Analyzing the Jets and Ravens: Who is Better?
The pre-season doesn't begin until August, but with the draft over and with most free agents signed, many have begun to rank the teams for this season. And many analysts, even Madden, have put the Baltimore Ravens just ahead of the New York Jets, despite the Jets making it to the AFC Championship game, having the highest ranked defense, and having an explosive offseason. However, the Ravens are a very good team, with a top ten ranked offense (Jets ranked 17th), a solid defense, and with great acquisitions of their own. Both teams play very similar styles, and of course former Ravens Defensive Coordinator, Rex Ryan, is the head coach for the Jets, so that is a big reason to why. This should be very interesting to disect both teams, position by position, to decide who is the better one. Hopefully this will help you decide before the two face off in Week 1 on Monday Night Football.


Quarterbacks - Mark Sanchez vs Joe Flacco
Right away, most would say Flacco would win this bout easily; Sanchez threw 12 TD's and 20 INT's and posted a 63 QB rating, while Flacco threw 21 TD's and only 12 INT's with a 88.9 rating. Yet, I'd argue that this battle is much closer than you might expect. The Sanchise did go through growing pains (and boy, did they hurt sometimes) in his rookie season, but he did turn it on when it was crucial for the Jets when it came to the postseason; he threw 4 TD's and 2 INT's, where one was an 80-yard pass to Braylon Edwards in the AFC Championship Game. The Sanchise was great when they most needed him to be and the Jets saw him mature in front of their own eyes. Joe Cool had a great sophomore season last year, but struggled in the playoffs throwing 0 TD's and 3 INT's. Sanchez did, however, have knee surgery during the offseason, but does appear to have successfully recovered. I would expect a jump in his numbers because he now has one year under his belt, and with Braylon and new race car Santonio Holmes, as well as LaDainian Tomlinson and Joe McKnight to throw to out of the backfield. Let's not forget about Flacco, who now has Anquan Boldin and Donte Stallworth to pass to. Both QB's should have a more productive year this year than last.
Edge Goes to: Ravens
In the end, Flacco does have a stronger arm and more experience. He has shown he can be a top QB in the NFL. But Sanchez isn't that far off; he doesn't have as strong of an arm, but has a more accurate one and can throw on the run extremely well, and could be a top QB one day, too.
Receivers -
Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Jerricho Cotchery, Dustin Keller
vs
Anquan Boldin, Derrick Mason, Donte Stallworth, Todd Heap
This comparison is just as close as the first one. The Ravens know Santonio all too well, and know how dangerous and versatile he can be. Holmes had 8 TD's and averaged 74.3 yards per game over the last 7 games against Baltimore. And everyone knows about his hands and footwork. But the argument is whether 16 games of Anquan Boldin is better than 12 games of Santonio Holmes. Holmes has been given a four-game suspension by the league for violating the substance policy. Boldin has great hands as well and is equally tough as Holmes. If there was no suspension, Holmes would get my vote, but since this is reality, Boldin wins this match up.
Next is Edwards and Mason. Edwards now has had a year to work with Brian Schottenheimer and Sanchez and is expected to have a breakout season, especially when he is the number two receiver. Mason last year was Flacco's besttarget with 73 receptions for 1028 yards and 7 TD's. But Mason is already 36 and not getting any younger. It isn't known if he can keep up with the rest of the league and can stay injury-free, but has been able to do so so far in his career. Braylon has been known to drop passes, but is still a Pro Bowl receiver who is a deep threat. Braylon wins this one. Besides, his hands can't be this bad.
Third is Cotchery and Stallworth. Both will presumably be the third string wide receiver, yet I believe Cotchery has a big advantage over Stallworth. Jerricho entered last year as the Jets'numberone receiver, and finished last year with 57 catches for 821 yards and 3 TD's. He is known for his sure-handedness and his reliability. Plus, Stallworth has been out of football for a year, and he has had a lot on his mind since the incident. Even before that, Cotchery is a better receiver than Stallworth.
Finally, the tight end bout begins. Up-and-coming star tight end Dustin Keller has been impressive since being drafted in 2008. He has shown his breakaway speed, his great hands, and his ability to run routes well. Last year, Keller had 5 TD's (3 in postseason). Todd Heap has shown he can be a consistent target as well be able to block very well. Last year he had 6 TD's. This one is hard to decide which end is going to be better, so I'll just say that Keller wins the receiving half, but Heap wins when it comes to being a traditional blocking tight end.
Edge Goes to: Jets
While Holmes is suspended for four games, the other Jets' receivers are all-around better than the Ravens'. Other than Edwards, the Jets' receivers are very consistent. Also, the four mentioned Jets all have playmaking ability. Boldin is a great receiver, but it will be interesting to see how he'll do without defenses worrying about Larry Fitzgerald instead. And Mason did have some costly drops last season. Additionally, while Heap is all around better right now, Keller is a better receiving option and a better playmaker, too. Although, I would give Mark Clayton the edge over David Clowney.
Runningbacks -
Shonn Greene, LaDainian Tomlinson, Joe McKnight, Tony Richardson
vs
Ray Rice, Willis McGahee, Jalen Parmele, LeRon McClain
Last season, both teams relied on the run for offense. Both teams finished the season ranking in the top five rushing teams. The Jets may have taken a hit when they let Thomas Jones go and trading away Leon Washington after last year. But they did sign LT and draft USC back Joe McKnight. Both will help both the pass and run game, but LT is getting older and last year looked it. Personally, I think that it was in part due to a weaker O-line and that the Chargers began passing more. McKnight the rookie may be used sparingly this year so it's hard to tell whether or not he'll have an impact this year. The Jets do, however, have one of the best fullbacks of all time in Tony Richardson. T-Rich showed he could lead block for several backs last year, including Shonn Greene. And Greene had a terrific postseason last year, exploding for big runs and scores (304 yards and 2 TD's in 3 games).
Ray Rice also had an explosive postseason, mainly against the Patriots, with 226 yards and 2 TD's in 2 games. Rice can catch the ball, too; he had 702 yards and 1 TD in addition to his 1,339 and 7 TD's rushing. McGahee was their Red Zone and goal line back last year and totaled 14 TD's. The two backs make for a strong duo in the backfield. Let's not forget Pro Bowl fullback LeRon McClain. He has been a very good lead blocker and pass blocker, plus he can run and catch the ball also. Jalen Parmele is young and can develop into a decent back, especially since most of the league has evolved into using two or three backs in a game.
