, those would have been crippling loses. Luckily, the Ravens took them in stride. Redding was formerly one of Detroit's best defensive players and had eight sacks in 2006. Redding may rediscover his former self on the Ravens' defense, which is far better than any other defense that he's been part of.

4. S Ken Hamlin, Hamlin is a former Pro Bowl safety that was cut by the Dallas Cowboys this off-season. Most people believe that this signing was insurance in case Ed Reed misses significant time at the beginning of the season. Hamlin may not be considered one of the best safeties in the league any longer, but his presence on the roster gives the Ravens great depth and experience at a position that has been struck with several injuries recently.

5. K Shayne Graham, Since the Ravens released Matt Stover last off-season, they have continually struggled at the kicking position. It all started with a kicking competition between Graham Gano and Steven Hauschka. After Hauschka won the battle and eventually lost his job, the Ravens signed Billy Cundiff, who did bring some stability. Now, the Ravens have signed Shayne Graham, a former Bengal and Pro Bowl kicker. The idea is to allow Graham and Cundiff to compete for the job in training camp.

Studs:

1. DT Haloti Ngata, I think that Ngata is the Ravens best overall player right now. He made his first Pro Bowl last season and it was well deserved. He's basically the rock that the Ravens defense rests on and since being drafted in 2006, he has helped the Ravens defense to consistently rank top-ten among all NFL defenses. Maybe the best run-stuffing defensive end for a 3-4 defense, Ngata has allowed the Ravens to run a truly unique hybrid defense because he can easily play any position along the defensive line. He's a rare talent and the key to the modern Ravens' defense.

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2. LB Ray Lewis, Many people would object to putting Ray Lewis as a stud and would insist that he's washed-up. Ravens' fans know better. I would agree that his physical abilities have drastically diminished since the Ravens' last Super Bowl run, but the Ravens' defense doesn't rely on him like they did in years past. He still has enough speed to dominate the middle of the field by shutting down the running game and is still the best leader in the NFL.

3. S Ed Reed, Three of the Ravens best players are on their defense. That's no surprise. Ed Reed has been shying away from contact over the last two seasons but is still a great safety. There's no safety in the league that can cover like he can. His abilities to read the coverages, cover ground and make plays are still unparalleled. No matter what Ravens fans will tell you, the team will miss Reed if he misses any time next season. They have good backups, but there isn't a player in the league that can replace what Reed brings to the Ravens' defense.

4. G Ben Grubbs, Grubbs could also be in the 'underrated' category but is just too good not to be put in the 'stud' category. The Ravens' offensive line has good players at every position, but it wouldn't be a stretch to say that Grubbs is the glue that holds them together. Grubbs is a massive, mauling brute that can move almost any defensive lineman in the league off the ball, but it's his technique and athleticism that most of his teammates and opponents praise. Grubbs is one of the best offensive lineman in the league, and if he follows last season up with another dominating performance, he should begin to get recognition.

5. RB Ray Rice, What can you say about Rice? The guy is amazing to watch. He's the kind of player that every football fan wishes were on his team. He's a dual threat and can catch-and-run better than any other NFL running back. The secret to his success is his ridiculous balance that's a product of his small stature, but there's nothing small about Rice's play on the field. In only his second season, Rice posted over 2,000 yards from scrimmage.

Underrated:

1. OLB Jarrett Johnson, All Ravens' fans love Johnson after last season. While Suggs was sucking wind after signing a huge contract and recovering from an off-season injury, Johnson was having the best season of his career. A defensive tackle in college, Johnson has proven to be a force against the run. Even better than that, he became the Ravens' best pass-rusher last season. Not many people outside the Ravens' fan-base even know who Johnson is, but he is another one of the great, late-round gems that power the Ravens defense. Johnson has not only become one of the best players on the Ravens defense but one of the best players on the entire team.

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2. S Tom Zbikowski, If you're scratching your head over this selection, you're probably not a Ravens' fan. The "steely-eyed assassin" maybe the toughest player on the team, and that's saying something. He's also one of the premier special teams players in the league, but what he brings to the team goes beyond a single phase. Zbikowski adds depth to a group that has struggled with injuries over the last two seasons, and if Reed misses significant time, Zbikowski could make a Jim Leonard-like impact. The only difference is that he'll probably stick around as Reed's heir apparent.

