Steelers #7 Jersey: Inappropriate?
by Bruce Raffel on May 23, 2010 10:19 AM EDT
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PrintSo I'm down south in West Palm Beach, Florida this weekend and out for a nice Saturday night dinner and stroll at their "City Place," which is a few blocks square group of restaurants, bars, shopping and food. While walking around after a great dinner, I see a kid wearing a Pittsburgh Steelers Ben Roethlisberger #7 jersey. Of course, no matter what the past has been, it raises my ire and I sort of sneer at the kid as he walks by. However, now I am wondering and asked my cousin, who is a lifelong Miami Dolphins fan, what he thinks of whether or not it is "politically correct" to wear a Big Ben jersey after what he's been through recently?
He says he couldn't care less, but if he had a son (poor guy has four daughters, including 15 year old twins!), he wouldn't want him to wear one. I think that Steelers fans probably still support him for the most part and the kid (actually a pretty big teenager) basically couldn't care less what others thought anyway. I guess what I'm saying is that despite your love and support for your hometown boy, perhaps the in-your-face wearing of that jersey out in public should more than likely be confined to game-time around Pittsburgh, don't you think?
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A lot of people are going to wear them to support Ben, but I also know a lot of people who have put away their Ben jersey until he shows himself to be less of a jag-off.
until he shows himself to be less of a jag-off.
Like that will ever happen.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
They are being sold at half price at Shenk and Tittle's
and we still haven’t sold a single one in the month they have been on sale.
That’s the sound of people jumping off the bandwagon… I hope.
why is this an issue
sounds like Peter King
I love Vegas
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
Issue?
I think Bruce clearly stated his opinion and asked us all how we feel. I don’t recall the word “issue” ever coming up. But while I’m on here, if Big Ben can keep “little ben” in his pants until Week 4-6, then by all means break out the #7 jersey’s. Until then, I wouldn’t want to be seen wearing it.
"I kill myself in small amounts"
by StuckInUtah on May 23, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
So then
Until then, I wouldn’t want to be seen wearing it.
When do you usually wear your #7 Ben Roethlisberger jersey?
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
sounds like Peter King
I have to agree. Did Ravens fans closet their Ray Lewis jerseys after his trial? I mean, he plead guilty to obstruction of justice!
You can’t wear a Steelers jersey without looking like a jackass. If you’re going to go, you might as well go all the way. If it offends the delicate sensibilities of Ravens fans, they can always vacation in sunny England where it’s frowned upon to say anything offensive.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
I think the Ray Lewis and Ben situations are slightly different. Ray messed up, he did. However, there was not hard evidence that he did anything and the topic was dropped shortly thereafter. Now, does anyone (including Steeler fans) truly believe that Ben did not have some sort of sexual interaction with any of these girls? I doubt it, we all know he did. And he is a multiple offender at this point for all I care, a rapist of 19 year old college girls.
But let the kid wear his Ben jersey. When he pulls a Ronaldo and ends up picking up a prostitute who is really a man, the father will feel even dumber.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Yeah, Ben has sex with girls. I can see why you’d have a problem with that.
by Phantaskippy on May 23, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a difference between sex and rape, you know that right?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
There is as much proof and evidence of Ben raping girls as there is of Ray Lewis murdering someone.
by Phantaskippy on May 23, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Touche
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by Zachary Beard on May 23, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair...
I heard Ben say he was getting a “Rapy” vibe from that girl.
touche??? really.
I mean are you kidding? I know i am new here but – your agreeing that the 2 incidents of Ben and Ray Lewis are equal?? As a long time ravens fan and one who has followed the saga in detail, I am surprised that an ‘author’ can make the both equal? You may need to read the details and gather more insight!
No, does it make you feel better?
You can always count on the Pittsburgh fans to bring their A-game to the Beatdown. Good comeback!
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yeah yeah, but in all seriousness defending Ben is not something I enjoy doing. I’ve been on the Ben is an ass side of the argument at BTSC for a while now, and I don’t like defending the sleazeball. But calling him a rapist is a far cry from calling him a sleazy jerk.
by Phantaskippy on May 24, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah yeah, but in all seriousness defending Ben is not something I enjoy doing. I’ve been on the Ben is an ass side of the argument at BTSC for a while now, and I don’t like defending the sleazeball. But calling him a rapist is a far cry from calling him a sleazy jerk.
I can respect that. No system of justice is perfect, but I happen to be a big fan of the American version that puts the burden of proof on the prosecution.
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wow going for the accusations of being gay kinda early there aren
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on May 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
stupid keyboard: 't you?
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on May 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Said the Ravens fans. You believe Lewis was 100% innocent because he is a Raven. I do not think he was as unguilty as you all make him out to be.