Edge Goes to: Ravens
Ray Rice is certainly one of the tops backs in this league right now and McGahee is very good goal line back who will continue to pile up TD's. Parmele was a non-factor last year, but could be used more. And McClain could be the best overall fullback in football currently. The Jets do have a great running game as well, but I want to wait and see on what Greene can do for a full season as the feature back. And LT does have a chip on his shoulder, but he has to prove he still belongs here first. I think LT will have a nice season, but don't expect the LT from 2006. McKnight will be used, but is still a raw talent who could learn and grow from learning from LT and the great Tony Richarson.
O-Line -
D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Vladimir Ducasse/Matt Slauson, Nick Mangold, Brandon Moore, Damien Woody
vs
Jared Gaither, Ben Grubbs, Matt Birk, Marshal Yanda, Michael Oher
Moving on to the big men up front, and boththe Jets and Ravens have top talent there. The Jets have Pro Bowlers at three of the five spots with Mangold, Ferguson, and Woody; and Brandon Moore is considered to be a top guard in the league as well. The Ravens have six-time Pro Bowler Matt Birk at center, with young, but promising tackles Oher and Gaither. Grubbs is coming along as well, but probably won't be as good as the aforementioned two. The Jets, however, released All-Decade guard Alan Faneca during the offseason and have left either young Matt Slauson or rookie Vlad Ducasse to win Faneca's spot. Both are unknown factors and are considered to be the weakpointof the line for the Jets. The Ravens have a solid line as well, and with the blocking ability of Todd Heap, they get a boost there. Yet, the Jets O-line provedto be one of the best last year, where the Jets allowed only 53 QB hits, where Baltimore let up 72. The Jets' line also led the way for the rushing attack, which earned 172.2 yards per game (first in 2009-10). The Ravens finished fifth in that category with 137.5 yards per game.
Edge Goes to: Jets
Despite the loss of the great Alan Faneca, the Jets' line has better veterans. While the Ravens have Gaither and Oher, D'Brickashaw is already considered one of the best left tackles in football. And even though Matt Birk has been great, Mangold is easily the best center in the NFL, thanks to the help of ex-Jet Kevin Mawae. Don't get me wrong, both lines are top notch, but the Jets' line is just a little better.
D-Line -
Kris Jenkins, Shaun Ellis, Vernon Gholston, Mike Devito, Sione Pouha
vs
Kelly Gregg, Haloti Ngata, Trevor Pryce, Terrence Cody
There are more linemen than the nine mentioned above, but it is unclear how everyone on both teams will be rotated, including Cory Redding and Jason Taylor. After Big Jenks, the Jets don't have many big time pass-rushing linemen, just great schemes from head coach Rex Ryan. Vernon Gholston has switched to DE for this, likely his last chance to succeed with Jets. If he can do well, he can greatly boost the Jets' number one defense. Now, the Ravens. Ngata and Pryce have been big for the Ravens the past few years, each becoming Pro Bowlers. Pryce had 26 sacks in his four years with the Ravens. Ngata has been one of the most dominant defensive tackles in the NFL piling up tackles and stopping the run; now, he has been converted to defensive end and should get more sacks as a result.
Edge Goes to: Ravens
Ngata and Pryce make for a powerful force at the end positions. They should both have great years, despite Haloti's pectoral injury. Kelly Gregg is consistent and Terrence Cody may not play much this year, but can be effective because of his size when he does. The Jets have no one that really impresses me, other than Jenkins, but do have Rex's schemes which make their line as formidable as any other in the league. However, the Ravens' line is still better.
Linebackers -
Bart Scott, David Harris, Calvin Pace, Jason Taylor, Bryan Thomas
vs
Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Tavares Gooden, Jarret Johnson, Sergio Kindle
Now this match up is very interesting. Former Raven Bart Scott has taken command in the locker room as well as on the field for the Jets. Because of his willingness to take hits for the team and to take out blockers, he helped propel David Harris to his breakout season last year (127 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 2 INT's, and 2 forced fumbles). They call themselves "The Odd Couple" because of their off-the-field nature, yet both work together extremely well. They could possibly be the best MLB tandem in the NFL right now. Next, Calvin Pace had a four game suspension last year, yet still managed to get 8 sacks. This year, he should be able to gather double-digit sacks. And all-time great Jason Taylor and Bryan Thomas will be sharing time at LOLB; Taylor should see a good amount of time at LB and DE and should get a good amount of sacks himself, but Thomas can cover tight ends and backs and is better at guarding against the pass.
Ray Lewis is one of the greatest linebackers of all time and still is one of the best in the NFL today. And while he takes the attention of the offense, Terrell Suggs will spin his way to the QB. But last year, he only totaled 4.5 sacks in 13 games. On the left side, Jarret Johnson had 6 sacks last year. Ray-Ray's 3-4 partner, Tavares Gooden, only had 47 tackles with 0 sacks. After Lewis, there is a big drop-off in talent; Suggs can be great, but was very incosistentin getting to the QB last year. But rookie Sergio Kindle could get an opportunity to rotate with Johnson, and we can see if the second-rounder can be productive.
Edge Goes to: Jets
Despite having Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs, the Ravens' linebacking core is weaker. Ray Lewis is better than Scott and probably Harris, but Gooden is a huge drop-off from there. And Suggs does have a slight edge on Pace, if he can remain consistent, but JT and Thomas are better than Johnson. And it's too soon to see what Kindle will do.
Secondary -
Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Kyle Wilson, Jim Leonhard, Brodney Pool
vs
Fabian Washington, Domonique Foxworth, Lardarius Webb, Dawan Landry, Ed Reed
This one isn't nearly as close as you might think. Darrelle Revis is on a completely different level from any other corner currently in the NFL. With comparisons to the likes of Deon Sanders and the ability to shut down any receiver in the NFL, as well as be a playmakeron defense, he is an incredible talent. With the addition of Cromartiefrom the Chargers, the Jets secondary took a huge leap forward, the year after it was by the best in the NFL (153.7 yards per game, over 30 yards less than second least). Kyle Wilson is already considered one of the best corners from this past draft, and would play in nickel and dime packages. Jim Leonhard, as both Raven and Jet fans know, is very tough and is a leader on defense. He can blitz, stop the run, and still play the pass. Brodney Pool could be the most underrated acquistion by the Jets in the offseason; he had 7 INT's over the last 2 seasons despite being injured both years.