3. CB Lardarius Webb, Webb has gotten his share of praise for the way he played last season before his season-ending ACL tear. I only think that he's underrated because people are overestimating how long he'll be gone with his injury and underestimating the difference that he'll make once he's returned. When I was writing an article on defensive coverages, I watched almost every snap that Webb played last season and can honestly say that Webb 'gets it.' You can teach a player to use better technique, but it's hard to teach a player to effectively play with more aggression. Webb plays fast and has elite hips. That makes him a great man-cover corner. He needs to work on his technique in zone coverage, but the ability to lock down receivers with Webb will be significant when he returns from injury.

4. G Marshall Yanda, The term "blue-collar" defines Marshall Yanda. He's a hard working, tough lineman that probably goes unnoticed to all but the most observant Ravens' fans. He's not really Pro Bowl material, but Yanda is the type of player that traditionally fuels the Ravens. He's a third round pick that has proven himself as one of the Ravens' most versatile lineman since he can also play right tackle. That versatility allows the Ravens to carry one less lineman on the active roster than normal. Furthermore, Yanda showed good athleticism at the end of last season when he was pulling from the guard position and making blocks that paved the way for Ray Rice. Yanda was just beginning to come into his own, and Ravens' fans can only expect more from him in the future.

5. WR Derrick Mason, Mason has been the Ravens' best receiver for several seasons, but it seems like he is always underestimated and underrated. People will write him off due to his age, but Mason may be more underrated than ever this season. For the first time in his career with the Ravens, Mason will actually have another receiver on the offense who's also a threat. This should open up the field for Mason, and I believe that the Ravens will rely on him almost as much as Boldin. Teams that underestimate Mason or pay too much attention to Boldin will be in trouble.

Question Marks:

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1. CB Domonique Foxworth and CB Fabian Washington, No players have received more criticism and concern than Foxworth and Washington. Foxworth disappointed many fans when he appeared to struggle at the beginning of last season. Most fans believed that he wasn't living up to his contract, and truth be told, he wasn't. However, it would be wrong to put all the blame on his shoulders since the Ravens had the second lowest sack totals in franchise history. Washington also struggled and suffered a season ending knee injury. The biggest question and challenge facing the Ravens is regarding these two situations. Can Foxworth continue to improve, and can Washington return at full-strength? When fully healthy, the Ravens have a solid group with Foxworth, Washington, Webb and Carr, but if any of these players miss time, it will be hard for the Ravens defense to stop opposing quarterbacks. The signing of Walt Harris should help, but there is no doubt that the Ravens prefer (and need) their starting lineup to stay healthy.

2. OLB Terrell Suggs, Most fans were expecting a great season from Terrell Suggs, and much to their disappointment, Suggs seemed to spend most of the season catching his breath. Maybe the most embarrassing thing for Suggs was that Jarrett Johnson was having a career year on the other side of the defense. Sugg's lackluster performance, especially early in the season, was a big reason why the Ravens had a hard time rushing the quarterback. Going into this season, everyone is wondering how Suggs will perform. He has vowed never to have a season like that again, and in his defense, he was recovering from a shoulder injury from the previous season.

3. T Jared Gaither, Gaither was one of the most talked about players during the off-season. Many fans wanted to trade him and felt like the Ravens needed to get what they could for him before his contract runs out next season, but most fans knew that the Ravens weren't going to accept any less than what Gaither was worth. I'm in the minority of fans who believe that Gaither will remain with the Ravens long term. It's not impossible for teams to have two good tackles. Regardless of what happens next season, Gaither is playing for the Ravens now, and they will need him to play well and stay healthy in order to reach their lofty goals.

4. QB Joe Flacco, Yes... Flacco is a question mark heading into the 2010 season. He's not a question mark because of disappointing or lackluster play. He's a question mark because he needs to take the 'next step' in order for the Ravens to reach their full potential. Most people are considering Flacco's continued improvement a given, but at this point, I don't see how anyone can objectively do that. There are many quarterbacks in the league that never make it to elite status and hover around good to average every season. We cannot assume that Flacco will be great until he proves it. Personally, I believe that it can happen. With all of the weapons that he has this season, Flacco no longer has any excuses and could explode into elite status. However, Flacco's isn't an elite quarterback yet, and much of the Ravens' success this season depends on his performance.

5. DT Terrence Cody and OLB Sergio Kindle, I'm really excited about these guys... maybe more than is warranted. I just love it when a plan comes together. Obviously, the Ravens couldn't have planned on drafting Kindle and Cody, but they stuck to their draft philosophy and it really paid off. As I detailed above, they basically received Boldin for trading down eighteen picks, and as if to make the deal sweeter, they were able to draft two players that they had graded in the first round. Kindle and Cody aren't question marks because the Ravens will be relying on them. They are question marks because I believe that these guys can make a huge difference this season, and if they can, the Ravens will be a truly special team. History has shown that many Super Bowl teams have enjoyed good production from their rookies.