Anyway, most Steelers fans in the know, just believe Ben is a sleazy asshole, not a rapist.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you were intentionally using the word "unguilty"
But I am just curious if Dr. Del would overlook this becaues of your Steeler love, or would he pounce on you like everyone else… No Homo.
Yes, I know the word innocent exists, but I felt unguilty fit better, even though its not a word.
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you know...
I just wanted to preface with that so you didn’t think I was trying to insult you. I think you are funny and wouldn’t be a douche and try to correct you on something like that. I mean it only to be a slight to Dr Del who comes on our site with his topless avatar and acts as our spelling czar.
+1
i still wear my jerseys… includin Roethlisberger and Harrison.
I love Vegas
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
*including
I love Vegas
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
Man, I hope this post does not bring over all of BTSC to tell us why we are dirty ratbirds/purplebrowns and tell us to drop it.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Its a long offseason malor
I love Vegas
Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
I'll gladly accept the traffic
After all, I’m a stats guy after above it all.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 23, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything that they would say can be summed up in the statement by Phantaskippy…
There is as much proof and evidence of Ben raping girls as there is of Ray Lewis murdering someone.
Apparently, they can rationalize and justify Roethlisberger’s disgusting behavior with Ray Lewis’ incident ten years ago. How that has any bearing on this matter, I have no idea. It’s the ultimate straw-man argument. I suppose it doesn’t matter that Roethlisberger has a history of this behavior and people all over the country have been coming forward with stories of his sexually offensive behavior. Of course that doesn’t matter. His fans will read the six page articles about his extreme entitlement and sexual abuse problems and simply dismiss them as “haters.” They will continue to rationalize and justify (using the Ray Lewis story when talking to Ravens fans) his behavior no matter what. Therefore, these types of arguments are a complete waste of time. It’s throwing pearls to the proverbial swine.
pwnage
I take my “Touche” back, phantaskippy.
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by Zachary Beard on May 24, 2010 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure any of us said he wasn't an asshole or sleazy
We just don’t believe he is a rapist. Apparently though, every Ravens fan in existence has solid proof that Ben is a rapist and for some reason obstructed justice and did not provide it to the Georgia police.
I don’t own a #7 jersey, so it is a non issue for me. Would I care if someone wears something they spent $60-80 on? No. Does it really get your panties in that big of a bunch that you have to scoff at some stranger you do not even know (who is a kid by the way)?
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
I’m going to send ManBoobs McCody to eat you.
I will throw hamburgers at him to distract him.
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
You should probably buy a side of beef....
better safe than missing an arm.
if you look at the poll
more people chose either “wear it when you want” or “does it really matter” than the “don’t wear it option.” Most of us don’t care that much. I also think that most Steelers fans have a pretty down-to-earth view of Ben in this case—he quite possibly raped a girl, and he is at the very least a sleazy asshole, but he’s also their Franchise QB and they wouldn’t mind if he won another ring with them.
I personally don’t care if you wear it. It’s your wardrobe man. I definitely wasn’t one of those douchebags sneering at the Vick jerseys last year.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I believe that he’s a rapist, but there’s obviously not enough evidence to prove it. That’s simply my opinion. However, we still live in this great country where you’re innocent until proven guilty… so Ben is technically innocent. He may never be proven guilty. It happens all the time… criminals get away with their crimes. Far worse crimes have gone unpunished, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t loathe the guy and his disgusting ways.
OJ Simpson
Is exhibit “A” in this regard.
Although, I do buy into the theory that it was actually OJ’s adult son who did it and OJ was just covering for him.
If comparing Ben to Ray is a straw argument
This one would be an even worse straw argument.
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude
My OJ comment was referring to:
Far worse crimes have gone unpunishedWould you not agree that OJ’s crimes went unpunished? How is that a “straw man” argument?
His comment was in relation to Ben. When he inferred just because he was not convicted does not mean he did nothing. Something similar may apply to Ben, but in no way, shape, or form are those two cases similar.
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Disconnect
I think we have a disconnect -not sure I understand what you are saying. OJ walked. Ben will most likely walk -in both his cases. How are they dissimilar? Ben’s infraction’s revolve around (potential) rape of young women. Ray’s case was obstruction of justice -how are they similar? Preemption on my part: do not bring up that Ray’s case was murder as Ray was cleared of all charges related to a murder charge (including aiding and abetting, accessory, etc). Ray was guilty of not being 100% forthcoming of what he witnessed.
Let me (admittedly) spin it another way: what do you think the relatives of the women involved in Ben’s cases think Ben is? Do you think they think he is completely, 100% innocent? Had they been my niece/cousin/sister/etc (G-d forbid daughter) I would probably be looking for payback, and not the lawyer-settlement type either. (More like “Deliverance” or “Gimp” style and see how much Ben likes it then…)
The huge difference is that Ben Roethlisberger has never spent a day in trial. So to say Ben’s case is like OJ’s is completely incorrect. There was enough evidence to take OJ to court (and there was enough to convict him, but bad lawyering affected that), but there was not concrete enough evidence to take Ben to court.
