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Is Derrick Mason Truly Retired?

FILE - In this Jan. 10, 2009 file photo, Baltimore Ravens wide receiver Derrick Mason (85) scores a touchdown on a 48-yard pass play as he is brought down by Tennessee Titans safety Chris Hope (24) during the first quarter of an NFL divisional playoff football game in Nashville, Tenn. On Monday, July 13, 2009, Mason told the sports Web site jocklife.com that he's retiring from the NFL. (AP Photo/Wade Payne, File)

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4 months ago: FILE - In this Jan. 10, 2009 file photo, Baltimore Ravens wide receiver Derrick Mason (85) scores a touchdown on a 48-yard pass play as he is brought down by Tennessee Titans safety Chris Hope (24) during the first quarter of an NFL divisional playoff football game in Nashville, Tenn. On Monday, July 13, 2009, Mason told the sports Web site jocklife.com that he's retiring from the NFL. (AP Photo/Wade Payne, File)

According to NFL sources, in order for a player to officially retire, they must send specific paperwork into the NFL's offices. At this time, they have not received anything official from Mason, so hopefully this will all blow over in the next week or so. If that paperwork is sent over by Mason, then you all can start jumping back on the "Panic-wagon" along with those who jumped on the "Flacco-Wagon" last year when we started looking like a winner after I predicted a 10-6 season in 2008.

My point is, just don't go postal over the so-called non-moves in the wide receiver department during this past off season in free agency and the draft, like many of you did when we used our first pick on OT Michael Oher. Oher's selection by Ozzie is now looking like the typical "Wizard" moves that he has earned his great reputation for. How many of you complained about the pick when it was made and thought we needed the WR instead? Perhaps a wideout in the other rounds would have been better, but that is with the future knowledge we now have.

Let's try to break Mason's semi-official retirement announcement down into a couple of specific areas. One, why is he retiring and why now? Two, what should the Ravens do at this point, with Training Camp just a couple of weeks away and the options relatively limited to a trade or free agent signing.

Star-divide

Many fans have commented that Mason should have told the team before the draft that he was retiring so we could have planned for his departure. Obviously, Derrick just decided this, although I'm sure he's been thinking about it for quite a while. He is no youngster in the NFL and with lingering injuries he has to be thinking about the end coming sooner than later. He just wasn't ready to end his career once last season's close call with a chance to go to the Super Bowl ended. He might have thought he had at least one more season in him, otherwise he would not have talked about a contract extension to get that one last big payday and signing bonus. However, once his best buddy, Steve McNair brought the epiphany of mortality to the forefront of Mason's mind, he looked at his career, life and future. That was the final straw in his decision-making process and the emotional toll the loss of a great friend took on him made the decision final. Or at least he thought so enough to post his decision on his blog (Click here to read his announcement). However, let's see what plays out over the next few days as the emotions settle down and clearer heads prevail. While it might still stand, I wouldn't be super surprised if he rescinds his comments with the excuse that they were fueled by his grief over the tragic loss of one of his closest friends.

As far as the "what do we do now" question that everyone is asking, our options are limited to what I mentioned before the "Jump." We can either trade for a receiver, sign a free agent, or of course, do nothing and hope our remaining crop can get the job done with a second year QB. Most of the readers here seem to think our current receivers are just not good enough nor experienced to step up and fill the void of Mason's 80+ receptions and 1,000 yards from 2008. I'm not one of them, as I feel that the WR position can be over-rated and is only as good as the QB's ability to get the ball to them. I cite both the Philadelphia Eagles and New England Patriots abilities to get to the Super Bowl with a very pedestrian group of wideouts (other than the TO year in Philly and the Moss year in NE). While I am certainly not comparing Joe Flacco to either Donovan McNabb much less Tom Brady, I'm also not going to compare their defenses to the dominance of the Ravens that Flacco has as his advantage over both Brady and McNabb.

