Good Grief, Ravens Fans: It WAS a Win!
by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
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PrintI am shocked at all the negative comments being left on these blogs and heard on sports-talk radio after the Baltimore Ravens defeated the Kansas City Chiefs 38-24 at M&T Bank Stadium yesterday afternoon. I guess that last year's success and our great run with a top notch defense has made everyone think we should win every game by a shutout.
Even 501 yards of record setting offense isn't enough to quiet the naysayers. Our defense gave up a total of 188 yards to the Chiefs, 50 of them coming on one play after Kansas City's drive was extended by another phantom roughing the passer penalty.
(More "Grief" after the "Jump.")
The Chiefs had one long drive, aided I as said before by a penalty and long pass, but still had a tough time all day long. They were 2-10 on third downs and RB Larry Johnson, the last player to run for over 100 yards on us (2006) was held to 20 yards on eleven carries! We didn't have the picks that this defense is known for and that is a surprise to everyone but then again, most of Brodie Croyle's throws were short and had more YAC that air under them, averaging under six yards per attempt.
The defense confused and pressured Croyle all day and he seemed to fail to utilize his biggest target in Dwayne Bowe until later in the game. Why the Chiefs stubbornly continued to try to run the ball inside confused me as well as why they didn't try to let their wideouts outmuscle our smaller DB's all day.
Offensively, there are those who are lamenting the fact that QB Joe Flacco missed on 17 passes, rather than the fact he hit on 26 of them to a bevy of his receivers for his first career 300 yard passing game as the Ravens rolled up a franchise record 501 yards of total offense on the day. Both Flacco and RB Ray Rice had great days, as did Willis McGahee (2-TD's). It was great to see Todd Heap back to his old self and even Mark Clayton seemed to not be feeling any effects from his hamstring injury with a lead taking long TD recdeption late in the 4th quarter.
Got to give kudos to rookie RT Michael Oher for run and pass blocking like a stud, and while there were times that Flacco had to take off and run, he was protected well all game long and only sacked once. His run total of 18 yards wasn't from pressure as much as it was from his receivers being covered, but it's nice to know he can move around pretty well for a big kid. The one interception was a mistake but with 300+ yards and three passing TD's, I'll take the tradeoff any day.
Don't despair about the kicking game - just yet. Having a punt blocked is rare and should not happen again, much less having one blocked and recovered for a TD! Placekicker Steven Hauschka missed a FG that he should have made and looked tentative on his other kicks. Even his made FG just cleared the crossbar when we saw him nailing 50+ yard kicks in Training Camp and his leg is "longer" than that. Any talk of bringing back Matt Stover is ridiculous because Stover was absolutely horrible the first few games of 2008 and finished rated 27th in the NFL last year in accuracy.
Overall, the win showed that this team is not going to be considered one-dimensional anymore and the offense can win games for us if we need them to. That has been the knock on this team and with this opening day performance, regardless of whom it came against, it should send a clear message to any team that thinks it's going to attack our defense and shut down our offense.
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Amen Bruce
keep up the good commentary. i completely agree.
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
Anyone notice anything strange in this picture from the Team photo shoot today?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Yeah
Flacco is the only QB not wearing a hat.
D will looks like he is going to hurt someone (kind of ironic, if you think about it)
That’s what I was thinking. And Clayton is resting his head on Birk’s shoulder. But I just cannot figure out what about this picture JUMPS out at me…….
If anyone can figure out what JUMPS out of this picture, please let me know.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
must be the hashmarks
yeah, the hashmarks. those are indelible hashmarks.
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
Yeah, what's Justin Harper
doing in the photo shoot?
