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Football 101: The Ravens' Hybrid Defense

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Over the last decade, the Ravens have possessed one of the strongest and most intimidating defenses in the NFL. It has been built around Ray Lewis, one of the best linebackers and defenders in NFL history, but Lewis is only a part of Baltimore’s complex defensive system that has become known as "Organized Chaos." 

What makes the Ravens' defensive machine work, and why has it been successful for so long? In truth, the Ravens have not been running the same defensive scheme during their entire successful reign, which includes a Super Bowl victory in 2001.  Under Marvin Lewis (1996-2001), the Ravens ran a more conventional 4-3 defense. The 4-3 defense allowed Ray Lewis, in his prime, to roam the field from sideline to sideline and put the burden of success squarely on his shoulders. Now, Lewis didn’t do it alone. The Ravens' defensive line in those days was very impressive too, but the factor that made the Ravens' defense special and dominating was the elite talent of Ray Lewis. 

As Lewis aged, he wasn’t able to cover the entire field, and the Ravens' defense needed to evolve. They had the perfect solution… the 3-4 defense. The 3-4 defense took pressure off Lewis, but still allowed him to dominate in run defense. The Ravens have never really used a conventional 3-4 defense. In fact, the Ravens never really switched to a 3-4 defense per se. It was a slow metamorphosis that started with Mike Nolan’s innovations and was ultimately perfected by Rex Ryan. Even today, the Ravens do not run a strict 3-4 defense. The system that they pioneered has become known as a "hybrid" defense because of its ability to shift between 3-4 and 4-3 looks. 

In this article, we’re going to get an overview of the Ravens' hybrid defense. The system is so complex that a complete analysis could fill many hundred pages, but an overview should help everyone understand the basic principles behind this highly innovative and effective defensive scheme. We’ll look at the different positions and the preferred player types and hopefully, discover the factors that make the hybrid defense successful.  

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The 3-4 Defense [Refer to Fig. 1 & 2]. 

The Ravens' hybrid defense was derived from the 3-4 defense [Figure 1]. Therefore, it’s logical to start with an overview of the 3-4. The "3-4" refers to the front seven defenders, three defensive lineman and four linebackers. Among the three defensive linemen, the lineman in the center is called a nose tackle (NT). The linemen on either side of him are called defensive ends. The defensive end to the left is called the left defensive end (LDE), and the one on the right is the right defensive end (RDE). The four linebackers are called, from left to right on the defensive side, the left outside linebacker (LOLB), the left inside linebacker (LILB), the right inside linebacker (RILB) and the right outside linebacker (ROLB). In the secondary, there are four defensive backs, two cornerbacks and two safeties. For the sake of simplicity, we’re only going to examine the front seven defenders in this article. 

In general, the front seven players in a 3-4 are going to be bigger and stronger than those in a 4-3 defense. The three down linemen are charged with stopping the run on every down. This is unlike the 4-3 because 4-3 defensive ends typically rush the passer and penetrate the backfield on every down. The 3-4 defensive linemen will need to take on and defeat blocks in the running more often than their 4-3 counterparts. The linebackers also need to be bigger and stronger. Since there is a large space between the nose tackle and the defensive ends, the inside linebackers need to fill the A gaps and take on blockers more than a 4-3 middle linebacker. Like the nose tackle, the outside linebackers are a key position in the 3-4 defense. They are usually called "tweeners" because they are athletes with measurables that fall between a typical linebacker and a defensive end. The 3-4 outside linebacker will also take on more responsibility in run defense and will need to play with outside leverage when pass rushing. 

Before we discuss positional functions further, we should take a minute to understand the defensive line techniques. This isn’t entirely necessary in order to understand the basics of a defense, so feel free to skip this section if you want. The term "technique" is a bit misleading because it does NOT refer to techniques that a player uses when playing defensive line. The techniques are part of a numbering system [Figure 2] that designates where defensive linemen are located pre-snap and ultimately determines which gap or gaps a defensive lineman is responsible for. The numbering system shown is not the only one out there. Many teams use their own variation, but the system shown is the most common. 

