Troy Smith Saga Continues
by Bruce Raffel on Mar 9, 2010 8:45 AM EST
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While Baltimore Ravens backup quarterback Troy Smith is staying mum on the topic, his agent seems happy to keep his name in the news of the day. Smith's agent, Ralph Cindrich, has been quoted as saying that Troy wants to be traded to the Cleveland Browns so bad that he "would crawl from Baltimore right now to play for Cleveland."
Unfortunately, the Browns recent acquisition of former Seattle QB Seneca Wallace for an undisclosed 2011 draft pick all but assures Troy that he will not be "crawling" back to Cleveland any time soon, unless of course, his car runs out of gas and no one stops to give him a ride.
Smith, of course is a Cleveland native and was the Heisman Trophy winner at nearby Ohio State before being drafted by the Ravens in the 5th round of the 2005 NFL Draft. He sat behind Kyle Boller and then was looking to start ahead of rookie Joe Flacco, but that opportunity was derailed when he came down with a rare throat infection that gave Flacco the opportunity that he took and parlayed into what appears to be the future of the franchise.
Smith wants to be a starting quarterback in the NFL but has not really had a chance. A fan favorite of many Ravens fans, he will continue to back up Flacco and get the occasional chance to get into the games as part of the Ravens own "Wildcat" formation. I guess his thought process is that if he has to sit on the bench, he'd prefer to do the same thing in Cleveland than in Baltimore. But as noted above, the trade of Seneca Wallace to Cleveland should signal the end of that happening. At the same time, the Ravens put a 5th round tender on Smith, so if any NFL team wants to sign him to a contract, the Ravens would have a chance to match it or receive that team's 5th round draft pick, which at this point would seem to be fine with the Ravens. Anyone.....? Bueller? Bueller?
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Keep him,
Joe almost had to sit a playoff game this year. We’ve been blessed by Joe’s health two years in a row. We all know any play could be a players last. Smith can win us a game here or there if Joe goes down. I still like his athletism and I don’t think Cam Cameron is using him to his full potential. (Cam let him throw occasionally out of the Wildcat, and use him in the big games too!)
I don't think he has the potential to be a starter
But he sure makes one hell of a backup!
"I kill myself in small amounts"
How would anyone know?
He’s barely ever played! At least Beck started a few games and was a high draft pick.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Mar 9, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well now that I remember
Didn’t he do pretty well against Seattle the year before last? I believe it was either Week 15-16, and he might have even started….?
"I kill myself in small amounts"
by StuckInUtah on Mar 9, 2010 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, it was 16 and 17
in 17 we beat squeelers with him.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
Fear The Turtle!!
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Mar 9, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
I voted No because I really like him as our back-up and as of right now it does not look like Cleveless be making a move for him since they got Seneca Wallace from Seattle.
But, if we did get a 5th round pick, that would give us three 5th round picks in the draft which we could probably turn into an extra 3rd or 4th round pick.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Who Cares? (directed toward Troy Smith not you Bruce)
If someone will give us a fifth, then yea, we should do it. The problem is, no one is stepping up with an offer of a 5th. Troy needs to get back to work and improve his trade stock if he wants to go anywhere. We’re not going to just give him away, especially to a division rival.
I don't see a big market for Smith...
I don’t blame the dude for wanting a starting job. Honestly, if he didn’t want one, he shouldn’t be in the league. I’m kind of surprised no one has made a move for Delhomme. I would think he would get a spot well before Smith. I can see why Smith would want to go to Cleveland but I’m not sure how he would succeed there.
Is Beck even healthy? I could go either way and considering that Ozzie seems to really know what the hell he is doing…I don’t really have a strong opinion.
"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"
by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 9, 2010 12:04 PM EST reply actions
Agreed
other than Cleveland, who really wants a guy that hasn’t played much.
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by Bruce Raffel on Mar 9, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Troy gets a chance to start and prove himself somewhere. He is a proven winner and someone I feel that could get the job done somewhere else. He was probably going to be the starter in 2008 had he not had tonsilitus or whatever it was. I would love to keep him in purple but if an opportunity presents itself where we can improve our team, I am all for it.
proven winner?
college yes. NFL no. This guy cares much more for himself than the team. He asks for a trade in the middle of a playoff run. He would “crawl” to Cleveland to play for his hometown team. This guy is an idiot. From the insider stuff I read, much of the team thinks he’s an a-hole. I’m sure management feels the same. Far as I’m concerned, if someone is willing to give us a fifth round pick they can have him. He has a much higher opinion of his talent than the rest of the NFL.
by ppdoc on Mar 9, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Problem is
The agent could kill the market if there was a market. What is clear—— Troy and the agent want out by hook or crook.
Sometimes the dog that barks the loudest, just gets shot!
Troy seems like a good guy but is managed by an ignorant and greedy agent…The timing of Ralph Cindrich’s comments during the playoff run last December were very ill-timed and as a result, I believe Cindrich obviously has no grasp of diplomacy…
All Cindrich seems to want to do is stomp his feet, piss and moan… Guess what, Dillweed, nobody’s come a knocking have they? It’s probably because Troy is an unproven talent in the NFL, oh, and because you’re an idiot!