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
On why the score is not indicative of the game
The last time the Chiefs were 2 (or more) on turnovers and still lost by 14 points was 1977 (Houston). It’s a very hard thing to accomplish. In order for that to be the case, you almost have to have been beaten like a rented mule the rest of the game.
that's a good article
but at the same time, their turnovers weren’t complete flukes. We get a lot of turnovers because we play aggressive, confident defense. If Haley has changed that identity—and he may have—then this may be a team that starts to RAISE their mean rather than REVERT to their mean when it comes to turnovers. I’m not predicting that they’ll have more INTs than the Ravens defense this year—I’m not saying that at all—but I’m saying that some of those “breaks” in games that people call “lucky” are in fact not all luck. As Ed Reed has proven, a lot of it is a combination of a lucky mistake the other team made combined with excellent reaction and capitalization on the part of your defense (or special teams, since I think blocked punts are tantamount to turnovers).
So while I agree with the gist of the article that the Ravens dominated for the most part, I don’t think this Chiefs fan should be so depressed by this game. The score does matter and those breaks may happen for the Chiefs again if they keep their mind right and play with a carniverous attitude!
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
Agree with most pts
I think the Chiefs showed heart and will continue to improve and win at least double the games this year, compared to last (2).
The turnovers might not be a fluke, but scoring a TD on a pick, and a blocked field goal, are not things that can be counted on. So to that extent, the plays might not have been “luck”, but the end result of a touchdown, has to be attributed to nice breaks for the Chiefs. The Ravens could have easily tackled Derrick Johnson after the pick, as well as recovered the ball off the blocked Field Goal for a safety.
Agreed.
As I said in another comment, this game’s score was much closer than it should have been. When teams get dominated like the Chiefs did yesterday, the scoreboard usually reflects it. Sometimes that is not that case, but that is the mystery of football that keeps us watching.
The point is: If we continue to dominate on both sides of the ball (especially on the line of scrimmage), we will usually have huge margins of victory and, most importantly, win games. In the Chiefs game, the margin of victory did not reflect our dominance, but at least we won the game.
Definition
Luck – where preparation meets opportunity.
Great link!
All Ravens (and Chiefs) fans should read this, written by a Chiefs’ writer, not Baltimore!
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Great game!
Shockers for me:
1. Cassel and Flowers not playing. Cudos to The Ravens Offense for picking on the backup cornerback. I think the results would have been the same, but the game would have been more competitive.
2. Stopping LJ. Again cudos. All indications were that LJ was back to old form. That was no small task. That Defense is fast compared to KC’s.
3. 501 yards of offense are you kidding me?
So, Ive been proven wrong on all of my alcohal induced smack talk. Cudos, again. I think as a Chiefs fan, it felt like we were getting smacked around, but every once in away there was a play that made you jump out of your seat. I thought we might steal one, even though we were badly outplayed, but it just didn’t go that way, KC’s D was just worn down, being on the field all day.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Apology accepted and
thanks like taking it like a man, cpa. But the defense wasn’t just worn down as you say. They were beaten up in the FIRST quarter when we pushed them all over the field. So it wasn’t the wear and tear, just a huge difference in personnel.
Good luck to the Chiefs in the AFC West!
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruce it was a good game and very fun to watch outcome notwithstanding
Did it seem that the Ravens offense kept more than usual in on pass protection or is what we Chiefs fans saw was about average? Was trying to gauge the Chiefs D pass rush versus Ravens usual O-line protection?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 14, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really at all
last year they kept Heap in to block but now they’re sending him out as you could see!
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
the last time...
… I seen a team get beaten like a rented mule, was the losing team in the 2008 AFC Championship game. Hmmm…who was that ?
by matriculatin' on Sep 14, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw that game
and it was pretty close until the last few minutes.
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree Bruce.
It was easy to say before the game that Baltimore should win very convincingly. Something like 30-6 or 27-3, but as Ray Lewis is notorious for saying, “football is football.” Sometimes s*** happens, i’m not sure why everyone is freaking out. Even if our defense has taken a step back, our offense has undoubtedly taken many steps forward.
seriously
our Defense did what they needed to do. Ask most D-Coordinators in the NFL, “would you be happy if your defense only allowed one scoring drive?” and they’ll say “yeah, i’d be real happy.” Our D basically only allowed one such drive, except for the 7-yard field they couldn’t defend after Flacco’s near pick six.
