Training Camp Battles: Ed Dickson vs Dennis Pitta
With only 2 days until the start of the Baltimore Ravens training camp in Westminster, Maryland we take a look at what I think will be the 5 most important position battles throughout the month. The 2nd most important battle to watch out for during the month of August will be between two rookies, Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta, both Tight Ends taken in the 2010 draft by Baltimore.
Baltimore has always been a team that relies very much its Tight Ends to help move the ball in the run first offense that we have always had. Veteran Todd Heap had one of his best seasons in recent memory last year where he was able to play in all 16 games and put up 6 scores throughout the year. However, there was no one behind Heap last year, so Baltimore got lucky that there was not an injury to their starter. To make sure that we would be setup if an injury to Heap does happen or even find Heap's replacement for the future, Ozzie Newsome spent two draft picks on Tight Ends Ed Dickson and Dennis pitta. Not only does this give us great depth, but it expands the offense for Joe Flacco so much more. For being the run first offense that we are, we have very rarely seen the 3 tight end set used and the 2 tight end set used effectively. With two very different, but dynamic rookies coming into the picture, this could be a big year at the Tight End position.
Let's take a closer look at the battle between Dickson and Pitta
Ed Dickson - 6'4" - 250 lbs - Rookie
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ED DICKSON STATS Receiving Statistics No Yds Avg TD 2009 42 551 13.1 6 2008 35 508 14.5 3 2007 43 453 10.5 3 2006 4 45 11.3 0 2005 0 0 0.0 0 Career 124 1,557 12.6 12
- The Ravens spent the 70th overall pick in the 3rd round on the Oregon product. Dickson was one of the best athletes at the Tight End position coming out of the draft and it was noticed by Baltimore. Director of player personnel Eric DeCosta had this to say about Dickson,
He ran a sub-4.6 [40-yard dash] at the Combine, which is very good for a tight end. He can stretch the field. He’s got very good hands and catching range. He’s a big target. We think he’s got loads of promise as a receiving tight end, and we think he’s a pretty good blocker, too. He’s going to develop in that regard. He’s often detached from the line of scrimmage, but we think this is a guy who’s going to be a three-down tight end for us.
- What Dickson will need to do: First off, Dickson will need to show us that he can handle the different blocking schemes we have for the Tight End in our offense. I have heard that Dickson is an above average blocker already, but this is always something you want to improve on at this level. People may doubt his blocking abilities, but look at it this way. During Dickson's time at Oregon, there was a 1,000 yard rusher each season, so he had to have been doing something right. Because of the athlete that Dickson is, he should be able to show coaches that he can be a down field threat at TE. We want to be able to use every bit of his speed and length to stretch the field as much as possible.
Dennis Pitta - 6'4" - 245 lbs - Rookie
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DENNIS PITTA STATS Receiving Statistics No Yds Avg TD 2009 62 829 13.4 8 2008 83 1,083 13.0 6 2007 59 813 13.8 5 2004 17 176 10.4 2 Career 221 2,901 13.1 21
- After drafting Ed Dickson in the 3rd round, the Ravens spent a 4th round pick on BYU Tight End Dennis Pitta, giving the Ravens depth at the position they have never seen. The first thing that comes to mind when watching Pitta is that he is the conventional Tight End who does all the dirty work. Director of college scouting, Joe Hortiz, had this to say about Pitta
He lines up in the slot and at traditional tight end. He’s got outstanding hands. In the five or six games I’ve watched him, he dropped one ball. He’s a real savvy route runner and just knows how to get open versus a zone. He’s quick and sudden enough to be a mismatch versus linebackers, and he just brings that flexibility to an offense where you can line him up on the line or put him out in the slot.
- What Pitta will need to do: One of the most important things for Pitta to show coaches is that he can be that guy who will go across the middle, make the tough 5-8 yard catch and secure the ball. Pitta is not the greatest athlete out there, but he understands how to get space and was said to have the best hands of any Tight End coming out of the draft. We need to see all those things if Pitta wants to win this job.