And I have no idea how your spin off is relevant to anything. How do you think the relatives of that guy who died feel about Ray? Who cares?
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
There was enough evidence to take OJ to court…
OJ should have kept a couple of local cops in his entourage.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
Right, because those guys had any say in what the Georgia police were doing. Do some research and you will find out that a huge amount of cops do security for extra money on the side or after they retire as a police officer. It’s not uncommon.
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Point Is
My “spin” was to show that much of this has to about perspective, more so than actual “innocence” and “guilt”. For many of the steeler faithful, Ben is just a misunderstood big galute who exhibits poor judgment about his social endeavors; to many outside of Pittsburgh he is, at best, a dirty sleazeball and at worse, a rapist; to the relatives of the victims, he is in the same neighborhood as child molesters. Point is, which of the three is correct? We could argue all day and twice on Sunday which of the three is correct.
Oh and about
enough evidence to take OJ to courtyou know that any DA can indict a ham sandwich? Indictments do not mean squat, ask Clinton…
And according to our system of justice, which Amp so rightly pointed out is the worse except for all the others*, OJ was found innocent, period. You can say all you want about the “lawyering”; does not matter a hill beans, he was found innocent. Period.
*yeah, I combined Churchill with Amp…
He never said it was the same. vlad755’s point is that — in the eyes of the parents — somebody who forces himself on their daughter would probably be regarded in a similar light as a child molester. I don’t have kids, but I believe this statement to be at least worthy of consideration.
Reading comprehension for the win.
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Except they were not children.
The girls were adults, in a bar, with DTF stickers.
Give the parents a little credit for discerning the facts here.
You Obviously
Do not have daughters. I have two. And yes, they are not of adult age yet, but I would imagine I will not feel extremely protective of them until they are well into their mid to late 20’s.
Not sure how you end up so certain about something
But I’d be curious to see how you felt if he was a Cardinal or some obscure team, that isn’t a rival.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
But I’d be curious to see how you felt if he was a Cardinal…
If we’re speculating, I’d be curious to see how you felt if he was a backup quarterback that was cut from the Steelers within hours of news of the incident breaking. He’d probably end up on the Cardinals or some obscure team that isn’t a rival.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
I probably wouldn’t care, but I still would not say he is guilty just because I “thought so”.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said that he was guilty “because I thought so.”
opinion: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
I simply said that I believe Ben raped that woman in Georgia and has probably raped many others who haven’t come forward. That is a pure opinion (see the definition above) based on what I have read about Ben as a person. Don’t confuse the statement of my opinion with a statement of fact. I clearly stated that Ben is “technically innocent.”
The truth is that we will probably never know what happened in Georgia or how many women Ben has sexually assaulted. Based on the information available, to say that he’s never raped anyone is as much a leap of faith as saying that he has. Sure, you can say that “he’s never been proven guilty,” but how many women who haven’t come forward has he assaulted? These issues are very touchy, and Ben has tons of money and power. That may sound like speculation, but from what I’ve read about the man, it seems like the most likely scenario.
Ok, so that I can have the opinion that Ray Lewis murdered that guy and probably has murdered many others?
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be interested to hear you walk me through that logic process… as I did above with my opinion.
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
Why do I have to?
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by John Stephens on May 25, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
You certainly don’t.
I would just be interested in hearing the logic behind that opinion… if you really believe it.
There doesn’t have to be logic by that definition.
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by John Stephens on May 25, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, a person uses logic to form an opinion. An opinion is based on subjective or inconclusive evidence. By that definition, it actually requires more logic to form a sound opinion than to simply understand a fact. Therefore, a person’s logic can be judged on the soundness of the logic which they use to form their opinions. You’re confusing inconclusive evidence with unsound logic, my friend.
I'm not
I think you are confusing logic with personal opinion/bias:
I simply said that I believe Ben raped that woman in Georgia and has probably raped many others who haven’t come forward. That is a pure opinionHow is that logic?
Here, I will just completely rephrase your ‘logic’ to be about Ray Lewis:
I simply said that I believe Ray killed that guy in Atlanta and has probably killed many others that no one knows about. That is a pure opinion (see the definition above) based on what I have read about Ray as a person. Don’t confuse the statement of my opinion with a statement of fact. I clearly stated that Ray is "technically innocent."
The truth is that we will probably never know what happened in Atlanta or how many men Ray has killed. Based on the information available, to say that he’s never killed anyone is as much a leap of faith as saying that he has. Sure, you can say that "he’s never been proven guilty," but how many murders haven’t come forward that no one knows about? These issues are very touchy, and Ray has tons of money and power. That may sound like speculation, but from what I’ve read about the man, it seems like the most likely scenario.
See what I mean?
