Ravens lead Saints 21-14 at Half-Time 2nd-Half 'Open Thread'

Apology for what? Harbs gave up a TO for a wasted challenge and certainly didn’t “coach” anything that helped us out. Players saved that one coaches didn’t.

"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven

by GrumpyOldBird on Dec 19, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions

agreed, completely.

by waryou303 on Dec 19, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions

man…growing up without NFL football, seeing the beloved Colts playing in that red-necked shit-hole, Indiana (Sure they sucked most of the time, still pissed me off seeing the beautiful blue and white being soiled by that fat drunk Irsay). If you would have told me as a kid, that not only would Baltimore have a team, we would be going to the playoffs three years in a row, I would have laughed.

Do I agree with the coaches on everything they do? No, of course not. However, I got to give them their due for the record they got under Harbugh and company.

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Dec 19, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions

yeah i get what you say

and it’s kinda hard to respond, but i guess, our take is that imagine what record could this team have even this year if not for the maddening screwups, done obvioulsy by the coaching staff..

by waryou303 on Dec 19, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions

Ever fan....

of every team says the same thing. We all have 20/20 vision or believe we know better.

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Dec 19, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs

rec'd

"CAN WE PLOX STOP PLAYING COVER3 AND QUARTERS WIFF LEAD
Needa send like 6-7 like we do at start and make him throw wiff like 2 seconds RAWRR and give mcclain more carries ? o line = bad rice = small great but small give mcclain ball he get tough yards JFS"

--as so eloquently stated by pk_lucifer_pk

by jackmca on Dec 19, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions

It's not just fans complaining about our coaches

the players have done it, the coaches themselves have admitted they need to do their job better, and every expert in the world sees how bad this staff is.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 19, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions

Well like I’ve said before, they are obviously the most qualified for the position. We all know how good of a GM Ozzie is, maybe the best in the NFL. Do you think he’d give somebody who’s unqualified the job? No. Ozzie (and the coaches) know better than us, even though we don’t think so.

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by Zachary Beard on Dec 21, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions

So if Cameron gets fired in the offseason

what does that mean? Everyone makes mistakes, even Ozzie. We don’t really have a track record around here of excellent offensive coordinators.

by YeahDonnie on Dec 21, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions

We have never needed one

Every time Cam gets canned the team does better the next year. What is Zorn doing with Flacco?

by TheShadow on Dec 21, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions

he’s definitely improved his pocket prescence and his ability to extend the play

"CAN WE PLOX STOP PLAYING COVER3 AND QUARTERS WIFF LEAD
Needa send like 6-7 like we do at start and make him throw wiff like 2 seconds RAWRR and give mcclain more carries ? o line = bad rice = small great but small give mcclain ball he get tough yards JFS"

--as so eloquently stated by pk_lucifer_pk

by jackmca on Dec 22, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions

Let's not lump everyone in with the kids

I grew up with the Colts – in BALTIMORE. And I don’t mean the Bert Jones Colts – I’m talking Unitas and Berry. And unfortunately for your argument, I’ve seen how a 2 minute drill should be run – by the man who invented it.

"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven

by GrumpyOldBird on Dec 19, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions

I love Unitas...

but lets not be complete idiots. You take any player from that era and try to have them run their position today, not only would they get beat, they would get killed. The modern day blocking scheme for an offensive lineman is more complex than anything Unitas ran. Players today are more physical and smarter than they ever were back in his time. You cannot compare different players from different eras. For his time, Unitas was greater than any other QB, by far. His completions percentage alone, back in a time when pass interference did not exists, puts him in the hall of fame. Unitas couldn’t be a third string QB in the league today.

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Dec 19, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions

Um. no. Way off. That’s worse than me arguing Kruger should start over Johnson.

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by Zachary Beard on Dec 21, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions

yeah you can’t hold everyone to the unitas standard. there’s a whole lot of damn good football players out there, a lot of them hall of famers, who aren’t as good as Unitas. There’s less than 10 players who were better than him.

"CAN WE PLOX STOP PLAYING COVER3 AND QUARTERS WIFF LEAD
Needa send like 6-7 like we do at start and make him throw wiff like 2 seconds RAWRR and give mcclain more carries ? o line = bad rice = small great but small give mcclain ball he get tough yards JFS"

--as so eloquently stated by pk_lucifer_pk

by jackmca on Dec 19, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions

As usual

Neither of you understood what was being said. I wasn’t comparing anyone (I assume you think Flacco??) to Unitas. I was comparing Cam Cameron and John Harbaugh’s TERRIBLE play calling to someone who knew how to use the 2 minute drill to actually move down the field and score. Unitas’ knowledge (not even bringing in his ability to perform) of how to run an offense would make him easily the equivalent of whatever “very knowledgeable” current QB you care to mention – Peyton being the usual answer. John could easily have been an OC in today’s NFL. He understood the game and he understood what he needed to do to get it done on the field. Why anyone would assume he would lose that ability if transplanted to the modern era makes no sense at all.

As far as your contention that Unitas wouldn’t have survived in today’s NFL – bullshit! You make some incongruous assumption that he would not have been privy to current defensive formations etc. Why? If he’s playing in this era, he would be just as schooled in recognizing defenses as Brady or Manning are. And certainly as good or better at it than they are. Also, to reverse your argument, Brady and Manning and a host of others would never have, literally, survived in Unitas’ era. The first time someone kicked Brady in the face while he was on the ground (as happened to Unitas, breaking his nose), Brady would retire. John went back in to finish the game. There would be, as UMBC said, no interference penalties to save every borderline QB decision. There were hardly ANY penalties to aid the offense. So Brady or Manning could cry all day about fouls and no one would care. They’d be a LOT less effective than they are in the age of protected prima donnas at QB.