Others in contention to be involved in the battle: Haloti Ngata, Terrence Cody (in goal line situations)
Who wins the battle?: To be honest, I have a feeling that we will see Dennis Pitta as the primary backup to Todd Heap and the team's number 2 Tight End. This is not a knock on Ed Dickson what so ever, but Dickson to me seems like the guy we will be moving around all over the field while Pitta seems to be the more traditional tight end. If lining up next to the tackle, I think Pitta will do a better job of that while Dickson will be the type of tight end that we line up wide. Both players are going to be huge contributors to this offense in 2010.
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There may end up with both winning the #2 job
as there migh just be enough balls and opportunities for both of them. They are similar size and have great speed and hands, but both should contribute right away. Blocking receiving, Special Teams, they both can play and are pretty versatile. At the same time, by the end of the season, the only reason that Dickson may be the #2 TE, is because Pitta is the #1 tight end!
aka 'Rexx'
Use them both
It would be nice when they give Heap a rest line them both up next to the tackles. That way other teams can’t stack the box. If they do send them both out for a short slant and if not run the ball.
Talk about redeeming one's self
(Ozzie after using a draft pick on Davon Drew)
They say the empty can rattles the most...
again, i’m surprised to see this consensus around Pitta. Dickson is the guy who excites me more. While Pitta sounds like a cant-miss NFL player, Dickson sounds like a BEAST who could really become a star. He runs a sub 4.6? DAMN, this guy could be a poor-man’s Vernon Davis. He’s a matchup nightmare. While Pitta will catch everything, Dickson is the threat to take it to the house.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Right
How is this not closer? I voted for Dickson and it was his 14th vote, compared to 311 for Pitta.
I voted for Pitta on the premise that Dickson might be seeing some time as a wide out, but I’m surprised the voting is so lopsided.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
Pitta is more ready today, Dickson has more upside. He needs more polish, so for our current Super bowl run in 2010, it is Pitta. Beyond 2010, I expect Dickson to be our Tony G.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jul 23, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitta is more mature
and seems more polished. In addition, he blew away Dickson’s career stats with 29 TD’s, which is insane for a college TE. Both guys will have solid NFL careers, no worry for a change at this position. I’ll take Dixon and Pitta over just Jermaine Gresham any day!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jul 23, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This^^^^^^^
Dickson has the physical skill-set that teams are looking for now…….a TE that is athletic enough to remain on the field in 11 personel forcing teams to go to dime and nickle packages to cover him with a corner because LB’s and Safety’s can’t cover the guy . Dickson could be Visanthe Shiancoe. If he reaches his full potential…….. a Jermicheal Finley type player that scares the hell out of DC’s. Dickson = NFL new breed TE.
yeah agreed completely
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Pitta actually ran a faster 40 at the combine.
I love Pitta. He’s one of the smoothest athletes and most natural pass-catchers I’ve seen in a draft class recently.
You saying he ran a faster 40 than Dickson at the combine, according to this link, Pitta ran a 4.68 40 time and Dickson ran a 4.59.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/history/combine/position/TE
by Raven_all_day on Jul 24, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea
I’m gonna have to agree Hawk, as far as I know Dickson had the faster forty,( taking nothing away from Pitta).
I guess you guys are right… I was watching this video the other day that said Pitta ran the faster time.
I’m guessing those were unofficial times because all official values are different than that video.
I think we will use both of them as “#2.” Pita more on 1st down, Dickerson on 3rd, and packages determine 2nd. Who do I like more? Dickerson. They are talented but, in the NFL, athletisim with skills are what you want. Dickerson is an athlete.
by Georgia Raven on Jul 23, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Dickson not Dickerson
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Apropos of this topic:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/john_lopez/07/22/tightends/index.html
NFL coaches and general managers are going into scouting meetings with simple demands: Find long, lean, 250-poundish tight ends who can sprint fast and jump.
Anyone who’s followed the NFL draft and the effectiveness of pioneering prototype tight ends like Shannon Sharpe and Tony Gonzalez should have seen the rebirth of the position coming. Witten and Gates came along in 2003. A slew of tight ends with similar builds and backgrounds have ensued. What’s more: We may be only at the dawning of the greatest era NFL tight ends have known.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
by Ampallang on Jul 23, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Kind of odd.
