Joe Flacco vs Matt Ryan (Updated & Extended)
Forever these two young amazing quarterbacks will be linked together as they were both drafted in the 2008 NFL draft in the first round. "Matty Ice" Ryan was picked 3rd and "Joe Cool" Flacco was selected 18th. Both started their rookie campaigns at the helm of their team’s offense on the field. Though Ryan was touted as the better quarterback coming from the ACC and Flacco was considered a project from a minor college in Delaware, who turned out to be the better quarterback sofar?
Lets take a look and see how both have fared sofar in their 1st and 2nd year:
Joe Flacco Beats Matt Ryan Soundly
It has become clear after two years that the Ravens made the right choice. Even if it wasn’t their first choice, as it became clear that Ozzie tried to find a way to trade himself into one of the top 3 draft spots to select Matt Ryan. When those plans failed, Ozzie was no less excited about Joe Flacco. The kid with a rocket for an arm, a humble attitude and a proven winner. After trading back down and then back up Joe Flacco was selected and Baltimore erupted.
At the beginning of the year, everyone had hoped Flacco would immediately take over, but having come from a smaller college and still learning on the job, he became the 3rd string quarterback behind Kyle Boller and Heismann Trophy winner Troy Smith.
Due to unfortunate events for both Kyle (shoulder injury) and Troy (infection & illness) Joe Flacco became the starter by default. Neither Kyle or Troy started a game since. Kyle has since moved on to play for the St. Louis Rams and Troy has actively sought a trade. It seems that Flacco took the reigns firmly in hand and has no plans on letting go for a while. In his first season he took the Baltimore Ravens to the AFC Championship game where a costly interception after a boneheaded special teams play cost them a trip to the Super Bowl. He became the first rookie quarterback (with a rookie headcoach) to win 2 playoff games on the road. In his second year, he played through several ailing injuries to his leg and ankle as well as the standard bruises to his upperbody, but still managed to go to the playoffs where they firmly dismantled a proud New England franchise 33-14 before laying another egg against the hated Indianapolis Colts.
Matt Ryan on the other hand came into the Atlanta Falcons franchise as the hope for a better future, after Michael Vick has disgraced the franchise with an illegal dog fighting ring and the inhumane treatment of those dogs. It didn’t take him very long to make a mark for himself and create a jumpstart for this team as the new leader by throwing a 62-yard touchdown pass on his very first official regular season NFL pass. A fresh start was just what this team needed as Matt Ryan took his team to the playoffs as well as winning the Rookie Offensive Player of the Year Award. Unfortunately they fell to the Arizona Cardinals in the wildcard playoff round. After being eliminated for playoff contention in week 15 of the 2009 season, a 9-7 record presented the Falcons with their first back-to-back winning seasons in franchise history.
Conclusion:
Both of these quarterbacks are franchise players. They make it much easier for the GM’s to build a team around them. To me it seems that Joe Flacco is going to the next level with help from his new quartersbacks coach Jim Zorn and continue his path to greatness. Matt Ryan on the other hand has to show that last year was a sophomore slump by taking his next step and improving on his numbers from his rookie season. Because even though Joe Flacco was considered being in a sophomore slump last year, he still improved in nearly every important category.
That is the difference for me choosing "Joe Cool" Flacco as the better quarterback. Congrats Joe!
Joe Flacco pwns Matt Ryan
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I don’t think there should really be any argument with this. Joe has done better over 2 years with an inferior WR group while Ryan has had one of the best WR/TE groups in the league since coming into the league. Add on top of that 3 road playoff victories, putting up better numbers with twice as many sacks and the fact that he played with basically one leg last year……………Joe > Matty “Melted Ice”.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
ravens fans have to be very satisfied with flacco. he's made a good showing for himself especially in his 2nd year.
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I think it is already safe to say that he is the greatest QB the Ravens have ever had. He has done things that has never been done by a rookie and his first two years are comparable if not better than some of the greatest of all times. I think he has thrown for the 5th or so most yards in league history for a QB’s first two years. That is pretty incredible to go along with 3 road playoff victories. His game is only going to elevate each year until we are winning Superbowls (this year).