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How do you actually use the technique system to determine where defensive linemen are located pre-snap? Here’s an example… If a defensive lineman is playing the five technique, he is lined up on the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle. Playing the five technique, the lineman is closest to the B and C gaps. Therefore, he is expected to defend these gaps. On passing downs, a five technique defensive end is expected to rush the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle. As you can see, the alignment of the technique not only tells you where the lineman is located, but it also infers run defense and pass rushing responsibilities. Here’s another example… A nose tackle in a 3-4 defense typically plays the zero technique. Since he’s lined up directly over the center, he must defend both A gaps in the offensive line. That leads us to the next point. 

In a 3-4 defense, the nose tackle is generally considered the most important position and is one of the most physically demanding positions in all football. Since playing nose tackle is such a physically demanding job, good nose tackles are rare. They must be extremely large, strong and athletic. That is a very hard combination to find. The nose tackle is expected to demand a double or triple team on every play. In fact, that is the most important goal of every defensive lineman in the 3-4 defense. The entire defense relies on the defensive line to demand four or, preferably, five offensive linemen on every play. Again, this is the most important factor in the success of the defense and is also why the nose tackle is so important. The nose tackle should demand two blockers on every play and the defensive ends should require three blockers between the two of them. Therefore, the entire offensive line is required to contain three defensive linemen. This is where the 3-4 becomes deadly and its strength apparent. When working correctly, the 3-4 wins with numbers. By requiring five players to block three, the defense has effectively added two players to their defense. In reality, the defense won’t actually be playing with two extra players but theoretically, they should be able to blitz five defenders with two coming free of the offensive line. The defense could also drop an extra defender into coverage with no loss in pressure. We’re talking about theoretical and general situations, but these concepts have been proven on real defenses. 

Overall, the 3-4 defense is most effective when the front three defenders can stop the run and tie up blockers. The only problem is that the defensive linemen in a 3-4 aren’t usually good pass rushers since players who can stop the run are typically very big. There are defensive linemen who are capable of dominating the five technique, the technique that most 3-4 defensive ends play, but they are rare because the player needs to be stout against the run and quick enough to rush the passer. An excellent five technique defensive end may be harder to find than an excellent nose tackle. Many teams will put big, run-stuffing defensive tackles at defensive end. This typically works because the primary goal of the defensive line is stopping the run and eating blocks. Therefore, the defensive tackle route is usually effective and cheap. However, if the defense doesn’t have at least one penetrating defensive lineman in the front three, pressuring the quarterback will be much harder and the defense will be forced to bring extra blitzers. That obviously negates the effectiveness of the entire scheme. 

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The Hybrid Defense [Refer to Fig. 3 & 4]. 

The weakness of the 3-4 defense is apparent in its design. The large gaps between the nose tackle and the defensive ends make the defense susceptible to the inside, power running game. With an excellent nose tackle versus an average offensive line, this weakness is negligible. When playing against a power running team with an offensive line that’s on par with the defensive line, the 3-4 defense is at a serious disadvantage, and the lineman will wear out throughout the course of a game. This causes the entire defense to fail since the linebackers will need to commit to run defense, and that opens up the passing game for the offense. 

This flaw was an inherent weakness of the 3-4 defense and the reason why most teams ran 4-3 defenses for many years. In the 1970’s, the system was refined by Hank Bullough, the defensive coordinator for New England at the time. He devised a tactic where the defensive line would shift to the strong side of the formation and the linebackers would shift to the weak side of the formation. This innovative tactic was called the "scissor" [Figure 3]. Originally, the idea was to simply counter the offense on the strong side of the formation where teams usually ran the ball. However, it became the next evolution of the 3-4 defense and the birth of the hybrid defense. 

