Are You Ready For Some Football? Week 1 NFL Lines
by Bruce Raffel on Jul 9, 2009 10:01 AM EDT
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PrintLet's take a break from the horror which has overwhelmed these pages the last few days - Michael Jackson's death. Oh wait, wrong blog, I meant the tragic shooting of Steve McNair. Now is the time to refocus ourselves on what we have been waiting for since the end of the AFC Championship Game in late January and fueled by the great NFL Draft that the Ravens had. Week One of the 2009 season is only around two months away, but I can almost smell the football weather out there, unless of course, that's my dogs under my feet!
Anyway, the early betting lines on the games that open the 2009 NFL season in week one have been released and there are really no surprises from a favorites' standpoint. The spreads may cause you to raise both eyebrows, or in Joe Flacco's case, one eyebrow!
Click on the "Jump" to see the league's scheduleand spread for Week One, including the third biggest spread of the week from your Baltimore Ravens in their home opener!
According to Brad Gagnon, who writes Goal Line Stand for theScore.com, these will be the point spreads for the first weekend's games.
Tennessee @ Pittsburgh (-5)
Minnesaota (-3) @ Cleveland
New York Jets @ Houston (-4)
Dallas (-3) @ Tampa Bay
Detroit @ New Orleans (-11.5)
Denver @ Cincinnati (-3)
Miami @ Atlanta (-4)
Philadelphia @ Carolina (-1)
Jacksonville @ Indianapolis (-7)
St. Louis @ Seattle (-7)
Washington @ New York Giants (-6)
San Francisco @ Arizona (-6.5)
Chicago @ Green Bay (-3)
Buffalo @ New England (-10)
San Diego (-7) @ Oakland
Kansas City @ Baltimore (-9)
Click here to see the entire article and Brad's comments. What about your commnts on these games, spreads and the love being give our Ravens?
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Ten vs Pitt
I think the (-5) spread for Shittsburgh to beat Tennessee is a little bit generous, considering the Titans beat the Steelers in 2008. It is usually not the best NFL team that wins the Superbowl in any given year – instead its the luckiest/healthiest/hottest.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
Then again...
the game is primetime at Heinz, which is always a tough environment. I think the Steelers will probably win that one but they won’t beat the spread.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
Here’s a look at how these Thursday openers have gone since the NFL introduced the idea in 2004:
2008: Super Bowl champ Giants beat Redskins, 16-7
2007: Super Bowl champ Colts beat Saints, 41-10
2006: Super Bowl champ Steelers beat Dolphins, 28-17
2005: Super Bowl champ Patriots beat Raiders, 30-20
2004: Super Bowl champ Patriots beat Colts, 27-24
by John Stephens on Jul 9, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta expect the Steelers to win their first game
at home on national TV on Thursday night (I think)!
Love to see an upset, but me thinks the Titans will not be anywhere as good as they were in ’08.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 9, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
And you can be assured
Every Steeler wants revenge for that towel stomping slap in the face.
by John Stephens on Jul 9, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would the Titans not be as good as in ‘08? Their defense was fine without Haynesworth for the few games he was injured, and I wouldn’t expect losing Chris Carr to have a huge impact on their competitiveness as long as they have another return man to replace him. Did they lose anyone else significant? They have stability at quarterback. I expect Chris Johnson to improve on his rookie season, and FatDale White should get plenty of opportunities to pound the goal line as long a Kerry Collins stays healthy.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
Looks like you hit the nail...
…as long as Collins stays healthy. A year older and Vince waiting impatiently, plus a FULL season w/o Albert makes me think they will experience a slippage of sorts. Plus the improvement of Houston and Jacksonville makes it a tough division to win.
aka 'Rexx'
Not so sure about Jacksonville, but I totally agree with you about Houston. They could be very exciting to watch. With a solid quarterback in Shaub, arguably the best receiver in the game in Johnson, a talented half back in Slaton, and a defense with stars like Williams and Ryans, they could really turn some heads.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
Yes
I have been saying this for a few months now. That team looks really good and could upset some big time teams, especially in that division. The thing I like about Houston is the balance they have on both sides of the ball.
They have drafted as good as anyone over the last few years. Hell, since they came into the league. I would not be surprised at all to see them take the division. Thank god we do not have to play them next year.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Note that they were 6-2 at home last year
and one of their two losses there were to our Ravens, who crushed them something like 44-9! I recall two Ray Lewis interceptions, with one return where he tossed the fulback trying to make the tackle aside like a rag doll on a stiff arm!
