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Combine Workouts: Worthless?

Due to the flurry of free agent signings and trades, the NFL Scouting Combine, which ended last week seems to have been pushed under the rug. A lot of interesting news came out of Indianapolis last week, but was it all worthwhile and did anyone actually up their draft stock as a result of the workouts, compared to their bodies of work out on the football field?

Scouts raise their eyebrows when a great 40 yard dash time is displayed. However, we've now seen some huge discrepancies between the unofficial and official times. USC safety Taylor Mays ran a scorching unofficial 40-yard dash, but when the time was considered official, it went from scorching to just fast. Did that hurt, help or not change his draft status? If the 4.24 unofficial time had stuck, it probably would have perked up the interest of some NFL teams, but the 4.43 official time just sent the scouts back to their notebooks. Mays' play at USC should tell a lot more about his NFL potential than any of the results from the Combine.

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The same goes for anyone else who was invited to Indy last week, regardless of their position. Watching the offensive linemen run the 40-yard dash is not only a waste of time, but disturbing when we have to see former Alabama offensive tackle Andre' Smith run it with his shirt off. The Baltimore Ravens drafted offensive tackle Michael Oher with their first pick in the draft even though he did not finish in the top ten of offensive linemen in the 40-yard dash.

Prior to the 2009 NFL Draft, I really lobbied for the Ravens to grab North Carolina WR Hakeem Nicks, but his 40-yard dash time at the Combine was average at best. However, there is a huge difference between straight line speed and "football" speed, as Nicks enjoyed a fine rookie season with the New York Giants while speedster and top ten draft pick Darrius Heyward-Bey was gobbled up by the Oakland Raiders and spent a good part of the season on the bench.

The Ravens did take a couple of players that had great 40-yard dash times in 2009. Third round pick Lardarius Webb posted the top cornerback dash (4.46), ahead of highly-touted first round pick, Vontae Davis. Virginia RB Cedric Peerman ran a 4.45 forty, tops among the running back class that feature first round picks Donald Brown's 4.51(Indianapolis Colts) and Chris "Beanie" Wells' 4.59 (Arizona Cardinals). The Ravens let Peerman go at the end of Training Camp, although he was picked up by the Cleveland Browns.

Maryland native and former Florida cornerback Joe Haden is projected to be one of the top ten picks in April's NFL Draft, but his 40-yard dash time was pedestrian at best, even disappointing to Haden himself. However, that should not deter NFL teams, with the Cleveland Browns looking to grab Haden in many Mock drafts. His example is a classic one that should have most NFL Draft Boards largely unchanged as a results of the workouts at the Combine last week. The only guys who might improve their chances are the little known players who otherwise might have gone unnoticed except for their excellent results in Indianapolis. That might affect the later rounds of the draft, but doubtful will they sway teams to make significant changes to their targets in April.

For more recap on the NFL Scouting Combine, plus all of the recent signings and trades, check out NFL.com.

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Do you really think that the NFL Scouting Combine will make a huge difference to most NFL teams' Draft Boards?
Yes, players have a chance to show off their athletic skills.
54 votes
No, their body of evidence on the football field proves more.
83 votes

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Maybe it's just me...

but I think the real reason for putting he players through a horse and pony show is to see how they handle the day to day media spot light in the NFL. Did Andre Smith’s 40 hurt him? Hell yeah it did but it wasn’t due to his time. The kid showed he wasn’t ready to handle the pressure and blew off his commitments. That and he wasn’t willing to stay in shape from the end of the college season to pro day. I cannot help but believe his hold out was directly led to his foot injury.

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 7, 2010 10:48 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, but

he was still the fifth overall pick in the draft, so how did it hurt his wallet?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 7, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

So true…

The night is darkest right before the dawn

by Baltimore Warrior on Mar 7, 2010 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I would say...

pretty significantly considering the messy hold out and how most of his money was tied into performance bonuses…which sure as hell didn’t kick in because his fat ass stayed at home and he wasn’t ready for practice, hence the broken foot. Unless Smith gets healthy, stays in shape, and actually makes it through a season, he is a clear bust. It’s a shame because the guy clearly has talent, but he showed at Alabama and so far in the league, that his decision making is not the best. And his agent was clearly a moron.

To be clear, I don’t think it was all Mike Brown’s fault, but there was a obvious reason why the dude didn’t have a season like Oher did. I honestly feel that had both been available at the same time, the Ravens still would have pick Oher.

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 8, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

the combine is overrated, but it has it’s place. Think about those guys who aren’t big names and are trying to make a name for themselves. They are the ones who really benefit from the combine (when they do well). The agility and position drills show coaches how the player moves. I think coaches really want to know all those things about the guy their team will invest all that money in. Obviously, the combine shouldn’t be THE determining factor in drafting a player, but it has its place. That drill where the players run and catch balls from either side and drop them immediately is retarded.

by PurpleNorangeNbeer on Mar 7, 2010 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

In the 40, I would like to see players in their pads and if they are a receiver they are in a receiver stance, RB an RB stance, etc. I think that would be more realistic of how fast they are.

by AV23 on Mar 7, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

I think there should be an option in the middle. Combine isn’t pointless, but it doesn’t tell everything.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 7, 2010 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

I think it is really important

It shows raw skill, and that still matters how you will do in the NFL. Watching the LB do their drills, you could see that Spikes lacked fluent hip rotation, which that performance in that drill most likely just dropped him to a sure fire 2nd round pick.