In effect, the shifting of the front seven created a 4-3 defense on the field without switching personnel [Figure 4]. The only problem was that the outside linebacker on the weak side needed to play defensive end. Because of that, the weak side linebacker became the first true hybrid player. The weak side outside linebacker in the hybrid defense needs to be an excellent athlete. Much like an excellent five technique defensive end, the hybrid outside linebacker needs to be strong against the run and quick in rushing the passer. Much like a 4-3 defensive end, he’s a true edge rusher and needs to be much faster than a 3-4 defensive end. Since he’ll still be playing linebacker in 3-4 looks, he will also be expected to be good in coverage. When you factor in all of those responsibilities and requirements, it’s easy to see why the hybrid outside linebacker is the key to the hybrid defense. 

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The Ravens defense is the best and most obvious example of the hybrid defense. Most teams running the 3-4 defense will give 4-3 looks from time to time, but no other team in the league does it as often and effectively as the Ravens. The Ravens actually have several hybrid players in their front seven. Haloti Ngata is probably the most talented player that the Ravens currently have on their defense and is a perfect example of a hybrid defensive lineman. When the defense shifts from a 3-4 to a 4-3 [Figure 3], one of the defensive ends will shift inside and play defensive tackle. In many cases the nose tackle will shift to the three technique and the defensive end will shift to play the one technique, the technique that a 4-3 nose tackle will line up at. As you can see, at least one of the defensive ends needs to be capable of playing defensive tackle and nose tackle in the hybrid defense. Luckily for the Ravens, Ngata can play any position along the defensive line. Therefore, he makes the perfect hybrid defensive end. On the other side of the line, the defensive end doesn’t need to be as talented since he will rarely be asked to play any position except defensive end. 

At outside linebacker, the Ravens have even more flexibility with Jarrett Johnson and Terrell Suggs. Terrell Suggs is widely considered the prototypical hybrid outside linebacker, and Johnson is a versatile defender who played defensive end in college. Both players are excellent run defenders and are almost as strong as defensive ends. They are also very good pass rushers with Suggs being the elite edge rusher. These two players allow the Ravens defense to shift to either side of the offense. This ability gives the defense an extreme edge in unpredictability. Since the pass rush can be coming off either edge, the quarterback will find it difficult to make pre-snap reads because he cannot tell which defender is blitzing or which defender is dropping into coverage. That’s the obvious advantage. Another advantage is in run defense. With two athletic outside linebackers who are very effective in run defense, the offense will find it almost impossible to run outside the tackles. This forces the offense to turn all runs to the inside, but since they can never predict when the defense will shift into a 4-3 look, running up the middle is also a gamble. 

Obviously, we can’t cover every advantage and angle of the hybrid defense, but hopefully we’ve learned something about 3-4 defenses and hybrid defenses in this first edition of Football 101. I plan to do more of these Football 101 articles, but they certainly won’t be the only articles that I write for Baltimore Beatdown. If there is an aspect of the game that you don’t understand and would like to read an article about, send me an email and I’ll be more than happy to consider it. 

Additional reading:

Mile High Report: Modern 3-4 Defense Systems.

Bleacher Report: Understanding Defensive Line Techniques.

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we're slowly drifting back to a conventional 43 too

you noticed that last year, on passing downs, there would often be 4 down linemen and two safeties deep. that’s pretty much a 43 cover-2. Mattison prefers that more conventional look, I think—we just keep using the hybrid variations because when we put Suggs and JJ on the line we have to put backup LBs in their place.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I missed seeing organized chaos on third downs this year. I love the occasional over the top over load blitz.

by BmoreBlitz on Apr 9, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

we did those a couple of times

and guys just got blocked. i think that’s why mattison preferred to put his best rushers on the line and let everyone else fall back. send 4 or max 5 guys on 3rd down like a sane person.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

We know Rex Ryan is insane, he did however have the # 1 D with that system.