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, we got -9.
I actually expected the Cardinals to have a larger spread then we did. NE -10? Ehhh, I guess cause it is in NE on MNF, but I think there is no way they get that.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Besdies the Steelers game of course
I am most looking forward to the NE game. I am very interested to see how well Brady comes back from that injury.
by John Stephens on Jul 9, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd bet the house...
…that he’s a beast all over again. I just can’t see it any other way. To me, Cassel didn’t show me too too much last year, so I don’t see why Tom Brady playing at 85% can’t be effective with Randy Moss and Wes Welker, plus very effective receiving from his TEs and backfield.
Let's see what happens when someone takes aim at his knee
and definitely expect him to be tested. Can he run? Scramble? Take a hit? We’ll see, but expect him to be back, whether it’s at 100% the old Tom Brady,….we’ll see.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 9, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
I dont doubt Tommys ability to throw the ball and make reads, but there is gonna be some rust. Ive ruptured a ligament in my knee before playing Rugby, and trust me even after a long time away from playing, youre edgy about being contacted.
I wouldnt be surprised to see Brady be like Manning last season, starting off very slow until he gets his mental strength back. All the behind the scenes rehab that Brady went through is a real dampener….crutches, brace, surgery in his case (i was lucky to not need surgery) and the inability to do some simple day to day activities…i would be very surprised to not see a few erratic throws or forced throws from Brady. I could be wrong…but i wouldnt be surprised
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Jul 11, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
quite frankly,
the ravens don’t deserve -9 against KC. It should be more like -6.5. A two-score spread is generally not worth betting on. I have been rewarded by betting on that principle.
Pitt -5 vs. Tenn is also a little generous. These two teams came down to the wire the last time they played, and both teams look pretty similar (minus Haynesworth). I’d give Pitt -3.
the only other lines I take issue with are:
Seattle shouldn’t really have a -7 against St. Louis. That’s a divisional game and anything could happen. I’d say Seattle -4. Although I won’t bet on it because I never bet on St. Louis (it’s typically not a good idea).
Same deal with Redskins-Giants. The Giants have a major lack of playmaking ability at WR now, and the Redskins can put together some impressive divisional games when they get their mind right. I don’t usually think divisional games should have spreads greater than 4, and this is no exception. I’d say Giants (-4).
ANyway its probably mostly this agressive just to get people to bet on week 1, since nobody knows anything yet and gamblers will be cautious. But I am certainly looking at a few of these teams to cover spreads:
Washington, Buffalo, San Francisco, and Tennessee are all teams for which I would take the points. Even KC, if I wasn’t a Ravens fan.
I'll take most of those bets w/ you, jack!
Skins suck big time and will bomb out at NY in frst game. NE with a healthy Brady should cream Buffalo, but that’s the closest of the games you picked. SF got rocked in AZ and should again. Titans will not come close in Pittsburgh.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 9, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
oh well...
…its not like any of our predictions will come true anyways. We’ve all been watching the NFL for a while now, we know how rediculous preseason predictions look come playoff time. For all we know, St. Louis will return to the superbowl with Kyle Boller under center and all the pundits will act like they saw it coming.
Skins do suck big time but ITS A DIVISIONAL GAME. The Browns also suck but we barely escaped Cleveland with a win last year. These spreads are just favoring the home teams too heavily. We’re bound to see some head-scratching upsets, I’m just seeing if I can call them in advance (which is probably futile).
The skins are an oddity though...
They always start kind of hot even if they suck.
by John Stephens on Jul 9, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
my thoughts exactly...
…plus, sometimes they stary crappy even when they’re good. Remember that year with Gibbs when they started 0-3 and made the playoffs?
I could see just about anything happening with them. They’ll finish somewhere between 11-5 and 5-11.
i’ll go with jackma here. these spreads are nuts. the ravens/chiefs games are always tight. a fresh and healthy chris johnson will run all over pitt. pitt doesn’t exactly pour on the points and the Titans have their number (that must feel good). the skins have playmakers and haynesworth is a beast. cooley, randel el, moss, and a pissed of j. taylor. i think the giants are in for a real fight. my bet is here too. give me buffalo.
wow, you really think chris johnson is going to run all over a fresh Pittsburgh defese that has lost no one but instead only gotten stronger??? i remember last season he ran for a lot of yards on us after we had played like a stretch of 5 really tough games, and that game was essentially purposeless since we had just won the division the week before…..
but if you want to believe that go on ahead, anything is possible
by Bleed-Black&Gold on Jul 10, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Key word "fresh"
I see where you’re coming from but remember, the Titan’s offense will be JUST AS FRESH. He ran all over the Ravens before he got injured in the divisional playoff game this past year. The Ravens D certainly was not fresh for that game, but then again at that point of the season, nobody is fresh and I’m not so sure the Ravens’ D would have been fast enough to contain Johnson even if they had been fresh.