The obvious answer to so many pundits is to finally pull the trigger on either Anquan Boldin or Brandon Marshall. For whatever reasons you want to list here, I just don't see Ozzie making those moves, as he places an incredible high value on first round draft picks, and places an equally high value on the personal make-up of the players he tries to acquire. Perhaps the trade of a lower round draft pick for a "middle-of-the-pack" type of receiver may happen before this is over and done. More than likely, it appears that if indeed Mason makes it official in the next few days, the Ravens will bring in another bunch of the free agent receivers still looking for NFL employment for one more chance at joining the team in 2009.

However, I see Ozzie pretty much standing pat. If he picked out recent free agent signing Kelly Washington from a lackluster group of free agents a few months ago, then what else is actually out there that he thinks could be signed and contribute better than what we already have? Somehow, I doubt he will just make a roster-filling move to satisfy the public or even the press that has begun feasting like vultures on this recent news. The Ravens have a decent base of receivers that can produce if given the chance. It has to start somewhere and sometime, as it did with every great receiver that came into the league with little fanfare and then exploded when given the chance.

If the Ravens are looking to fill the role that Mason played, then they don't have to look far for his replacement and that is Mark Clayton. Clayton is built like a younger Mason, has good hands and could easily slide over to be the #1 target for Flacco. Then who fills Clayton's 'role?" That could be either Demetrius Williams, if healthy, or perhaps the up and coming Marcus Smith, who has the size, speed and hands to be a #2 or 3 wideout. The thing that becomes even more important than what it was is who will then be part of the group of reserves that will need to contribute enough to back up the starters? That group, including Kelly Washington, Yamon Figurs and a bunch of other guys will need to step up and separate themselves in Training Camp to earn those chances.

Not that it's easy to replace Derrick Mason's production and the confidence that Flacco had in him every time he released a pass in his direction that it would more than likely be caught by Mason's glue-like hands. However, it is definitely not time to panic like so many of you have already done. Don't release your typical fan-like venom on this team and it's Front Office. Have faith that they have always seemed to pull out that diamond-in-the-rough move when you least expected it. We will get it done and re-load like we have done all throughout the recent Ravens successful history. Keep the faith and lay off the leadership. Make no mistake about it. Derrick Mason was loved and will be missed by this team and its fans, but we will get through this hiccup and better players will appear out of this opportunity.

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I also think people should try to chill and see how this all plays out. There is still a long time until the season opener against the Chiefs. A lot can change.

by DT711 on Jul 14, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am going to try to chill. It is so hard to though when stuff like this happens when you don’t expect it.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smooth move

for now, at least.

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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It;s Deja Vu All Over Again

I am getting visions of 2001 all over again… Jamal Lewis stumbles ON THE FIRST DAY OF CAMP… Ozzie & Co. search high an low for a suitable replacement and end up with… …Terry Allen and Jason Brookins (who?). Although in fairness they did combine for 1100 yards and 8 TD’s; but the 3.5 ypc was a killer. Jamal does not go down and there is a good chance we repeat that year… oh well…

So now, fast forward eight years and we lose our (albeit old) undisputed #1 WR. Granted RB and WR are different positions and obviously a loss like a 2001 Jamal is worse than a 2009 Mason, but it is the closest thing to a comparison we have.

Which brings us to where we are today, in that Ozzie will probably call up the additional usual suspects outside of Kelly Washington, just to see if he can repeat the success of the Jason Brookins move.. err, maybe that did not come out right…

All kidding aside, I do believe Ozzie has a contingency plan in place. One thing Billick and Ozzie did impress upon me was that they actually did have a contingency plan for just about any type of situation and I am sure there is a binder, on Ozzie’s shelf, labeled “Mason’s Replacement” and he is now just started to wipe the dust off, break the seal and thumb through the pages. Hopefully there is something there more than, “Say ten Hail Mary’s, sacrifice a virgin goat to the WR gods and take out a Lloyd’s of London policy on Flacco…” And let’s be honest: did anybody really think Mason was going to last the entire season? I know he gutted out the last part of last year and the playoffs. His heart and grit are the size of Montana, but the body can only take so much and I would have bet the farm he would have broken down before the end of the season anyway.

