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Is Suggs Worth $63 Million?

T. Sizzle's Pick Six in Miami.

T. Sizzle's Pick Six in Miami.

 

The Baltimore Ravens' Terrell Suggs was finally rewarded for his efforts as one of the most disruptive defensive players in recent NFL seasons, agreeing in principle to a six year, $63 million contract. The contract includes over $33 million in guaranteed money, second only in NFL history to Peyton Manning's $34 million guaranteed. This contract, although yet to be inked, makes Suggs the highest paid linebacker in league history as well. But is he worth it?

Click on the "Jump" to see some quick comparisons.

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Suggs was drafted by Baltimore in the first round of the 2003 NFL Draft but did not start right off the bat as a full time player until the 2004 season. Here is a glimpse at his stats compared to some of the other dominant defensive players since 2004 in his category:

Name                          Tackles           Sacks  INT/TD          Pass Def.

Terrell Suggs                    341                  41        4/2                   26

Dwight Freeney                146                  46.5     0/0                     9

Albert Haynesworth         209                 20.5     0/0                   11

James Harrison                309                 27.5     3/1                   11

DeMarcus Ware               297                 53.5     1/1                   12

(Note: Ware’s production was only from 2005 season on)

 

From this comparison, while many will say that both Freeney and Haynesworth play different positions, I say Suggs is worth every bit as much if not more than any of these guys. Suggs has not missed an NFL game in his entire career. While he may not be defined specifically as either a defensive lineman or outside linebacker, his "hybrid" designation is proof of his versaltility as are his numbers. To have two interceptions, both returned for key touchdowns just last season is prime proof of the value he brings to this team. He is very favorably compared to a former Baltimore Raven, Adalius Thomas, who played a similar role on this team, although Thomas' speed allowed him to also play on Special Teams and even a few snaps at safety and corner while here. Unfortunately, Thomas' role has not received the same accolades since he left for greener pastures up in New England as a member of the Patriots.

So while so many fans were shocked at the size of Terrell Suggs contract and thought that money might have been better spent on a wide receiver or some of the Ravens future free agents (Haloti Ngata, Jared Gaither, Ben Grubbs), I say that within a year this will look like a steal, if $66 million can ever be considered a steal, even in the NFL.

 

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It's also important to remember that Harrison wasn't a full time starter till '07

In the past two years, he has had 199 tackles, 24.5 sacks, 14 forced fumbles and 2 interceptions. If you extrapolate that over 5 years, then Harrison’s stats would be 498 tackles, 61 sacks, 35 forced fumbles, and 5 interceptions. Of course, Harrison is 5 years older than Suggs, which explains the contract discrepancy.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte

by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 16, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's just ridiculous

you can’t extrapolate one or two seasons into a career. In that case, I chose to extrapolate Suggs’ last year into five that now shows 10 INT and 10 TD’s!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 16, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah the extrapolation was bad...

But pointing out that he hasn’t really played significant time till the last two years and that that’s where like 80% of his stats come from is reasonable.

by Johnny_S on Jul 16, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviuosly, I don't think that Harrison would've put up those kinds of numbers

I was just saying that he probably shouldn’t have been on your list since he had 2 seasons as a starter rather than 4 or 5. I do think that Suggs is worth 63 mil, as he will become the centerpiece of your defense once Ray leaves.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte

by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 16, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously, sorry

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte

by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 16, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem, just debating

Probably right about Harrison but couldn’t resist showing the Ravens fans that our guy looked better than Pittsburgh’s – at least on paper!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 16, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Harrison

worth paying 1 year – $3 million? Would he sign such a deal? we could manage, correct?

by Ravens Boner on Jul 17, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would fit our cap space

but to me he is just another guy who would get injured and miss to much time to be effective.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 17, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Suggs worth 63 million?

es, has not ye missed one game throughout his whole career, he’s versatile, a playmake, and top 5 pass rusher in the league.. no question.. the future of this defense.. plus doing this deal frees up some cap space as apposed to the franchise tendor.. mason gone frees another 3 nmillion.. you never know, and i know rexx, you don’t want me to get my hopes up but still.. there’s a thought

by ravsagain on Jul 16, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

correction

yes was the first word

by ravsagain on Jul 16, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course Suggs is worth the contract that the Ravens gave him. Let’s not forget that Suggs is only 26 years old and already has 6 years of experience. On top of that rarity, Suggs is an amazing physical specimen. He has great size, speed and strength. MANY teams would have paid him MUCH more if he was an unrestricted free agent. All in all, the Ravens signed a young player with rare experience for his age and freakish ability.

