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AFC North Offseason: 2nd Edition

We have done this once, but it has been a few weeks since then.  Let us see what has happened since then.

 

Ravens

Gained- Anquan Boldin (4yrs 28 million), Donte Stallworth (1 yr 1 million), Cory Redding (2yr 6 million)

Re-signed: Derrick Mason (2yr)

Lost: Justin Bannan (4yr 20 million), Dwan Edwards (4 yr 18 million)

 

Bengals

Gained- Antonio Bryant, (4 yr 28 million)

Resigned- Roy Williams, Tank Williams, Daniel Coats

Lost- Larry Johnson, Shaun Smith

 

Steelers

Gained-  Will Allen (3yr 5 mil), Randle-El (3yr 7mil), Arnaz Battle, Bryan Scott, Jonathan Scott, , Larry Foote (3yr 9.3 million)

Re-signed- Ryan Clark

Lost- None yet

 

Browns

Gained- Seneca WallaceScott Fujita (3 yr 14 million), Tony Pashos  (3yr 10million), Ben Watson (3yr 12 million), Jake Delhomme.

Re-signed- A bunch of nonames.

Lost- Derek Anderson, Rex Hadnot

 

Has the division as a whole grown alot?  Who has improved the most?  Has anyone taken a step back?

The division has still not taken major hits talentwise, losing only LJ, Edwards, Bannan and DA of note.  So I guess technically everyone has improved at this point. 

My rankings:

1) Ravens- solidified WR corp, added 1 subtracted 2 on the d-line.  Still need help in the secondary and at TE.

2) Steelers- Added major depth on defense, and a bunch of special teams contributors.  Still need help on the o-line and in the secondary

3) Bengals- 1 big move, 1 big loss.  So far the moves have been lateral

4)  Browns- a bunch of small moves that should improve them a few wins. They look to be priming themselves to grab a QB early.  Maybe the Colt McCoy to the Browns in the 2nd round rumors hold some weight?

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I don’t understand why everyone thinks the Steelers OL is in absolute shambles.

With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)

by John Stephens on Mar 23, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Because Ben has a million sacks with that line. Yes I know he holds hit a little longer, but the games I’ve watched over the last few seasons they have not been that good. You guys need interior help. That one crazy samoan or whatever is a beast, I like him.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 23, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read below

With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)

by John Stephens on Mar 23, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not

It is unproven, and has given up 98 sacks over the past 2 years. There is a limit to how many of those sacks can be blamed on Big Ben’s scrambling. And you have to take into account how many times Ben has AVOIDED getting sacked with his scrambling ability (unlike the women he raped, who could not avoid getting sacked). So if you had a passer back there who couldn’t scramble well, you would probably have significantly more sacks over the past 2 years.
That said, your line is probably only slightly below average. You added one guy in FA so far who is a solid backup, but you have not improved really. You need to add at least 1 or 2 above average guys to your line before it will be considered an asset like it used to be a few years ago.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Mar 23, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Great, great point about the scrambling.

God if it was Orton back there it would be close to 115 sacks over the last 2 years.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 23, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno why I fired that bullet

I feel like I have gone over this a lot with people outside the Steelers fanbase. From an outsider looking in perspective it is easy to think “lots of sacks = bad OL.” And you would be right if Ben Roethlisberger was not our QB. Ben’s style of play is to extend the play and hope for WRs to break their routes and get open (if an initial route did not work). So typically a good OL holds his block for 3-4 seconds, but under Ben an OL might have to hold it for 5+ seconds, which is no easy task for even the best OLs in the league.

Just look at the sack per drop back numbers when the team went from Maddox to Ben without changing OL from 2003 to 2004. In 2003 it was 7.1% and went to 9.3% in 2004 after Ben took over in week 2. That is a lot when you consider a QB takes on average 400-500 drop backs. So 2% more is equivalent to 8 to 10 extra sacks per year. Ben is not great, but getting better, at checking down. He is bad at abandoning a play that never develops. Sometimes that works out great, but sometimes it ends in a sack, which is not the OLs fault. Ben does scramble a lot, but that is in a large part due to the fact that he holds on to the ball and the pocket breaks down.