The opinions posted here are those of the administrator of this blog and his loyal readers. They are in no way official comments from the team, and should not be misconstued as such, even though he thinks he could do just as well or even a better job!

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This is amazing quality

I always like your stories Bal_Hawk. This is getting rec’ed and Featured.

"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me

by Zachary Beard on Jul 25, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup, really well done. The only question mark I can even think of after reading that is who is going to start next to Ray.

by 60minuteassassin on Jul 25, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

This is the kind of work I’m talking about when I speak so highly of the site.

by Ravens One on Jul 25, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

This is the kind of work I’m talking about when I speak so highly of the site.

by Ravens One on Jul 25, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea man

Usually I dont read posts of this size but it was some good stuff.

by Raven_all_day on Jul 25, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That pretty much sums up Hawk's style

You think you don’t have the time, but once you start reading it, you can’t stop. Just wish he would post great stuff more often, stories are really dry this time of year.

"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me

by Zachary Beard on Jul 25, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

stories are really dry this time of year.

Clayton vs Reed
Graham vs Cundiff
Zbikowski vs Hamlin
Dickson vs Pitta
Gregg vs Cody

Definitely dry. “Nice job Malor.” Thanks guys!

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'Mon Man

You found a good cow to milk. Besides CC and You-decide, I got nothing.

"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me

by Zachary Beard on Jul 25, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Training Camp coverage coming from Bruce and myself for a while now, so things will be picking up.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yanda, Grubbs, and JJ. My 3 favorite Ravens. I have been watching games from this past season over the summer on the Network and watching these 3 in particular. JJ has become one of the leaders on that D, he works hard and has really stepped up after the departure of Audalius. Grubbs and Yanda are the secret of much of Ray Rice’s success. If you are a fan of good line play, watch Grubbs in the Oakland game or Yanda in the NE playoff game. I met Yanda this summer and regret that I didnt get to ask him what Wilfork said to him after he mauled him on the first play from scrimmage. Thanks for the great post, we are pumped in South Carolina!

by Ngata 92 on Jul 25, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

JJ is one of my favorites as well. The guy just goes out there and plays and you never hear a complaint from him. This is one of my favorite quotes from JJ and why we all love him.

It was his versatility that impressed not only the Ravens, but also many other teams. A few seasons ago when Johnson was in line for a new contract, he was in the position of entertaining more lucrative offers from other organizations.

"I had similar offers," said Johnson of his contract negotiations. "The way it was structured would have been a better deal with another team. But I knew leaving the Ravens and leaving the coaching staff would have been a big mistake. I wanted to stay loyal to them just like they stayed loyal to me by offering me what they did."

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wht about the hard-nosed Matt Birk

He always seems to play with a cut across the bridge of his nose and blood running down the side of his face. Just a working man doing his job, for over a decade!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 25, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a big fan of Birk, but I think it’d be tough for him to make one of the top-5 lists above. As good as he is, it’d be a bit disingenuous to say he’s a top-5 stud on the Ravens. He’s also had enough recognition throughout his career (six Pro Bowls) to not merit being listed among our underrated.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jul 25, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love Birk as well, but JJ is a true Raven all the way through and he wanted to make sure it stayed that way. JJ is Baltimore.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

For all those who groaned when we let Adalius walk and signed JJ to a 4 year 16 million deal……suck it!

Look who is laughing now…Adalius gets cut, and we get a Pro-bowl caliber LB for less than 1/5 of what albert haynsworth makes! LOL

by Rayisyourdaddy on Jul 26, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK i understand why we like JJ but Adalius could play all over the field literally. He was an impact player. I still wish he was in Baltimore but it wouldnt happen because he wants to get paid and right now we tryna sign Ngata, Reed and others. Going to the Patriots want a smart move on his behalf because there is no defense like the ravens, unless u try the Jets.

by Raven_all_day on Jul 26, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no way he was worth more than double JJ. And Adalius had some years to get as good as he did. JJ has only been starting for a few years and has gotten better each year. I am glad we didnt overpay Adalius.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Jul 26, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adalius

Got his big payday. He will not get a big money contract when/if he signs for 2010. There is little interest for him around the league.

by DT711 on Jul 26, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adalius was a system guy, us like most of our other LB in the past. That 2006 defense was full of so much talent that a guy like Adalius was able to put up numbers, just like the rest. Rex Ryan made AD and NE was far too conservative of a defense for him to be successful in.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 26, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

His game was based on unbelievable athleticism for a man his size, which allowed him to be incredibly versatile in Rex Ryan’s D. While still a good athlete, age and injuries have definitely caught up to him some. Among NFL types, I think hes thought of as just another guy at this point.

by DT711 on Jul 27, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could he now be a possible option to sign? We were expecting alot of things from Kindle and that does not look likely at the moment. I am very excited to see what Barnes has for us, but the competition and depth with AD would be nice. Maybe we could convince him to buy into what we are doing here and that being in your mid 30’s is not going to get you a big pay day in the NFL.