by BmoreBlitz on Apr 9, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

which was great

but mattison isn’t ryan and i do like what he’s trying to do. nobody is denying that Rex has a good thing going in with his schemes, but i think its better that Mattison isn’t trying to be him.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hate how when we can't get pressure

with 4-5 rushers, Mattison will give up and only rush 3, sending the rest back in coverage. That happened too many times last season. I think it was just weak schemes and little situational preparation.

by PurpleNorangeNbeer on Apr 11, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frustrated the heck out of me

when the opposition QB sat back and finally found someone open when coverage broke down but no pressure.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Apr 12, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best I saw once and I can't remember who it was against

was when we were backed up on our own goal line and the opponents’ offense came up to the line of scrimmage and all 11 of our guys were just standing up at the line of scrimmage, in no set formation and no one down in the dirt. The QB lined up under center waited for us to take our positions and when we didn’t, he just put his hands up in the “T” and signalled time out! The place went crazy!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Apr 9, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

PS

What a great in depth story for those not as familiar with the ins and outs of the defense and our team’s history running it different ways. Heck of an effort BH.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Apr 9, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe the best story this blog has ever seen. Read the entire thing. Made so much sense.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

get off his nuts

look, good article, don’t get me wrong. but it didn’t change my life or anything…

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa now buddy.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha didnt mean for that to sound so scathing

tone of voice in my mind was more joking. but still, best story ever?

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

As for an in depth breakdown of a topic that many people do not understand, yes. You and I may know everything there is about the hybrid style, but many average fans don’t and this definitely explains it for them. So definitely one of the best.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

dont get me wrong, BalHawk did a real good job on it

my main issue is that I feel like this was written in last year’s offseason. Our defense is definitely getting more conventional and less “chaotic” if you will. We tend, more and more, to do what it looks like we’re doing when we come out. There are plays were we shift to a 34 over/under/stack formation and Hawk’s analysis of that is dead on. But what I’m liking more and more is that Mattison will just sometimes come out in a straight-up 43 Cover two with really no hybrid aspects to it. Doesn’t mean we don’t run a hybrid anymore but that’s the direction I see us going in. We seem to be distancing ourselves from the Rex Ryan hybrid more and more.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t really trying to describe or quantify the current Raven’s defense as much as I was simply trying to explain the concept behind the hybrid defense in general and give an account of the system’s evolution.

by BAL_Hawk on Apr 9, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

its a good article man

im not trying to diss you or your article, and it’s definitely spot-on with how a hybrid works.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Malor.

I realize that I simplified many concepts, but I think that should be the point of these Footbal 101 articles. These points are not common knowledge for many average fans and aren’t even common knowledge for informed fans of many other teams. We love our defense in Baltimore and probably know more about defensive schemes than most.

by BAL_Hawk on Apr 9, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats a good point

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. I know basically everything there is about our style of defense, but still found myself re-reading parts of this to comprehend it a little better. The pictures really helped.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Analysis, but....
As Lewis aged, he wasn’t able to cover the entire field, and the Ravens’ defense needed to evolve. They had the perfect solution… the 3-4 defense. The 3-4 defense took pressure off Lewis, but still allowed him to dominate in run defense.

This is false. The real reason for the switch, which came years BEFORE Ray slowed, was that we lost our 2 big DT’s necessary to keep blockers off Ray when Sam Adams and Goose left. That limited the effectiveness of Ray and neccesitated the switch. We had been in the 3-4 for several years before Ray slowed…

by Rayisyourdaddy on Apr 9, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

The Raven’s defense in the early 2000’s was special, and right before the Super Bowl run, Ozzie loaded up with defensive free agents. That group of players won the Super Bowl for the Ravens, but over the next two seasons, the Ravens were not able to retain all of their defensive talent. Sharper, Siragusa, Adams, Woodson and others left the team. On top of that loss, the Ravens also lost Marvin Lewis. As a result, the Raven’s defense took several steps backward over the next few seasons and only the 19th ranked defense in 2002 with a 7-9 team record.