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
that isn't saying much
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jun 29, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But I agree
and I always thought of Ryan as better than Flacco, but the number do say different. I will say this though, Ravens D > Atlanta’s D. That helps flacco win games, won’t hold that against him though.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jun 29, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
But Atlanta’s WR >>>>> Ravens WR in the first two years.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Agreed
But judging from these stats Flacco has done better in yards. Ryan being better is merely a perception thing.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jun 29, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s all cause he was draft higher, but in the end Flacco has been more successful.
"However, the true greatness of the Ravens’ line lies in their malevolence, led by right end Haloti Ngata. Simply put, Ngata can’t be blocked by mere mortals. He is not a product of the human species. He is really a creation of a building contractor, made of cinderblocks and some type of flesh-like covering. Throw in Kelly Gregg at nose tackle and behemoth rookie Terrence Cody and you have something truly frightening."
Flacco also has more yards in large part because Ryan missed games in 2009. Flacco has yet to miss a start.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Sucks for Ryan. Don’t be a baby.
"However, the true greatness of the Ravens’ line lies in their malevolence, led by right end Haloti Ngata. Simply put, Ngata can’t be blocked by mere mortals. He is not a product of the human species. He is really a creation of a building contractor, made of cinderblocks and some type of flesh-like covering. Throw in Kelly Gregg at nose tackle and behemoth rookie Terrence Cody and you have something truly frightening."
my Marine Force Recon cousin would say, “YCBAPAYL.”
You Can’t Be A Pussy All Your Life.
This has recently become my new philosophy on everything that involves pain.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Yea, Matty loves it from behind.
"However, the true greatness of the Ravens’ line lies in their malevolence, led by right end Haloti Ngata. Simply put, Ngata can’t be blocked by mere mortals. He is not a product of the human species. He is really a creation of a building contractor, made of cinderblocks and some type of flesh-like covering. Throw in Kelly Gregg at nose tackle and behemoth rookie Terrence Cody and you have something truly frightening."
Haven't we already been over this discussion?
"All those who look down on me, I'm tearing down your balcony." -Eminem
I am new to Camden Chat
so I didn’t know someone had already compared Joe to Matt 2 years later. Please show me that thread so I can place my comments there. Much appreciated
If you are not fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with enthusiasm - Vince Lombardi
Camden Chat? Lol.
You can look at this post which is still on the front page of fan posts.
http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2010/6/22/1529646/flacco-hate-from-falcons
Or here is the original article over at the ATL blog we used as well to debate this.
http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2010/6/21/1527817/anybody-else-hate-the-ravens
No worries, can never have enough posts discussing why Joe is the man.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
no problem buddy
everybody here likes Flacco. You COULD go post this over on the Falcoholic though… hehehe
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
i should
but i hate the 1 day waiting time. seems rather unnecessary if i have something to say now
If you are not fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with enthusiasm - Vince Lombardi
I took away the website link
and instead added the rest of the article
If you are not fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with enthusiasm - Vince Lombardi
Hello, I come in peace. It may be helpful to include the 300-yard differential in sack yardage, which would give Ryan more total yards in two fewer games.
Throwing the ball away — thus lowering completion % and thereby failing to impress stat bros — also saves sack yardage and keeps drives alive. Does this ignore the effect of offensive line play on a QB’s effectiveness? Sure it does. Which is why using nothing but stats to compare two players with different teams and schedules is insufficient :)
Another stat we can debate the worth of: Ryan’s never lost a game in which his defense has allowed 20 or fewer points. Flacco has lost five.
Like Flacco, Ryan also played through at least two injuries last year, and I think many of you have greatly overrated Atlanta’s receivers. Roddy is very good, but not elite — FO and PFF say Derrick Mason was better in ‘09 (grain of salt, but Mason did have almost as many yards in many fewer targets). Tony Gonzalez is great, but FO and PFF say Todd Heap was better last year. Ray Rice is also much more of a receiving factor than all of Atlanta’s running backs combined, and may be the league’s best receiving back. Huge advantage for Flacco — imagine if Ryan could dump off to Ray Rice instead of Jason Snelling (Ravens fans say, “WHO?”). (I mention both FO and PFF since the two rating sites use very, very different methodologies — one uses math, the other uses eyeballs — and both came to the same debatable conclusions.)