There is a reason he has not been signed by ANY team, but could maybe still make an impact if put in the right situation……maybe.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 27, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

We could sign him

As far as I know. The final eight restrictions would not prohibit it and he could probably be had for a million or two for one year. I’m not sure he makes this team (I’m guessing he’d want a fully guaranteed contract to sign), and while it would be nice to bring him to camp to battle it out the youngsters, I’m not sure its something he’d go for.

by DT711 on Jul 27, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would Mattison even be able to get as much out of Thomas as Ryan did?

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jul 27, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doubtful. I do not think it would be a good idea to bring him in, and I have a feeling the Ravens feel similarly.

by DT711 on Jul 27, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone said it previously.

The guy wears his sunglasses indoors. If you have that kind of attitude on a Harbaugh team, you better be a pro-bowler, and even then you might still wind up in his doghouse. I just don’t see Harbaugh going after a guy who Bellicheck couldn’t get to fall in line.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Jul 27, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cool Article

Did anyone see when Brian Baldinger gave his five best overall players in the NFL. It went…
5. Haloti Ngata
4. Drew Brees
3. Chris Johnson
2. Peyton Manning
1. Darrelle Revis

That is some pretty high praise. Haloti is finally getting some well deserved national recognition after last season. He put in his time, just like Ben Grubbs needs to do for one more season. I agree that he will be nationally known come next off season.

I also agree on Flacco. I really think he has a great shot at solidifying himself as an elite NFL QB, but its not a given after two seasons. If he can stay healthy and continue to improve, Flacco should make the leap to leagues best in 2010.

by DT711 on Jul 25, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

To add

The show I am referring to above with Baldinger is NFL Total Access from last week, so it was a pretty large audience.

by DT711 on Jul 25, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

NFL Access is complete garbage

by klompus on Jul 25, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like Total Access

Can never get enough football, and in the off season, they are always there for me.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 25, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

So much better then anything on ESPN, in my opinion. What don’t you like about it compared to the other options?

by DT711 on Jul 25, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

no comparison from ESPN, as the NFL Network is about football and the ESPN is about the anchors way too much.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 25, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

What don’t you like about it compared to the other options?

The fact that they placed a Raven in the top 5 players in the league.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

Just saw he is a Steelers fan which explains his disdain for Total Access. They have not been kind (with reason) to Ben or the Steelers this off season.

by DT711 on Jul 25, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i stopped watching total access after the only real insider on that show (schefter) left. jason la canfora is an idiot. he constantly reports things ass backwards and has been saying the steelers would cut casey hampton the past two years. i dont mind the bashing of ben that much because he earned it but the sports illustrated article was pure garbage in my mind. and having najeh davenport and some other no name on outside the lines is just shoddy journalism.

by klompus on Jul 26, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair Enough

I actually like La Canfora, and did when he covered the Redskins before joining NFL Network. He has always had love for the Ravens though.

by DT711 on Jul 26, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

if youre going to honor a defensive player you have to assume he picked ngata because he was a game changer. where as if youre going to put a defensive game changer on the board at all, ngata is a good one, but not near the best one in my opinion. you have ed reed, troy, and woodley in my opinion. woodley ends drives himself and has already set records in the post season for sacks. by that route d ware also deserves a look at least as much as ngata. because while ngata is a very very elite linemen, there are others that compete with him directly, including haynesworth in the 4-3 sets or when he gives a damn, ratliff from dallas, and of course hampton/rogers from our own afn north. wilfork too.

by klompus on Jul 26, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

woodley ends drives himself

Ngata doesn’t let them start.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 26, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like ESPN or Total Access. They both focus on media darlings and usually only give light to the truly talented teams every once in a while. a 20 minute segment on what the colts are going to do at kicker and a 5 minute segment that barely talks about teams on the rise like the 49ers or if oakland will contend for 8-8 with jason campbell.

i do like the other shows on nfl network though mostly.

by klompus on Jul 26, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, did they spend too much or too little time on Roethlisberger’s suspension?