"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven

by GrumpyOldBird on Dec 20, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions

I think you’re responding more to UMBC than me.

I’m just saying that while our clock management isn’t very good, we could do a lot worse, whether you were referring to the players or the coaches that hold true.

"CAN WE PLOX STOP PLAYING COVER3 AND QUARTERS WIFF LEAD
Needa send like 6-7 like we do at start and make him throw wiff like 2 seconds RAWRR and give mcclain more carries ? o line = bad rice = small great but small give mcclain ball he get tough yards JFS"

--as so eloquently stated by pk_lucifer_pk

by jackmca on Dec 20, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions

You're right

I was more responding to UMBC than you, but you answered with my alleged holding everyone to a “Unitas” standard and that really wasn’t what I was talking about. So only the first sentence or two was meant to include you.

My initial comment was to BW because in the first half open thread, when it was obvious we were about to allow another late 2nd Q drive to score, I said something and he responded with something to the effect of, “Don’t worry – he [Harbaugh] has got this.” Which obviously he didn’t. He then asked me to apologize – I can only assume for pointing that out. At no time was I trying to make any allusion to John Unitas except to say, in response to earlier in this thread, that a) Not a kid – by any stretch of the imagination and b) I’ve seen firsthand how someone who KNOWS how to run a 2 minute drill does it and Harbaugh and Cameron aren’t those people. But there are, clearly, a number of people in the current NFL who do know how. I meant no comparison to whether any of them beyond Harbs and Cam could do it as well as Unitas.

"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven

by GrumpyOldBird on Dec 20, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions

Harbaugh has clearly inherited what deadspin.com would call Andy Reid’s “aggressively poor clock management”

"CAN WE PLOX STOP PLAYING COVER3 AND QUARTERS WIFF LEAD
Needa send like 6-7 like we do at start and make him throw wiff like 2 seconds RAWRR and give mcclain more carries ? o line = bad rice = small great but small give mcclain ball he get tough yards JFS"

--as so eloquently stated by pk_lucifer_pk

by jackmca on Dec 20, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions

That or Harbaugh is just a wizard. 0.o

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by Zachary Beard on Dec 21, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions

I said we got it.

We got it.

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by Zachary Beard on Dec 19, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions

You said "He's [Harbaugh] got this.

He didn’t

"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven

by GrumpyOldBird on Dec 21, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions

Technicalities…

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by Zachary Beard on Dec 21, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions

cundiff with the stick!

by ryantz on Dec 19, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions

phew, dammit, i could not believe it until it was really over

by waryou303 on Dec 19, 2010 4:18 PM EST reply actions

yay. we kinda didnt blow it.

by mookie_20 on Dec 19, 2010 4:18 PM EST reply actions

Still haven't scored a touchdown in the 2nd half

Purple Crush for best kicker in the NFL

by terpfan812 on Dec 19, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions

thats where the ‘kinda’ part comes in.

by mookie_20 on Dec 19, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions

How long has it been? Definitely not all year.

by Roa on Dec 19, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions

13 games?

"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven

by GrumpyOldBird on Dec 19, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions

sorry that should have said 3 games

"Cam Cameron…even his parents where obvious and repetitive." - raven

by GrumpyOldBird on Dec 19, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions

One of which was against the Steelers so forgivable. One that was a problem and today which didn't end all that badly.

At least the offense managed to waste a decent chunk of time and get in FG range.

by Roa on Dec 19, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions

since week 10 i think they said

by waryou303 on Dec 19, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions

Gosh, what a terrible team we are. NO 2nd HALF POINTS?! Scrubs I say!

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by Zachary Beard on Dec 21, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions

EPIC FRIGGIN' BY THE GIANTS!

by E-ROC on Dec 19, 2010 4:22 PM EST reply actions

FAIL*

by E-ROC on Dec 19, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions

Giants pulled an us

by Roa on Dec 19, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions

Lol

by E-ROC on Dec 19, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions

Not a Super Bowl team?

Please…

by mlb32001 on Dec 19, 2010 4:27 PM EST reply actions

First game all year I didn't pick the Ravens to win...

in my work pool. It’s okay by me. Loved that win! Awesome in an ugly kind of way… But it’s still a victory. Go Jets!!!

by Smiley4660 on Dec 19, 2010 4:35 PM EST reply actions

Where is that guy that said he knew the saints would win and he’s not sweating this game? Great win. Now let’s see what Pittsburgh does.

by Raven_all_day on Dec 19, 2010 4:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions

A bit of news on the dissapointing side to fufill the pessimism that goes around here

Colts won

by Roa on Dec 19, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions

Oh well, I still think Manning is dropping off faster than fat guy skydiving without a parachute.

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by Zachary Beard on Dec 21, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions

yeah there’s no chance of them making the playoffs or anything… oh wait…

"CAN WE PLOX STOP PLAYING COVER3 AND QUARTERS WIFF LEAD
Needa send like 6-7 like we do at start and make him throw wiff like 2 seconds RAWRR and give mcclain more carries ? o line = bad rice = small great but small give mcclain ball he get tough yards JFS"

--as so eloquently stated by pk_lucifer_pk

by jackmca on Dec 21, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions

Lol Brad Smith

by Roa on Dec 19, 2010 4:43 PM EST reply actions

I'm done with this team.

Send them back to Cleveland.

"My youngest brothers think I'm a dorky older brother, I can't tell jokes because, 'I'm not funny.' They're much more street smart than I am. They can say whatever they want, cause 'they're funny.' I do pick on them. I try to be funny, but they don't laugh. Even if I am funny, nothing I say is funny to them because I'm just the older brother who's not that cool." - Joe Flacco

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 19, 2010 5:43 PM EST reply actions