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Training Camp Battle: Shayne Graham vs Billy Cundiff

With only 4 days until the start of the Baltimore Ravens training camp in Westminster, Maryland we take a look at what I think will be the 5 most important position battles throughout the month. The 4th battle to pay attention to will be between kickers Shayne Graham and Billy Cundiff.

Since Baltimore has let go of Raven great Matt Stover, there has been a significant drop off in production from a position that at one time carried us to a Superbowl. The Ravens missed when they decided to make Steven Hauschka the starting kicker last year, and that decision led to much agony and even lost a game for us in Minnesota. However, the difference between the situation we were in last year and the one we are in now is that both guys have alot of experience in the NFL. Cundiff has hopped around from team to team, but was solid for the Ravens last year. Graham is the 4th most accurate kicker in league history.

Lets take a closer look at the battle between Graham and Cundiff.

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Shayne Graham - 6'0" - 205 lbs - 10 Years Experience

  • Kicking Stats
    YEAR TEAM G FGM FGA PCT 1-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ LNG XPM XPA PTS
    2001 BUF 6 6 8 75.0 0 4 0 4 0 41 7 7 25
    2002 CAR 11 13 18 72.2 1 4 3 8 2 50 21 21 60
    2003 CIN 16 22 25 88.0 0 5 10 8 2 48 40 40 106
    2004 CIN 16 27 31 87.1 0 7 12 8 4 53 41 41 122
    2005 CIN 16 28 32 87.5 0 11 11 9 1 49 47 47 131
    2006 CIN 16 25 30 83.3 0 9 9 8 4 51 40 42 115
    2007 CIN 16 31 34 91.2 1 12 13 7 1 48 37 37 130
    2008 CIN 14 21 24 87.5 1 5 7 11 0 45 15 15 78
    2009 CIN 16 23 28 82.1 0 11 10 3 4 53 28 29 97
    Career 127 196 230 85.2 3-3 64-68 67-75 53-66 9-18 53 276 279 864
  • Graham has been one of the leagues best kickers over the last 8 seasons. While in Cincinnati, he was known as someone who made kicks in the regular season, but struggled in clutch situations. Graham has been a pro bowler before and definitely still has much left as a kicker in the NFL.
  • What Graham has to do: First off, he will have to make his kicks and show us he still has a big leg Whether they come in the practices or games, Graham must show that he can indeed be a guy we can rely on to get us 3 points when they are needed most. Not only will he be needed to make the 30-40 yard kicks for us, but this team is looking for someone who can kick that ever so important 50+ yard kick where 3 points can be the difference in a game against Pittsburgh or Cincinnati.

Billy Cundiff - 6'1" - 207 lbs - 6 Years Experience

  • Kicking Stats
    YEAR TEAM G FGM FGA PCT 1-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ LNG XPM XPA PTS
    2002 DAL 16 12 19 63.2 0 3 7 8 1 48 25 25 61
    2003 DAL 15 23 29 79.3 0 11 6 7 5 52 30 31 99
    2004 DAL 16 20 26 76.9 1 6 4 13 2 49 31 31 91
    2005 DAL 6 5 8 62.5 1 1 5 0 1 56 14 14 29
    2006 NOR 5 0 1 0.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
    2009 CLE 5 6 6 100.0 1 4 1 0 0 31 4 4 22
    2009 BAL 7 12 17 70.6 0 5 7 3 2 46 19 19 55
    Career 70 78 106 73.6 3-3 30-30 21-30 20-31 4-12 56 123 124 357
  • Cundiff came into Baltimore mid-season last year and was solid for us when we were struggling at the position. Even though he did miss 5 field goals, the 7 that he did make were very big for us. Billy is perfect for his career from kicks under 30 yards, but has struggled from 40-49 and 50+ yard kicks. 
  • What Cundiff has to do: Much like Graham, Cundiff simply has to make his kicks. He has had a solid, but not great career compared to Graham. Converting only 73.6% of his kicks in his career is not exactly the greatest, but for right now he is a good stop gap. Cundiff has been all over the NFL and it might be because he does not have what it takes to make kicks in pressure situations, but he did that for us last year. Cundiff will have to continue to show that he can handle the pressure of scoring for a Superbowl contending team.

Other Kickers who could be in contention for the spot: Terrence Cody

Who wins the battle for Kicker: As good as Cundiff has been for us, I feel as if Graham is going to walk away with this. Yes, he did not help his cause with that playoff performance last year but Graham is still a very good kicker. A change of scenery might just do the job for him, especially with the motivation to prove everyone in Cincinnati wrong. The one thing that concerns me is Graham's power on kick offs, where many have said he has a hard time getting it to the endzone, but so does Cundiff. This is a very simple job to win, just make the kicks and that person will be the kicker for the Ravens in 2010.

Poll
Who will win the battle for the Ravens kicker position?
Billy Cundiff
49 votes
Shayne Graham
191 votes

240 votes | Poll has closed

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Jon Gruden’s advice: Draft a kicker in the first round.

by BmoreBlitz on Jul 21, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

i feel like that may have been an Al Davis move…

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Jul 21, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

can’t imagine being a coach and having to take one like that from the owner. You have this draft board full of guys you want in the first, and word comes down from on high, “Take Janikowski.” Amazing.

I like the Bill Simmons theory that Al Davis is actually dead and his handlers have been parading his dressed up corpse around so that they can actually make smart football decisions before anyone else finds out. How else can you explain their logical draft strategy and cutting JaMarcus Russell?