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jul 26, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

read above. i haven’t watched since jason started being their “insider.” so i didnt watch for the roethlisberger coverage.

by klompus on Jul 26, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you just hate his lazy eye.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 26, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

more than that and the fact he looks kinda like drew carey at times i hate that the NFL network thinks we’re all idiots.

canfora was a beat writer. a beat writer isn’t mysteriously going to grow the connects required to be a full time nfl insider. schefter’s blackberry was probably constantly blowing up from different, real sources. we all know the nfl owns and runs that network, so based on the bullshit that guy is fed to feed to us, i’d say all of his “insider” access is merely the NFL feeding him rumors that coincide well with their equally bullshit website. peter king can suck brady off some more

by klompus on Jul 26, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Before Schefter became an "insider"

He worked the Denver Broncos beat for 15 years.

by DT711 on Jul 26, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

before schefter was an “insider” and while he was a beat writer, he was a frequent on around the horn and did a few other espn programs… say, might he have done this to make connects? la canfora on the other hand… overnight grew his connections and was rushed to replace adam.

by klompus on Jul 26, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

NFL Network can get a little cheesy, but it is indeed better than ESPN. One thing about NFL Network is that you have to give Mike Mayock his credit. That guy is by far the most knowledgeable draft analyst in the sport and he knows his stuff.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 26, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

mike mayock is the only draft guru i buy into. if you ever watch the espn and nfl draft coverage side by side, mayock alone blows mcshay and kiper out of the water with his predictions. they’re both lost and he knows exactly what’s coming.

i like nfl network as a whole much better than espn, but not for total access. more for playbook and other analysis shows they run during the season

by klompus on Jul 26, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I don't like about NFL network

Is how slow it takes them to report Breaking news. ESPN, is clearly the best for that. Other than that NFL Network is 10x better.

"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me

by Zachary Beard on Jul 26, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

That’s because depending on who it is about (the breaking news) NFL Network wants to sanitize it first.

by Ravens One on Jul 26, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

But ESPN tells you what’s happening, and after it’s over they make a clean report about it.

"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me

by Zachary Beard on Jul 26, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better than ESPN

spending 55 minutes of coverage on the Pats and Colts and Chargers and five minutes total on the rest of the league.

by ATXRaven on Jul 26, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN loves the “CCCP,” Colts, Chargers, Cowboys, Patriots.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 26, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

i feel like they both do the same thing. every year on NFL network is chargers vs cowboys superbowl in july, buy your tickets.

by klompus on Jul 26, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

It sounds really bad but one of the first things I said to my brother after hearing the news on Kindle was, “I’m glad it wasn’t Cody.”

by DT711 on Jul 25, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just hoping that it’s not career ending.

by BAL_Hawk on Jul 25, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They said he's in stable condition

But what the the hell was he doing in Austin, Texas anyways?

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by Zachary Beard on Jul 25, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is where the University of Texas is located, and Kindle did go there.

by DT711 on Jul 25, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would he be there two days before training camp

Is what I’m trying to say.

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by Zachary Beard on Jul 25, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

He probably still lives there, and with training camp coming up, he is going to be away from home for a long time. After camp the preseason and season begin and his free time to visit home will be extremely limited. Totally reasonable that he would want to spend his last few days at home before reporting.

by DT711 on Jul 25, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what the the hell was he doing in Austin, Texas anyways?

Falling down stairs. Didn’t you hear?

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by Ampallang on Jul 25, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really like this description.

The Ravens have been aggressive this off-season, but not many people would accuse them of being reckless.

I think that sums up the type of front office we have. We can make the aggressive moves for great players without getting out of hand financially IE Anquan Boldin.

This still amazes me. Ozzie is a god.

Basically, the Ravens traded down 18 picks (from 25 to 43) and received the following:
    - Anquan Boldin
    * Traded up 18 picks in the third round (from 88 to 70)
    * Traded up 9 picks in the fourth round (from 123 to 114)

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

This still amazes me. Ozzie is a god.

I didn’t even mention that trading up in the third and fourth rounds allowed the Ravens to draft Dickson and Pitta. They probably wouldn’t have been available at 88 and 123 respectively. I’m sure Ozzie still would have gotten decent players, but we all know that Ozzie makes the most of his draft picks. I’m sure that Dickson and Pitta are better than the players the Ravens would have gotten without the trade.

by BAL_Hawk on Jul 25, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wonder if we could add an "Over rated List"

And who would be on it from this team. I’m sure many would start the list with Suggs, but not me, as having help on the d-line will take pressure off of him and allow him to put more pressure on the QB.