Here’s hoping Timmons’ relative lack of experience allows Chris Johnson to hit a few homeruns.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
Of course it's a possibility
Johnson’s a very good RB and it could happen just as easy as he could be stopped.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
as much as i hate the steelers
and I love Chris Johnson, i don’t see him “running all over” them, per se. I could see a 60-yard game with a 25-yard big play. My pick is Tennessee, 20-17. But the scoring won’t go much higher than that.
NFW
Titans putting up a 20-spot in Pittsburgh? Doubtful.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t get high on Timmons being a bust. You might end up very disappointed.
Chris Johnson isn’t some freak of nature that can run on anyone and everyone anywhere. Or he would have broke huge rushes every time he touched the ball. He didn’t break 100 yards in the game against Pittsburgh. It was 69 yards, granted it was on 16 carries for a healthy 4.3 avg.
Also, I tend to think it becomes much harder to run on the road than at home.
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah Timmons looks like an upgrade actually...
…Although Johnny should be careful what he says about Chris Johnson, lest he speak too loudly and be heard by the man himself.
I’m not making any gaudy predictions for the Tenn-Pitt game, but its certainly within the realm of possibility that Chris Johnson makes a couple surprising plays.
“Chris Johnson isn’t some freak of nature that can run on anyone and everyone anywhere”
He may not be that, but he’s the closest thing to it that exists in the NFL right now.
Haha, I hope Johnson doesn’t frequent a Ravens’ board online and get fueled by what some blogger says.
Don’t get me wrong, I think he is a great back. I’d put him at 2nd best to Adrian Peterson though. But I’ve always preferred a bit more power to out right speed (not saying CJ is weak or Peterson is slow).
It’s also in the realm of possibility that CJ gets shut down.
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say anything about Timmons being a bust. Actually I expect him to be very good, just like the Steelers’ linebackers always are and always have been. That being said, its not unreasonable to predict there might be a bit of a learning curve that accompanies his shift from reserve to starter.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
i wish I could be so optimistic to expect that same learning curve...
…but he’s in his 3rd Season, with ample playing time under his belt, and a few big plays of his own already. Timmons will be a problem.
How come when I talk about you all losing Bart Scott you say “its no big deal, we always fill our spots well, yadda yadda”. Yet Timmons has to follow some learning curve. Wouldn’t the same apply to you all with your new LB?
Not trying to start a fight by the way, just enjoy the good debating from opposing fans.
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
i mean you have a point
Both of our teams seem to replace LBs with relative ease. I expect both Timmons and Gooden to have good years. There’s really no reason to expect otherwise.
Yeah, I know where you are coming from
I was distraught to see Foote wanting out, but I think he saw the inevitable coming. I hope that that is a good sigh of Timmons being past or passing the curve.
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
dude, Timmons is better than Foote. Period.
I’d much prefer it if you guys still had the less athletic and blitz-apt Foote instead of the more versatile Timmons.
Frankly, the same could be the case for Scott. Scott was more athletic than Foote, so he was more frequently used in our Blitz packages than Foote was in the Steelers’ blitzes, but in any case T-Good is certainly an upgrade in terms of athleticism. Seeing as Scott was undrafted anyway, I don’t see why the Ravens couldn’t similarly develop a more naturally gifted 3rd round pick.
Oh I wasn’t picking Foote over Timmons, nfw. But it was nice having the alternating package.
