Baltimore Ravens Draft Picks Sign For Less Than Others
by Bruce Raffel on Jul 20, 2009 9:31 AM EDT
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It is beginning to look like the players drafted by the Baltimore Ravens want to sign and become part of this team so badly that they are more than willing to sign contracts for less money with smaller signing bonuses than other picks drafted later than them. Now with the understanding that I don't get to see the entire contract broken down to guaranteed money and incentive clauses, it may not be exactly as it appears on paper. However, take a look at what the players that have signed so far by the Ravens from the 2009 NFL Draft accepted as compared to those players drafted either just before or after them.
When draft picks are signed by their teams, there is a pecking order to put them in and they are basically "slotted" into contract amounts that coincide with their position in line based on where they were drafted. Therefore, the player drafted 50th overall should make less than the one drafted 49th but more than the guy drafted 51st. That doesn't appear to be the case with the players that have already signed with the Ravens. Check out these draft picks that have signed with other teams in comparison to the Ravens' picks that were drafted either before or after them:
Round 3:
87. Patrick Turner, WR - USC (Miami): 4 years, $2.3 million, $714,000 SB (Signing Bonus)
88. Lardarius Webb, CB - Nicholls State (Baltimore): 3 years, $1.714 million, $529,500 SB
89. Jared Cook, TE - South Carolina (Tennessee): 4 years, $2.44 million, $700,000 SB
Round 5:
137. Jason Phillips, LB - TCU (Baltimore): 3 years, $1.34 miliion, $156,050 SB
138. William Middleton, CB - Furman (Atlanta): 4 years, $1.956 million, $206,900 SB
148. Brandon Hughs, CB - Oregon State (San Diego): 4 years, $1.936 million, $186,650 SB
149. Davon Drew, TE - East Carolina (Baltimore): 3 years, $1.3245 million, $139,250 SB
151. Rhett Bomar, QB - Sam Houston State (NYG): 4 years, $1.935 million, $185,000 SB
Round 6:
184. Bear Pascoe, TE - Fresno State (San Francisco): 4 years, $1.856, $106,000 SB
185. Cedric Peerman, RB - Virginia (Baltimore): 3 years, $1.263 million, $78,000 SB
186. Robert Henson, LB - TCU (Washington): 4 years, $1.852 million, $102,500 SB
Click here to see the site I used and the rest of the signings listed so far. While I realize that these may not be exactly correct, as they are from another blog site that I cannot vouch for (www.BackseatFan.com), I've verified the ones I could by cross referencing them with other sites' reported signing numbers and they seem pretty close if not correct. It's intersting to see the discrepancies between what players signed for with the Ravens compared to other players and teams. Perhaps it is the great negotiating abilities of the "Wizards" at The Castle, or maybe the draftees desire to play for this excellent franchise outweighs their need to maximize their contracts an they just want to get in camp. Either way, their making more money than they could ever expect and now have the chance to prove their worth as players and ultimately the bigger payday will follow. I can't wait to see that amounts and comparisons when the Ravens #1 draft pick, Michael Oher and #2 selection, Paul Kruger, end up signing, hopefully before Training Camp starts in just over a week from today.
Post Publish Note: I'm trying to find out how this compares to prior year's signings (2008?) but haven't been able to come up with a site that lists them with enough detail to compare. Any help out there? Thanks.
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I can’t wait to see that amounts and comparisons when the Ravens #1 draft pick, Michael Oher and #2 selection, Paul Kruger, end up signing…
Hopefully they didn’t short the later draft picks to make room for Oher’s and Kruger’s much larger deals (relative to their draft rank, that is).
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by Ampallang on Jul 19, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
probably did.
but w/e, this business stuff has to get done by someone or we don’t have a team.
Gotta keep eatin them babies. Yep, eat, yum, yum, yum. Babies. Mmmmmmm.
by jackmca on Jul 19, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but Bruuuuuuuce, isnt a lot of the salary stuff determined by player position, not draft order?
by jackmca on Jul 19, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't look like it.
by the positions of the signees. At least I don’t see that trend, other than perhaps in the first round, with guys like Mark Sanchez.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 19, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of first rounders, do you think Oher is going to try to go for Left Tackle money since that’s what he played in college?
