Ravens Draft Sleepers
We've already seen the profiles for the newest Baltimore Ravens from the 2010 NFL Draft last week, but while we mostly heard about on our first two selections, Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody, the "sleepers" of this draft will be coming out of the Day 3 picks, where the "steals" of the draft will be talked about as the season progresses.
For the Ravens, the guy who being spoken about that may fit this bill is Syracuse DT Arthur Jones. Jones was the Ravens 5th round pick and was largely unknown by most casual fans, as were most picks after the 2nd or 3rd rounds. However, Jones' name would have been well known had he come out of college after the 2008 season. Unfortunately, he chose to stay in school and after an injury-marred and relatively unimpressive 2009 season, he slipped to the later rounds. His loss was the Ravens gain, and now he adds additional depth to the already deep interior of the defensive line.
Some NFL scouts say that based on Jones' 2008 season, when he had 60 tackles, including 13 tackles for losses and 3.5 sacks, being named to the 1st team All-Big East, he might have gone as high as a late-1st round or early-2nd round in the 2009 NFL Draft. The one specific game that put him on the map was at Notre Dame, when he had 15 tackles, including four tackles for losses totaling 20 yards and 1.5 sacks for 20 yards.
At 6''3" and 301 pounds, he is a big body, although nowhere near the size of the mammoth guys named Haloti Ngata (340 pounds) and Terrence Cody (350 pounds). However, the athleticism of Jones allows him to play a lot bigger than his "diminutive" size in comparison, and he could develop into a starter if he recovers from his injuries and returns to his junior season form.
The Ravens other 5th round pick, WR David Reed (Utah) is seemingly average sized for a wideout, standing 6'0" and 191 pounds, but he plays much larger. Not afraid of contact over the middle of the field, Reed takes the hits and continues downfield for the yards after the catch that can make the difference in the game. Reed had 81 receptions in 2009, after setting the JuCo receiving record with 111 receptions before moving over to Division 1 football two years ago. He was named to the All-Mountain West Conference 1st team at both WR and kick returner, which should allow him to parlay his value to the Ravens in both areas.
Everyone knows how good the early picks in the draft have been in their college careers and should be in the NFL. However, it is players like both Arthur Jones and David Reed that can make the difference for a team's success as these little known guys seem to always show up for the Ravens and are a major reason while our General Manager Ozzie Newsome has earned his reputation as the 'Wizard of Oz.' Jones and Reed plan to confirm that rep starting with the team's mini-camp next weekend.
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I'm a BIGMON fan myself.
" Surgeon General's Warning: Do not stare directly at Al Davis. Do not think about Al Davis. Do not make any sudden movements when near Al Davis."
--Simmons
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Check out his Facebook page
and you can join it!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 1, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out his Facebook page
and you can join it!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 1, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Ramon-BigMon-Harewood/283594083408?ref=ts
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
whyyyyyy does the news have to slow down so much?
booooooooooooorrrrrrrrring
" Surgeon General's Warning: Do not stare directly at Al Davis. Do not think about Al Davis. Do not make any sudden movements when near Al Davis."
--Simmons
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Post-draft lull
Mini-camp starts next Friday, so much more coming then.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 1, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
And how come www.BaltimoreRavens.com has not shown us any press conference videos introducing Kindle and Cody? They do it every year for our top pick or picks. Guess cause they were in the 2nd round.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Poor, poor,..
…Marcus Smith, Justin Harper, Eron Riley, and even Mark Clayton.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 1, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor, poor,..
…Marcus Smith, Justin Harper, Eron Riley, and even Mark Clayton.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 1, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm tired of all of them, except for (Eron Riley)
They all had chances, and they all disappointed, it’s time someone fresh had a chance, and I commend Ozzie for having the judgment to realize that, and bring in a rookie that can progress over his career.
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Mark can stay because he knows our system and would be a good #4 and possible replacement if Boldin, Mason, or Stallworth go down. So it would be smart to keep him. But Smith, Harper and Wheelwright can get on out of here.
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I mean either hold onto clayton as a #4 or 5 WR or trade him for a 3rd next year.
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you mean a 3rd round draft pick?
The GM that pulled that one would be laughed out of the league. I can’t see a team giving us more than a 6th for him…
by 60minuteassassin on May 1, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, he hasn't sucked throughout his career
He has been a little bit above average, and seeing all of the new additions this year, he wouldn’t fit in our system anymore. I could see a 3rd or 4th for him.
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If Holmes went for a 5th
and all we gave up for Boldin was a 3rd and 4th, then Clayton is worthy of a 6th at best.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 1, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
at best.
at this point teams may be expecting him to get cut which makes him worth a 0th round pick.
" Surgeon General's Warning: Do not stare directly at Al Davis. Do not think about Al Davis. Do not make any sudden movements when near Al Davis."