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
We have been saying the exact same thing. We’ve got the same expectations for Gooden as you have for Timmons. I’d say you all are in a better position in fact because as we all know Timmons has been around longer and has much more experience relative to Gooden, who has only played in five or six games before getting hurt last year. I guess Timmons has also already made some big plays in his limited PT on defense, while Gooden has just impressed in a few games as a special-teamer.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
I don't think he's a Ravens fan
because the Steelers are a lot like Baltimore in that they can reload a LB to take the place of a Joey Porter and a Larry Foote. They just don’t have, however, a Ray Lewis to carry the LB’s. I’m not suggesting (actually yes I am) that he is more valuable than Harrison, but the guys next to Ray usually do well like Edgerton Hartwell, Adalius Thomas and Bart Scott did.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, as much as I love Deebo I won’t argue that he is the equivalent of Ray Ray, but he is still very good. He made Woodley better last year just by the immense double teams he brought.
It will be very interesting to see what happens when he finally hangs up the helmet. I’m sure that’s a day that makes all Ravens fans sick to their stomachs thinking about.
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
and a lo of happy opponents’ fans….and a lot of happy opponents!
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah...
…its gonna suck losing him. Hopefully by then Joe Flacco has a career QB rating of 107.3 and averages 294.9 Yards per game.
yep, two
one over both of his eyes and one over his upper lip. Can you imagine Ravens fans with matching unibrows and moustaches in #5 jerseys? Move over, terrible towel.
Move over hogettes
Move over dog pound (with those stupid dog masks)
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean
“Dawg” Pound! Goofballs supporting a loser. At least the Raiders fans look cool in their spiked shoulder pads!
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool as in American Gladiators circa 1970s/1980s cool?
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say that playing for the 1st seed is exactly "purposeless"
but if you want to believe that go on ahead. :-)
"I wouldn't root for the Yankees for any amount of money."
-Matt Albers
Titans won that game and that battle
but Pittsburgh still won the war (Super Bowl). Something tells me they’ll be glad to do that each year. We Baltimore fans should know, we beat the Titans in the playoffs after you also beat us in the regular season. Hwever, none of that really matters except for trash talking, as we lost the next week in the AFC Championship Game and that hurts a heck of a lot more than beating Tennessee feels good.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually losing that game ended up being a benefit...
I think the 3 toughest teams in the AFC were us, you guys, and the Titans. Since we didn’t have to smash heads with you first and then face the Titans we kind of lucked out by losing. I hate to say a loss (and one that cost us the #1 seed) was a benefit, but it basically was.
But you are right, the game definitely had significant purpose.
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't have mattered
as a #1 seed, you would have hosted us in the semi-finals and then perhaps the Titans in the AFC Championship Game.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I am saying
We would have had to play both of you, the way it worked out we got lucky cause we only had to face one of you.
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
i think the skins win….just got done watching the Ravens run to the SB. that has to be the best NFL films story by far. everything was perfect from the weather to the camera shots to the story line all the way to the flashing cameras in Tampa. just a cool film.
“my mouth is watering, I’m like whooa” – ray pondering the SB in Tampa.
I wonder if dilfer hates the Tiatans to this day after they stole his playbook. That could have seriously injured him. Fisher is a cheat and worm that’s why the NFL gods shit on the Titans every year and break their cheating hearts. Has NE won anything since spying? the gods took out Brady too. don’t piss off the sports gods. they do exist..ask the Redsox. When they ran off the field thinking there were 3 outs against the O’s, I said to myself that they would now lose for pissing of the gods. they did up 10 runs! there are things you just don’t do or bad karma will follow.
umm Patriots started cheating in like 01/02 but just got caught in like 07, they still got 3 Superbowls out of it!! what were the football gods waiting for?
by Bleed-Black&Gold on Jul 10, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Puh-lease
The Pats were just stupid enough to be the team that got caught!
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
amen to Bruce
if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying. You better believe the Ravens have a few dirty tricks they use that are outside the rule books, they’re just slick enough to keep it on the low.
Hell, Suggs blew his own spot up last year by essentially admitting that they were headhunting for Hines Ward. That’s not exactly legal… (but I must admit I like it…)
His head is still on his shoulders though and Suggs hasn’t done anything.
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
in the words of Virgil Cole, from Appoloosa,
“never ain’t here yet.” Hines Ward still plays in the AFC North. I respect Ward and all, and I’m not saying he’s scared or anything, but it can happen. It can certainly happen to him.
While not proposing purposefully hurting a player
there would be more than a few happy guys in the league that hear that Ward got his just due if blind-sided into unconsciousness.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He'd probably still be smiling though
that we can agree on
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd be grinning real huge.