Ed Reed could be the greatest free safety in NFL history, but he has had injury issues of his own. Landry has been solid since regaining his job from Leonhard and did have 4 INT's last year opposite Reed. After that, their secondary is a little shaky; their top four corners only had a combined 6 INT's (as many as Revis alone). They have no shut down or real number one corner as of right now. But don't get me wrong, the corners they have, including new addition Ken Hamlin, are all solid, just not outstanding players.
Edge Goes to: Jets
Darrelle Revis is just too good right now to not give the Jets the edge here. That's not even considering Cromartie or Wilson. The Jets' corners are superior to the Ravens', but the Ravens do have the edge at safety if Reed stays healthy. In the end, the Jets' secondary with Rex Ryan's schemes is the best in football.
Special Teams -
Kyle Wilson, Brad Smith, Nick Folk, Steve Weatherford
vs
Chris Carr, Lardarius Webb, Billy Cundiff/Shayne Graham, Sam Koch
Rex has already said that Kyle Wilson will enter the season as the starting punt returner. At Boise State, he was considered to be one of the best returnmen with explosive speed and toughness. Carr is also a tough, solid returner, but hasn't been as explosive. It's hard to translate from college to the pros, but Carr hasn't had a return TD in his five-year career. Brad Smith and Webb both showed explosive speed in the return game. Webb averaged 26.2 yards per return with one TD. Smith averaged 31.0 yards per return, including a 106 yard TD. Nick Folk was released by the Cowboys last year because of his inconsistency, while Shayne Graham was great all year, until the playoffs. Weatherford averaged 42.0 yards per punt and Koch averaged 43.7 yards per punt, but Weatherford can do trick plays because of his athleticism.
Edge Goes to: Neither
With playmakers all over the special teams, it's hard to not give this one to the Jets. But Folk can really bring the ST down; Graham and Cundiff are both more consistent than Folk. It's hard to tell who really is better at punter, but frankly, who really cares? Koch is probably a little better, but Weatherford can run trick plays well. And Wilson is an unknown commodity now, so maybe Carr has the edge there. It's pretty even if you ask me.
And, yes, the Jets did make it to the Championship game versus the Colts, but the team the Ravens lost to was the Colts as well. Maybe the teams are far more equal than anyone would've thought. But, in the end, it's up to you to decide who you believe is better. I've given my opinion, but now you pick who you think will be better this year. I am also posting this on Gang Green Nation if you want to see the Jets' fans' perspectives.
The opinions posted here are those of the administrator of this blog and his loyal readers. They are in no way official comments from the team, and should not be misconstued as such, even though he thinks he could do just as well or even a better job!
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Great Article
But I’m going with Ravens.
Bringing Baltimore Beatdown "Create a Caption" for 10 weeks and counting.
Substitute Dannell Ellerbe for Gooden and the advantage goes to the Ravens. Gooden is not our starter.
How is WR edge go to the Jets? It should at least be a tie and many more people will take the Ravens over the Jets WR, I can tell you that much. Braylon is not nearly as productive as Mason is and Boldin is on a different level than Holmes. He is even missing 4 games.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
And you must not watch alot of Ravens football. You can ask everybody here and most of us will say that Jarrett Johnson was our best defensive player last year. I don’t think your LB group is even close to ours. Jason Taylor is no where near as good as Johnson is.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Numbers never tell the entire story
so don’t go basing a player’s level on purely stats.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jun 21, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And if Jarret Johnson was the Ravens’ best player on defense last year, no wonder the Ravens got eliminated by the Colts after such a strong showing against the Pats.
wait i thought you lost to the colts too
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
No, the Jets did (still trying to stay objective here). And they did because of their lack of depth in the secondary. All I’m saying here is that there was no way in Hell that Jarret Johnson was the Ravens’ best defensive player. If that were the case, the Ravens wouldn’t be a top team. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed and all the usual suspects were far better than JJ.
I agree that JJ is in no way our best defensive player. That easily goes to Ray Lewis. but apart from Lewis, one could make the case that JJ was the 2nd best.
And I like Calvin Pace too but the stats don’t show you how well JJ plays in space defending the pass. Still, you can reasonably argue Pace is better I think. I don’t agree, but you can argue that.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
In that case, JJ is good in his own way, and Pace is good in another way. Maybe this is why this topic has been so debated, because these two teams are equals.
JJ ....
had a better overall season than Bart Scott did last year! Scott tailed of majorly over the year. Johnson was are best player last year, and that was a good thing, as he was all over the field and made up for us having to let Scott walk…
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jun 22, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If you look at one of my comments below, I said that Jarrett Johnson was our most reliable defensive player last year besides Ray Lewis. Johnson did not put up insane stats, but he had stats in all areas including tackles, sacks and interceptions. JJ is a game changer on our defense, you just don’t realize it because you are not a Ravens fan.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Hard to say who is better and how ood they are
Look how good Ray made Bart look in baltimore and now Scott is not even the best LB on the Jets (Harris is much better). Ray just makes other players around him so much better and other fans never seem to see anyone other than Ray (or Ed).
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by Bruce Raffel on Jun 21, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And Holmes won't be there against the Ravens
Which is really the only Jets game I care about. Edwards has brick hands, so actually our CBs will manhandle your WRs. I say Ravens win 27-10
Bringing Baltimore Beatdown "Create a Caption" for 10 weeks and counting.
by Zachary Beard on Jun 20, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no, I know that. I gave Anquan Boldin the edge because of that, and this is more of a preview for the entire season rather than just Week 1.
We only care about beating them in week one
and then when we meet again in the playoffs in Baltimore, we’ll roll again.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jun 21, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, this guy is obviously a Jets fan and hasn’t watched much Raven football, but I do agree on most points. I disagree about the linebackers and receivers too. I think that the Ravens linebackers are clearly better than the Jets linebackers…
Ray Lewis > David Harris
Dannell Ellerbe < Bart Scott
Terrell Suggs > Calvin Pace
Jarrett Johnson > Jason Taylor
Their inside backers may be collectively better, but the Ray Lewis is still individually better than either Harris or Scott. The Ravens’ outside backers are much, much better than the Jets outside backers. In fact, the Jets’ outside linebackers are their biggest weakness on defense in my opinion and a reason that they may struggle in the future. How can you be a consistent 3-4 defense with average outside linebackers?