So, if we can garner a 5th rounder, I’m certainly all for it. Beck can easily back up Flacco.
Troy's agent does what he says....
Troy would fire his agent if he didn’t feel the way the agent is expressing.
Anyway, I don’t want a player on the Ravens that doesn’t feel like they should start.
His agent played his hand
Now we cannot trade him for much, and with his desire t play in cleveland, they could trade fo rhim and then low-ball a contract because he’ll give the “home team” discount after hearing his agent spew.
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Honestly...
I look at it more from a baseball standpoint… We are going to lose him after the next season so we might as well get something in return for him….
So I’ll take a 5th, 6th this year or 4th next year for a guy that has done nothing but show glimpses of being a subpar starter at best. I would look at that as a win… we could at least draft a project DL/OL or special teams player that will at least see the field on special teams or could develop like we do with LB’s every year.
We would all love that
But it is just a matter of if a team wants him. Cleveland sounded like a good fit, but Holgrem just went out and brought Wallace over who he had in Seattle.
We got to remember that these are the teams who did not think that Troy could start in the NFL coming out of college, and he really has done nothing else to prove that he can be a starter. If a team trades for him, he is not going to be the starter right away. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Troy as the #2 on the team that trades for him, if a team trades for him.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Doesn't matter, as
no one wants him. Period. No one. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Hello? McFly? Bueller?
aka 'Rexx'
I know no one seems to want him at all.
I just meant if somewhat offers anything we should take it. It’s not even a question of next man up when you are the 3rd string QB… it’s more like next man off the street.
I voted no
We should keep him. A solid backup who knows the system already is more valuable than a 5th rd pick right now, IMO. I just can’t stop thinking about Davon Drew and Jason Phillips last year. I agree that if Flacco goes down, we are going to be missing T Smith if we trade him.
by PurpleNorangeNbeer on Mar 9, 2010 4:47 PM EST reply actions
I don't think there is any way
that Smith would do any better than Beck. We would just run the shit out of the ball and let him only pass 15 times per game until Flacco comes back… picture 2008 all over again.
Beck is a better pure thrower than Smith
People are intrigued about the “Ohio State” Troy Smith that doesn’t and couldn’t exist here in the NFL and think he could be the next Vick. NOT!
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by Bruce Raffel on Mar 10, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Bruce, this is spot on. I have been saying this about QB’s that “win” in college. I want Troy Smith to be successful and develope into a competent starter in this league. It should be and probably is….. obvious to his agent that no one views Smith as more than a third QB on a depth chart. Troy should remind his agent who works for who. I think Troy’s agent is doing him a disservice.
keep him
We need to keep him. The main reason being that he knows the system. I remember seeing Flacco in the players parking lot after we beat the steelers last year and he could barely walk. From that game on he was hurt. We need a qb that can come in if Flacco gets hurt and keep the O together. Plus if he does get some PT next year he will have to perform because he will be a FA the next year. We can’t lose by keeping him.
by Georgia Raven on Mar 9, 2010 6:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Trust me
Beck knows Cam’s “system” as well or better than Smith, as he’s worked with Cameron even longer.
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by Bruce Raffel on Mar 10, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
You keep a guy caged up and he’s going to say and do stuff that he regrets but it is justifiable. Troy wants to play. His playing years are slipping by and he hasn’t sniffed the field. I can’t blame him at all. I hope he finds a team and starts or has a fair chance to compete. He would of had better success against the Steelers and Indy than Flacco.
It's easy to say
that things would be different if done differently. But how can you say Smith would have more success than Flacco? Do you mean if they both had the same time with the game plan and the first team offense? I think that if we look back at the tape we will find that the receivers were not getting open and Flacco did not want to take too many chances. Troy Smith is not going to get them open any better. The only QBs that can get unopen receivers open are Favre, Brady, Manning, Brees, etc. We have Boldin now, and finally the chance to spread the ball out and develop the passing game. I believe Troy Smith is not as good as you think. True, he hasn’t been given a chance, but dude, he was not the answer against the Steelers and Colts.
by PurpleNorangeNbeer on Mar 9, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Remember...
That Troy Smith only beat the Steelers backups in week 17 of 2007! It was a meaningless game to them and did not play their starters the whole time. It was like Mark Sanchez beating the Colts in week 16 (or so) this year… it only happened because they pulled Manning at halftime.
Troy’s ability to scramble is not a good match for Indy and Pitt. He totally would have faired better than Frankenflacco who folded up like napkin under pressure. A 3rd string Pitt QB almost beat him…with Troy out.
I didn’t know Flacco played defense
by PurpleNorangeNbeer on Mar 10, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
You should continue to stay away from the blog
Your comments always sound like my doom and gloom 65 year old socialist Uncle.