--Simmons
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Much rather have Marcus Smith than Clayton
because he is a demon on ST and Clayton won’t play a down there.
Marcus Smith can't stay healthy.
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's his 3rd year!
And he had one injury…. last year. How is that enough to say he can’t stay healthy from one year. Todd Heap… that’s a guy who can’t stay healthy.
True, but even if he does make the team he would be like #5-6 WR
We have an abundance of WRs,. I like that problem.
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice job catching yourself on that “he can’t stay healthy” comment. Smith’s injury was a freak injury of the knee. Yes, Heap is a guy who cannot stay healthy. Big difference between shredding your knee apart and missing games because of a tummy ache (Heap).
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I think raven called him toddles
is because he’s a baby. That is all I have to say in this comment.
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
when...
did marcus smith have a chance? he looked good last year but then got injured for the year…
by Rayisyourdaddy on May 3, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Marcus Smith played in five regular season games and all three postseason games in his rookie year. Against the Steelers in the AFC Championship, he drew a pass interference call in the end zone that set us up for a TD on the next play. He also led the team with three special teams tackles in that game.
In his rookie season, Eron Riley couldn’t even crack the lineup in what was widely believed to be among the worst receiving corps in the league.
What I’d like to know is what is so special about Eron Riley that gives him a pass when someone that’s done more for the team in the same amount of time (Smith sat out his second year with an injury) should be cut? If it’s the eye test, I’m going to be swayed more by the coaches and front office than Monday morning quarterbacks.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
by Ampallang on May 3, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Riley is a wait and see guy
and he gets some time bought for him by the fact that he’s so damn fast and his arms are long. But he’s probably PS again this year.
" Surgeon General's Warning: Do not stare directly at Al Davis. Do not think about Al Davis. Do not make any sudden movements when near Al Davis."
--Simmons
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
but if you ask Baltimore Warrior,
He can be compared to Larry Fitzgerald. “The man is a monster,” writes Warrior, with the unfounded conviction of a Chinese government spokesperson. Not only is he a lock as a member of the final 53; but he can also be counted on for a breakout year and a strong push for the Pro Bowl.
" Surgeon General's Warning: Do not stare directly at Al Davis. Do not think about Al Davis. Do not make any sudden movements when near Al Davis."
--Simmons
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
That is exactly what is going to happen.
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by Zachary Beard on May 3, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ampallang
Thanks for pointing that out! I totally forgot about his impact on ST in his rookie year. He was one of our best STers, and I remember Harbaugh lamenting the loss on ST when he went down with his injury last year.
by Rayisyourdaddy on May 3, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Mr MaLoR mentioned just a little while ago in another thread that the loss of Smith, Nakamura, and Ayanbadejo were pretty rough on our Special Teams production.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
Even without those guys, we were still really strong on ST. Can’t wait to see that group healthy next year.
BA, Ruki, Smith, Zbi, Barnes, McClain, Burgess, Kindle, Reed, Cary Williams and so many others.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Reed
I hope you mean the receiver. The last thing we need is for Ed to retire to the MLB mid-season because of a Special Teams accident.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
the learning curve is steep
At Wr, and btw, no one on our team caught too many passes in 2008, we were too busy ramming the ball down people’s throats. Notice how no one caught many balls that year outside of clayton, mason and heap! we only had 261 receptions the whole year.
Last year, he would have had the chance to get on the field as the #3 or 4 WR, but he got injured before the season started.
by Rayisyourdaddy on May 3, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
3rd next year
do not believe we can get a third next year for him.
Then what compensation do you foresee for him?
With Boldin, Stallworth, and Reed coming in, he just doesn’t fit our system anymore.
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
An unproven rookie fits our system more than a guy who has been with us for 5 years? I think Clayton fits our system just fine still. He is a possession WR that we can definitely still use. I think it would be dumb to trade him for a pick in next year’s draft. He is more valuable for us right now than he is in the future. Only way I see Clayton being traded is if a player is involved in the deal, IE for a CB.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Nnmadi and a 5th?
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Al Davis is the GM it could happen...
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
A top 3 CB in the NFL for a guy who is no better than a #3 WR right now? Hmmm, no even Al Davis is not that senile to pull that one off.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
One can only hope he is......
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
All Clayton is,
is D-Mase-lite!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on May 1, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
more like Odoul's Lite
" Surgeon General's Warning: Do not stare directly at Al Davis. Do not think about Al Davis. Do not make any sudden movements when near Al Davis."