Hmmm….perhaps Gaither? Landry?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 25, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

He is really only overrated among Ravens fans.

by DT711 on Jul 25, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is really only overrated among some Ravens fans.

Fixed that for you.

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by Ampallang on Jul 25, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Call

Its really just a very vocal minority.

by DT711 on Jul 25, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think their are any really. I am sure other fan bases will tell you differently about our team, such as Joe, Ray, etc.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I laughed when I saw this

How is Ray Overrated? He’s the best LB ever. And Joe got us to play-offs for the last two years. Soooo……

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by Zachary Beard on Jul 25, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me, I have head other fans tell me this many of times. They look at the hype Joe has gotten recently then look at his playoff stats (only one that should matter is 3 wins).

With Ray, I have heard “he is overrated for about the last 3 years. Every year people say he can’t go much longer, he is old and will have a huge drop off. He is only a top 5 LB because of his name.”

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

biggest criticism I hear is that he tackle numbers are skewed since he has a penchant for hitting people that are already on the way down. Which I think is just physical football… but some see it as trying to pad stats.

by ATXRaven on Jul 26, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I've heard people say that

Its a joke. You play until the whistle blows and the man is ruled down.

by DT711 on Jul 26, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Gaither

I honestly think he is a top 5 RT in this league.

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by Zachary Beard on Jul 25, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gaither was hands-down the best Left Tackle we had last year. Landry was coming back from a potentially career-ending injury; he looked much more comfortable towards the end of the year (and finished the season tied for the most interceptions on the team).

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by Ampallang on Jul 25, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Landry also finished 2nd on the team in tackles (89), with only 19 of them being assisted. Being behind Ray Lewis in tackles and the most interceptions on the team is far from overrated, especially after what the guy went through before last season.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually considered Landry for the underrated list. I think that he’s a little better than advertised.

My overrated list, which was very hard to construct… These players aren’t THAT overrated. They just the most overrated.

1. NT Kelly Gregg, I hate putting Gregg up here. He’s still a solid player but just not as good as people think. Ravens’ fans have spend the last eight seasons preaching about how underrated Gregg is, and now all of the sudden, he doesn’t quite live up to the hype.

2. DE Trevor Pryce, Like Gregg, he’s still a solid player but doesn’t quite live up to his reputation. There’s a reason why the Ravens asked him to take a pay cut this off-season.

3. QB Troy Smith, I don’t really understand the buzz around Smith this off-season. The Ravens put the lowest possible tender on him, and still no teams wanted him. I think that Smith has a winning mentality, but there is a reason that he hasn’t been claimed.

4. TE Todd Heap, I love Heap and what he’s done for the Ravens. He’s still a decent receiving tight end and an underrated blocker, but he’s only a shadow of his former self. I think the cronic back problems have really slowed him down.

5. T Michael Oher, Nothing gets a player hyped more than having his own movie. For the most part, Oher lives up to his reputation and is a beast in run-blocking. However, Oher doesn’t live up to his hype on the “blind-side.” He needs to work on his pass-blocking, which was inconsistent at times last season. Oher’s reputation got ahead of him last season, but I wouldn’t worry. He’ll be living up to it (and more) before long.

I’m sure that I’ll get some wrath for this list. Remember that I don’t believe that these players are extremely overrated. They’re just the most overrated players on a team that have very few overrated players to choose from.

by BAL_Hawk on Jul 25, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t really understand the buzz around Smith this off-season.

It’s a gift actually.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pryce

Def not overrated. He had 6.5 sacks and only started 7 games. Sounds like a good season being that he is 34 and could retire at any moment.

by Raven_all_day on Jul 25, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the point was that all the guys on the list were a stretch to be on the list. It speaks well of the organization.

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by Ampallang on Jul 25, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Letting Pryce leave was a huge mistake (for the Broncos).

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 26, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pryce

Got asked to take a pay cut because we would have cut him outright if he hadn’t taken it. He knew he wasn’t worth the money, so he took the cut.