I really like the deal too. Suggs will be nearly paid for in the first two years of his contract. The last four years of the contract are cheap and very cap friendly. This was a very smart move by Ozzie… as usual.

by BAL_Hawk on Jul 16, 2009 11:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It sounds scary, but we’re talking about a defensive cornerstone, and this deal is very cap-friendly. Sizzle for 6 more years!!!

by Ravens Boner on Jul 17, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't just focus on his sacks

Too often you see people compare him in recent years and they say he needs to get his sack numbers up, but it isn’t all about getting the QB on the ground sometimes it actually is better for the QB to get rid of the ball. Think about how many rushed passes Suggs and the other Ravens have forced then think about hoe many of them have ended up in hands in purple jerseys.

The fact that he can put pressure on the QB, protects really well against the run(that was actually credited I think from his coaching when he first came into the league and not just by coaches but the other players) and then at times you even have him dropping back on coverage.

Shame we couldn’t keep Thomas I could just imagine these two lining up on opposite sides, sadly like you said Thomas hasn’t been used the same way in New England mostly because they can’t.

Our D is going to be a beast this year no matter what some feared with Rex Ryan leaving we have better players on the field this year. The players that were there are a year wiser, and the new younger CBs, keeping Rolle as a situation coverage man and in a way a coach also, sometimes the best coaches are the great players when they get farther into their career as players. Proof of that has always been a LBs while Ray has been here.

You just know with Suggs you have 6 quality years because of his young age as long as there is no serious injuries. He can help carry on our tradition after Ray is gone.

This year is going to be special for our D, Reed will be allowed to float like he has in years past with the new CBs have better coverage even on top WRs. If we keep the shifting and multiple blitz scemes with this teams ability to make changes with the same men on the field, no team matches that depth…

by Asmodeus1971 on Jul 16, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great point about sacks vs. pressure

After all, every sack is just one less chance at an interception. If Suggs’ sacks (as well as the others) go way up, then does Reeds and the orther DB’s interceptions go down?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 16, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’d have to admit after chewing on this topic that he is worth it by NFL pay standards. those numbers compared to Freeney are impressive. Freeney gets a lot of attention for not helping in the run (as the numbers show). His 4 or 5 more sacks are not worth Suggs’s 200 more tackles since ’04!!! WOW. pay the man. makes the haynesworth deal look idiotic…like all Snyder moves.

by raven on Jul 16, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If

he continues to develop like he has over the past years , it’s worth every penny…no question.

IMO the major hurdle for Suggs was getting past the ref incident at the Detroit game. He rarely makes mental mistakes anymore and has matured as a leader. I also think the “t-sizzle” persona (although, still entertaining) has taken a backseat to letting his play speak for itself and focus more on the game.

by adh on Jul 16, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hasn't been in trouble

 off the field, which in today’s sad standards, is pretty noteworthy!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 16, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i do believe his sense of humor and persona did delay his contract. i think if he were more outwardly serious and talked the talk he would have been locked up earlier. but i like his personality. it’s funny and he is good TV especially when on the NFL network. The Suggs Package and the Bounty. LOL.

by raven on Jul 16, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Somehow I don't think

he was so worried about having to stay Franchised and not going to camp when it opened and just “settling” for $10.2 million this year!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 16, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rexx- we should have a Beatdown day at McDaniel College during training camp. We could all meet up and ditch work for the day. i plan on going 4 or 5 times this year to harrass the receivers and try out.

by raven on Jul 16, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

See you there.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 16, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great idea!

I’m pretty flexible and would love to see the ugly faces behind the words! Of course, I’ll have to come to the other side of the fence, as you guys won’t have a media credential like I scored with the team. (<—-I’m waiting to post that little known fact, uh until now). However, I’ll gladly try to remember where I came from, and acknowledge your presence from afar with a nod or maybe even an photo op.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 16, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course he is worth it

We all know Oz would never pay over market value. He would rather have let Suggs hit FA, like Bart and Ray, then overpay. Oz knew that if Suggs went on the open market some team (Jets, Redskins…) would offer some ridiculous contract. So it was a very smart move to lock up a premier player who is just entering his prime.

Sometimes you have to pay to play.

by DT711 on Jul 16, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agree. and the market is “down”. imagine if it was booming. imagine having that money now. he can buy foreclosures by the boatload. he can turn that into another 60 million overnight. how the hell do these guys ever get into financial porblems. you entire family can live off interest alone.

by raven on Jul 16, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who's next...and who's the next odd man out?