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 25, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, last paragraph should have been quoted too
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by John Stephens on May 25, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
How is that logic?
My thought process comes from the articles that I’ve read about Ben as a person. If Ben only had a single rape allegation (Ray only has one allegation), I would not hold the opinion that I do. In fact, I didn’t believe that Ben had raped or even assaulted the first woman when his first rape allegation came out.
After the last allegation and the media bomb-shell went off, I read several articles about Ben as a person. Included in those articles were quotes and testimonies from several of his friends that painted a clear picture of the man. The article that really changed my mind was the article by Sports Illustrated. After reading that article, I was surprised that Ben didn’t have more sexual assault and rape allegations. Of course, it’s not that unbelievable when you consider his wealth and fame. The point is that my opinion of Ben and his situation was formed logically and I’m happy to explain it to you.
I don’t even know what point you’re arguing. It seems like you’re trying to find something wrong with everything that I say. It would make it easier for me to address whatever problems you’re having if you could spell-out your argument for me.
I’m arguing that your point is based on bias and not any sort of logic, which I still do not believe it is. Again, I said he is a sleazeball,asshole, womanizer, whatever you want to call it. There is good information (like the stories from the SI article) to base a logical opinion on that. I would understand if you thought he was one of these. Fine.
However, it appears to me that you seem to think that being an asshole or a sleazeball means you will be a rapist. There is no direct correlation there, so please stop using that as your ‘logic’. To put it that way, I could say that I believe Ray Lewis is a murderer because he was involved with those shady characters. One does not beget the other.
So we have the McNulty case. Are you basing your ‘logic’ off the woman who later bragged about having sex with Ben in emails and then a year later decided to say it was rape?
Then there is the Georgia case. According to the police report the first people to say ‘rape’ were her friends (no where near the bathroom) and upon being questioned she initially said she was not raped. Then she later changes her mind. It all seems questionable to me.
Now, I believe that Ben is a huge sleazeball for taking a girl to the bathroom to fool around, sure. However, I would not say that I most certainly believe he is a rapist because some girl said he was, when she initially said he wasn’t.
So you based your logic that he is a rapist off information that says he is an asshole. Again, I believe your logic is poor.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 25, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Baltimore Beatdown: Home of the most random arguments on the internet.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Not really
It’s directly associated with the topic of the article. And its better than the jersey argument from yesterday.
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by John Stephens on May 25, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that I can agree with you on.
"I kill myself in small amounts"
by StuckInUtah on May 26, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
First, let me say that you obviously have the right to disagree with my logic. In fact, I would be very surprised if you didn’t considering our backgrounds.
Having read your full argument, I can finally see where we disagree. I’ve read many articles and quotes regarding Ben, and those articles made the rape allegations seem likely to me. During these types of cases, there is always misinformation. PR people are paid millions to find ways to spin the story. Anyone can attack the the woman’s testimony, and I’m not sure how much of the back and forth is true. You can say she changed her mind or is crazy, but have you ever been raped? I can only assume that it’s a traumatic experience, so that being said, no one can really blame the women for handling it in any manner that they wish.
I can only look at the fact that two women, on separate sides of the country, have brought rape allegations against Ben. That, coupled with the articles regarding his behavior, shaped my opinion. I will admit that it’s entirely plausible that he’s never raped or assaulted anyone. I’ve never said otherwise, but even you must admit that it’s (at least) plausible that he did rape those women and got away with it. Obviously, it remains a matter of opinion, but we can both hold either view while maintaining logical thought processes. I can respect your opinion but certainly do not have to share it.
I still think that my logic is sound, and that’s reflected in the plausibility of my opinion. By ‘logic,’ I’m referring to the soundness of the thought process. It doesn’t necessarily mean that my opinion is correct since by very definition, an opinion rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. Your opinion is also plausible. I believe that mine is more likely, but again, that is a matter of opinion.
Hawk is the Beatdown MVP
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
It's true.
He once teabagged me and then proceeded to call my mother to tell her about it. They laughed for hours, It was down right diabolical… moral of the story—> don’t mess with the Hawk.
then he explained the incident to you in pure Vulcan logic.
and you agreed.
Is Hawk a lawyer by any chance?
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I think he is a straight up Jedi Warrior.
He once convinced me to circumsize myself! It was nuts.
I didn’t say Ben wasn’t a sleazy ass-hole. Just that calling Bena rapist is the same as calling Ray Lewis a Murderer.
Calling Ben a sleazy ass hole would be like calling Ray Lewis a guy who does a ton for his community.
Seriously, after getting Malor’s wrath anytime we rip on Lewis that way I’m fully prepared to bring it back the other way.
by Phantaskippy on May 24, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben should be facing charges right now if the investigation was done correctly
he was saved by professional law enforcement officers obstructing justice for him.