Bruce, I have to respectfully disagree with this from you:

The Ravens have a decent base of receivers that can produce if given the chance

What in past history has this group shown to give any inkling? Kelly is a Bengals, a Bengals! castoff; Clayton has played four years and I think the jury can return a verdict: an okay #2. Demetrius Williams? Can he stay healthy? And Marcus Smith is an unproven second year player with very little actual game time experience. If we were starting out with a bunch of rookies, then I might be able to believe you. But the track records of Clayton, Williams and Washington kind of prove otherwise. Like I said in a previous post, I guess Marcus Smith could come out of nowhere, but that is a HUGE if…

by vlad755 on Jul 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagreement respectfully accepted

However, I say the Jason Brookin move was excellent. With Brookins and Allen, as well as Grbac, we still made the playoffs in 2001 even w/o Jamal. To me, that’s part of Ozzie’s genius (although they say Brookins was the ugliest Raven of all time!). I know, here comes MaLoR with another “Dilfer” comment!

As far as the “decent” comment, we have a bunch of second year and rookie players who have not had a chance to how wha they’ve got Who knows if Smith can’t step up, what about Wheelwright or Eron Riley becoming the next “Plexico?” I know those are big steps to take, but it’s time to see what they can do and something tells me this will all be a moot point as Mason will end up playing and not filing his retirement papers with the NFL.

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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great, now Riley or Wheelwrright are going to shoot themselves.

Just what we want. I remember Brookins used to be my grandfather’s favorite player for some odd reason. Number 44 wasn’t he? Then didn’t he come into camp the next season at like 280 pounds?

Dilfer may not have had the amazing abilities that I guess you thought Grbac had (4 starting pro bowl offensive lineman every year in KC). But Dilfer had swagger. He did not want to play BS football and do things we know we could not do. He made it simple for a very simple offense. Use the run to set-up the pass. Get 3 or 7 and let the defense do work.

Grbac was soft.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy with hindsight

but Grbac was a excellent QB in KC and the softness didn’t expose itself until late in the 2001 season. Who could have known, but let’s put this issue to rest under the category “Agree to disagree.”

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you that McNair’s death probably precipitated this. Hopefully, he will reconsider.
The only receiver on the market (that we know of!) that worth pursuing is Q, but we already know that ARZ isn’t letting him go for less than a king’s ransom. Oz may find someone else that we don’t know is on the market, otherwise, I’m confident that he knows who they have and will make a deal if we need to.

by NFL Sage on Jul 14, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boldin not coming here

No cap room to sign him along with Suggs, and then Gaither and Grubbs. Ain’t gonna happen.

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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm telling you, the answer for now is Jones...

…he’ll be super cheap coming off his drug charge (which I really don’t think is a huge deal anyway), he’s massive at 6-6, 240, has strong arms and hands, excellent vertical speed, and the ability to make catches. His issue so far has been inconsistency, but last year he was very underrated, with 761 yards in only 12 games, having at least 5 catches in 9 of his games. He averages about 10 ypc.

Look, I know everyone thinks our young WRs have tons of upside and everything, but upside alone doesn’t do it. Right now they’re a bunch of training camp legends if you ask me. Before throwing them to the wolves I’d like to get a proven WR, which Jones IS, even if many don’t recognize it.

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marvin harrison would also be serviceable...

…and cheap as well. A short term deal with him wouldn’t jeopordize any of our other looming contract concerns.

in any event, training camp starts in 2 weeks, and Suggs will either sign or not by tomorrow, so we should see the ravens make some sort of move between the 15th and the 31st.

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harrison is 36 years old

Mase wa 35. Time to move on guys, we’re talking about an excellent wideout who was at or near the end of the line. Now is better than at mid season if you want to put a positive spin on it.

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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think you may have drunken the "training camp coolaid", Bruce...