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
Obviously "adh"
you read my comment all wrong. I was agreeing with Bruce! But i guess i worded it wrong. By me saying “…even if the Defense has taken a step back…” I was trying to imply that if even that was the case our offense is soo much better this year than it was last year that it really wouldn’t matter!
by FEARtheTERP1 on Sep 15, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think one thing we can all be upset about is the performance from Chris Carr. He looked terrible out there, even with the Chiefs punter booming it 55-60 yards and giving Carr even more room to make a play. He better step up his game, cause we brought him here to improve what was already a fairly solid return game.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
If Webb can hold onto the ball
I’d give him a shot. Perhaps when we’re up by a ton next week, he can get a chance.
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It cracks me up
That every Ravens roughing the passer call is “phantom”. He clearly went for Croyle’s head, his damn arm was wrapped around his neck.
You guys did have a good day, but I just wanted to point out that that was definitely a penalty.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
If JJ
was intentionally going for Croyle’s head, he would have put him out of the game. The rule states “striking” is illegal, not wrapping up, so based on your analysis, it was a BS call..
He did strike his head...
And while he did, his arm was around his neck. By my analysis it was still a roughing the passer. Clear as day really.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess is there will be
a rather large fine coming for that play. It looked horrible.
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Actually
It was intentional, but it was Haley who designed the play, something about him being pissed at Croyle for not snapping the ball…yeah, it was totally Haley’s idea..
He was in the air
when the ball was released and had no ability to stop his flying tackle. How could he help it if Croyle’s head was in his way!?
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I tried to find the hit online
It wasn’t in any highlight videos, oh well.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
let me know when you find it
because i honestly can’t remember it well enough to have an opinion right now
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
Look at it this way
it was nowhere near as intentional or vicious as what Clark did to McGahee in the AFC title game, except they threw a flag this time..go figure. typical BS..
Nah
as much as I hate the Steelers, it was clean, but violent.
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not debating
whether Clark’s hit was clean. In fact just the opposite, what I am saying is that if Clark was not flagged for that play, JJ should not have been flagged for the hit on Croyle.
JJ even spoke with the ref regarding the call, and the official admitted to him that it was “close” and alluded to the propensity for those types of “close” calls to go in favor of the QB (no shocker there). My guess is, he puts that hit on LJ, no flag.
My point here is, no harm, no foul. It was obvious that JJ did not intend to injure Croyle, it was admittedly borderline, and Croyle did not get hurt, that should not be a penalty.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-sp.ravensnotes14sep14,0,4786803.story
So you only call roughing the passer calls when the QB gets injured? The point of the “ticky-tack” rules is to prevent QBs from getting hurt by making defensive players think before just unloading on a QB.
You may not like it, but I think it’s right to do. It keeps Flacco from being injured because some bonehead wanted to see if he could take his helmet off without unbuckling the snaps.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
but the “Brady Rule” if officially awful. Did you see the flag they gave Wilfork last night? ABSURD. I would coach ANY PLAYER to make that hit. He wrapped him up at the belt. Isn’t that proper football technique? What is happening to this game?
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
+1
absurd is correct. Dude hit him ABOVE the knees and was JUST making the tackle, and a classic technique at that! JJ’s hit on Croyle was ridiculous as he lept in the air BEFORE Croyle stopped and released the ball. If he’d taken another step and not thrown it, he would have been hit in the back of the shoulders like JJ intended!
Bogus call(s).
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 15, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah I didn't see it
I agree though, the Brady rule is going to be very very weird on how its called.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
So you only call roughing the passer calls when the QB gets injured?
Not at all.
some bonehead wanted to see if he could take his helmet off without unbuckling the snaps.
This does not apply to the hit Johnson put on Croyle. When did we start discussing Hines Ward?
In this case it was a borderline call that should not have been flagged. It was obvious that JJ did not intend to “take his helmet off without unbuckling the snaps.”
My point is, that if an official can determine that the Clark hit did not deserve a flag, then they should be able to determine that this hit did not deserve a flag. Here is the formula: Borderline infraction + non-intentional + no injury = no flag.