The Ravens’ wide receivers are also better…
Anquan Boldin > Santonio Holmes
Derrick Mason > Braylon Edwards
Donte Stallworth < Jericho Cotchery
Todd Heap = Dustin Keller
Boldin is better than Holmes. Holmes is a good receiver, but he’s not a dominate presence like Boldin. He also hasn’t had the production that Boldin has had. I suppose it can be argued that Holmes does some things better than Boldin, but when you consider their talent and whole body of work last season, you must give the edge to Boldin. Mason is also better than Edwards. Sure, he may only have one season left but is still a better receiver right now. Just look at the production that Mason has had over the last two seasons with Flacco. For whatever reason, Edwards has never been able to pull everything together, not even with Sanchez. Edwards may be a better receiver in Madden (speed, acceleration), but in real life, Mason is clearly better. Cotchery is a more proven receiver than Stallworth. I think that Stallworth has more upside, but you have to give the edge to Cotchery, who is one of the league’s best third receivers. It would be unfair to give Stallworth the edge. Heap versus Keller is a toss-up. I would take Heap as the complete tight end, but Keller adds so much in the passing game that I cannot give the nod to Heap outright.
Since they lost Faneca, the offensive line is also a toss-up.
Definitely agree. Anyone that argues that Jason Taylor is better than Jarrett is clueless. This guy is turning into one of the best OLB in the league and I am pretty sure that everyone here would agree he was our most reliable defender last year besides Ray.
Ellerbe is turning into our next Bart Scott, this guy is for real. I saw him at a restaurant about a week ago and he is about 6’ and a giant ball of muscle. He reminds me of Gary Brackett somewhat.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
And untill he plays like Scott or Brackett, I won’t put him ahead of the others. He did only have 41 tackles last year, not much of a sample.
And he did only start in 4 games last year. That should tell you how good he was.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Yet he play in 13. And no, he started in 3 regular season games; those stats were 7 tackles and 1 INT. This is also during the time the Ravens were vying for a playoff spot, so good play was needed.
Ellerbe was injured for the whole preseason, so obviously he wasn’t going to start from day 1. Once he won the starting job, he was very solid and nobody missed Bart Scott around here.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jun 22, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
at least trust us that he's better than Gooden
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I tried to be objective, but clearly have failed somehow. On to the WR’s, Boldin is very good, top ten in the league, but so is Holmes. I would put Santonio ahead of him, not by much, but in front of him nonetheless. Holmes has better speed, they both have great hands and are both pretty tough, maybe Q gets the edge there. They both run routes very well, too. But, this is Q’s first year without opposing defenses doubling Fitzgerald, where now he will be covered by number 1 corners as well as double-teamed. If he can prove to put up the same numbers still, then maybe I was wrong, but I still strongly believe, over the same amount of games played, Holmes will have the advantage.
Boldin is very good, top ten in the league, but so is Holmes
I really think Santonio is good but to compare him to Boldin i think is a stretch. Boldin has had five 1000-yard seasons since being drafted in 03 and has always been a dominant presence on the field who QBs trust to make big plays and who CBs don’t want to have to tackle. Santonio clearly has big play ability himself, but he just had his 1st really good year of his career and has yet to prove that he can sustain that.
I would put Santonio ahead of him, not by much, but in front of him nonetheless.
I can’t believe you think that but OK. Quan is obviously tougher and obviously runs routes better than Santonio. Such a huge part of Santonio’s game is being a scramble-QBs receiver. Nothing wrong with that, but if you’ve watched him like we have over his career you know he’s not one of the NFL’s best route-runners like Boldin is.
While it might make sense to conceive of Boldin as a receiver who has benefitted from Fitzgerald’s presence, people quickly forget that in Boldin’s rookie year, 2003, he had 1377 yards receiving—a year before Larry Fitzgerald came into the league. To those who have watched him since being a Seminole, he has always been a stud and a clear superstar. Santonio was his team’s 2nd best receiver in college, and until last year he was his team’s 2nd best receiver in Pitt. He has a few years to go before he can say he’s on Q’s level.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Again, when Q proves he can be the number 1, I’ll agree with that. Also, Q did have an advantage of being on a team that guns the ball down the field, while Holmes was on a team the relied on D, ran, then threw. Q had about twice as many catches per year than Homes, yet had only about 3/2 as much yards. TD’s per year were similar as well (Holmes – 4.0, Q – 6.2) despite Holmes getting half of the catches that Q did.
There yards per rec. is so different because Q plays in a the slot and Holmes on the outside.
Pittsburgh is now a pass first team (when the Rapist is in). Lots of Holmes big plays came on broken plays. Sanchez looks pretty good moving in the pocket, he’s no Rothlesburger when shedding tackles though (to be fair, no one is). Holmes could be real good in your system, he’s still a question mark in your O like Q is in our O.
Holmes is good and killed the Ravens
but outside of New York/Jersey, no one will say he is better than Anquan, much less a top ten WR in the NFL.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jun 21, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
Holmes is a young, explosive athlete who – as we know all to well – can take over a game. He shows up big in big games, and should continue to improve for the next few seasons.
Love what Anquan brings to the Ravens, but he’s not the game-breaker that Santonio is.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
Oh we will see
Game breaker can be the one who goes 80 yards for the TD, or jus catches the ball in traffic in the end zone over and over for winning scores, right? We will see, especially now that Santonio now has to catch throws from Sanchez instead of Ben (although Anquan does have to catch them from Flacco instead of Warner. <—- I wrote about this expectation a few months ago.).
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by Bruce Raffel on Jun 22, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont act like Boldin ONLY had success with Warner. He’s been great with multiple QBs in Arizona.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Just do not expect
the “same” Boldin in ’zona to be here in Baltimore.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jun 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
top 10 WR
Andre Johnson
Fitz
Calvin Johnson
Randy Moss
Reggie Wayne
Brandon Marshall
Vincent Jackson
Ochocinco
Then comes a group that includes: Q, Holmes, Steve Smith, Welker, Austin, Jennings, Sid Rice, Desean Jackson and Colston. So not so sure that Holmes or Q are top 10 right now.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jun 22, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Top 20, yes, but not top ten. But then Mason is better than Braylon or anyone else on Jets’ roster.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jun 23, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Commentary....
If he ws so good why did the Steelers dump him,he’s trouble obviously? Also he gets to watch for 4 games,then you have Edwards who has the attention span of a knat,runs straight line patterns,if you have time and he’s open he might catch it,Mason is the Ravens Art Monk,he will get open making the rest of the recieving corps better and Q is a monster across the middle…casr closed!
Again, when Q proves he can be the number 1, I’ll agree with that.