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on May 25, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You ratbird browns should just drop it
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It's spelled
Purple RatBird Browns… sheesh.
Cool video with Mushin Muhammed on NFL Network talking about who is the A-Team in the NFL and at different positions. When asked who his A-Team WR group was, Moose picked the WR. Talked about how much he likes Flacco and how Anquan is going to rip through the league. Loves Stallworth as well. Should say alot about how good this group is coming from a WR who has been so productive in his career. Check it out.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81841a01/Film-Study-A-Team
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
It’s cool you guys got picked, I’d say hands down the Ravens have the most improved group from last season. But that’s still on paper. I think Rod had much better picks throughout the segment.
by Phantaskippy on May 24, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Appreciate that. I like how Rod says Jamarcus Finley, If I was Finley he would definitely be hearing from me. Another wr group to watch this year and could be sort of a surprise is the Giants.
by purpleonblack86 on May 23, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
Btw, I’m glad Bruce brought this topic up because it reminds me of how I’ll never wear an Arenas jersey. I never owned one but even if he returns and brings something to Wizards I’m sure he’s not in their long term plans now that they have the No.1 pick. I’m hopeful for a trade next season if he’s even on our roster this year. So I have to agree with Bruce about it being too soon to wear the Ben jersey but then again to each his own.
by purpleonblack86 on May 23, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
I happy I’m not the only one that snarles at every Steelers fan I see no matter the situation.
by Georgia Raven on May 24, 2010 3:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I once punched a 15 year old in the face because he was wearing a Hines Ward jersey and told me Ravens suck
at a Panthers pre-season game. That and I had a little bit of Heiny in me….. but still.
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by Zachary Beard on May 24, 2010 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It goes both ways... so it's only fair to feel that way about your rival.
I was in Disney (sounds gay, but my inlaws are Disney freaks and paid for our wedding in Disney World) wearing a Ravens T-shirt when a woman in line for the bus to the parks shouted “The Ravens Fucking suck, go Steelers” in front of her kids and about 50 others. She at first looked like she regretted the choice, but then her Steeler pride came out and she looked intensely proud of turning my head in disgust.
It definitely goes both ways
Every time I go to the Steelers game in Bmore I run into one drunk asshole or another. Nearly got jumped in the bathroom 3 years ago. Thankfully, I am still quick/fast and managed to escape.
Bad fans exist all across the NFL, Steelers fans might seem worse to you all because you are a Ravens fan and there are a lot of Steelers fans.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
very true
the worst though are Eagles fans.
In every stadium it depends on where you sit. For some reason whenever I get tickets to a Ravens game there seem to be a lot of out-of-towners there, and they act respectfully and don’t get harassed. (Now if they picked a fight I’m sure they’d get one but that’s another story.)
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Yeah, but...
It’s a bit different with Steeler fans in Baltimore.
Because they tend to talk trash because we are rivals and that’s what happens. And because they tend to have a disappointingly high number of fans at M&T Bank.
They don't seem any worse...
Just that they stand out because they are the rival team and both fans are more hostile towards each other than say… Ravens fans and Bucs fans.
I have been to Heinz field while wearing a Ravens jersey and I was treated better than when I did the same at Gillete Stadium during the playoffs last year. I was threatened like 15 times… twice in the bathroom… while peeing, it was wierd. But I am a big enough guy and a bit of an asshole, so I just laugh in their face.
There are really only two steeler fans that I can’t stand… A) The ‘we have 6 rings so you don’t know anything’ fan and B) The obvious bandwagon fan that couldn’t name three starters outside of the obvious top five players.
Well you were beating the crap out of them, so that doesn’t help. I am sure you heard something like “Who do you think you aaaah?”
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It was mostly before the game.
We got there “wicked eaaly” so we drank with some Ravens tailgaters and then a lot more in the stadium (I will give the Pats kudos for beer selection in the stadium though). The trash talking stopped before the 1st quarter was over, then it was more me laughing and them yelling at Bellicheat and Brady.
The one exchange that actually almost came to a physical altercation was over “Captain Defense.” I drunkenly took offense to them making fun of him.
That is one reasons I don't go to games often anymore
I have a choice. Drive 50 miles to go to a game, pay over a hundred for tickets, at least $20 for parking, $6-$8 for a beer, stand in line for 20-30 minutes for an overcooked $5 hotdog or piss in a bathroom that smells like a cess pool, freeze my ass off and have to kick the ass of a fat drunk in a Ravens or Steelers jersey who thinks 6 beers makes him a man. BTW I don’t own a jersey. IMO only girls, women and gender confused men should wear them.
OR
Sit in the warm comfort of my recliner with my buds, eat hot pizza and wings, drink cold beer, laugh a lot and watch the game on a 52 inch high def. It is not a tough decision.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
BTW I don’t own a jersey. IMO only girls, women and gender confused men should wear them.
Which one of those is Carson Palmer?