Haha
You missed my point. They set up these rules and flag any close calls to dissuade LBs from making the hits that do deliver injuries. That’s all I’m saying.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So
you think flagging all close calls is a good idea? Even if it is obviously unintentional, and no injury results. We will have to agree to disagree. Gotta say though, I would be surprised if most support your view..
No
But the one we are originally referring to was not as close as you are making it out to be.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I still say
let ‘em play. I’m willing to take it both ways but as aggressive this defense is, that style of refereeing (letting them play!) benefits us more than others.
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 15, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Johnny. Johnson’s hit, although unintentionally high, was a penalty.
He had his arms wrapped around Croyle’s helmet if I remember correctly.
Fair enough
Some flaws to your logic:
Here is Johnny’s description of the type of player and style of play the rule is intended for:
some bonehead wanted to see if he could take his helmet off without unbuckling the snaps.
If you agree with Johnny, then you are characterizing JJ as that type of player with that style of play.
You admit in your post that based on your opinion the hit was unintentional which is in direct contradiction to Johnny’s argument.
So you really don’t completely agree with him, you just think that offense deserves more protection. Like I said to Johnny agree to disagree on that. That part of the debate was over, we agreed to disagree. No more debate there, done, over, finished.
The only remaining point Johnny wanted to debate was:
the one we are originally referring to was not as close as you are making it out to be.
I interpreted this as Johnny inferring that JJ’s hit was intentionally dirty, which you and I both agree, it was not. So in reality even though you may think you agree with Johnny, from what you posted you actually agree with me. Welcome to the winning team, good to have another believer…
yeah
clark’s hit on McGahee was clean. come on, seriously, if Landy had put that hit on Willie Parker, would you say it was a helmet to helmet? No, you say it was clean.
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
Correct
but I am not debating that.. (see response to Bruce)
i guess i misunderstood you
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
I have the game taped
Anytime you want to watch it and I can show you why you are wrong, please let me know.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude
It cracks me up
That every Ravens roughing the passer call is "phantom".
Your on a Ravens board filled with homers. What do you expect?
Your on a Ravens board
(It’s actually You’re) but that definitely begs the question, why is he here?
Said it before
Know thy enemy. I also visit the Bengals and Browns boards. I date not post there though, because those guys are potentially mentally unstable/not intelligent.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Banned from the Browns blog 3 times. First time was after 1 total of 19 comments. And they were not eve bad. Just some friendly trash talk, and I guess losing by a Suggs interception after being up 14 in the 4th quarter drove them mad.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Johnny- you're welcome here
your comments whether we agree or not are appropriate, although ill informed at times and bewildering to us how you could follow that ugly color of black and gold. However, the banter is a lot of fun. Stick around!
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Regal?
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I surprised you have that photo
in your personal collection. What did Rush Limbaugh say about the purple one again…?
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 15, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I googled purple
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Then that must be...Favre
holding his new moneybag!
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 15, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait?
I have to know something to have an argument about it? Damn, I’ve been doing it wrong.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a bit of a muddled and confused Pittsburgh fan.
I figure if he’ll be commenting about the Ravens all year, he deserves an intro.
by drj on Sep 15, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Semantics
I never said Bettis was on the 91 team. Just that I fell in love with him and Woodson once I started watching them. Instantly, wasn’t the word I should have used, but I forgot bloggers break down every word you use.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Kudos to you tho
For spending 30 or whatever minutes looking that up.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Noise?
I’m a ninja.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 15, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Touche
Like how some guy posted on the Steelers blog today that Crumpler falling on Troy’s knee was dirty and intentional… haha
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Sep 14, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
man, Ray Rice
that guy is like a mongoose
by nathan rothschild on Sep 14, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
Is that racist?
Is it bad to be called “mongoose?”
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
no
it means you have incredible quickness and agility
by nathan rothschild on Sep 15, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Cognitive Dissonance
2 reasons why there isn’t as much joy:
1) The pit in all of our stomachs that we felt at the end of the third quarter — “we could lose this game” and “how could we have made so many stupid mistakes”. That’s understandable.