People question how fast Golden Tate was, always saying he was more quick than fast. Boom, he comes out and runs in the 4.3.

Yes, the combine means nothing to hitting someone, but it is a great way to have a first impression on the coaches and scouts. You think the combine didn’t matter for Bruce Campbell?

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 7, 2010 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

Nope, even Campbell

was already a first round pick and he still will be. Only the lower round picks might move up, occasionally someone gets into the first round.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 7, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, he was a first round pick, but his combine put him as a top 10 pick.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 7, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Only because the Raiders are always in the top ten.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 7, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Doubtful and definitely will be surprised

if Campbell is top ten. First round definitely, but not top 10.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 7, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't

you say the same thing about Heyward-Bey last year? Al Davis is insane. Anything could happen. He drafted Janikowski in the 1st round.

by PurpleNorangeNbeer on Mar 7, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Good points. I think for most players, the game tape is 90% of the evaluation process. The combine workouts help scouts determine whether a certain player’s game translates to the NFL or not.

A player might dominate at college speeds, but his style and abilities might not work in the NFL since the average NFL player has the ability to change direction and make decisions in a heartbeat.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 7, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

as I said, there is a huge difference between pure speed and football speed. Look around the league and there are a ton of quick guys with average or worse 40 times.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 7, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Wonder what Ray's 40 time was?

Because to me he’s the fastest LB sideline-to-sideline in the league’s history.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 7, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Just found it on "Wiki"

and it was a pretty fast 4.53. Not bad for an ILB, huh?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 7, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

When I hear speed and ray lewis in the same sentence

I think of that play in week 2 against the chargers where he crushed Sproles in the back-field in less than a second.

The night is darkest right before the dawn

by Baltimore Warrior on Mar 7, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That was beautiful. He was playing with an other-worldly anticipation that day.

I also loved it when he stopped Peterson on the goal-line twice versus the Vikings. Not many people talk about that since the Vikes eventually scored (through the air), but those stops would have been remembered if they hadn’t given up the TD.

This is an awesome video. Watch it from 2:23 if you want to see the play I’m talking about. It’s worth watching the whole video. It has some cool plays by Ngata.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 7, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That was a great video. I am surprised I have never seen it before now. That hit by Ray on AP was sweet. He is the toughest RB in the league to bring down and Ray laid him out.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 7, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but

Ray Lewis is way too undersized to be successful as a line backer in the league. I think history has shown that to be true….

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 8, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Even Ozzie said

Ray didn’t fit the bill when they looked to draft him, which is probably part of the reason he slipped to us in ’96 at #25.

Wonder who will be the next great Raven selected with the 25th pick!?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 9, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ray Rice being one of them. Thats why we got him in the 2nd round.

by AV23 on Mar 8, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I love having you on this blog

LOL this is going green. +1

The night is darkest right before the dawn

by Baltimore Warrior on Mar 7, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate that Warrior

I plan to make a positive contribution and love being here.

by Cardsfan81 on Mar 7, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Just make sure you are going to get familiar with our team if you want to be a Ravens fan.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 7, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

True that

Can’t just know Boldin,Lewis, and Reed if you want to he a real ravens fan. People that only know the good players we tend to call floaydrs…

The night is darkest right before the dawn

by Baltimore Warrior on Mar 7, 2010 10:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We love having you here

We are desperate for regulars around here. Me, bruce, raven, malor, and stuckinutah is startig to become more active arond here. The fantastic 5…

The night is darkest right before the dawn

by Baltimore Warrior on Mar 7, 2010 10:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Tie between raven and BW.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 8, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Definately Raven

Bruce is the Thing (Steroid joke, bruce)
I’m mister fantastic. (Don’t ask, you perverts)
Malor is my lady (Ms.Fantastic)
Stuckin Utah really hasn’t earned a FF5 Nickname. Gotta have 2500+ comments and 20+ posts.

The night is darkest right before the dawn

by Baltimore Warrior on Mar 8, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t even know how to post….?

"I kill myself in small amounts"

by StuckInUtah on Mar 8, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats Cute
Me, bruce, raven, malor, and stuckinutah is startig to become more active arond here. The fantastic 5…

Do you have matching outfits?

by DT711 on Mar 8, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

…in spandex?

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 8, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Can you say smuggling plums?

Might tighty whities and I’m smuggling plums… name that song and MaLoR gives you a happy ending.

by ATXRaven on Mar 8, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Mope by Bloohound Gang

Time to pay up Malor…..?

"I kill myself in small amounts"

by StuckInUtah on Mar 8, 2010 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Why does everyone seem to always give me that hardest time? Even the new guys bust on me. Lol.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 8, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Because you are the only one who has the word "Mr" in their name

Isn’t that right Mr. Brian Malan?

The night is darkest right before the dawn

by Baltimore Warrior on Mar 8, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought his name was Robert Poulsen?

"I kill myself in small amounts"

by StuckInUtah on Mar 8, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol, where did you get that from?

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 8, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

…Fight Club?!

"I kill myself in small amounts"

by StuckInUtah on Mar 8, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 8, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Mines a Boldin Jersey.

The night is darkest right before the dawn

by Baltimore Warrior on Mar 8, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Jacoby Ford

ran a blistering 40, but a very slow 3-cone drill, which shows he has straight line speed but perhaps not “football” speed, which is more important. Ask both Kenny Britt and Hakeem Nicks, slow 40’s but good football speed and solid rook’s this past year.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 9, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This^^^^^

Great examples. Britt and Nicks.

by Ravens One on Mar 10, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

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