If Troy does go
What about bringing Boller back as one of our back ups? He is no longer with the Rams and it only seems right to have Kyle here. Always liked the guy.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I wouldn’t mind Boller as a back up except that he reminds me of the boring days with Billick running the offense. He was the face of our team being an inept offense. Just bad memories I don’t want to relive.
WHAT!!!???
Are you guys even thinking about!?
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by Bruce Raffel on Mar 10, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, I like Boller. His failures were more on Billick and the shitty offense he had to work with rather than his abilities. Those stumbles were pretty bad though. I just wouldn’t mind him back in Baltimore, he would be a good back up.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Billick wasn't the reason
he sucked in St. Louis and even an unknown rookie took over because he was so bad there, same mistakes, fumbles, picks as he had in Baltimore. Boller was just too frenetic for the pro game and couldn’t “slow” it down.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Mar 10, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Boller is not available anyways…He’s playing Butters on Broadway.
by raven on Mar 10, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and crying for missing
Tara Reid so much, and her two new “friends!”
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by Bruce Raffel on Mar 11, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Now that’s just crazy talk.
"I kill myself in small amounts"
by StuckInUtah on Mar 10, 2010 9:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dereck Anderson is now my hero for this quote about the Cleveland fans.
“The fans are ruthless and don’t deserve a winner,” Anderson wrote in an e-mail to The News-Herald, a suburban Cleveland newspaper. "I will never forget getting cheered when I was injured (in 2008, a sprained medial collateral ligament).
“I know at times I wasn’t great. I hope and pray I’m playing when my team comes to town and (we) roll them.”
Funny that the most exciting moment during the season for them was when DA went down. Probably the only cheering ever done in that stadium.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
You sure that was DA's quote?
I remember some Ravens fans cheering when Boller was hurt once.
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by Bruce Raffel on Mar 10, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
It was his quote. He later apologized for it, but it was still a good laugh.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
who says I hope we "roll" them too....
DA will never be a good starting QB. He reminds me a lot of Boller. Big arm, shaky in the pocket, crazy decision making. Basically, hit or miss on any given day.
Also he has large feet (bigger than size 13, girls may like that but it’s not good for football players). Bruce you have your theory about dreads (which is true for the most part). I have my theory about large feet and skill position players(QB’s pocket moblity too). If you have above size 13 shoes, you’re clumsy in and out of cuts, QB’s feet are more likely to be stepped on, and your speed is not that great. Watch Roy Williams(dallas), I think he has size 15 shoes, his movements just look awkward and he’s slow. The only thing he can do alright is go up for a jump pass.
He better had apologized
If he wanted to another job in the league. That’s just an awful comment to make. Just think he had the audacity to send that rubbish in the form of an e-mail to a reporter over at the Plain Dealer I think the paper was. As a professional you can think that but you can’t say that. Not a very smart move.
As for his abilities, D.A. is not very good and I’ll leave at that. I still take him over Boller though.
DA apologized
but he is still a guy that would make a decent backup, and throws a sweeter ball than Boller, with more accuracy and a softer touch.
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by Bruce Raffel on Mar 10, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
He had great touch on deep balls and to the outside but
couldn’t master the short shit… sort of the opposite of Colt McCoy.
while Shipley was on the ground
raising Shipley’s stock to Wes Welker levels!
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by Bruce Raffel on Mar 11, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
delhome
I say we trade smith and pick up delhome. He can be a valuable back up as well as a mentor for flacco.
by Georgia Raven on Mar 10, 2010 12:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That’s not a bad idea, but how much money would he want?
"I kill myself in small amounts"
by StuckInUtah on Mar 10, 2010 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rather have DA again instead of Delhomme
except for the fact that I coudl rub in my Panther’s fan-buddy’s face that his qb that he had so much confidence in was now our 3rd stringer.
Also
I wouldn’t mind Boller because he could bring his hot wife to town… though she unfotunately hates the gays, she looks damn good in a bikini.
Jake is done
Stick a fork in him. His asking price would be about 2.5 million a year. Exspensive. He got 12 million as a parting gift from Carolina and should be willing to play for free.
Delhomme to Cards
and don’t be surprised if he ends up starting at some point over Leinart.
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by Bruce Raffel on Mar 11, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Boller
I can’t stand that guy!!! He caused too much heart ache for me to see him in our colors again. Let by gones be by gones with that 1.
by Georgia Raven on Mar 10, 2010 1:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Bring DA home.
We drafted him. Plus if he comes here there is a good chance he will get to see the Browns “rolled” twice a year. :-)
Joe Flacco's eyebrows have been charged with several penalties this season, most for acting as an "ineligible receiver downfield".
Jake
Delhomme is meeting with the Browns tomorrow. I will die laughing if the guy we say could make for a backup here ends up starting for them. Ed Reed will get 4 more pics/yr with Jake in Clev.
by Georgia Raven on Mar 10, 2010 4:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
+1
Totally agree. Come to think of it, I hope things go well for Jake in Cleveland and he signs a contract.
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