…just because everyone at the Ravens facility is gushing over the progress made by marcus smith, and just because Demetrius Williams seems to be regaining his speed, does not mean they are sufficient 2 and 3 options at receiver. We are POOR right now. Harrison is a veteran who can produce moderate to good numbers. I’m not saying he’d be a pro-bowler for us. I’m saying he would be a good stop-gap in a year where we might have some serious depth issues at WR.

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No issue w/ that at all, guys

But to say that a Matt Jones or some of the other scrubs that didn’t make the cut when we signed Kelly Washington could help us is ludicrous. What we have is DEFINITELY better than that. However Harrison could be, as I’ve said in other comments, a stop gap measure for a year. At the same time, the guy is 36 so witho or without a Mason or Harrison, we will probably need to see what the guys I like can do, as injuries mount up as you age in the NFL.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ludicrous?

Bruce, Kelley Washington has 20 receptions in his last 3 seasons combined. Jones has 166. So you’re saying its ludicrous to call Jones better than Washington? OOOOOOOOOOOOOKay…

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps not on stats alone

But remember that Washington never really played in NE and was the #3 wideout in Cincy, so naturally Jones BETTER have better stats. Do I think Jones is a better wideout? Not too sure how to compare, as the Kelly Washington coming out of college guy was a better receiver than Jones but have to see both in action. Either or, both are not Mason’s replacement.

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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in any case,

I am of the opinion that Jones would be an upgrade over almost any of our WRs, save possibly Clayton, but I think he’s probably better than him too. I’ve said what I can say already so I’ll let it rest.

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, not allowed.

As you know, the Ravens wont even take a player who gets in an argument with their Mother. It is all about character, kinda like this being in a cartoon.

Character, character, character. All we hear. Gotta have high character guys and we would rather have a no name WR with high character, then a Big time WR who had some troubles early in his young life.

Matt Jones does not fit our character stuff. If you ever got lunch detention in middle school, the Ravens wont pick you up.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure why you think that's such a hard and fast rule...

…I mean, mcNair had a gun/DUI charge dropped out of luck, and we had no problem getting him. But Jones is somehow bad milk because he owned up to his mistake? You may be right that they won’t go after Jones, but I think it would be due to other considerations.

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Harbaugh sure made it seem like we did not go after Marshall because of character stuff. And that is also all we talked about around here was how he did not fit our locker room.

Whatever happens, I really do not care at this point. This situation was a mess after we lost to Pittsburgh and it is even worse now. We have a desperate WR group. We refuse to get away from the smash mouth style that barely won it for us in 2000 and we keep that mentality. It has worked for the most part, but teams figure it out.

We have the best offensive coor in the league with a offense that puts no fear in anyone.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I expect some sort of signing here...

…I mean, we have ONE receiver who has showed us he can play a full season as a starter (Clayton). That’s ONE guy who we can count on to start 16 games and give up mediocre production.

Maybe they’ll just sit tight in the hope that Marcus Smith is the next Donald Driver, but I do think this is one such situation where Ozzie might deviate from his norm and sign a WR.

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cap Room

is and will continue to be an issue, especially with the upcoming FA signings we’re going to need to get done w/ existing players. Jones made more than one mistake and has proved to be nothing in the league other than a loser. Harrison may be a one year stopgap but the man is 36 years old. Mason is 35 and the time is either now or soon. Either way, others are going to have to step up this season, even if he still plays. Rather it be now than through injury in week 5 or so.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, but

you keep ignoring any point I make about Jones and his production last year. All anyone talks about is this supposed character issue, and they never mention how this guy is more than likely a 1000-yd receiver if he had played 16 games. I WOULD TAKE A GUY LIKE THAT. You act like we have 2 or 3 guys who can do that… actually we have zero. Clayton played all 16 games and maxed out at 691 yards or something. Maybe you’re comfortable with that guy inheriting our passing game, but I’m not.

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve mentioned it in the past, but I feel like I should probably repeat it again here: Clayton put up those mediocre numbers during a season in which Mason played one-armed for a number of games. If Clayton had it in him, he should have stepped up, taking the pressure off of Mason. But he didn’t. In light of that, I’m not sure how much I trust Clayton to step up next season when he had every chance to do the same last season.