I think Ward understands the risks he takes out there. He understands what can happen in the NFL. So, whatever happens happens. I’d be happy to see him sidelined on a hit similar to the one he gave Rivers.
not if his teeth were knocked out. sort of like the shot he gave the Bengals’ Rivers.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Nahhhh, I'd to see
either Reed or Ray just plain lay him out. Better yet, how about Ngata taking him out after a Reed interception return for a TD!?
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Haloti Ngata
…will arrive at the statium with blood on his face and a torn number 8 hanging from his teeth, quite satisfied after a massive meal, with Mike Tomlin asking “where’s Hines Ward, and why is Haloti Ngata in the away team locker room with a bloody fork and knife?”
Sitting at home
regretting he didn’t sell his jersey number to Shannon Sharpe for that damn Rolex!
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
the Raven would be able to take a lead in the division very quickly
the steelers are going to struggle
i mean I could see all of the AFC North beating up on themselves...
…the division won’t be like it was last year. The Ravens will be better, the Bengals will be better, and the Steelers didn’t get any worse. I could see all of the teams, who all have tough schedules, getting beat up pretty bad, especially in the first half of the year.
The Steelers by lack of injuries at the tailback have gotten better.
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
tailbacks in the AFC North...
…tend to be pretty expendable. That has been the case for all of the teams except Cleveland, since they’ve had a durable power back over the last few years.
Pitt’s run game is only slightly better with a healthy Willie Parker than it is with Mwelde Moore. They need a power back and they know it.
I have to disagree strongly
I think with Parker and Mendenhall coming back 100% our run offense will be 10fold better. There is a reason those guys start over Moore, and there is a reason Moore entered last year as our #3. Parker led the league in rushing till week 14 or so in 2007, Moore was not even close last year.
And as far as the power back…many of us are hoping Frank the Tank steps up huge and fills that position this year.
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't speak for the rest of the league...
…but the Ravens seem pretty comfortable defending Willie Parker. That’s all I’m saying. He’ll fade into the blur of other opposing running backs who come to baltimore and average 2.9 ypc and total ~60 yards.
I’m not arguing who has a better run offense, clearly by numbers the Steelers edge out.
I am saying that if you think the Steelers run offense will be the same as last year and is not better from getting FWP and Mendenhall back you are not correct.
by John Stephens on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
We'll see how healthy Mendenhall is
and how well FWP holds up. Otherwise, you are 2nd in the division in running the ball and behind the titans as well looking at game #1 for you.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Philly vs. Carolina, San Fran vs. 'Zona
After seeing Jake Delhomme dookie his panties in the recent playoffs, I seriously doubt he’ll be able to deal with Philly’s characteristically strong pass rush. Add DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy (who I played against in high school) and a rejuvinated McNabb to the mix and Philly should be able to capitalize off of several Delhomme turnovers.
No doubt Mike Singletary will have the 9ers fired up, ready to kick some names and take some @$$ in Arizona’s home opener. Kurt Warner is another year older and hasn’t put together consecutive strong seasons since the beginning of the decade. Which Arizona defense will show up? The one that pretty much dominated throughout their playoff run or the one that was terrible for the majority of the ‘08 regular season? I’m not convinced the Card’s defense will come out with the same intensity they had towards the end of last season. Add that to the historically bad next-season performances following a superbowl loss, and San Fransisco should start 2009 1-0.
They say the empty can rattles the most...
I guess you saw him run by you in high school?
and seriously doubt the 49ers can go into Arizona and beat the Cards.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 10, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno.
I can sorta make sense out of most of these. I gotta few issues
Steelers (-5), im not sure. I hope we kill the Titans, but theres no escaping it that they wiped the floor with us at their stadium. Maybe (-3) is a better spread, its our house, and we very rarely lose our opening game, Heinz field is gonna be mental. Sometimes a team just has too much will to lose, which i really think is what will happen.
Philly should be (-3) over Carolina in my opinion. But keyword there is OPINION
And dare i say it, i think Ravens over KC should have the largest spread, if not tied with the (-11) NO gets over Detroit. I hope you guys destroy Matt Cassell, so everyone will see how much of a one hit wonder he is.
Im not going to get into any Ravens/Steelers fighting, because really…am i ever going to convince you guys that we are better lol no, i think not. Ill let the teams play that out
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
You were better last year
But this is now. We’ll see who has bragging rights.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 11, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
; )
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Jul 12, 2009 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions
its almost good that we have 3 straigh losses...
…because it will make breaking the streak oh so sweet.
but really though, it sucks that we lost the last 3 to Pitt…
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