Q proved he was a #1 as a rookie, then his team drafted the best WR in the league in 2004. Holmes took until his 4th year to be the #1 on his team.
Also, Q did have an advantage of being on a team that guns the ball down the field, while Holmes was on a team the relied on D, ran, then threw.
WAY wrong. Go over to the steelers’ blog and ask them if they think they run the ball enough. Bruce Arians goes totally pass-happy all the time and their running game was very ineffective. They worked out of a lot of 3-and-longs last year because of that running game, and Santonio got plenty of looks.
We can go back and forth on stats. Q didn’t get as many TDs per reception as Santonio because his team looks to Fitzgerald in the red zone. You must have missed the large number of huge plays that Boldin broke for long distances though.
To me, your reliance on stats just shows that you haven’t watched either of these guys play enough. Boldin is a true all-purpose receiver who is elite in every aspect of his game. Santonio beats him on speed but that’s it.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
1) Holmes had over 800 yards evry season, and had at least 5 TD’s after his season as a rook.
2)The Steelers just started throwing more than running not long ago. In 2005, the Steelers won the SB in spite of Big Ben.
3)Speed has a lot to do with receiving. He has breakaway speed for YAC, he can go get the deep ball, and when Anquan Boldin win Super Bowl MVP, then we can compare, okay? Until he proves he can win, Santonio is better, in my opinion, and I’m sorry, but you’re niot changing my own opinion.
Pro bowls obviouslly ( I’m a Ravens fan).
We aren’t going to be able to settle this debate until the years is over anyway.
I just feel like if you asked 100 NFL fans outside of Arizona, NYJ, Baltimore, and Pitt about this, a vast majority would say Boldin is better. In the words of Charles Barkley, “I may be wrong, but I doubt it.”
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Holmes won SB MVP
on one, huge catch. Otherwise, no one would have noticed. Add in the catch for (no) TD against the Ravens on MNF, he’s made the most of his 15 minutes of fame.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jun 21, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Posted earlier before I saw this
If nothing else, Holmes has been clutch. Steve Hauschka knows how important that is.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
Who?
Hausch…sorry, never heard of the guy.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jun 22, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly I’m not changing you mind but I think you are in a minority with your opinion. Most NFL fans consider Boldin to be the class of the league, while Holmes is one of these potentially stud guys who needs to get his act together.
Holmes had over 800 yards evry season, and had at least 5 TD’s after his season as a rook.
Boldin only had 623 yards in a season when he was hurt and missed 6 games. Then in 2007 when he only played 12-games he had 800 yards. In every season besides those two—even in other years when Boldin missed games—he had over 1000 yards. He was his team’s #1 receiver for a year, just like Holmes. He’s easily proven more than holmes so while you’re entitled to your opinion we’re also entitled to tell you it doesn’t make sense.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Q's QB in his rookie year?
Josh McCown and Jeff Blake. And he still had 1377 yds and 8 tds with no other WR or TE’s on the roster who were decent other than Bryant Johnson. Holmes is good, but has not shown himself to be elite or pro-bowl worthy due to inconsistent play. Q has 3 pro bowls, Holmes has none. Holmes has better big play ability, but he has to show the consistency that Q shows before he will be considered elite.
And Edwards over Mason is a joke. Mase showed at age 35 that he can still get 1000 yds with teams doubling him half the time. Edwards has been in the league 6 years, and only broke 1000 1 time. He also only broke 6 td’s once in his career. Mason breaks 70 rec every year; Braylon only broke it once, during his fluke year. Good luck getting anything useful out of him.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jun 22, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
True dat, but
between Q and Mase, there’s only so many balls to go around and we will never pass as much as ’Zona ever did, s the results will still be an upgrade but not that pass happy team you saw in the Cards.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jun 23, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Before Fitzgerald got tere Boldin was the #1 guy and still had 1000 yard seasons so i think wih a top run-game, another solid reciever, better O-line, good committee of tightends, he will do just as good as or maybe better than his previous days.
by Raven_all_day on Jun 21, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely agree
I thought the linebacker comparison was especially flawed.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Okay, I understand that I may not be the best analyst here according to most of you. Maybe I have not watched enough Ravens football, maybe I don’t know everything about the Ravens, but I’m just offering my opinion on two great teams and would appreciate if we all stopped focusing on how the article was written or supported, and on the actual topic: who is better? It’s a blog for a reason, to debate over topics such as this, and not on the content.
I get it, my LB sections needs work, thank you very much.
nah its cool we appreciate the input.
but we’re gonna say what we think. If we think something is wrong, we’re going to critique it. That’s what we do.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
i was agreeing with what he already said
a lot of it didn’t need to be repeated
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I still believe the Jets win that battle. Ray Lewis is obviously the best LB out of the two teams. Then, I would say David Harris is next, followed by Suggs, if he can be consistent. Then Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, then Johnson, Taylor, Ellerbe, B Thomas, and it goes down from there.
By your logic…
BAL Lewis
NYJ Harris
BAL Suggs
NYJ Scott
NYJ Pace
BAL Johnson
NYJ Taylor
BAL Ellerbe
NYJ Thomas
I still strongly disagree about Johnson being below Pace, but even allowing that, I’m not following your logic. You say that Lewis is better than Harris and Suggs is better than Scott but still give the edge to NY? Even if Pace is better than Johnson, he’s not THAT much of an improvement. Furthermore, both teams run a 3-4 defense, and outside linebackers are much more important than inside linebackers in that scheme. Therefore, the Ravens should get more consideration since they clearly have the better outside backers.
Overall, the Jets, again in my opinion are better because Lewis is best, but Harris is that far behind. Suggs is maybe a notch above Scott IF he can stay consistent. Then Pace is better than Johnson, both statistically and in Rex’s scheme. That’s another thing I neglected to mention, Rex’s schemes. I understand the Ravens made Rex, but he still has some schemes that the Ravens don’t and that thrived with the Jets last year.
I understand all of that, but you still haven’t explained your logic. By your own logic and admission, three of the four Ravens’ starters are better than three of the Jets’ starters. The only Jets’ starter who is better than the Ravens’ starter is Bart Scott versus Dannell Ellerbe. So… please explain how the Jets have the better linebacker squad if three of the Raven’s starters are better than three of the Jet’s starters.
as a tandem the jets ILBs are better since either Scott or Harris can play the Mike, which makes their ability to disguise coverages better.
