1st and 3rd for Gaither?
by invisibulman on Feb 23, 2010 6:30 PM EST
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Jared Gaither is a restricted free agent this season and I suspect he is going to receive a max tender. If another team does attempt to sign him, the Ravens would receive their 1st and 3rd round picks as compensation. That raises the question, if a team were to offer a 1st and 3rd round pick for Gaither, would you take it?
I raised this same question over at StampedeBlue and most seemed on board with giving up a 1 and 3 to procure Gaither's services. Is he worth it?
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Yes!
We need more picks to upgrade our team, and you know Ozzie wouldn’t pass on an extra first rounder.
The night is darkest right before the dawn
Yea, 2 first round picks is not fair in the NFL with the way Ozzie picks them. Would be incredible.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
And, we don't need Gaither
We have Oher to take his spot, and RTs are not really that hard to come by n the NFL.
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by Zachary Beard on Feb 23, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Holy crap balls YES!
Jesus, that would be amazing if we could get that deal. I obviously do not see a team in the top 20 of the draft making this deal, but I would take any extra 1st and 3rd round pick for Gaither. This would allow us to move Oher to LT to become the best LT in the game. Right Tackle is a fairly easy position in the NFL to replace as well. We could sign a veteran guy like we did with Willie Anderson 2 years ago or even move Yanda over to RT (I love him at RG though)
How did you find out that we get a 1st and 3rd if a team signs him? I have not heard that yet. Even if it was the Colts first and 3rd, I would still make that deal man.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Don't know for sure...
I was just assuming that Gaither would receive the max tender amount. Obviously if he is tendered anything less, the Colts will be all over him. I believe the 1&3 tender is something like $2.8 million for 1 year (which isn’t that much for a starting OT.) So, if the Ravens offer that or better; 1&3 is the price for anyone who signs him away.
by invisibulman on Feb 23, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Would love it if we could do this. It would allow us to make some serious upgrades in the draft or even use those picks to bring in Marshall or another elite player.I think that would help us more rather than keeping Gaither.
Be incredible if we did get a 1st and 3rd for Gaither, traded away our original 1st and 3rd (depending on where the other picks are), get Marshall and STILL be able to upgrade this team.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
And since we move up, we could get Bryant
Screw the CBA Goodell, I have found a better loophole than sucking ass in the season and playoffs……
The night is darkest right before the dawn
by Zachary Beard on Feb 23, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
This might put us on a collision course for the AFCC...
The Colts only real weakness is the O-line, and two extra picks would make the Ravens ScaryGood. I see it as a win-win for us and a massive LOSE for the rest of the AFC mwahahahahahaha!!!
The Colts took Gaither to school so I’d be shoked if they jumped for him. Gaither let everyone in on the inside and Flacco got a lot of heat. I would take the 2 picks for him.
I am drooling at this possibility.
I didn’t know this was his tender.
The night is darkest right before the dawn
by Zachary Beard on Feb 23, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
No one would offer that. The only person stupid enough to do that is Al, and I doubt Gaither runs a fast 40.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 23, 2010 10:16 PM EST reply actions
I disagree. Gaither is one of the best and up and coming Tackles in the game. He will become a pro-bowler on a winning team.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I would still take Thomas, Clady, Long over him. Maybe even Monroe.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 24, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
I would take Thomas and Clady over Gaither as well. But no way Monroe. Don’t be a jealous Browns fan now.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Why would I be jealous when i have Thomas?
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 25, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
So suck on that fact
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by Zachary Beard on Feb 26, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'd hate for u to give a real answer
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 27, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Gaither will be overpaid and no,
not a Pro Bowler due to so many other better LT’s out there. I know you’re a Terp fan, MaLoR, but Gaither isn’t even the best LT on the Ravens (Oher is ALREADY better).
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 27, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I know this
Buy Gaither would have been a first round pick had he not failed out of UMD. That’s is usually the only way you get to the pro bowl at a O-Lineman, to be a first round pick.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
He might have been, but...
….every team passed on him for 4+ rounds in the June Supplemental Draft before we grabbed him with our 5th round.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 27, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
That’s because 1st round lineman usually end up better than late round lineman.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 27, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I agree... (except for Monroe)
…but those other guys are making massive salaries and aren’t available in FA. Hence, why Gaither is the target of my affection. He is not the best, no, but he is very good… and infinitely better than anyone the Colts currently have.
by invisibulman on Feb 27, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but
the Colts certainly protected Manning a lot better than Gaither and pals did for Flacco!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 28, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Just to be clear...
I don’t know for sure that Gaither will receive a 1st & 3rd Tender. The Ravens’ options would be:
1 year $3.2 million offer = 1st and 3rd compensation
1 year $2.5 million offer = 1st round compensation
1 year $1.8 million offer = 2nd round compensation
1 year $1.2 million offer = 5th round compensation
$3.2 million didn’t seem unreasonable for a starting LT, so I was just assuming that would be his tender. Since most Colts fans seem to be willing to give that up, Ravens might as well go for the max.
