Does Mason's Return Actually Make Us Better?
This is the question that I am posing to everyone today. I'm sure that an overwhelming majority will just laugh at this headline and vote yes. Of course, Derrick Mason makes us a better team, as he was the team's leading receiver since he got here and had over 1,000 receiving yards, and was among the league leaders in receptions. Without Mason, our only receiver with any legitimate production was Mark Clayton, who had 41 catches and five TD's in 2008. Other than that, the trio of Demetrius Williams, Marcus Smith and Justin Harper were virtually and statistically invisible last season.
But then how do I even attempt to convince you that all might not be wonderful now that Mason is returning for the 2009 season? Now before you boo and laugh me off my soapbox, hear me out on this. With Mason and Clayton in the first two receiving spots, we know that they will catch an overwelming majority of passes from Flacco this season. No matter who plays as the slot or third receiver, much less the fourth or fifth, they won't make anywhere near the contributions of the first two. My issue and point centers around the "type" of receivers that both Mason and Clayton have been. While Clayton has had a few nice longer passes, bit guys are more likely to be "possession" receivers than long ball targets. Yeah, D-Will and the others might be able to break a long one now and then, but due to our 'mantra' of being a run-first offense, how many times will we be looking at these types of three receiver sets?
With two receivers who bring significantly different skill sets to the line of scrimmage, the defense has to gameplan for more possibilities. If Mason had stayed "retired," our starting receiver lineup (had there been no more signings) could have been Clayton, Williams and either Harper or Smith. All three or even four bring different skills to the line each time they're on the field. We'd have a possession guy, an over-the-middle guy, and a deep burner on the field at the same time. I realize the quick response is that there is no experience with most of those names, but how do you think the Broncos fans felt when the lined up Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal at WR as the 2008 season began. Marshall was good in 2007, but only had 20 receptions in 2006, his rookie season. Royal was a rookie from Virginia Tech, where he was a teammate of Justin Harper's, and perhaps not even the best receiver on the Hokie's. Also, look at the St. Louis Rams, where they drafted a guy named Donnie Avery out of the University of Houston, who went on to be a solid deep threat with 53 receptions for almost 700 yards and three TD's just by getting the chance for the Rams. As a college senior, he caught 91 passes, the exact same number as the Ravens' Marcus Smith caught at New Mexico that season.
The difference between Royal and Avery, as opposed to Harper and Smith? Those first two just got the chance to prove they could play in the NFL and made the most of their chances. Every Brandon Marshall and Anquan Boldin have to start somewhere with zero career NFL catches. I was believing that by the end of the 2009 season, the Ravens would have their own, new "Marshall" or "Boldin" on their roster in one of those two young guys. Now, with the return of Mason who gives us pretty much the same schemes in the passing game, the opportunities for these kids to show us what they can do will be pushed further down on the depth chart, leading them to secretly hope for an injury or other opportunity for them to be given the chance to step up.
So are we truly better now that Derrick Mason has returned to the team? While he is definitely an excellent player, I'm just not convinced the alternative might have been better in the long run for the team.
Allright, now you can start throwing stones, unless of course, you now are beginning to see my point and think I may have an interesting take on this situation.
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I disagree. Without Derrick Mason,
this receiving core would have more questions than answers. Can Williams stay healthy? Is Clayton a legit number one receiver? Is Marcus Smith anything more than a special teams ace? Can Todd Heap healthy? Ditto for LJ Smith?
Adding a talent such as Derrick Mason is never a bad thing. Mason is a consistent target for Flacco, and one that the latter counts on in big situations.
by E-ROC on Aug 4, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its an interesting view, but based on faulty assumptions!
If you were to assume that Coach Cam and Coach Hargaugh would ignore any progress or potential they see in the young receivers in camp and just automatically return to the old line-up and plays, then I would tend to agree with you. But I think that it would be naive to think that the Coaches aren’t watching these receivers like hawks seeing any way they can add new wrinkles to our game plan. I am sure that they will try these guys out in different game situations and if they can prove themselves, they will earn more PT. Just because Mason returns doesn’t necessarily mean that we won’t see any of the other guys in the field. Especially with more of the playbook being opened to Joe, I would expect more 3 and four wide sets.
by VJ_ on Aug 4, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Faulty assumptions?
I’m sure there is progress with younger receivers being seen in practice, but that has to translate to game action. We haven’t seen that yet. I’m sure they’ll get on the field with a chance to prove their for real. I hope they do accomplish what we think they are capable of doing. The health concerns for the players a I mentioned are legit. Williams is returning from a torn Achilles tendon. That’s a serious injury. Its great to read that he has bulk up and is able to maintain his explosiveness. Health concerns for Heap and LJ Smith will always be there. The return of Mason won’t stunt the growth of the young receivers. They’ll either shine or fade to black.
by E-ROC on Aug 4, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it does.
Not only is Derrick Mason one of the most longest tenured ravens on the team, he is also Flacco’s safety blanket and favorite reciever to go to. Derrick Mason is one of the best possesion recievers in the NFL in my opinion. And with Mason’s return it gives the team reassurance that we can make it back to the AFCC game and go even further than that.