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
Carson is none of the above.
Carson is the guy who engineered game winning drives last year against the Ravens- uh, twice. Oh and yea, the Steelers two times as well. And he did it with a broken left hand and a douch #2 WR who we couldn’t get out of town fast enough.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Carson is the guy who engineered game winning drives last year against the Ravens- uh, twice. Oh and yea, the Steelers two times as well. And he did it with a broken left hand and a douch #2 WR who we couldn’t get out of town fast enough.
Thanks for the recap. But that conveniently sidesteps the matter of how wearing a jersey somehow makes you less of a man. I’m curious as to how you rationalize the following utterly retarded statement:
IMO only girls, women and gender confused men should wear them.
I wear a Heap jersey on game day to show my support of the Ravens in a city with a very low population of Baltimore fans. Am I gender-confused?
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Football jerseys, IMO,are for football players
I really don’t know if you are gender confused or not but you certainly seem sensitive buy my opinion. Hey, it is just my opinion – it say so right there in my post. If you feel comfortable wearing a Heap jersey by all means go ahead.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
mmmmeh
John you’re usually very thoughtful. But you must be aware that a massive portion of the NFL fanbase owns a jersey of some sort to show support for their team, and I can’t say there’s anything about that that would indicate gender confusion.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I don't wear jerseys but I have a hat is that masculine?
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on May 25, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Carson is also the guy who is entering the back end of his prime yet has never won a playoff game. That’s three less then Joe and a bunch less then Burger but those were some killer wins Carson engineered last season. Maybe in the running for the best wins of his career?
by DT711 on May 24, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What does Flacco have to do with my comments.
I didn’t say anything but that Carson beat you guys twice lat year. That is true. Carson has an 87.9 lifetime rating and Flacco has an 84.9. You and I both know that it was your D that was the decisive factor in the playoff wins. H vae said several time right here on this site that Flacco has probowl potential. I like him as a QB. Maybe he will end up his career better than Carson. Its possible. But he hasn’t done it yet.
Carson is 30 and time will tell but I think is is very possible that his best days are ahead of him. But let us not confuse speculation with fact. We will all know soon enough.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
OK
I thought we were saying a few facts about Carson so I felt like pitching in….
Carson is the guy who engineered game winning drives last year against the Ravens- uh, twice. Oh and yea, the Steelers two times as well.
Carson is also the guy who is entering the back end of his prime yet has never won a playoff game.
Full disclosure… I was at last years Bengals game at M&T which did not end so well, so there might be a bit of bitterness still lingering.
No I am not bitter at all
The Bengals had a good year and injuries just stared taking their toll because we just weren’t deep enough. I was bummed but not bitter. Last year was a rebuilding year. 11 of the 22 starters were either rookies, new to the team or new to their position. They played hard and put it together. I picked the Ravens to take the division last year.
I think I have given the Ravens due respect. You have a very good team and got better over the off season. We have a very good team and got better over the off season. Who is better? Hell, I don’t know and I suspect you don’t either. We will find out in just a few months. We won the division last year and I am proud of it. Tell me what is wrong with that?
You won’t be seeing me post about how great we are and how crappy the Ravens are. Why? Because I want to talk football – not smack.
That does not mean I won’t have some fun and jerk you chain once in a while. Hell, I have a sense of humor. I am a pretty happy guy and far from bitter.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I do feel bad for Palmer
He went to a horribly run team (no offense to any Bengals fans out there but can you argue with that?) that gets in its own way consistently. They typically have horrible lines and schemes in a division known for tough brutal defensive play and bad weather. He has performed well and has as much success as anyone could in that situation.
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on May 25, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW I don’t own a jersey. IMO only girls, women and gender confused men should wear them.
This is one of the most ignorantly stupid comments I have ever seen. So every player in the NFL is one of the above?
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok I will ammend my statement and state the obvious
IMO football players, girls, women and gender confused males should wear them. Jerseys on male fans are just a bit “jock sniffy” for me. But that is just me. I said IMO – that means “in my opinion”. Man it sure doesn’t take too much to get your panties in a bunch does it? It kinda reminds me of something – uh – what was it? Oh yea – a woman.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
I wouldn't expect anything different from a guy stuck in Utah
I spent a week there once. No it was just a day – it only seemed like a week.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Yup, you got me there…..? Who could take anything a guy from Utah says seriously right?
"I kill myself in small amounts"
Utah is for girls, women, and gender-confused males. It’s just my opinion, though, so you’ll look ridiculous if you disagree with me.
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by Ampallang on May 24, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1 lol
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, that hurt
I guess I won’t get invited to corn husking festival and hog calling contest. Huh?
Take my word for it you do not need any help from me to look ridiculous. That jersey is all you need.