2) I think the second reason is much more interesting. I don’t think that any of our fans have a good experience on what it is like for the offense to win the game and how games might play out when we really have a good offense. I think that most fans would have been more comfortable with a 17-0 old-fashioned win.
My sister-in-law who is a big fan
said it was an interesting game with KC bering in it until the end. I said I’d take a 40-0 boring slaughter anyday!
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Heap getting open
I’ve yet to watch much film of the game, but commented on Heap getting constantly open for a column I’m writing.
Do you think it was more the result of Heap rebounding, the Chiefs’ linebackers/S Mays just being slow in coverage, or a combination of both?
by Bryan Everson (The Royalty of Roto) on Sep 14, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
combination
according to Harbaugh though, when he came in he’d obviously heard a lot about Heap. But he didn’t really see anything dazzling until this offseason. Now, he says, he sees why people think this guy is so special. I think last year, the combination of being kept in to block so often as well as constantly being listed as Questionable or Probable at game time must have affected his performance. he’s a tough guy, but injuries can make you physically less athletic even if you are tough enough to play through them.
All in all, Heap looks like he always used to and it’s a nice sight to see after a rough year in 2007 and an unusual year for him in 2008 when he sortof had to change his playing style a bit. Hopefully he continues this level of play.
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
It helps to have a better o-line
with the addition of Oher at RT and Matt Birk at center, so now we can send Heap out instead of staying in to pass protect.
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 14, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The wideouts
took a lot of the coverage away from Heap’s area, leaving him one-on-one w/ a LB, which is a mismatch for a healthy Heap!
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yo it is NOT cool
that Pittsburgh fans chant “HEEEAAATHH” when heath Miller makes a catch. That is lame. That’s the HEAP chant, not the HEATH chant! Johnny S, what say you!?!?!
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
Yea lol
I tried explaining this to the Steelers fans during their game against the Titans, but they refused to admit I was right. We have been saying HEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAPPPPPPP since 2001 when Todd came into the league. Heath has been in the league for about 3-4 years less than Todd.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Oh I see, so Steelers fans can't chant HEEEEEEEEATH, because
Raven’s fans chant HEEEEEEEEEEEAP Really? So let me ask you, is it the fact that you have trademarked the vowel E?
Should Seattle fans not chant HOOOOOOUSH when Houshmandzadeh makes a catch because Cowboy fans used to chant MOOOOOOOOOOSE when Daryl Johnston used to make a play. Did Dallas trademark the vowel O?
As a matter of fact, I believe other teams have handed out towels before games and had the fans wave them, I never saw it as a slight to the terrible towel. I guess Raven’s fans should try and trademark HEEEEEEEEEEEAP…you can call it the terrible vowel.
this is called "biting"
we can’t sue you for it. we can’t press charges for it. But we can object to it, because it’s lame. It’s like you wearing the sunglasses only I had because you thought they looked cool. Except you bought a knockoff brand and use that as an excuse for it being original.
And you SHOULD see those towels as biting the terrible towel, because that’s exactly what they are! We don’t wave towels, do we? We do a lot of things but we don’t wave your towels.
Go ahead and chant “HEEEEEATH.” Just know that everyone else knows it’s completely lame that you stole the cheer for your TE from your rivals’ cheer for their TE.
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
I don't think anyone would argue its original (just like in the Seattle/Dallas example)
Is it because they are both TE? Is it because they both play in the same division? Is it because they both have a long E in their last name, at the same position, in the same division? What is about fans yelling out a vowel (yes, a vowel) that makes you upset?
I’ll bet I could go find an example of another team (prior to B-more doing it) that had fans yelling the vowel E. Would you then admit that the Raven’s stole it? No, and you shouldn’t. Once again, what is that makes you so irritated by it?
first of all, you seem a lot more irritated right now than I am. I’m just saying you guys look like losers. I’m not personally afflicted by this in any way. I just think it’s lame. You’ll notice my original comment said something to the effect of “it’s not cool.” So it’s obviously not a matter of life and death and I will get over it since you’ll probably just keep cheering HEEEEEEEATH anyway.