I don’t think we have any overrated players. I think we truely have top 5 units all over the field, except for the secondary, and our wideouts, which are both around 11th.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Jul 26, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

In my opinion, having to take a pay cut means that you’re overrated. The team signed him to a large contract, which everyone thought he’d earn. Since his play isn’t living up to what the team projected, how is he not (albeit only a little) overrated?

by BAL_Hawk on Jul 26, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

but he is not overrated at his current salary, only at his previous salary.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Jul 26, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

His pay cut is simply a monetary indicator that represents what the organization believed he would be worth at this point in time. Obviously, he hasn’t lived up to that… Therefore, I believe he’s slightly overrated.

by BAL_Hawk on Jul 26, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had 6.5 sacks last year and only started 7 games. Thats overrated?

by Raven_all_day on Jul 26, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Le'Ron McClain

Is one guy I might put in the overrated list. Loved his punishing style as a runner in 2008, but lets be honest – there’s no way he makes the pro-bowl in 2008 if he had been listed as a halfback rather than a fullback. Even though he was used mostly as a tailback that season, he was still listed as a fullback and voters saw that and said “wow those are amazing stats for a fullback, send him to the pro-bowl!”

McClain is the man, but I’ve never hear of him being described as an elite blocker, and he’s probably not much more than a top-15 or top-20 ball carrier. Someone like this making two consecutive pro-bowls shows him to be a little bit overrated.

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by Massacre on Jul 26, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right to point out in ‘08 he was more TB than FB, but the man can play FB. Check Rice’s and McGahee’s stats, he doesn’t do it on his own. McClain is also a better running FB than any other FB in the league. He actually finds holes and exploits them. Unlike a lot of FBs who just plow into the backs of their OLman.

by BmoreBlitz on Jul 26, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think McClain is as good of a lead blocker as Lorenzo Neal?

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 26, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better

His twitter account is “Bringdapain33” enough said.

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by Zachary Beard on Jul 26, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Love the sound of that!

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 26, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mcclain also finishes drives with touchdowns. I think that’s worth something. I buy that he was a little overrated in 08 but last year he really played FB and made the most of his touches

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by jackmca on Jul 26, 2010 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Snap!

I remember being really pumped when we drafted him. I hadn’t heard of him prior to that but I remember lots of people writing that he was the best fullback in the draft. Not bad for a late rounder!

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 26, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Splitting carries with Willis in 08’ he had 10 TD’s and 900 yards. He was Tied with Adrian Peterson in TD’s. At 6’0" 260 do you think its easy to run for 900 yards. To be honest his performance at texas stadium probably sealed it. But the guy deserved his Pro Bowl apprearance.

by Raven_all_day on Jul 26, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely deserved it.

He practically carried the offense down the stretch. And the touchdowns were huge.

I just think he wasn’t a top five ball carrier over the course of the whole season. So with the consecutive prow bowls and related accolades, I say he’s slightly overrated.

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 26, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suggs is not overrated

He has one bad season and everyone comes down on him. Brady Quinn tried to put him in a wheelchair and everybody blaming Suggs. Missed 3 games, came back sooner than what he was supposed to, whats the problem. Didnt he contribute to us beating the patriots with that strip-fumble. Ppl needs to stop trippin, when he put Sanchez on his back, everyone will get off his back.

by Raven_all_day on Jul 25, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

In no order:

Ray Lewis
Troy Smith
Todd Heap

Those are the only overrated players I see. Flacco gets appropriate hype, unlike the amount of roar Ryan gets in Atlanta over no big deal in my opinion. Sanchez and Ryan both get more hype than they should, but I’d say the amount of hype for Flacco is much more appropriate

by klompus on Jul 26, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Smith and Heap

But how is Lewis overrated?

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by Zachary Beard on Jul 26, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

simply because he used to be the number one inside backer in the league, and now he’s merely top 5. people still treat him like number one when he’s not.

by klompus on Jul 26, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well we all know that

We know he’s starting to slip, but not as much as people make it out to be. He still had 134 tackles last year and 3 sacks. For a man his age that’s amazing. Patrick Willis is clearly #1 now. But the fact that Ray Lewis can still contribute when he is a really old player, is why he gets hype.

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by Zachary Beard on Jul 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

he’s not slipping much, he’s just not the defensive god he used to be. he definitely still contributes, otherwise i wouldn’t have hoped for him to sign that contract with another team in 08. but the fact is nobody wanted him as much as the ravens wanted him that year, and there are rumors that he fabricated the contract offers from other teams to get a bigger contract from the ravens

by klompus on Jul 26, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he would do that

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by Zachary Beard on Jul 26, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

who knows

Mans gotta make his money. Players and agents do that stuff all the time. Who cares, he’s a career raven now.