--Simmons
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Clayton
I agree that he doesn’t fit our system (mainly because doesn’t get seperation and disappears for games at a time). I just don’t see a team giving up a middle round pick for him that’s all.
by 60minuteassassin on May 1, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I again disagree that Clayton doesn’t fit our system. I think he fits it fine, and I could not ask for a better slot WR than Clayton. Between him and Stallworth rotating at the #3 spot, I think it will be alot easier for him to get open against the defenses #3 or #4 CB. Don’t sleep on Clayton this year. He will definitely make some huge catches for us.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
He makes all of the jump balls, but he's just very inconsistant
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He has his games. I think he will be a great contributor this year. If Boldin, Mason, or Stalloworth were to go down this year, who would you trust to step in besides Clayton that is on our team? Williams, Riley, Harper, Smith? Sure, we are all high on these guys, but they have not proven themselves nearly as much as Clayton has.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
True, the ony one on that list that I like is Riley.
I saw him in the Pre-season game against the Panthers last year, and he has speed and size, and he knows where the ball is. I remember the 60+ yard reception.
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, how great would it be if Riley just exploded out of no where? It is real funny that we are all so high on a guy who came from such a bad football program based on his youtube highlights. I hope he is the 6th WR to make this team over Williams, Harper and Smith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dNr0XBIADE
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
God forbid Williams makes the team agoin. He needs to be released
OI would love to see Riley be lie Miles Austin last year, step into the role immediately and effectively.
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He won’t step in like that right away over Mason, Boldin and Stallworth. But I could definitely see him doing something for us down the road.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
When mason retires, he will leave room for one of our endless supply of PS Wrs to step it up
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That's who he reminds me of.
He started off his career slowly, and proved himself as a dominant WR in the NFL. I would love to see Riley do that as well.
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is only a matter of years
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Watch him get cut. Harper will make the team after having 7 drops in 2 games.
Boldin, Mason, Stallworth, Clayton, Riley, Reed is my ideal WR group on the 53 man roster next year. Probably won’t happen though. Harbaugh loves Williams because he has the heart of a lion and plays with swords and shovels.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
His hands are like Swords and Shovels
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
plays with swords and shovels
in a little sandbox in his backyard when he goes on IR and sits at home
" Surgeon General's Warning: Do not stare directly at Al Davis. Do not think about Al Davis. Do not make any sudden movements when near Al Davis."
--Simmons
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
The man is a monster
He is very Fitzgerald-y, he’s elusive in the open field, he’s athletic, and has the speed and hands to be successful in the NFL
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Overstatement of the century?
He is very Fitzgerald-y
" Surgeon General's Warning: Do not stare directly at Al Davis. Do not think about Al Davis. Do not make any sudden movements when near Al Davis."
--Simmons
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
It’s BW man, the same guy who thinks Jarrett Johnson needs to be benched for Paul Kruger.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Still, even by BW standards.
Overstatement of the Century.
" Surgeon General's Warning: Do not stare directly at Al Davis. Do not think about Al Davis. Do not make any sudden movements when near Al Davis."
--Simmons
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Am I matching the comments up right? BW called Eron Riley “Fitzgeraldy”?
BW pass me whatever you’re smoking, that must be some good shit.
It's called "Orioles are going to the world series"
I’ve been smoking this false-advertisement for the last 20 years
F*****T is offensive, even when blanked out, who knew?
by Zachary Beard on May 3, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I should change my username to Al Davis 2.0
F*****T is offensive, even when blanked out, who knew?
by Zachary Beard on May 3, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't get me started on that again
He’s a good player, but he will be better at DE. I thought he could play anywhere, but I re-watched that Steelers game, and he looked like a deer in headlights, except for the INT at the end.
F*****T is offensive, even when blanked out, who knew?
by Zachary Beard on May 3, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That's my compensation for not having Boldin's Counterpiece
I would love to have Fitzgerald.
F*****T is offensive, even when blanked out, who knew?
by Zachary Beard on May 3, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
or anyone like him
F*****T is offensive, even when blanked out, who knew?
by Zachary Beard on May 3, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
its time to let him go, he has been in our system now for what four years. He hasnt produced, its time for someone else to step in and handle business.
by Raven_all_day on May 2, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
More on Clayton
I am assuming you mean you could not ask for a better slot WR out of the eligible candidates on our team, because I could think of dozens across the league that I would rather have. You very well may be right, and for the record, I hope that you are, but from what I have seen of him over the past 5 seasons, I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t see much of the field…
by 60minuteassassin on May 2, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really looking forward to seeing our defense rape everyone next year
we made our pass-rush 5 times better this off-season.
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A huge part of our pass rush improving is going to rest on Kruger as well. Better hope your boy steps it up at DE, because Kindle is not going to see the field THAT much.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I would love to see him be a beast a DE, he just needs to put on about 5-10 more pounds of muscle
He’s kind of a tweener right now.
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He has already put weight on.