You are right in saying that the Raven’s switched to the 3-4 before Ray Lewis slowed down. Mike Nolan introduced the system in 2001. However, that wasn’t really my point in the article. The point was that Ray Lewis wasn’t able to cover the entire field forever. He was insanely dominate during the Super Bowl run, and it was illogical to expect him to play at that level forever. Don’t get me wrong, Lewis was still the best linebacker in the league for many years. He just wasn’t playing at that other-worldly level. When the Ravens lost all of those players in 2001, Lewis was forced to pick up the slack. He was unable to carry the entire defense and eventually missed 11 games in 2002 with an injury (a huge factor in the 19th ranked defense). As a result of all of those factors, the 3-4 became very attractive, but I still believe that the system was most attractive to the Ravens because it took the complete burden of success off Ray Lewis.

by BAL_Hawk on Apr 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope we pick up Cody with the way we are transitioning under Mattison. His size and strength would give our entire defense an advantage over a lot of teams. Even if he is not an every down player, he is the type that could prevent the run as well as free up space for others like ngata, suggs, and hopefully kruger next year.

by ryantz on Apr 9, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Yea, most of us are starting to agree on that

Cody would start right away I think once coaches see how much he would man handle Birk. His size and strength is incredible. Watching tape on him, I really never saw him lose a battle at the line. You cannot push this man backwards and you cannot try to block him with one guy. Ngata and Cody together is freaking scary.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah that's why im in the cody camp now

He’s an insta-starter. JPP may not be. That’s what makes Cody worth the 1st round pick-tronski.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sirius NFL Radio said

Cody is not 1st round talent and perhaps late 2nd round. I’d still take JPP as he is the top rated DE in the draft and Cody is middle of the top 5-10 of DT.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Apr 9, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i'm no Ozzie

but the tape, to me, clearly makes Cody look better. Cody makes impact plays while JPP seems to be rated so highly by all the “experts” because of his physical potential

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're difficult to compare

as their skill sets are completely different. I just think our pass rush needs JPP more than our run defense needs the Mountain!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Apr 10, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cody will improve the pass rush more than JPP. I plan on writing a story about this point next week.

by BAL_Hawk on Apr 11, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, please do. It is a topic that many “experts” have not even covered. This guy has sleeper written all over him.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 11, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm beginning to get enamored about him

Imagine if we could trade Gaither for a first rounder and get both or at least Cody and Kyle Wilson? That would be SICK!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Apr 12, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you blog while sleeping?

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 12, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I miss watching adalius thomas run around in Rex Ryan’s old scheme. If I remember, there were times I watched him play on the line, linebacker, and in the secondary in particular series.

by ryantz on Apr 9, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup, there is definitely video of him playing every position on defense when he was with us. That man was a freak.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

and then... he was a patriot

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder where he will end up next year

by ryantz on Apr 9, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

J-E-T-S no doubt (if he’s released)

by BmoreBlitz on Apr 9, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not too sure, they are looking at Jason Taylor right now. He will play OLB if signed.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do hate the fact however that Rex has loaded up on incredible players. That man took a page right out of our book on how to do it and has done it just as good, maybe better than we did.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t judge his success right now. Ozzie has been very consistent along with putting together a championship team. Loading up is great until all of the players leave seasons later. I’m interested to see if the Jets are really building their team for the long-term or simply trying to win now. I think it’s too early to tell.

by BAL_Hawk on Apr 9, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all about win now. The days of rebuilding are over. You usually get 2 or 3 years max, as a GM or Coach, to become a contender. Rex knows this. Why build for 2 or 3 years in the future when he won’t be their coach because he had to many losing seasons.