And it is still win win for us as well.
If we offer that and someone offers more, we get the draft picks. If we offer that and no one offers more, than we continue to have the best Tackle tandem in the NFL for years to come.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
with this oppurtunity, I can't wait until the offseason.
The night is darkest right before the dawn
by Zachary Beard on Feb 24, 2010 6:32 AM EST up reply actions
Which team are we talking about exactly? There is no way Gaither is worth a 1st and a 3rd round pick…
He may be worth a 1st round pick, but a savvy team would probably offer less.
Remember guys!
He was FIFTH round SUPPLEMENTAL Draft pick. Perhaps he might have gone in the first round of the “real” draft, but he didn’t.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 27, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I was asking as a Colts fan...
We have needed a franchise LT ever since Tarik Glenn retired, but constantly drafting 27-32 means you never get your hands on one. With very few needs other than o-line we are in a position to leverage picks. We would gladly give up a 1st rounder and possibly throw in the 3rd rounder as well to acquire one.
by invisibulman on Feb 27, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Tell Polihan to give me a call
I’ll twist Ozzie’s arm to go for that one, despite the 31st pick. Then we’ll just move Oher to the LT spot, Yanda can take the RT spot for now and we’ll draft 25th and 31st in the first round to take a DE and WR along with a couple of good FA signings and the Colts can watch us in SB 45 next year!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 28, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Two first rounders with Ozzie is not fair. Anyone remember ’96?
The night is darkest right before the dawn
by Zachary Beard on Feb 28, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Ogden and Ray-Ray
Two HOF players in on round of one draft
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by Zachary Beard on Feb 28, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I have an ineptitude for internet sarcasim
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by Zachary Beard on Feb 28, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Not only would I jump at that deal...
I’d take a 1st by itself for Jared. No offense, but I might even take a 3rd, as he is probably gone once he reaches FA status. With Boras as his agent, no way we re-sign him with Oher waiting to move over and become the next great JO type of LT.
aka 'Rexx'
His agent is Weasel Rosenhaus.
Isn’t Boras mainly with baseball players?
I was thinking today that I would take a 2nd at the least for Gaither. 3rd is pushing it a bit, Bruce. Gaither is a pro-bowl tackle who is shadowed by the first round guys in the afc. I would also do just a first for him.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I stand corrected on the agent
but their style is the same for the guys they rep. Gaither is NOT a Pro Bowl tackle. Until he is, stop calling him that.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 27, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think this will be a weak draft after the first 12 picks. I wouldn’t take a receiver in the the first 2 rounds at this point. I’m not even sure I’d take a CB. I think we need an interior pass rusher. We were strictly a run D in there. Ngata dropped off and Gregg is just about done. I would seriously think about dealing our 1st pick for a veteran or a few distant picks. The best receivers will be gone by our turn and the others are marginally different from the 3rd rounders.
The Suggs contract might haunt us like Albert Bells. I can’t believe the low production we are getting for that money. Wow. Peppers is asking similar money and our hands are tied. I know that Suggs is only 27 but he is in his prime and should be dominating with that contract.
Disagree about the draft
You obviously have not looked into it that much. Look at most of the experts opinions and they will say this draft is WR, CB, DE and TE heavy. And it is true. I honestly would rather trade out of the first for a few more 2nd and 3rd round picks because our needs fit the strentghs of this draft.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Have to disagree there...
This draft is very thin at WR. Aside from Dez Bryant I’m not sure there is another 1st round talent at WR. Same is true for CB outside of Haden. There are a whole mess of guys bunched up in the 2nd-3rd round range, but all have their flaws. DE class is ok. No elite prospects, but quite a few solid 1st-2nd rounders. TE class is Gresham (injured)… and then…. uh… Grankowski? Hernandez? Both look pretty good in the 3rd round, but sort of lukewarm before that. Not exactly game changers.
by invisibulman on Feb 24, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
You are agreeing with my point actually
I honestly would rather trade out of the first for a few more 2nd and 3rd round picks because our needs fit the strentghs of this draft.
I have been saying for about a month now that I do not see alot of first round talent in the WR and CB, but some very solid players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. As for TE, Anthony McCoy our of USC, Pita, Graham from from Miami.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Why wouldn't you go through with this?
Jared Gaither is maybe worth a third round pick, but certainly not a first round pick. I’d give him up in a heart beat.
by mlb32001 on Feb 24, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I am sure Ozzie would give up Gaither for even a 2nd round pick in a heartbeat considering we have Oher.