I understand the Ravens made Rex
if you mean Rex is a product of the Ravens I don’t agree. Rex is his own man. of course no man is an island (besides darrelle revis) and after working 10 years with one organization hopefully he’s learned a thing or two. but if anything he’s largely his father’s son so far as coaching defense. I don’t believe Lewis or Nolan have had more influence on him. Although i do believe he picked up a lot from john harbaugh.
"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
he's right
We didn’t make Rex. As most of you will recall, there was some excitement around here when word came out that Rex was going to be our defensive coordinator. Everyone wanted to know about these new bizzare defensive schemes—and sure enough, he had them.
Rex made his name here, but he made it himself.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Just like?
Lewis, Nolan and whomever else has the title while Ray Lewis still roams the middle of the defense!?
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by Bruce Raffel on Jun 22, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re right Bruce. Rex totally sucks without Ray Lewis.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Don' they all
Be it a dc OR A lb, THEY ALL NEVER ARE THE SAME OUT OF rAY’S SHADOW. bUT THANKS TO rAY, THEY do GET PAID!
(sorry, hit the damn caps button and too lazy to fix it!)
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by Bruce Raffel on Jun 22, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, the amount of time it took you to write that explanation in parenthesis, you could have corrected the Caps error?
"All those who look down on me, I'm tearing down your balcony." -Eminem
by Zachary Beard on Jun 22, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
JJ
The experts believe that Johnson was the best player on the ravens last year, and one of the most underrated players in the league:
OUTSIDE LINEBACKER – Jarret Johnson, Baltimore – Johnson is the league’s top outside linebacker in terms of run and pass defense and a virtual unknown to the NFL’s wider audience as he’s overshadowed by Baltimore defensive stars like Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and Haloti Ngata. Let’s go straight to the numbers: in 2009 Johnson recorded 33 tackles and 32 stops, with only 4 missed tackles, 6 sacks and 7 hits on the QB. Pro Football Focus rates him as the league’s best run defender at his position. This unassuming seventh-year player, also referred to as defensive end at times (see: Terrell Suggs) Johnson also destroys opposing quarterbacks: in 2009 they managed a rating of only 48.0 in 17 passes to Johnson’s man with a measly 6.8 yards a catch. Though overlooked for the Pro Bowl unsurprisingly Johnson did earn a spot on the 2009 Pro Football Weekly’s list of the ten most underrated players in the league.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/10/21/ten-unsung-talents-who-deserve-more-respect
Jarret Johnson’s fine season was slowed toward the end by shoulder and knee injuries, but many still felt he was a Pro Bowl snub. Suggs knocked off post-injury rust to finish strong and Lewis deserved his 11th trip to the All-Star game.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jun 22, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Great player
great personality (yes, he….wait….“Plays Like a Raven!”).
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by Bruce Raffel on Jun 23, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
So did Frank Walker
Anyone on the Ravens roster or that has ever been; “Play(ed) like a Raven”
"All those who look down on me, I'm tearing down your balcony." -Eminem
by Zachary Beard on Jun 23, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
PROMOTED
Regardless of our loyalty to the Ravens, this is a very good, detailed comparison and deserves to be on our Front Page.
I definitely think our wideouts are better than the Jets’, with or without Holmes, and disagree with the statement that the deeper you go into the WR depth, the better the Jets’ wideouts are. I also take issue with the LB corps, as no way those guys are as good as ours. While Harris and Scott would start fo rthe Ravens, Ray and Jarret would do the same for NY. If you also count Suggs as a LB, he would push someone out of the starting slot as well.
Finally, there will be a huge difference betwn the two QB’s, with Flacco having more targets now and another full year to mature, while Sanchez will now need to carry a bigger load with TJ gone and anyone in NY who thinks LT is a fair swap for them, is delusional.
Great research and detail though, and thanks. Perhpas we should, as friendly fans, head over to their site to see what the Jets’ fans wrote in response to compare their loyalty to ours.
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Thank you, Bruce, I appreciate that. I would still argue that the Jets’ receivers are better, but not by much. These two teams are very evenly matched. Their Week 1 match up could very well be seen again in the AFC Championship game this year. And I do agree that Flacco is better right now, but since I also believe the Jets’ have a better line and since they have a lot of options, that Sanchez will have a stronger year than last. And I know that’s not saying much, but I believe he’ll be much improved from last year.
I also found it interesting that the polls for each blog were bascially exact opposites from each other.
Over all team depth?
I think there should be some breakdown of that, injuries happen. I don’t know much about the Jets, but the Ravens have a very deep team this year.
Offensive line is a group effort, one weak guy in the group means the defense will exploit it and there’s no easy way to fix that. Loosing Faneca will have its growing pains. Also, the stats you brought up about the offensive line play are a bit meaningless in my opinion. For example, of course the Jets had less hits on their quarterback than the Ravens. I’m no stat guru (the only stat that matters is the W), but I’m pretty sure Flacco dropped back a little more than Sanchez.
Looking at receivers, Sanchez is no Big Ben, Holmes will miss all that extra time to get open. While I don’t expect Boldin to have knock out numbers, his impact will be opening up the other guys, I will enjoy Mason (best route runner in the NFL in my opinion) going against teams number 2 corner.
Overall it’s a good topic, however the Jets fan in you shows. If you plan on being a “respected” sports writer someday, that may be something you might want to address.
Both teams have great depth this year in every position that I can think of. And I agree that the O-line is a group effort and I understand that “you’re only as good as your worst blocker” mentality, but the other linemen for the Jets will be there to pick up whoever starts at LG. Besides, Faneca is no longer the same guard he was a few years ago.
And , yes Falco did drop back more, but Sanchez also did hold onto the ball too long like a loaf of bread and did roam from the pocket and some defenders got to him then. And I’m not saying Holmes will have the same stats, but that he is a better individual than Q, (once more) in my opinion.
And, I really don’t see where the Jets’ fan in me shows? I really tried to be objective and I believe in the end, the amount of categories the Jets won was equal to the amount the Ravens won. You can correct me if I’m wrong.
i give you credit for trying to be objective
and we’re not saying the jets are bad. But to us it just sounds like you know a lot about the Jets and a little less about us. I’m not trying to sound rude when I write a rebuttal to you, I’m just stating my case.
Personally, my dad is a diehard Jets fan and my buddy is a Pats fan so I watch a lot of AFC East and I respect you guys. I’m not unfamiliar with your team although I concede I didn’t watch all 16 games like I did the Ravens.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
You’re probably right though. I’ve been trying to be objective, but it is hard when you follow one team more than another. I will give you that.