I too love what he’s done to get top tier talent for cheap prices. Cromartie was a great pick up for a 3rd rounder. He didn’t do too well the last couple years because of the lack of pass rush. The guy is a freak athlete.

by BmoreBlitz on Apr 9, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s true, but what happens if you’re wrong about the players that you stretched to sign? Then, not only do you not have a winning team now, but you’ve crippled your team in the future. I believe that there is a fine line to walk. You can’t be too conservative, but getting too aggressive can send the franchise into a tail-spin if it doesn’t work out.

by BAL_Hawk on Apr 9, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will agree that it is too early to tell, but Rex is sure heading in the right direction. It is scary how identical the Ravens and Jets are and how they have been since last year. Rex took the mistakes we made with Flacco in his first year and made sure that would not happen with Mark, IE going after Braylon Edwards. yes, I know many will say that Braylon is not that great, but he is definitely the type of WR for a rookie to work with. And that move almost put them in the Superbowl.

He took over a team that was ready to win now and just added more fire power. There is definitely a fine line when doing this type of stuff, but Rex definitely brought in the right players. LT and Cromartie were incredible pick ups.

It may sound bias and what not, but I strongly believe that the Ravens and Jets and the two most well rounded teams in the AFC right now.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

TJ is right now better than LT….. but that’s the only move I haven’t liked by the Jets so far.

Also you’re a total homer…… like all of us on this site.

by BmoreBlitz on Apr 9, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta be a homer to be a true fan……

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

not true

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rex Ryan’s only big mistake was Sanchez, who could single handedly bring the team down. Not necessarily his fault, 1st round QB draft picks are a 50/50 crap shoot.

Anyway, I still think the Jets will be good next year and a major challenge for us. I don’t think we match up well.

by davver on Apr 9, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Sanchez was a mistake at all

He has all the tools to be a winner for that team. I bet you are basing that off his stats right? He was a rookie and you are already writing him off as a mistake? The guy led his team to the AFC championship game. I don’t care what stats you have, if you are winning in the playoffs, then your QB is doing something right. This guy will definitely be a very good QB for the Jets. He is surrounded by way too many goo players and good personal to fail.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t lead anyone anywhere. Did Trent Dilfer lead us to a super bowl. He got dragged along by a defense and running game that he was almost so bad it didn’t matter. He took games that should have been slam dunk wins, like the Buffalo game where they ran for 200+ yards, and lost it by throwing 5 picks in a single game.

I’m not saying he can’t turn it around in his second year, but I certainly don’t have as high of hopes for him as people who did good in their first year like Flacco.

by davver on Apr 9, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Trent Dilfer lead us to a superbowl. Every QB that wins that much is leading their team. You are the type of fan that is entirely way to caught up in stats. I strongly believe that it is not always about what you do, but what you don’t do. Sanchez was asked to manage the game and do just enough to get the win. He did just that.

It is idiotic to say that the QB did not lead them to such great success. That is THE MOST IMPORTANT position on the team, and when you are in the AFC Championship game, you are definitely, definitely doing something right.

I am not saying that Sanchez was the sole reason why they got that far like Manning and Brady are the sole reasons their teams succeed, but Sanchez was certainly a huge reason why they got as far as they did. Stats don’t mean shit, it is all about the wins. Sanchez was and is a winner.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Trent didn't!

You were a mere child back then, MaLoR! We went to the Super Bowl and won DESPITE Dilfer. Sanchez was definitely not a “mistake” although I was skeptical myself. At the same time, if you want to be skeptical on Sanchez’ abilities, you have to be the same way about Flacco’s.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Apr 10, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grrrr, I despise you all. Even though I was 13 years old, Dilfer will always be a winner in my heart. The guy Got. It. Done. That is that only thing I ask from my QB. Get it done, and he did a perfect job at that.

Statistics have ruined our fragile little minds……

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 11, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually agree with you to a point, but you have to admit that the defense and Jamal Lewis made it easy on him. Some quarterbacks find success a little easier than others due to good defenses and running games.