Totally agree with everyone who says Suggs is worth the money. This scenario begs the question: who is the next Raven to get a really big payday?

I havn’t checked my facts on this but based on what I have heard/others have written in the past couple weeks, some guys that are going to have to be resigned in the next couple seasons include Ngata, Grubbs, Gaither, and Clayton.

Of these four, which one is going to get the most lucrative contract? The first three I listed and especially Ngata are well on their way to becomeing absolute stars in this league. Its unlikely that the Ravens will be able to afford all of them. Which one of these players is the odd man out in the next couple years?

I could definitely see Ngata getting a huge amount of money. He, Suggs, and Reed will be the foundation that the Ravens’ defense is built on going into the second decade of the 21st century. I think Clayton is going to step up his game and get paid accordingly, and Grubbs is going to get paid like a star. That leaves Gaither – the only one of these four that was not a first round pick. I think Gaither is going to be a solid left tackle in the NFL for many years, but I just don’t see the Ravens making a rich man out of a guy they didnt even draft in the first round. That’s why Bart is gone, thats why AD is gone, Gary Baxter, Jamie Sharper, Ed Hartwell, Priest Holmes…the list goes on.

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 16, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Franchise tags and next years lack of salary cap with the free agent rules that go with that

There is still a lot of room to play with these things next year if you look at Suggs deal the first two years are the big ones and then they drop off leaving room to work others into big money. Ozzie always has a plan to keep what we need and as long as you keep quality players on the field, players want to play on your team; so they are willing to arrange one year at this level one year at that when they have a chance at that ring.

When you are on TV and your name is mentioned a lot, then you are headed toward a bigger pay check than playing the game alone. So we have holding power here like the Steelers and New England do now and teams like the 49ers in the 80’s and 90’s. Players took less or worked around the cap to stay where they would make it bigger in the end..

by Asmodeus1971 on Jul 16, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So true

and with no Collective Bargaining Agreement in place, it works both ways. For example, even though we can spend what we want with no cap, the Free Agency rules change as well. So therefore, all those next group of soon to be FA’s will actually NOT be eligible for free agency w/o an Agreement. The free agency qualifying period goes back from three to six years so now they’ll have to wait and the Ravens could just Tender them instead and not lose them much less give them big contracts.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 16, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phew!

This stuff is getting complicated! I never thought about the free agency side of the CBA but I guess its pretty obvious in hindsight. Does this mean we effectively have five more seasons before Flacco is eligible for FA? Four for Grubbs, three for Ngata, etc.? How does this all work with the original length of the rookie contract? In other words, under the current agreement, is a player eligible for FA after three seasons even if his rookie contract was signed for four or five?

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 16, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

They must honor their contract unless the team opts to extend or renegotiate.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 17, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

100% Worth It

Suggs does not do one single thing totally perfect, but he does everything the right way. He is a vicious pass rusher, but not quite on Freeney, Harrison and Ware’s level. But he does indeed put pressure on the QB and many under estimate the role he plays in our defense.

What I think separates Suggs from this group is his pass coverage. He is the best all around athlete of the guys listed above and Suggs often takes on TE and defends the screen pass. Teams thought they could beat Suggs with the screen pass, and Pittsburgh did indeed do it early in the season. But he came right back against Miami and Cleveland, baited DA and Noodle Pennington into throwing the check pass to the RB, and Suggs sealed both games with a pick 6.

This deal is well worth it and we have a guy not even in his prime locked up till he is 32.

You know what is funny. Steelers fans have been saying he does not do enough to earn that contract, but they are too ignorant to look at the stats. I actually saw a few over at BTSC say they would rather have Woodley over Suggs. Just had to laugh.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 16, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1
but he does everything the right way

Well stated.

After looking over the posts that explain the numbers, especially this cap hit versus a franchise player cap hit, coupled with the fact that next year will most likely be uncapped, years three, four, five and six (if he makes it) become absolute steals. So yes, Suggs is worth this contract, this year.

by vlad755 on Jul 16, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was actually $62.5 million

God, we need to know our facts! lol

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 16, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hahahah

500K to these guys is like $500 for us.. must be nice

by ravsagain on Jul 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rexx- you’ll know where to find me at the camp because i’ll drive a green rusty Pinto with Marcus Smith’s number on the tags. I’ll also hang his jersey in the back window. i might even sign autographs in his name in the parking lot. think anyone would know the difference.

by raven on Jul 20, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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