Disclaimer: I, and almost all other Falcons fans, believe Joe Flacco is a tremendous quarterback with many Pro Bowls ahead of him. I, and almost all other Falcons fans, respect the Ravens team and organization with all my might and soul.
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"However, the true greatness of the Ravens’ line lies in their malevolence, led by right end Haloti Ngata. Simply put, Ngata can’t be blocked by mere mortals. He is not a product of the human species. He is really a creation of a building contractor, made of cinderblocks and some type of flesh-like covering. Throw in Kelly Gregg at nose tackle and behemoth rookie Terrence Cody and you have something truly frightening."
still,
he threw more interceptions in fewer games, Flacco played through his injuries. Also Flacco really was a non factor in the Patriots game therefor making the only difference 1 game.
Also a big factor is that Matt Ryan was for sure ready to go package @ 3. Flacco @ 18 came from DELAWARE and a project starting as a third string.
Everyone claimed how much better Matt Ryan is, all this was showing was that they are both franchise quarterbacks as I mentioned twice.
Also the fact that Matt Ryan was sacked half as much with half as much yards shows the protection he enjoyed opposite of Joe Flacco.
This post was in no way to dismiss the awesome qualities Matt Ryan has, but he did take a step back. It was merely to put hope into the hearts of Ravens fans.
If you are not fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with enthusiasm - Vince Lombardi
Or
to just say that Flacco is about on par with Ryan, which we don’t know exactly what that means yeat ;) sorry had to put that out there
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jun 30, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I would say.
Flacco and Ryan have both accomplished alot for young quarterbacks. Ryan has had better receivers, and Flacco has had a better defense. Both have bright futures and will play in the league for a long time. I’d take Flacco every time, but I’m sure Falcons’ fans would take Ryan. Ultimately, they are so close that it comes dome to opinion.
but from this point on, Flacco’s receivers are definitely better. I’m not sure Roddy White is even as good as Boldin, and as the ATL fan above mentioned, you can make the case that he’s not as good as Mason either.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Well
Hold your horses. Just looked at his stats.
Roddy White has had 3 consecutive 1,000 yard receiving seasons and his TDs has only increased each season. I’d put him on par with Boldin right now. I mean their numbers are similar with White having more recent success but boldin has been consistent for longer, which of course he is a year older. I’d also put him on par with Mason, since Boldin and Mason are the same player imho.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jul 1, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
ok sure
but what i’m saying is that Flacco’s receivers, as a whole, are at this point better than Ryan’s
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I would say that right now White is more dangerous than Boldin because he has the ability to beat the CB deep everytime with his speed, but both are great WR.
"However, the true greatness of the Ravens’ line lies in their malevolence, led by right end Haloti Ngata. Simply put, Ngata can’t be blocked by mere mortals. He is not a product of the human species. He is really a creation of a building contractor, made of cinderblocks and some type of flesh-like covering. Throw in Kelly Gregg at nose tackle and behemoth rookie Terrence Cody and you have something truly frightening."
yep
agreed
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jul 2, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with the "On Par" side of things...
I actually wasn’t aware of the exact similarities between the two, and the areas Flacco is ahead. I’m going to wait another 2 years to really look at the two side-by-side, let the body of work shake itself out.
Flacco, though, does have the playoff pedigree at this point. Unless you want to make the argument he was a good game manager who rode his defense deep into the playoffs. It was his mistake, after all, and not the defenses, that cost them in that AFCCG….
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron
flaccenstien cant escape a sack or read blitzes worth poo. my qb depth chart is bulger, beck, troy, flaccenstein.
I like that you have Beck ahead of Smith.
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I don’t…
"However, the true greatness of the Ravens’ line lies in their malevolence, led by right end Haloti Ngata. Simply put, Ngata can’t be blocked by mere mortals. He is not a product of the human species. He is really a creation of a building contractor, made of cinderblocks and some type of flesh-like covering. Throw in Kelly Gregg at nose tackle and behemoth rookie Terrence Cody and you have something truly frightening."
when would be a good
time to post part 2. I don’t want to flood the forum
If you are not fired with enthusiasm, you'll be fired with enthusiasm - Vince Lombardi
Wow...
In that picture, Flacco seriously looks like Adam Corolla from “Loveline”….uncanny!
"Troy just made that guy look like a ham sandwich!" - Myron

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