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by Ampallang on Jul 19, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really won't matter as a draft pick
It’ll only truly matter when he reaches and is eligible for FA. Right now, he will be slotted in the first round like everyone else. He’ll get more than the guy behind him, but less than the guy in front of him, unless of course, this article holds true for first round picks as well of ours.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 19, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well our draft pick may have signed for less money, but they also signed for less years also. I’m pretty sure if we signed our picks to 4 year deals, they will most likly get the same amount of money that those other guys are getting.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on Jul 19, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you work out the average money per year, our draft picks still signed for less (although by a lower margin than it appears above). Still, Bruce does have a point. It will be interesting to revisit this after Oher and Kruger (and other players picked near them) sign.
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by Ampallang on Jul 19, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought this was a great topic
when it appeared to me that this trend was showing up through all the Ravens signing’s. Certainly more enjoyable to debate than McNair’s continuing saga.
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 19, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Certainly more enjoyable to debate than McNair’s continuing saga.
I couldn’t agree more.
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by Ampallang on Jul 19, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce...did you read your own blog?
Not trying to be rude, but you can’t compare a 3 year contract with a 4 year contract…if you look at the contracts, the dollar amounts are on par…
by Ravenator on Jul 19, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not trying to be rude, but you can compare the average payout per year of a three-year contract with the average for a four-year contract. If you do the math (I know, math is hard), you’ll find that each Raven listed above is making less per year than the adjacent draft picks, and is also making significantly less from the signing bonus.
If you had read Bruce’s own blog, you would have noticed that Benji5203 made this same point less than an hour before you posted. You may also have noticed my reply there.
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by Ampallang on Jul 20, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rookie contracts are structured to increase in value year on year, just because the 4 year contracts have a higher average doesn’t mean the Ravens picks are signing for less per year. I believe Ravenator’s point is that in the first 3 years of the contract for the players signed for 4 years they will earn what the Ravens players will earn in those 3 years.
And your point about the signing bonus is wrong, they’re all about three quarters less than the nearby picks, which is what you’d expect when it’s three quarters of the years. The math must be hard.
by studawg on Jul 20, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing bonuses are "cash up front"
Regrdless of the length of the contract, which is not guaranteed, you cannot discount the amount of the signing bonus based on the length o the term of the contract. Cash up front is money in your pcket regardless of what happens the next year, much less the next day.
If what you say is true, then if player A with a 3 year contract and smaller signing bonus and player B with a 4 year contract and larger signing bonus both get cut after year one, player B ends up with much more money than player A, hands down. Case closed.
I stand by my article, as well as my math!
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 21, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing is.
Why is every team signing their players to 4 year deals? While we sign ours to 3 year deals?
I guess it gives players less cushin, so if they suck, they can just let them go. IDK
by RAVEN'SD#1 on Jul 20, 2009 1:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think that's probably it.
The Ravens don’t waste much time with a guy once they figure him to be a bust (unless he’s a first-round bust who they’re still desperately trying to develop, such as Travis taylor). The 3-year deals make that easier to work through. 3 years is about enough to figure out what a guy can do for you at the pro level, I guess I’d just go for the 4 (or even 5) year contracts for picks who I (if I were GM) thought were the sure-fire home run picks (such as Ngata, etc).
by jackmca on Jul 20, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Collective Bargaining Agreement is re-up'd
then the 3 year guys are eligible, I believe. The four year guys would have to wait another year. If the Agreement is dropped, then it goes back to the old rules, which is six years before eligible for FA. The 3 year guys are in a much better position at this time, as their contract is now up for renegotiating while the others must wait.
I saw the differences in years, but the averages were still lower for the Ravens players. I may not see evrything, but,…duhhh!
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 20, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
apples and oranges
your premise is faulty. you can’t compare 3 to 4 year deals. The Ravens would rather make a decision sooner rather than later on a player. hence the 3 year deal.
by ppdoc on Jul 21, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely not
and I’m surprised at the disagreement. Cash is king and signing bonuses up front when no contract is guaranteed shows the better value right off the bat. The next silly argument is that the three year contracts are betterbecause then the guy can sooner renegotiate to get more money a year earlier than the four year contracts!
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 22, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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