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Jul 21, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, “Take Janikowski,” (Gruden then hears a snickering laugh from behind the curtains).

That’d make an entertaining spinoff/sequel to Weekend at Bernie’s. Sunday at Al’s. Stifler from American Wedding could be the lead. Stifler (pretending to be Al): Hey Raider cheerleaders! Show me your boobies!

I’d watch just for that. California girls are hot!

/leaves dream world, goes back to work

by BmoreBlitz on Jul 21, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

What if we used Cody on kickoffs?

i think we’d probably wear him down too fast…

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Jul 21, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, on his sprint to the kickoff itself, hahaha...

Forget coverage.

"My ambition is handicapped by laziness"
— Charles Bukowski

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jul 21, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cody: Hey guys, I’ll just wait here and stop him with my gut if he gets this far.

by BmoreBlitz on Jul 21, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he actually made down the field, the poor ball-carrier would wish he didn’t. That much weight moving at speed just isn’t natural.

by BAL_Hawk on Jul 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I rather use Cody as the gunner on punts.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 21, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That made me laugh. Nice mental image there.

by BAL_Hawk on Jul 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

cannot believe graham is winning this poll so handily. why? better the devil you know than the devil you dont know

by Rayisyourdaddy on Jul 21, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I Voted for Graham

Because I think he is going to win the job, but I want Cundiff to win it. In golf, you “drive for show, putt for dough” -Cundiff “putts for dough”. He may brain-farq at times -usually during non-pressure kicks, but when the game was on the line last year, Cundiff was money, Graham was not. I’m sorry, Graham may have the stronger leg, but with three seconds left and the ball on the opponents 24 yard line, down by two, who do you want kicking? Graham or Cundiff? I’ll take Cundiff ever time over Graham.

The only style difference between Cundiff and Stover was that Stover pretty much made every kick under forty yards -no matter the situation; Cundiff would occasionally fly to Mars for the non-pressure under forty kicks (and Stover did it for a heck of a lot longer than Cundiff also -not disparaging or disrespecting Stover at all by comparing Cundiff to him).

by vlad755 on Jul 21, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

It is a tough battle to gauge, but Graham just has such a better resume than Cundiff and that will most likely mean longer and more accurate kicks. There is a reason Cundiff has bounced around the NFL while Graham has had a rather stable career.

Like I said above, it is an easy battle to win, just make your kicks. Whoever does that the most will be our kicker in 2010.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 21, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I remember from Graham was choking vs the Jets in the playoffs.

"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 21, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I voted for Graham. I just like his face…

by BAL_Hawk on Jul 21, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

The face of a winner.

by BAL_Hawk on Jul 21, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looks like the lead singer for Rascal Flats.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 21, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a good thing… right?

by BAL_Hawk on Jul 21, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not at all

That means in his free time he likes to write shitty songs.

"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me

by Zachary Beard on Jul 22, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on

Rascal Flats is the greatest band since Nickelback came out. Incredible. I’m going to start an SB Nation blog about them.

"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Jul 23, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Outside of maybe a song here or there, I don’t really get down on Country music. But, I do hear that Rascal Flats is one of the very, very few Country acts that actually play their own instruments in the studio, which is something that I can at least respect.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jul 23, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Feels like today” was a rather good cd.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 23, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where the heck

is his right eye looking?

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 21, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ack!

It’s Marty Feldman’s evil cousin-!

“Abby someone… Abby Normal…”

“Walk this way”

by vlad755 on Jul 21, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say we beg the colts for Stover

That way we don’t have to gamble on the ginger.

"Modesty goes a long way, but confidence goes farther" -Me

by Zachary Beard on Jul 22, 2010 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

But with Stover, we are punting on the 32 yard line.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 22, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

32?

I think you are being too generous… More like 27 or 28…

by vlad755 on Jul 23, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, definitely. I don’t think Stover can make anything over 45 anymore.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 23, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I’d love for Stover to make 50% of his kicks in the Super Bowl for us. I mean, it worked so well for the Colts.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jul 23, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good one

I would not want Stover this upcoming year, even if we could have him. I actually think hes available and would play in Baltimore if asked, but the Ravens won’t. We have two really talented kickers coming into camp who have shown flashes of greatness, but haven’t been able to put it all together. I think whoever wins the battle will do a good job for us in 2010, and hopefully become entrenched as our kicker for the next 5+ years. Second chances at kicking for a contending team don’t come around too often. Lets see one of these guys seize the opportunity.

by DT711 on Jul 24, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

as a bengals fan (terrible greeting, i know), i can tell you that you’re going to be disappointed if you’re actually looking for shayne graham to provide a big leg. his kickoffs tended to be average at best, and he was a crapshoot from over 50 yards. a lot of his problems last year arose from brad st. louis getting a monumental case of the yips, and i guess it’s kind of hard to focus on kicking if you’re not sure the ball will be there. if you’re looking for someone who, at least in the majority of regular season games, will be automatic from 49 and in, then shayne graham is your guy. but i will warn you: recent history has proven that he seems to be unable to connect on field goals in the red zone during playoff games.

i'm going to go america all over your ass!

by Raging Clue on Jul 26, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

That is what

Really scares me. I had a previous post about the Ravens, just inside the thirty, down by two, fourth down with three seconds left; and out trots Graham…

I have never been one of those types to “not watch” or rub a lucky rabbits foot, but I may change this year…

by vlad755 on Jul 30, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

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