So, remember when the Steelers had that great OL with Faneca and Marvell Smith? Well Ben was still getting sacked at about the same rate, 9.2 in 04, 8% in 05 compared to 8.2% in 08 and 9% in 09. So our OL is not that much worse as far as pass blocking goes. What we could use is a guard who can pull really well (Iupati), but no OL is going to drastically reduce the sack number.

With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)

by John Stephens on Mar 23, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well said

Is it Colon and Essex on the ends right now? Faneca leaving probably hurt some as well. But hey, gotta have average groups on your team to have dominant ones else where. You guys loaded up in LB and WR an brought in average OL. Ravens loaded up on OL and DL and brought in average WR, just the way it goes.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 23, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys loaded up in LB and WR an brought in average OL.

That’s the advantage of having a quarterback that takes half the defense to bring down for a sack.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 23, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, and they won Superbowls that way.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 23, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

You cannot have all around great players unless you get some great draft picks for cheap.

With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)

by John Stephens on Mar 23, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and Colon is RT, Starks is LT. I think both of them are fine. Starks is better, and I think we could definitely find someone better than Colon. Our RG needs an improvement too, I think Kemo is left guard.

With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)

by John Stephens on Mar 23, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice, informative comment.

I’ve never thought that the Steelers offensive line was that bad while I was watching the Ravens-Steelers games. Normally, I’m like, “Why can’t we get to Ben? Doesn’t his offensive line suck?” However, I must admit that I’ve never taken the time to look at the numbers and am very grateful that you’ve given us an education.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 23, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, I’ve addressed the point a lot, because that is generally the misconception with our OL. I actually think they improved this year. Hell, Starks pretty much blanked Dumerville and Jared Allen! If they can limit mental mistakes they’d be solid. And I think if we grab Iupati and he can run block well it would help a lot.

With the 18th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Pittsburgh Steelers select Florida QB Tim Tebow. (not a RB!)

by John Stephens on Mar 23, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt they improved

And you can see that by the improvement in the run game. That and not having SWP back there.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 23, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also don't get all the hate (for lack of a better word) on the Steelers O-line too

They aren’t even close to worst in the league (I’d honestly put them around the middle)…

But I suppose it can be considered a compliment to the other components of the team when an average o-line is considered a weak point. However, a good draft pick that replaces Essex could put this line above average. There will always be a lot of sacks though.

by shleeve on Mar 23, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say they are close to worst in the league either. Just saying that for a team that is so successful and wins championships, it is crazy to see that your O-Line is not THAT good.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 23, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

like I said, its a compliment to the other components of the team…

I think our secondary is in worse shape but then again we have two young corners (in Lewis and Burnett), maybe they develop nicely…

by shleeve on Mar 24, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets sure hope not.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 24, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta admit the Browns have done well this off season, but...

…they are in such a deep hole and have such a long way to go that they need so much more before they can seriously be considered a contender again for the AFC North.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 23, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

shleeve

I agree with you. I would rate your line currently at a little under average. One succesful high draft pick could bring this unit up to an above avg group. You need a combo of more experience together and one more piece.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Mar 23, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

Essex isn’t really starter material, hes an above average career back-up. Hartwig is decent but hes not gonna get any better, hes already up there in age. So essentially i think we need to replace Essex soon before Hartwig experiences a significant drop off, then we’d be a pretty solid group. (I still think we are at least average though)

by shleeve on Mar 24, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything points to you (Steelers)

drafting the center with your pick. Just don’t take Maryland native and Florida CB Joe Haden if he’s still on the board. That would be disturbing to see a Maryland kid on your team!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 25, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would die if Haden went to Pitt. He would definitely hate it because he is a B-More boy.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that why he played for Florida?