I just think you’re avoiding the obvious fact that they’re both Tight Ends, in the same division, with incredibly similar hometown cheers, one of whom came before the other. If you think that’s completely insignificant, then that’s you. But I don’t think what I’m saying is THAT rediculous; Heath’s chant is SO MUCH like Heap’s chant that I think it can safely be called “biting.” Even more so than the Moose/Housh example, since Moose and Housh played in different divisions at different times.
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
lets think of some other examples...
if James Harrison came out doing the signature Ray Lewis girations, that would be totally cool by your logic because Ray Lewis did not trademark his giration dance.
If we called Willis McGahee “Fast Willis” that would not be biting Willie Parker at all because Willie Parker cannot trademark the word “fast.” Yeah, that wouldn’t be lame at all, would it? (Let’s leave aside the “but willie is faster” argument as it has no relevance to this debate.)
It’s one thing if there’s a generational gap like between Housh and Moose (who also never played in the same division, let alone between rivals), but the Heath/Heap thing is totally simultaneous and it’s PAINFULLY obvious that the chant began in Baltimore before it was mysteriously claimed as Pittsburgh’s own.
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
Imitation is the finest form of flattery
every time you guys chant “Heeaathh” we will gladly accept that as imitation, thank you and you’re welcome.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Sep 15, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
The Good:
1. Ray Rice
2. Showing confidence in the passing gme early and often
3. Balancing 3 running back and getting them all in the passing game.
4. Defence. Early Pressure. DB play. Long pass actually covered but poor pass allowed receiver to cut in and get it. A good pass and Fabian knocks it down.
5. Flacco ignoring the rush. Pocket presence.
6. Cam provides nice mix and played to win most of the time.
7. Receivers all contributed and excelled.
8. Johnson breaking out.
9. Balanced D no longer falling on Rays shoulders.
10. O-Line
The Curious:
1. *Cam’s 2nd and 1 play calls. Very conservative with runs and not taking advantage of the best passing situation. With us dominating the line of scrimmage 2nd and 1 called for a pass. Missed opportunity here. There is no doubt we could get 1 yard with 3rd and 4th downs.
2. * Unlike Pitt. our receivers and Rb’s had poor awareness when Joe was in trouble. On a number of plays they were still 1/2 ass blocking while Joe is looking for someone to come back to him. Rice and Heap need to have a clock in their heads and turn around for the dump instead of getting caught up in a block for an undue amount of time.
The Negative:
Nothing!! Freak plays kept KC “in it” and it took a toll on the D. It is interesting and true that our D sinks a little when they get screwed out of points. It’s almost like they want a shut out or nothing. It takes them a while to recover from the sting of a TD against them. They need to have thicker skin. A nice problem to have and I can’t blame them.
Freak long pass to KC receiver. Freak block. 8 Raven penalties for 65 yards or more. Missed FG by Ravens. First game. Record setting O performance. No complaints. It was almost stolen but 10 out of 10 things had to go right for the Chiefs. The better teams win. Bad ones lose. See Broncos over Bengals, Pats over Bills, Green Bay over Chicago, Pitt. over Tenn.. It’s ugly but that’s football.
I'll take Cam's playcalling
and just trying to get a new full set of downs on 2nd and one works for me. However, notice how he didn’t need to pull any trick plays out of his bag? Better be watching for one, San Diego.
Stay classy!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Sep 15, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I was surprised as anyone to see the Chiefs hanging in there
but it was opening day, you never know what can happen. It looked to me like Flacco is a legitimate stud QB and that is bad news for the rest of the league. Ozzie Newsome is doing a fantastic job over there in Baltimore.
The Chiefs didn't earn the right to "hang" in there,..
…we “let” them hang in there by giving them those two “gifts.”
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Sep 15, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
apuuurrrciate the props homie
"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down
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