I just love messing with you guys. You are so easily outraged. One of my employees just came in and asked:
Hey, boss, whats so funny? I had him read this and before woy know it I have a half dozen guys in here laughing their asses off. We work hard here so it is good to have some comic relief. Thanks.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Oh yeah?!?! Well I had 30 dozen guys read your comment and they all laughed 3 times harder than your friends did.
We win.
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You are so easily outraged.
I’m not seeing any outrage here. I see fans of half the teams in the AFC North laughing at your ridiculous opinions.
Men wearing jerseys are gender-confused? Disregarding somebody’s comment because of where they live? I’m eagerly waiting in over-sensitive outrage for your next bit of argumentative gold.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
Guys, it is a slow time in the off season
I am just jerking your chain. Do you really think I give a chili bean fart about what you wear or what state you are from? Good grief. get a sense of humor. I’m just messing with you.
I think if you read my posts on other threads you will see that I come here to talk football and not smack. There is nothing going on and I am just having some fun with you. I never in a million years expected you guys would actually get this worked up over such a meaningless issue.
I must admit though it was fun for a while – then it jsut got boring.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Gotcha
well played
"I kill myself in small amounts"
by StuckInUtah on May 24, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool, Stuck
My company actually has a supplier in DesMoines. I go out there a couple of times a year and have a good time and eat in a couple of great restaurants.
Man I can’t wait for training camp.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
you sound like the one with your panties in a bunch right now
the rest of us are just confused as to how you could think wearing a Jersey makes you a girly man. We understand the “IMO” part, it’s just that your opinion makes no sense at all.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
+1 lol
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by Zachary Beard on May 24, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This is such a moronic comment that I am literally speechless. I am dumbfounded about how you back it up too. “Jock sniffy”? That is like saying because you like the Bengals I believe that you are infatuated with Bengals, a bit too “fur sniffy” for me.
…Really?
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The difference is I don't wear a jersey so I can pretend.........
in my own little mind that I am one of them. Do you wear the matching stockings and jock strap too? Maybe shoulder pads and the black under your eyes? Someone brought me a jersey once and I gave it to my wife. I do however wear a Bengals cap but not the helmet.
Wear the jersey if you want to. I am sure it looks sweet on you.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
The difference is I don't root for the Bengals so I can pretend....
in my own little mind that I am one of them. Do you wear a furry bengals outfit too when you are chasing down Bengals on the safari? Maybe a bit of musky ‘sex bengal’ to attract the female bengals to you. Someone bought me a Bengal once and I gave it to the zoo. I do however wear the color orange for the O’s, but not with stripes.
Wear the bengals stuff if you want to, I am sure you love your relations with Bengals.
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
NO, I just wear my bengals cap. BTW Johnny what are you 12?
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Nice comeback.
And you are totally missing the point of my argument here.
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I know which one I would rather sniff though honestly...
Good bye Big Walt.
by Generzal Zod on May 25, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I Do not Know
How proud I would be of punching someone, especially a minor, even if they are a squealer fan…
yeah don't do that anymore...
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
You are a hell of a man Warrior.
If I ever see a kid that needs to be beat up. I know who to call. I can see how someone can be drunk and do something stupid but I can’t understand how someone can be so proud of that they brag. IMO that is something to be ashamed of. Maybe you should get some alcohol counseling. Maybe you should change youe screen neame to “Baltimore I Am So Tough I Can Beat Up A Little Kid Guy”
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
How about
If you need any act of violence perpetrated you keep it local in Cinncy…
http://www.walletpop.com/insurance/most-dangerous-neighborhoods/
I have not since HS been involved in violence except in self defence
I don’t live in Cincy and I do not perpetrate violence or condone it. I spent 8 years as an Army Ranger and spent 3 tours in Vietnam. I have seen enough of it. Most guys who want to fight havn’t fought a Ranger, Seal or Recon Marine. We can be violent but are probably among the most peaceful among us. We see the meaninglessness and stupidity of it. It is ok if these idiots who are still trying to prove their manhood beat on each other as far as I am concerned as long as they don’t involve me, people I care about or kids.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
yeah man don't punch kids.
that’s really really not OK and I would have no problem with you getting arrested for that.
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Isn’t Baltimore Warrior also a juvenile? I’m under the impression that it wasn’t like McLovin getting leveled in Superbad; it was more like one little kid sucker-punching another. Not that I’m trying to rationalize it. I would have been more amenable to it if Baltimore Warrior had waited until the Steeler fan wasn’t looking and then tackled him.
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duno, how old is he?
"Cam, we're not going to have any issues because we're going to be winning."
--Joe Flacco
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I don't know if he is juvenile or not - I just know his post was.