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by John Stephens on Mar 25, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, he should have played for UMBC.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 26, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Terps? Or UVA at least.

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by John Stephens on Mar 26, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was way too good to go to either of those schools. God, Fridge would have run his career into the ground by keeping him at QB.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 26, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but

as a senior this year, at least he’d be fighting for a chance to start instead of getting ready to sign a $30-30 million dollar guaranteed bonus contract. What?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 27, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

The race to improvement

The AFC North is easily the most competitive division in football even with the Browns in it. The Ravens are the clear winners thus far in the off-season (with Chicago a close second) and have helped themselves the most with the Boldin aquisition , the Mason re-signing and with Stallworth on board also. Not sure about the impact that Redding will have…..yet. Bannan’s versatility could be missed in the scheme but I trust Ozzie. Bannan is finishing his career in Denver where he has a business and wants to retire to. Doesn’t hurt to get the amount of jack he got to play for Denver. I feel good for the guy.

Of the Steeler signings the one that intrigues me the most is the Foote signing. He’s an excellent ILB in a 34 defense and Pittsburgh did the right thing by bringing him back. He instantly upgrades their D. Battle will be their 4th WR and a return guy. I’d be suprised if Randle-EL makes the team. He didn’t look like a player that had consistent passion in Washington.

Byant signing witht the Bengals improves them marginally. Unlike some other WR’s around the league, if the QB is not playing great Byrant will disappear from the offense….for weeks at a time. He’s the kind of player that needs the passing game to go thru him and I don’t see it happening with 85 in Orange and Black. He will also freelance on routes (that’s the #1 reason why Tampa did’n’t offer him a contract).

The Browns bring up the rear. I like Wallace as a spot player at QB. Ben Watson can be a significant contributor in the passing game if featured and flexed off the line. He’s a good athlete and can stretch a defense down the seam. I’m not convinced that Delhomme is the guy to get Watson the football. The Browns really need to target a QB 1st or 2nd round. Curious is the Fujita signing. Fujita is more effective in 4-3 scheme than a 3-4. It wiil be interesting to see how things progress with the Browns as the off-season progresses

by Ravens One on Mar 24, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I have to say I disagree.

To me, the NFC East is the most competitive. They always have tough defenses and good offenses, except for the ‘Skins. I would have to also say that I don’t believe Chicago was a winner this offseason. I think they overpaid greatly for the talent that they good. They are throwing money at Peppers, who, even though he is good, is getting up there in years.

by terpfan812 on Mar 24, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, when the conferences played

I believe the AFC North won more of those matchups and us Ravens went 3-1 against them.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 25, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

NFC East

…is a bunch of overrated chokers. Washington sucks, the Eagles are solid, but not a superbowl contender. Dallas are good in the regular season, but don’t have what it takes to win. And the Giants are not as good as they used to be. Their superbowl was a fluke, when they got Eli to focus for 5 minutes, and their D isn’t as good as that year either.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Mar 25, 2010 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hey hey hey

I’ll agree that the NFC East has gotten weaker, but I ask you to please not call NYG superbowl a fluke. They were the better team that day and 100% deserved to beat the Pats. Come on now man.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 26, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

It was no fluke. Give credit where credit is due (Trent Dilfer did do something that year! I think…)

by BmoreBlitz on Mar 26, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

One game

Pats were the best team in the league that year, hands down. NY was better only that day, thanks to David Tyree. Period.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Mar 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

When I say fluke....

I mean it was a once in a lifetime occurrence. Eli played the game of his life, error-free, and their defense, which is amazing when healthy came together at the right time and played an amazing game. That said, they are rarely fully healthy, and now that Pierce is gone and Osi is whining, they may never be as good as they were then. So the D got worse since then, and the O got lucky on that playoff run.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Mar 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

True

But everything came together for them at the right time when they won. We should respect NYG for a win like that considering how much of a fluke our Superbowl is to alottttttttttt of people.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 26, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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