As much as I love Dilfer, his defense really helped him out. What Dilfer did isn’t really as impressive as what Peyton does in every game. If Dilfer had a slow game, the defense usually came through and still won. If Manning has a slow day, the Colts get blown out.

by BAL_Hawk on Apr 11, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

No denying at all that the defense and strong running game with Jamal carried us to that Superbowl. But it ultimately comes down to the QB play most of the time. With a defense like we had and Jamal running like that, the only thing we asked for was to have Trent manage the game. He was perfectly fine with giving it to Jamal 25-30 times, getting it to Sharpe over the middle, Stokely on the flat and Ismial on the outside. He did exactly what we asked for him.

Did Trent put up crazy numbers? No. Did he struggle in some games and was a reason we lost? Yes he did. But we won a Superbowl with Trent Dilfer as our QB, so he was definitely doing something right for that to happen.

Does that team win the Superbowl with Tony Banks? Hell no! So Trent winning it shows how valuable he was to that team.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 11, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so Sure
Does that team win the Superbowl with Tony Banks? Hell no!

Given how good the defense was, I think ol’ TB could have won it all…

Look at the last time the Redskins won the SuperBowl: they had Mark Rypien as their QB. He was sacked all of three times during the regular season. To play all sixteen games and only get sacked three times?!?!?! Talk about getting comfortable and developing a rhythm…

Yes, Trent “lead” us to a SuperBowl I will give him that, but I know for a fact that every third and long passing play that was called during 2000, every coach, trainer, player, fan, janitor and space alien held their collective breaths when Dilfer dropped back…

by vlad755 on Apr 19, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were way too conventional of a defense to have him be successful. They kept him strictly at one position. We knew how great of an athlete he was and put him on players that were mismatches for him.

But right now, JJ > Adalius.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, our version of Polamolu at LB.

by BmoreBlitz on Apr 9, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ways to beat the Ravens Hybrid Defense

Santonio Holmes, Rinse, and Repeat

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by John Stephens on Apr 9, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Ways to beat a woman at a night club

Santonio Holmes, Refill and Repeat.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, you didn’t hear?

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by John Stephens on Apr 9, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could care less. He’s a dirty woman beater.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could it be video that wasn’t recorded over for once…..

by BmoreBlitz on Apr 9, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No idea what you are talking about

I dropped it

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by John Stephens on Apr 9, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

dave

Thanks for this write up, very informative.

by davver on Apr 9, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Who the hell is Dave?

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 9, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

me, being retarded and thinking the topic line was a login or something

by davver on Apr 9, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

HEY DAVE!

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Apr 9, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dave's not here

No, it’s me, Dave.
What? Dave’s not here.
What? No let me in, I’m Dave. The cops are all around this area and I got the stuff.
Go away, I said Dave’s not here.
(classic Cheech & Chong bit for you clueless kids out there)

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Apr 10, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew right away.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 11, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great article

Loved the article, its pretty obvious you must have played football down in the trenches at one time or another (like myself, which probably explains why I read the whole thing!)

An aspect of the game that I’m much weaker on is coverage schemes. I can recognize a Cover 2, a man D and a zone if I see them, but as to level of depth and analysis you showed here, I’m out of my element. I know we must run some sort of unique coverage package considering the future HOFer we have patrolling back there, but I can’t say I really know much more about it than that. Future article perhaps?

by KingButterpants on Apr 11, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks! I never played lineman on either side of the ball. I’m not built for that. I was a defensive back in high school but can appreciate the importance of the “big uglies” up front. Games are won and lost in the trenches.

That’s a good idea about the article on coverages. I’ll look into that.

by BAL_Hawk on Apr 11, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

In addition to a write up by Hawk, play madden.

by BmoreBlitz on Apr 12, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll kill you in Madden. I am currently 8-1 between 3 SB Nation bloggers, one of which came from here. I will not mention any names so that he is not embarrassed.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Apr 12, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I play occasionally but would probably get killed by you guys.

by BAL_Hawk on Apr 13, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great work Bal_Hawk

I love these pure football articles and I get the revisionist history of the evolution these defenses as it relates to the Ravens past. Well done man. Keep them comming.

by Ravens One on Apr 16, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

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