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--Joe Flacco

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by jackmca on Jul 26, 2010 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Im sorry but i dont think Patrick Willis or Jon Beason wouldve had the instincts to bust that gap and tackle Sproles. But should he still be the #1 maybe not be he damn sure is in the top 3

by Raven_all_day on Jul 26, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off Topic: Since Terrence Cody has yet to sign a contract yet, does that mean he is missing this weeks practices? Hopefully that gets done tomorrow so he will be there Tuesday to watch.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s not like there’s any rush on Kindle’s contract. I’d like to think that Ozzie and company can focus on Cody and get it done in time to get him into camp. Cody (and Kindle, although it’s moot at this point) said he didn’t want to hold out.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/07/kindle_and_cody_remain_unsigned_as_reporting_date_nears_1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:sports_football_ravens(Ravens+Insider)

Cody said he wanted to avoid holding out “100 percent.”

“I just want to play ball," Cody said. "I feel like I’m in a good position and a great team drafted me. Holding out will put a flaw on my character."

I don’t necessarily agree with the last sentence, but I can appreciate the sentiment.

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by Ampallang on Jul 25, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, I know Kindle won’t be getting anything done for the time being. I saw those quotes a while ago. Just got concerned since the Rookies start tomorrow and we haven’t heard anything about Cody’s contract yet. But we also haven’t heard anything for about 95% of the other 1st and 2nd round picks. We should be fine, just want to make sure I get to see him on Tuesday at McDaniel.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to say something like 1-3 second rounders have been signed so far. Word is that Cody’s contract will be worked out Monday.

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by Ampallang on Jul 25, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Kindle signed his contract yet?

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by Zachary Beard on Jul 25, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

No.

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by Ampallang on Jul 25, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That can’t be good for him, because I think this “Incident” Might greatly decrease the amount of money he receives.

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by Zachary Beard on Jul 25, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm, no it won’t.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 25, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

They could think that he can’t stay out of off the field problems and that could reduce how much they are willing to pay for him.

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by Zachary Beard on Jul 25, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much to be excited about

Of the new players
1. I’d like to see Stallworth break out, prove his critics wrong while providing the 3rd
   viable WR threat.
2. Zbi’s a fan favorite but Hamlin could win the job if he can pick up the system quickly.

Of the studs
1. I agree that Ngata is the best player on this team given Ray Lewis’ age and Reeds health. Can you
     imagine how much more effective Ngata will be with Cody and a return to form by Suggs?
2. Ray Rice is an terrific player and a key to the offense. Rice’s number may drop a
     little do to more weapons on offense.

Of the underrated
     A healthy Webb is needed in the worst way. Without 3 quality CB’s teams will attack the
     secondary with great confidence in 11/10 personel. I also think Webb can be an elite player in this
     league. I like Carr more on ST’s and Foxworth needs a great pass-rush in front of him in
     my opinion.

Of the question marks
1. Flacco will take a step up in status and lead this football team. I believe his past issues in
     terms of completing passes inside the numbers, making one read in his
     progression and then checking down to Rice are over. Boldin, Pitta and Dickson will solve
     the lack of consistentcy problems of the trowing the ball in the middle of field. Flacco
     will effectively attack all five field zones now.
2. Gaither makes me nervous. He has great size and tools but has questionable work
     ethic. He had to be moved from Flacco’s “blind side” becuase you can’t have the
     franchise QB placed in harms way. I don’t think Gaither is physical enough in the run game
     the way most RT are this league. It will be interesting to see what becomes of this
     situation moving forward.

by Ravens One on Jul 25, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s funny everyone is using the phrase “blind side” now instead of LT. I catch myself doing it sometimes too.

I agree, Flacco is going to take the next step. Nothing is a given like Hawk said, we just don’t see too many young QB’s come into this league and do what he’s done. Since he seems to have such a level head and good work ethic, his development should continue.

He’s also got a new QB coach, Zorn, who should offer some different lessons/techniques. Zorn’s played in and been very succesful QB in this league. At the very least, he provides Flacco a new set of eyes on how to improve.

I can’t wait for the season to start and see Flacco 3.0.

by BmoreBlitz on Jul 26, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the Zorn addition alot

Because the work he did with Hasselbeck when he was still in Seattle was amazing. The reason Campbell didn’t look good, is because he didn’t have the time to work with him as closely as Hasselbeck, because he had to manage the rest of the team. Now that he is here soley to work with Joe, I can see much improvement.

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by Zachary Beard on Jul 26, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zorn

I agree with both of you about the Zorn addition. It’s not gotten much press but is HUGE. The buffer zone that Zorn provides Cameron and Flacco should help to squash things on the sideline when things don’t exactly go according to script with Flacco.

by Ravens One on Jul 26, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

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