Jaime S
I will flat out tell you this, your team is nasty. If there is one team that matches up best with the Ravens it is definitely the Jets. We are identical from QB to Kicker in how we want to play football, and this style works. Rex Ryan is exactly what you needed and he has put together one hell of a team. You guys are better than us in some areas, we are better than you in some areas, but in the end we match up equally.
This is going to be an insane game.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Let me say that when I first began reading the article I didn’t know you were a Jets fan, I just made an account here the other day. Once I was finished I knew what team you favored more. You stayed more objective than I would have, but I checked your profile and read that you aspire to be a sports writer. Thought you deserved a little criticism so next time you’ll try even harder.
by Mayne_Event on Jun 21, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Boldin will give us 80-85 catches for 1,100-1,200 yards and 5-6 TD’s. Not the biggest numbers in the world and similar to what Derrick Mason has done for us in the past, but it will be the way that he makes those catches. We have never had a WR like Boldin before and it takes so much pressure off of our offense to have him in there.
This now allows Mason to work against the defense’s #2 and Mason has been successful against #1 CB for a very long time. People who say he is too old to make an impact are clueless. Not saying you made a statement like this, but I am seeing it else where when talking about Mason. He has put up eight 1,000 yard seasons in his last 9 seasons, so he is obviously showing no signs of age at the moment.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
agree with everything except sanchez...
Sanchez is a dope. He might be better next year, but until we see that improvement he’s still one of the worst QBs in the league. He’s the only thing holding the Jets back.
The bright side for Jets fans is that the Ravens won a SB with Dilfer, so its possible. Rex Ryan’s defense may end up being that good.
That was 10 years ago. It may not seem that long ago, but the game has evolved so much in that last 10 years. And to even mention the 2010 Jets defense in the same sentence as the 2000 Ravens defense is not fair, so it most likely won’t work with a type of offense that the Ravens had in 2000. If you guys go a whole month without scoring a TD, I can almost guarantee that you will not be in the playoffs.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Give Mark some credit
True, Sanchez was a dope for most of the season. Generally they won games in spite of him. BUT, he stepped it up big time in the playoffs, and he deserves much of the credit for their post-season success. Now, any mediocre QB can go on a hot streak at any time. So it will be very interesting to see if he picks right up where he left off with a strong performance in the playoffs, or if he levels off a little bit and plays closer to 2009 season Mark Sanchez than 2010 playoffs Mark Sanchez.
My guess is he will be somewhere in-between. Better than he was last season but not as good as he was in the three playoff games.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
You could have said the same thing about Kyle Boller at the end of 2004:
“Yeah, Kyle Boller was a dope throughout most of the season, but in those final three games of the season, Kyle Boller REALLY turned it on and passed for over 300 yards in each of the games.”
It’s nice to have a good run of games at the end of the season, but it doesn’t really guarantee anything going into next year.
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by s.r.genovese on Jun 21, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s a good point but I think Sanchez doesn’t show the Boller-esque mental lapses. He considers himself a winner and he believes in himself, which I could never say with confidence about Boller no matter how well he had played in the last few weeks.
Obviously Sanchez will remain a disavantage for the Jets but I do think he’ll mix in a few more good games to go with the inevitable stinkbombs that most 2nd-year QBs will have.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Good point
Its just too hard to remember anything good about Ravens’ QBs from 2001 through 2007. Certainly there were good moments, but MAN were they overshadowed by overall ineptitude.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
I don’t know, remember midseason when Sanchez had so many mental lapses that Rex RuN instituted the color coded signals telling him when to be aggressive and when to be cautious?
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by s.r.genovese on Jun 21, 2010 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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When you're rich you don't write checks - Randy Moss
by s.r.genovese on Jun 21, 2010 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hah no I guess I missed that.
I guess also there were several reasons the Jets ran the ball so much last season – slow leaning curve by Sanchez being one of them.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
So did Baltimore in Joe's 1st year
but now we also have Boldin to go along with the same great run game and the Jets have no Holmes for first four plus no Thomas Jones (puh-lease don’t give me the “LT has a lot more left in the tank” thing!).
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by Bruce Raffel on Jun 22, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely
2008 was nothin but LeRon, Willis and Ray. I loved watchin LeRon beast his way down the field 5 yards at a time.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
this is probably true...
but it still leaves Flacco on a totally different level then Sanchez
i just hate on sanchez
because winning solves everything and now he’s the second coming just because he defense and running game bailed him out of his own incompetence
Word
My roommate hates on Trent Dilfer for the same reasons. I cant stand it!!!
They say the empty can rattles the most...
Different situation though
I will concede. Trent Dilfer was never called the second coming of anything. Sanchez has gotten so much more publicity because he plays in NY.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
so did trent

"212 degrees" - NY Jets 2010 offseason approach
At 211 degrees, water is hot.
At 212 degrees, water boils and makes steam.
With steam one can power a locomotive.
"One marginal degree, just like a small additional effort, can make all the difference."
hey.....
i’m technically a new member but ive been reading the blog for months, get over to ganggreennation.com and argue for our ravens, currently me and bm0re blackout are the only ones over there attempting to present the other side of the argument against all those jet fans. some guy is trying to say that shonne greene is equivalent to ray rice. Heinous!!!!!
Would never consider trying to convince Jets fan
that we are better, much less Rice better than Greene! Worthless task.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jun 22, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh...
While the Jets had the #1 running game last year, their running game has taken a hit in the off-season and so has their stellar O-line. Having said that, I think going into this season I would objectively say the Jets and Ravens O-lines are a push; their running backs are a push.
I think Flacco has an edge over Sanchez by virtue of an additional year of experience. Flacco had his share of bone-headed decisions as a rookie so I am willing to give Sanchez the benefit of the doubt.
And yes, the Ravens receiving core is better than the Jets receiving core. Period. So many do not give Mason the credit he deserves. And Q > Holmes.
I make the D-line a push because of two reasons: 1) the Jets rankings last year vs. the Ravens rankings last year and 2) Mt. Cody, while a HoF’er in the making, has not played an NFL down yet. Our LB’s pound for pound are all-around better as a unit -I do not think you are going to find too many folks outside of NY who would say otherwise. While I like our safeties better than your safeties, your CB’s are so much better than ours, right now, I have to give the secondary to the Jets.