I do believe Pitta will end up being the better TE, but I had no idea he was so favored over Dickson.
Well I checked the page referrals for this post and the page was linked from http://www.cougarfan.com/ about 400 times. Cougar Times is a BYU site, so that is the reason it seems so lopsided right now.
figured as much
soooo many more votes than comments.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy to have Pitta, but there’s a reason we took Dickson in the 3rd. Pitta is a low-risk guy who won’t drop a lot of passes, but Dickson could be a REAL stud. I’m just not sure how much of a star Pitta could develop into.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
by jackmca on Jul 23, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is a fly in the ointment...
The lion will speak.
"My ambition is handicapped by laziness"
— Charles Bukowski
by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 23, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay now, Heap has to be one of the most over-rated TE’s of all time. If Billick threw to him a lot more (like he should have) maybe worth some of the early hype.
He had a big game against Detroit that skewed all his stats last season. Anyway, I am not sure either of these TE’s will make a difference. I’m not sure Flacco can check down from Bolden to Rice let alone Bolden to Rice to TE. What I see this year is: TE blocking 99% of the time, Bolden/Mason looks and panic dumps to Rice. The TE will be a blocker this year more than any other. May as well keep a FB in the entire game. Yeah, I’m back. I don’t make the voluntary workouts.
debbie downer
Will you actually be happy if we kick ass this year? Because we will.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Big games against bad teams skews stats? come on….. No one says anything about AP like that when he plays them Detroit twice a year.
by BmoreBlitz on Jul 23, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
raven
Ask people who have watched the camps. Cam is a big fan of 2 TE sets. You will see alot of those with Rice, and 2 WR out of Boldin, Mason, and Stallworth depending on the situation and whether they want to stretch the field, or they only need a few yards.
haha
Dumervil just got extended. Woodley must be thrilled.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Athleticism
Not sure why their continue to be conclusions that Dickson is the clear superior athlete and thus the more likely star when compared to Pitta. Someone’s straight line speed measured in a 40 yard dash outside of pad is hardly the only indicator of athleticism.
At the NFL combine, Pitta had more reps on the bench (27 to 23), had the same vertical jump (34"), and was just behind Dickson in the broad jump (9’7" to 9’5"). But Pitta was a combine top performer in the 3-cone, 20 yard shuttle, and 60 yard shuttle.
Practice thus far, and college results and film, lead to the conclusion that Pitta understands defenses better and has better hands. With no real clear cut advantage in athleticism, I think Pitta’s got to be the choice here.
I’m looking at Dickson as having bigger star potential not because of his 40 time but because of his game tape. Catches, turns upfield, and immediately starts running downhill. He transforms into a yardage machine once the ball is in his hands. Pitta seems to me to be a catch guy, but I don’t see a lot of YAC coming from him.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Pitta and YAC
Keep in mind that Pitta was BYU’s primary receiving target last season and was usually doubled (or even triple teamed int he red zone). He was also the primary 3rd down target, and was often catching an out in a seam while the double team closed on him. Because of that, his YAC opportunities were limited.
When he did get opportunities to get YAC, he made the most of it. For example, see the final drive in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7XHJ0MXxdQ&feature=related
The two biggest plays in this drive were both made by Pitta. One in which he was triple teamed and thus had no YAC, but was still athletic enough to get open even with the oklahoma players buzzing around him, the other when he could actually turn up field and showed what he could do with YAC.
Bottom line: don’t let how smooth he looks out there fool you into thinking he is slow or lacks athleticism. He has the type of athleticism which makes hard things look easy. The Ravens got a steal with this pick.
i feel what you saying but Pitta to me looks like another Heap atleast on paper. Dickson sounds to me like the next Shannon Sharpe. Alot of ppl dont get hyped on speed but in most cases speed sets players apart. If Mason was faster i bet he would get his respect.