It is just the matter of fact if another team wants to go above the offer we give him and be willing to give up those draft picks. If a team like the Colts is looking for O-Line help, wouldn’t it make sense to give up a 1st and a 3rd for a proven Left Tackle like Gaither who can start immediately rather than taking a risk on a rookie that you are going to have to develop?
Again, it is a win – win situation for the Ravens if he stays or goes.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Gaither is worth more to the Ravens than any other team. He’s worth at least a first round pick to the Ravens but probably only a second rounder to other teams. I honestly think that Gaither will be sticking around for years to come (at RT), but if Ozzie is going to trade him, he should do it now. Gaither’s stock is about as high as it’s going to get.
No way Gaither moves to the right side
as RT’s make a ton less money than LT’s, who are the second highest paid player on most teams after the QB. Gaither will play LT either here (doubtful) or elsewhere.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 27, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Got a question for you
How much do the Terps suck right now? We are only 7-0 at home against the ACC.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
We had 1 brain fart
And look what we have done to the ACC, 10-3. We would beat W&M by 25 if we played them right now. That 1 loss should not determine whether or not we are bad. William and Mary beat Wake Forest and UCONN.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
True comment
that it is how you finish, not start. When the Terps beat Indiana I was impressed until I saw that so did Loyola as well as pretty much everyone else. Win at VT today and that will open people’s eyes.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 27, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
But Towson just beat W&M!
I’m just messing with you because I everyone else does. I just like to pick at UMD’s out of conference schedule… it’s like Boise State’s football schedule.
You guys can mess with me all you want
Cause I know I have proven all the buttheads wrong here about Gary and this team. Everyone here wanted Gary fired because of recruiting BS. Well UNC has SEVEN mcdonalds all Americans on their team and are 3-10 in the ACC. Let me repeat that raven and Bruce. SEVEN mcdonalds all Americans. Terps have how many and are 10-3 in ACC? Exactly. Gary really does suck as a coach and recruiter. That Jordan Williams is only in the top 15 freshman in the nation and on pace for ACC freshman of the year possibly. I even had some people ask me if it was ok to hop back on the terps wagon. Won’t mention any names cough rexx cough.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
somthing in your throat?
Who is that Rexx guy who was such a Terp hater? What shocked me was how far the Lady Terps have fallen, as they lost to Towson this year!
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by Bruce Raffel on Feb 27, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
why not...
He should be playing and paid as a LEFT tackle,Oher should move to the right,so let him go pckage the picks and go for Brandon Marshall.The change of scenery would do him good.He’s still young and then our offense would be brutal…
Oher will probably stay at RT this season
and depending on what happens with the CBA inb the 2011 off season, Gaither will be gone one way or another (traded/FA) and Oher will assume his natural and best position, LT.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Feb 27, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
is the deal off if we send a Mayflower truck to pick him up?
/I’m sorry that’s mean
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Hey, you guys have the same amount of wins in the same amount of games played as the city of Baltimore has, and we have 2 rings, u have 1.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
lol
I knew that one was a bit too mean right after I hit post
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
How does the new Lombardi look in the tropht case?
Oh wait….
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by Zachary Beard on Mar 3, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Being a Packers fan, and seeing the team in desperate need of a LT I would love for us to give up our 23rd pick to get him. LT is by far our biggest need, and seeing as how all the top tier LTs will be gone by 23 I think getting a proven one would be a good move. Gaither may not be a Pro Bowl player but he has all the ability to potentially turn into one. The guy is only 24. He has plenty of room to improve and he probably will.
Anyways what would you guys think about receiving our 23rd pick for him?
Packers can't have Gaither...
As part of the Final League Year of the CBA, a team may not sign a RFA for which another team has already made the call of dibs. You will notice that at 1:34PM PST on March 3rd I made such a call on the Colts behalf. The Packers are therefore forbidden to converse with Gaither on pain of swirlys and atomic wedgies.
by invisibulman on Mar 4, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be happy if we can just get one more 1st round pick!
The night is darkest right before the dawn
by Zachary Beard on Mar 4, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Jeez, someone grab Gaither, please!
25th and another first round pick? We could draft both a DE and a WR, or trade down into the second round for another WR or TE and garner another later pick for more depth. Oher can move to the left side right now and improve the line and we can easily fill the right side.
Someone please pull the trigger on Gaither!
aka 'Rexx'
Ya you have the packers, colts, cowboys and saints to name a few who are contenders and are in serious need of some LT help.
I love it
We think a 4th rounder that had a couple of decnt seasons is going to attract a 1st round pick. Hahaha!
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by Zachary Beard on Mar 4, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yet again, you have no clue what you are talking about.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Yeah, besides
he was a fifth round SUPPLEMENTAL Draft pick! Might have gone in 1st or 2nd round had he actually played more than his freshman season before getting kicked out of school, so not a bad deal for the Ravens and for the 20 year old kid who was at one point I believe the youngest player in the NFL.
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