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by Ampallang on Jul 14, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

H can only catch what is thrown to him

Flacco threw to Mason as his #1 read more than ever, regardelss of hs injured status. Mark Clayton was a decent #2 receiver and if he became Flacco’s go-to #1 read, I expect he’ll put up 80 receptions and 800-1000 yards as well. Gonna have to happen sooner or later, as Mase is 35, if he even returns.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll agree and disagree to some extent.

I will agree that Clayton had every chance to step his game up last year, and he did not do it as much as we would have wanted. Mark had only 1 game last year with 5 catches, the most for any game.

But, 597 of his 695 yards game in the 2nd half of the season. However, you take away the Cinci game and the Jacksonville game, he basically put up 3rd WR numbers.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Expect Flacco to look for

his 2nd and 3rd reads more often this year. Don’t put all the blame on Clayton, as much as you want to. He had a rookie QB inthe faster NFL game looking for Mason nine times out of ten. Clayton caught most of what came his way. If he has the opportunity to step up, I say he will.

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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont put the blame on him

It may be a problem with spreading the ball around. Our lack of numbers at WR could be because we rant he ball more than any team int he league last season. So there was not too much room to get everyone the stats we want.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point exactly

Clayton will have very good stats if Mase retires and he becomes #1 receiver. Give him the chance.

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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It not that I'm ignoring your point,...

it’s just that I don’t agree w/ it. Sure he might have done so-so in Jax, but to me he is no better than what we have here and was a difficult choice as a first rounder in tat they were planning on him making the switch from QB to WR, which has not been as successful as they’d hoped, plus his other issues made him expendable to them but good enough for us?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here's the difference:

I wouldn’t have taken Jones as a first-rounder. That was dumb, and they paid for it. So they need to get rid of a guy who they gave first round money to and who has had disciplinary issues as well as friction with his coach.
That doesn’t make him any more valuable to us but it does make him cheaper. It makes him a 6-6 receiver capable of 80ish receptions who we can get for next to nothing. He’s expendable to them because they want to cleanse themselves of his bad PR and start over after numerous busts at WR. He’s good enough for us simply because he performed better last year, in 12 games, than Clayton did in 16.

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to Agree with jackmca

on this one.

Bruce, I know you have been out the ’plex, seen these guys in action, and I know they are professional athletes, but seriously, is any defense going to respect these receivers seriously: Mark Clayton, Demetrius Williams, Marcus Smith, Kelley Washington and Yamon Figurs?

Bruce, let’s give the devil (that would be you) his due and say that Clayton does emerge as a true #1, and that Williams or Smith solidifies the #2 spot. Don’t you think Jones would at least better than Figurs? All things considered, who would you rather have, Jones or Figurs? I put it that way, because if the Ravens were to acquire Jones, I believe Figurs would be released (and ultimately land in Cleveland, but that is for another discussion). Playing this “what if?” out further, Jones is acquired, is #5 on the depth chart, but with a bullet; knowing that if he, uhh, sorry folks, “keeps his nose clean” and performs, he could very easily rise to #2.

I have kind of boiled the crux of this argument of Jones To Be Or Not To Be, down to as saying: Jones versus Figurs. I know I go with Jones seven days a week over Figurs and twice on Sundays…

by vlad755 on Jul 16, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

…I believe Figurs would be released (and ultimately land in Cleveland…)

They’ll be looking for help when Cribbs talks his way out of town, and Figurs is just the kind of performer that would fit right in with the Browns.

"keeps his nose clean"

I lol’ed.

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by Ampallang on Jul 16, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Warming up to the Matt Jones idea

Am beginning to se the light. Will agree that Jones’ age is a big plus in his possible consideration of signing him. Harrison is older than Mason and will only get injured again. Jones can devlop chemistry w/ Flacco and be here for years. Anything is a possibility but nothing happens until after Harbaugh and Mase speak ext week. Somehow I doubt he’ll actualy file his paperwork.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 17, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Jones issue would probably be...