For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.
by iLL on Aug 4, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Bruce, Good QB’s spread the ball around, see Tom Brady in NE, especially before Moss and Welker came. The other guys may step up, but are not proven by any means. Stepping up for Marcus Smith or Williams does not mean being a 1/2 option and catching 50+ balls. If they catch ~30 each, that would be a huge step forward considering Marcus Smith has zero catches in his career. Let these guys contribute as secondary options before we throw them in the fire and expect them to produce as starters. One step at a time.
Clearly we are better with a proven option at WR who has an established comfort level with Joe. Even with Mason, I expect at least four WR’s to make legitimate contributions to this team. Cam is a smart coordinator and Joe is a good QB, so I do not expect him to lock onto only one or two guys as he did at times during his rookie season.
by DT711 on Aug 4, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously,...
you’re not comparing Joe to Tom, are you?
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by Bruce Raffel on Aug 4, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not directly
But I am comparing well run offenses with good QB’s. They spread the ball around. Tom was a good example before he had Moss and Welker, since he routinely had 4-5 WR’s who contributed regularly to the passing game.
by DT711 on Aug 4, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have half those amount of WR.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Aug 4, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea right.
For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.
by iLL on Aug 4, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think while we don’t have any certified studs at WR, we do have plenty of guys who can contribute. David Givens, Troy Brown, Deion Branch and others are no better then what we have….
D. Mason
M. Clayton
D. Williams
M. Smith
K. Washington
Harper, Wheelwright, Riley…..
Why can’t 4 or 5 of those guys catch at least an average of one pass a game? (Only 16+ for the season)
by DT711 on Aug 4, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I have seen at Camp
I like what Biren Ealy does. He made some very nice grabs this weekend. The Foster guy had some nice 1 on 1 catches as well.
Next weeks pre-season game is going to be so much fun to watch these guys battle it out, especially in the 2nd half when the unproven guys are going to have to step it up with Troy and Beck.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Aug 4, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also believe that Harper is going to beat out Washington.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Aug 4, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Washington > Harper.
For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.
by iLL on Aug 4, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just listed them all
No real particular order as spots 3-6 are not set
by DT711 on Aug 4, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understand
That the coaches will put the best lineup on the field. If that means Mason and D.Williams starting, they will do it. Just because Mason came back does not automatically mean him and Clayton will start. if they do, it will be because that is the best combination of talent we can put out there. No need to over think this.
by DT711 on Aug 4, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why
everybody keep counting out kelley washington out he is a good wr to and derrick mason is not just the safety zone for joe fiacco but also the mentor for the offense wr and etc he makes the team better just like ray lewis does but i see justin harper marcus smith demetrius williams and kelley washinton going for some touchdowns this year
by jazz20 on Aug 4, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea but...
If Flacco feels more comfortable throwing it to Mason and Clayton and has more chemistry with them, the Ravens are going to put out the best possible combination starting out there. By any means I’m not saying the the other WR’s won’t have any impact on the offense because I’m sure they will, just not as much as the veterans.
For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.
by iLL on Aug 4, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How are Barden and Nicks looking?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Aug 4, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good.
Thanks for asking.
For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.
by iLL on Aug 4, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Terry out for the year.
This could mean his time with us is getting shorter….
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Aug 4, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
David Hale
Time to step up as a backup at T.
by DT711 on Aug 4, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although Cousins should be the top backup T
by DT711 on Aug 4, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I am liking Cousins. Gotta go with the dreadlocks.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Aug 4, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Call.
For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.
by iLL on Aug 4, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know my theory
any guy with dreads in the league is good.
Besides, Hale has moved to center to back up Birk. We also have Robby felix, the guy from TCU that had the stroke, but he is a longshot. Cousins is the top reserve, for now. Also have Joe Reitz and rookie Bryan Mattison (D-Coord’s son) as OL.
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by Bruce Raffel on Aug 4, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Katula is a member at my golf course. Just wanted to throw that out there.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Aug 4, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Dante Stallworth? He is a POS.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Aug 4, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except him.
God knows how he got away scot-free.
For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.
by iLL on Aug 4, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry is Gone
This is, what, 3 full seasons that Terry has missed now? I don’t see any reason for the Ravens to not just waive him (with injury settlement, of course).
by NFL Sage on Aug 4, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
Sorry, Guys. I was wrong about Terry missing several seasons. I think I’m getting him mixed up with Dan Cody. But it does seem like he’s always on the injured list..
by NFL Sage on Aug 4, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awwww
Who’s gonna be your extra LT who holds Harrison now?
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Aug 5, 2009 10:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Typical!
LV Squeelers Fan gets it wrong again! Terry was a right tackle! I love these idiots! The only time you hear from them or see those stupid flags and towels is when they are winning! Most of them couldn’t point to Pittsburgh on a map! Of course if I lived in that city I would try to get away every chance I could! Ever seen the women there? The reason they don’t have cheerleaders is not because of the owner! All the women there look like Rosie O’Donnell!
by Tooz7 on Aug 5, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gaither has lost weight and is even more athletic
now that it’s his third year and second full time starting, he won’t need any help as you will see him start to get noticed for All Pro at that position.