Assuming he is old enough to buy the Heinie he is old enough to know better. My guess would be poor parental guidance.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
not really, My bro is 23
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by Zachary Beard on May 24, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and it was one
Notice how I said “A little bit of”
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by Zachary Beard on May 24, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It isn't like Ravens guy to hit someone when they aren't looking
That is more of a Heinz Ward thing or a VonOlhoffen thing. They give you a cheap shot and laugh about it. The Ravens will give you an a bit an over the top hit but at least they do it to your face. It isn’t necessarily effective and sometimes it backfires on them but there isn’t anything cowardly about it.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Yeah I like it how Terrel Suggs and Bart Scott used to tap QB’s on the shoulder to make sure they had time to turn around before they tried to snap them in half. It was classy.
There’s a reason they call it the blindside, doesn’t make a LB less of a man for hitting the QB.
Everyone likes to rip on Ward for hitting people who aren’t looking. There’s this thing called field awareness, they should look into it.
by Phantaskippy on May 24, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What should football players do when the other guy is looking the other way? Tap him on the shoulder? “Hey Dude, I am about to tackle you!”
Hilarious that you are still sour about Rivers’ glass jaw and Carson Palmer’s bum knee. Both were legal hits at the time.
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I just love it when Steeler fans make my point.
This guys seems to think that breaking a mans jaw when he isn’t looking and sending a 2nd rate lineman after a QBs knees isn’t just funny. It is hilarious. Suggs and Scott don’t go for his head or his knees. They they have the ability to hit hard and clean. I never had any problem with the force of Ward’s hit it was going for his head and then saying he didn’t mean to. I don’t have a problem with tackling Carson hard but to deliberately go for his knees is wrong. Please don’t bore me with excuses like “he was blocked into him” or “he didn’t mean it”. Both shots looked pretty intentional to me. Ward saw a chance to try to hurt Rivers and he took it. Pittsburg wanted Carson out of the game and they made it happen. The league saw it and changed the rules about blows to the head and the Brady rule which should have been called the Palmer rule.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
The league saw it and changed the rules about blows to the head and the Brady rule which should have been called the Palmer rule.
You have to have a playoff win to have a rule named after you.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
Thanks Amp. That explains it.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
This guys seems to think that breaking a mans jaw when he isn’t looking and sending a 2nd rate lineman after a QBs knees isn’t just funny. It is hilarious.
When did I say that? If you would read like an educated person you would see that I find it hilarious that you are still crying about it, not that they got injured. I am someone who hates Tom Brady, but I nearly got in a fight with some fans at a bar because they cheered when he got injured. I think celebrating injuries is classless and low.
Anyway, are you really making any arguments using the Ravens, the most penalized team in the league, as evidence? In the word of a famous internet meme, “FAIL!”
Ward saw an opportunity to make a hit and went for it. I am not sure if you have ever played a contact sport, but when you hit someone, you are not thinking about how lightly you can do it or if they will get injured. You just hit them with everything you have. That’s it. Ward did not intentionally hurt him. He just hit him legally under the rules of the NFL.
As far as Vonolhoffen goes, he was going after Palmer and got pushed down. I thought I even recalled Palmer saying he held nothing against him and thought it was an accident. Might have to look that one up for ya.
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, ok, anything you say.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Game. Set. Match. John with the ‘ny’
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by John Stephens on May 24, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm 17 so it really isn't that big of an age difference
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by Zachary Beard on May 24, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
* 18 in a month
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by Zachary Beard on May 24, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s right, though. Punching someone while drunk isn’t something to be proud of… you’re not even old enough to be drinking.
It was only one
and the kid seriously got up into my face out of nowhere and started yelling at me. He was asking for it.
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by Zachary Beard on May 24, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually it was like a couple sips than I spilled it because of the kid coming out of nowhere
And I don’t do it but like once every 3 moths or so.
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by Zachary Beard on May 24, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Youth is Wasted on the Young
Walk away. Laugh at him. Pull a Cyrano de Bergerac and respond with some witty repartee. If he gets in your face, so what? He may laugh, point, call you names, big deal -you will never see this flaming hemorrhoid again in your life -he will have no bearing on you or your future. I think JJ (and I hate using a Bengal fan, but he did serve honorably*, so that trumps all) would say the same thing. In fact, in situations like this, he would probably tell you time and space are your friend. Like I said, walk away, put distance between him and you -people like that are easily distracted and they will move on to the next “shiny” thing that grabs their attention.
Now, he touches you, pushes you, that is completely different and he has crossed the Rubicon -then you unload on him like a veritable ton of bricks -you do not stop until someone pulls you off him. I do not know for sure, but I am pretty sure JJ, being the SF vet that he is would say the same thing.
*This being Memorial Day weekend, a special “Thanks!” to JingleJohn and all the vets who allow us to live in a country where we can have blogs and say whatever we want, worship however we please, and associate with whomever we want- G-d bless you all and thanks!
I got it the second time I read it. It seems we agree.
BTW I like your sig. As a Bengals fan I wish it weren’t so true.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
But when a Browns fan comes in, it will be:
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