As for ST’s, who knows? I agree, call it a push. In summary:
QB: Ravens
WR: Ravens
O-Line: Push (will revisit as year progresses)
RB: Push (will revisit as year progresses)
D-Line: Push (Funny how a rookie on the Ravens could totally swing this one way or the other…)
LB: Ravens (to be fair, we can revisit this also as the year progresses because of age, young guys not panning out, etc)
DB: Jets
ST: Push
I think the Defense/ST’s cancel each other out, I believe it comes down to which offense can eek out one more big play than the other… At a neutral site, I think the Ravens would get the extra big play on offense; played at the Jets, who knows…
Nice breakdown, but
I see it as a chemistry issue and wehave it all together while the Jets will have to get used to no TJ, LT trying his best and no Santonio in the first game vs. us, so we can catch them at their weakest point. I’ve been saying I’d rather face New York in NJ in September than December, as we should have the chemistry battle won by then.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jun 22, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Hey, two of our road games are at a Ben-less Steelers and at a Holmes-less Jets -what is not to like? Let us face it: we are taking an at best 1-1 and changing it into a very possible 2-0 for those two game -and we all know how difficult it is too win on the road in the NFL.
I will give the guy his due: The Ravens and Jets are very closely matched up. The AFC Championship game could very well be Ravens and Jets -pick the home team. I just think that right now, we have an ever so slight edge.
vlad
if you think the D-line is a push, you clearly don’t know anything about their line. We have a pro bowler and a very underrated guy in Gregg, plus a future pro bowler in Pryce, and a high draft pick who is looking very good. They have a former pro bowler in Jenkins who did not look that good for them, and a bunch of trash around him.
Also, there is no way their RB are a push with our. They have a young guy who has shown flashes and an old washed up backup. We have a pro bowler, and a former pro bowler still in his prime with less than normal wear n’ tear.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jun 22, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
a future pro-bowler in Pryce?
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I think he meant Cody… or maybe Kruger.
I agree with him, though. The Ravens’ running backs are better, and the defensive line is much, much better (maybe the best).
yeah im with you there for sure
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"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
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by Bruce Raffel on Jun 23, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
we have every matchup except DB and ST
O-line we have a slight edge because they are breaking in a new guard, and we have better, more proven depth.
rb by a mile
wr is close, but i don’t think it is debatable
lb by a bunch ray> scott, harris> ellerbe, both our OLB > both their OLB
d-line we trounce them
qb we have them by a bunch even if sanchez improves
db’s are close, but even though our safeties are much better, their CB are waaay better. they have every matchup at the top 3 cb spots, we have a large advantage at FS and a slight advantage at SS.
ST- theirs are better, check out the ST rankings below from last year; they rank 5th, we rank 18th. And although i think we improved, i do not know how much…
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/021410dnspospecialteams.3df2052.html
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jun 23, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Before Cody was drafted they wud say the Ravns and Jets have an identical D-line because of Ngata and Jenkins, NOW….lol there is no chance the jets D-line has a chance.
by Raven_all_day on Jun 25, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Even last year I think pretty much everybody would have agreed that Ngata is way better than Jenkins. This isn’t Carolina Jenkins we’re talking about here.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Your right, he is not as effective and he cant control his weight. But like i said critics wud say this. No one gave Ngata credit until this year.
by Raven_all_day on Jun 26, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Jets Ranked #1 in Rushing Last Year
Yes, the Jets running game took a bit of an off-season hit so that is why I claim they are “even”. At the end of the day (err, season) I expect the Ravens to be ranked higher in rushing, but until it happens, I have a higher confidence in my original prediction. My point is, at the end of regular season, I would not be surprised if the Ravens and Jets rushing totals were within a hundred yards of each other; although i do believe we will have more rushing TD’s.
Jets had the #1 overall defense last season and a lot of that starts up front, even with All-Galaxy Revis. “Buddy Lee” and Pryce are past their prime, and we are putting an awful lot on Cody being the real deal, Kindle being a solid contributor and Kruger taking a big leap forward -that is a lot riding on guys who have never played an NFL down or very little, and on guys who have admittedly lost a step.
I am not saying the Ravens RB’s and D-Line are terrible, I just think think, today, they are pretty even with the Jets -both for both teams are arguably in the league’s top five -how much hair splitting do you want?
So what you are saying...
is that you have questions about our d-line, so that makes it a push? Their D-line is below average; however their faults are hidden by a superb secondary and a high level LB corp.
Ngata > Jenkins
Gregg > Ellis
Redding > Devito
Pryce, Kurger, Cody > Gholston (bust) and a bunch of scrubs.
So no matter what your questions are about our d-line, they were superb last year, and they still are one of the best, albeit with a health worry on Gregg and Pryce (which is why we drafted Cody and Kruger). However, the Jets have a unit who ranks in the bottom third of the league. So hells no, not a “push.”
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jun 24, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Look,
You are probably right when you approach it from that angle. Hey, I am not too proud to admit when I am wrong.
But looking at the Jets rankings, they got to be doing something right, even up front. I hope the Ravens explode and the Jets implode, starting with Week 1, but the end result (from last year) seems to have them fairly close.
vlad
check out the d-line rankings:
Ravens #2, Jets #15
So the experts agree with me, we blow them out of the water on the d-line.
by Rayisyourdaddy on Jun 28, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Redding...is no chump!
The ravens rotate there linemen,the jets won’t be able to run on them and if the pass rush has improved,they pass very far or for very long…The ravens can run on anyone…and don’t forget,if you stick 8 in the box to stop it,you will get passed on and besides,Cromartie hasn’t tackled anyone in his career and he won’t this year!
Its simple....
Rex is taking a page out of the old ravens playbook,defense and run the ball,unfortunately he ran his 2 best runners away,LT will not make a difference,a rookie won’t either,which means they will have to put the ball in Sanchezs hands to throw and thats risky at best,he can run but he can’t hide.The Ravens will exploit opposing defenses this year,if you can stop the run we will pass and vice versa,the difference is they will run at the NO tackling Cromartie often,because he’s a cover guy,he runs for cover when the run turns the corner.Defense,ask New England about the playoffs,they knew what was coming and couldn’t stop it,the Ravens play in a better division.As for who’s better,we’ll find out the firsy game and if your a betting person,ask Vegas,case closed!
About "Q",that separates him from the rest....
He played after having his freaking jaw wired shut..that is one bad ass man,I don’t care what his stats are,he ain’t afraid to hit or get hit and the going across the middle,No Problem,stopping him is!

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