One of Paul Kruger’s goals for next season is to see more playing time, and in order to do that, the Ravens want him to gain weight and be more of a defensive lineman.
As he recently weighed in at an official 270 pounds, consider a big first step conquered.
After playing last year at 260 and even as low as 250 pounds in college, Kruger believes he is carrying the weight well.
"I feel good at this point, but I can definitely tell [I have added pounds]," Kruger said. "Like during conditioning drills, when I’m running, I can feel the extra weight. Luckily, this is the time of year where we’re all getting into shape for the season. It’s just going to take me some time to where I’m as explosive as I can be."
It has been a process for Kruger that goes back to his early days at Utah. He entered school as a quarterback in 2004 before going on a two-year LDS service mission and then switching to defensive end from 2007-08.
Now, the 6-foot-4 Kruger is bulking up even more.
"I don’t feel like I have added any fat, it’s more strength and muscle," he said. "It’s more in the upper body."
Ravens strength and conditioning coach Bob Rogucki said he has seen a change in Kruger during Baltimore’s voluntary offseason conditioning program.
"He’s a lean body anyway," Rogucki said. "But he can handle it. We’re putting on smart weight with Paul. You have to remember, this guy was a quarterback once."
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If he can get to 280 before the season, he will definately get some playing time
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets not get ahead of ourselves. 280 might be a stretch. Adding 20 pounds to his frame might be a little too much. I think 275 will be his max. Don’t want to lose that speed. Regardless, I think we see a huge contribution from Kruger this year. Very excited to see that. Ngata, Cody, Kruger is definitely the future front in this 3-4 defense.
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Pryce's replacement?
I think he will fit in perfectly as a LE. He has the speed, he just needs the strength.
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Fizzle back to Sizzle?
Suggs in shape will also play a huge role in our pass rush.
by 60minuteassassin on May 1, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions
Well of course. If he has less than 10 sacks this year I will be very, very upset. $67 million needs to equal 12-15 sacks from him.
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I can see 9-12 out of him
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He better hit double digits. I will be willing to trade him if he comes up with another 5 sack season. He might have had some struggles with injury last year, but alot of that can be avoided by working hard in the off-season, something he has never done while being in Baltimore until now it seems.
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He needs to get in shape
That’s our defense in a nut-shell, he’s always been a good contributor, but it seems that after we re-signed him to a big contract, he got lazy. I f he gets 10+ sacks next year we will have a great team. And he needs to realize that he is Ray’s stress ball, he takes care of whatever the old man can’t,
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by Zachary Beard on May 1, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
8-12 is realistic
You have to realize he does alot more on the field than guys like Freeney who’s only job is to rush the passer. Suggs also sinks back into coverage and plays zone, so he has less opportunities for sacks than a guy like Freeney.
by Rayisyourdaddy on May 3, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But look at guys like Damarcus Ware, James Harrison and those guys. They play the exact same position and 10 sacks is a bad year for them. If his sack totals are lower because of him dropping in coverage, then we need to fix that and have someone else cover his area. Suggs strong point is pass rushing, and I demand he do that as much as possible. We are paying him 67 million to put up 12-15 sacks, not 8 sacks and a good job covering the RB when he comes out the back field.
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lol Malor!
You can demand all you want, but it aint gonna happen.
Look at his stats: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6346/career;_ylt=AqdXX6vdreAFR0pJwlYiqkH.uLYF
1st 2-3 years, his main responsibility was rushing the passer in the 4-3, and he was good for 12, 10.5 and 8 sacks. He only totalled 8 PD in those 3 years. After that, we moved to a 3-4 and he became an OLB/DE hybrid, and averaged over the next 4 years approx 7 sacks and 7 PD each season. So if you are expecting more than 6-10 sacks from him for the money, then we never should have signed him for that much. He has never produced that many (13+) sacks in this defense, and he probably never will. That said, increased pass rush on the other side should put him in the position for a couple more sacks this year, which is why I predict he will be around 10, or as my prediction stated, 8-12 sacks.
by Rayisyourdaddy on May 3, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm fine with 10 sacks
but it has occurred to me that perhaps Kindle might actually threaten Suggs if Suggs isn’t producing as much over the next few years…
" Surgeon General's Warning: Do not stare directly at Al Davis. Do not think about Al Davis. Do not make any sudden movements when near Al Davis."
--Simmons
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
I will be willing to trade him if he comes up with another 5 sack season.
not sure you’ll be able to trade him if he has another 5-sack season. look at that contract! he better snap out of it because we DID just draft a guy that could potentially replace him if he doesn’t turn it on again…
" Surgeon General's Warning: Do not stare directly at Al Davis. Do not think about Al Davis. Do not make any sudden movements when near Al Davis."
--Simmons
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden







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