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by Bruce Raffel on Aug 5, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, he walks around at 335 and he lost weight?!? Its funny, I have seen both Ogden and Gaither at the same 711 in Owings Mills on different occasions. I always said I have never seen a bigger human being in person than Ogden. Then one day, Gaither walked in, and I was shocked at his girth.
You think there is a chance we resign him after this year? I have a bad feeling Drew “Weasel” Rosenhaus is going to manipulate the situation and force Gaither to take some insane contract with Oakland or 49ers.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Aug 5, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a Friggin' Waste!
They say the empty can rattles the most...
by Massacre on Aug 4, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t necessarily disagree with Bruce here. Maybe I’ve been drinking that purple “strong group of young WR’s” Kool-Aid, but I’m interested in seeing what we got from these guys – especially Smith and Harper.
by NFL Sage on Aug 4, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I liked the Ravens more
after Mason retired. I was hoping he would stay on his couch.
by Johnny_S on Aug 4, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what ever
happen to cory ross you know the rb man he was did the ravens release him i wonder why
by jazz20 on Aug 4, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was feeling
very optimistic about our young wideouts. They were definitely going to be given the oppotunity for an offensive role—M. Smith especially. Now, I kind of feel disappointed that we won’t have an emerging star. But this season will be making a run at the Superbowl, and D. Mason is amazing. If you watched him last year, you would know. I’m happy to have him back, but I have mixed emotions
by Ravens Boner on Aug 4, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry don't see how this should even be questioned
The way the man played with injuries and made catches others on the field couldn’t do, is just inspiring for the others to step their game up this year. I think if one or two show they can go downfield for the deep ball it will just make our running game better but it will also mean more YAC yards and maybe more CAC yards for Mason and others on the short to medium range passes because the S have to stay back on their heals for the possible long ball…
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by asmodeus on Aug 4, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
masons 35 and STILL has the best 1st move in the league. how many times did he turn 7 yards into 15 while some 20 something punk DB fell to the ground holding his broken ankles. mason is better than our 1-4 combined. our run game with mason in a 1 receiver formation is better than those guys in a 4 receiver set.
by raven on Aug 4, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it’s even funnier because suggs picked that shirt up in pennsylvania as a joke- home of Dew Mouth and sweet-n-sour deer nads.
by raven on Aug 5, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
long ball or ball control?
Do we really want a long ball threat as our number 1? The Ravens play a ball control type offense,thats why we have had the success from last year. Keep the ball,move the chains ,keep their offense off the field,let our defense rest up a bit. That way they are fresh when they do take the field. If they come off the field after 11 or 12 plays,think of how tired they are to go right back out there after a 1 play long touchdown strike. Yes ,they are elated,but it’s better to move the ball and keep the chains going and thats what the Ravens do so well.
by purple and black attack on Aug 5, 2009 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Mason make us better?
He does make us better! He is our most dependable receiver! Demetrius Williams, if he stays healthy, can be that down field threat. With his leaping and catching ability he is a threat to opposing secondaries. Flacco needs to do a better job of looking for the other receivers and not focus on just Mason. Clayton needs to become a more reliable receiving threat. He had some great games and made some outstanding catches! He also tends to disappear in games too. With a year under his belt I am looking for Flacco to get all the receivers involved in the offense. What has happened to L.J. Smith? I haven’t heard anything about him! Is he hurt? He has a history of getting hurt! Heap is the same old Heap, always hurt. Hopefully the rookie can have an impact in the passing game.
by Tooz7 on Aug 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LJ is back and fine
He was hurting a bit but now is right there doing his stuff and will make the TE combo even better, although Davon Drew sort of looks lost out there. It may not matter about both Mason and Clayton as Mark has a hammy problem, which he always has. If he can’t go, then D-Will steps up and has looked real good. Then perhaps Marcus Smith becomes that tough over the middle receiver along w/ Kelly Washingotn who will not back down from competing for playing time.
One of the local writers I spoke withsay he fully expects K. Washington to be the #4 receiver and also thinks Marcus Smith offers more to the team than Justin Harper.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Aug 5, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that anyone gives a shit
but I want to point out how wrong I was when I taunted you guys for mason retiring. I thought it was funny at the time. Looks like the ravens #1 wide receiver will be sticking around awhile.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Aug 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No problemo
we just ignored you anyway!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Aug 5, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idiot.
For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.
by iLL on Aug 5, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I’m just old school, but it seems pretty low-brow to taunt somebody who is apologizing for being wrong.
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by Ampallang on Aug 5, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not You Bruce.
For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.
by iLL on Aug 5, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I apologize anyway
not beneath me by any means, as with a wife, 3 big kids and four dogs, I realize how low on “Life’s Totem Pole” I lie. Peace & love.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Aug 6, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Showtime and Ampallang
No hard feelings.
For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.
by iLL on Aug 6, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kys
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Aug 6, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I apologize for hating the ravens
just kidding I don’t!
Man we still have like 3 months until the Steelers Ravens game. You guys just should have come to Pittsburgh for the opener. That would have been huge.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
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