…that Jack del Rio apparently wasn’t fully satisfied with his work ethic. THAT is what harbaugh and the Ravens don’t want. They don’t mind a guy who has to make some Probation phone calls, IMO.

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Jones - please!

Poor hands, poor route running, average “football” speed. Never made the switch well from college QB to pro WR. Offers nothing in my opinion.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot

POOR CHARACTER. Cant pick anyone up with poor character, everyone knows that.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whatever

i’d take him. Y’all wouldn’t. Chances are it won’t happen anyway. but i’d take just about anybody who had 700 yards last year, seeing as we currently have ZERO RECEIVERS who fit that description now. (OK, Clayton had like 690-some-odd yards, but I’d like to have at least one other such player to hang my hat on going into the season.)

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not saying I wouldn't take him

He has some decent skills. Just being a sarcastic asshole towards Ozzie’s theory of “High Character.”

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, dumb ole Ozzie

Right, as the man has made so many horrible decisions for this franchise over his tenure. HE IS THE “WIZARD!”

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you wouldn't take a guy...

…who played 3/4 of a season and got 3/4 of 1000 yards in that time, having at least 5 receptions in 3/4 of the games he played in last year, then I’m not sure we have the same taste in WRs. You must be into choir boys, I’m into downfield production. That’s what I want us to go get right now.

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Down field production? In Baltimore? Does that even exist with this team?

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

…who played 3/4 of a season and got 3/4 of 1000 yards in that time, having at least 5 receptions in 3/4 of the games he played in last year…

That makes him a fraction I can’t even comprehend.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jul 14, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Success on one team

does not necessarily equal the same on another team.

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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i'm not saying it does...

…i’m just saying he is AT LEAST as good as what we have, and a 6-6 compliment to Clayton would be a HUGE benefit.

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

if he can still play.

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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why would he not be able to play?

I mean it was only week 13 in Houston that he had 8 receptions for 104 yards. The question with Jones is discipline: can he get along with coaches? Can he take a drug test without getting drunk the night before? Those are the doubts people have about him. They don’t doubt that he can produce.

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps you're right

If, and a HUGE “if” he can get his act together, then and only then will he either be a total waste (in every term of the word) or a steal for us.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he offers production...

…60+ catches with 750+ yards in only 12 games. low price tag and high potential still. People are just down on him because of the coke thing.

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus his attitude..

and work ethic and poor hands and questionable route running….

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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his route running reputation

is for his first two seasons. His last year he became a much more effective receiver in the short and intermediate range game. Much better routes.

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ca't agree

Jones’ success came as a #2 receiver, so where can you state he would be a better number 1 if he comes here. I’d prefer to give Clayton the shot who knows the system and is entering his free agency year.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure let Clayton be the number 1

but Jones is a massive target who would easily deserve playing time as a #2 on our roster. You think Demetrius Williams would beat him for the starting spot? I don’t..

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one, including both of us

really know how ready Jones still is for the NFL.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

see my above post,

In his second most recent game, which was week 13, he had 8 receptions for 104 yards. So I’m at a loss for where this whole “can he play” question is coming from. Equally unfounded is this criticism of his route-running. He HAD problems with those prior to this last year, when he really got low and exploded out of his cuts more.

Again, if you take issue with signing a guy who had arguments with his past coach and pissed drunk on a probation drug test, fine. But don’t tell me he can’t play.

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whether or not he can play the game

is as much predicated on his ability to stay out of trouble with the law AND his coaches. You just can’t quote stats to determine whether he can “play.” It’s the total package and the jury is still out on him having “it.”

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure indeed,

i’m just in favor of signing him to investigate what he could really be capable of. Are you familiar with his dimensions? The guy has nearly a 40" vertical, runs a 4.4, is 6-6, and weighs 240 pounds. He also has pretty good hands and excellent wingspan.

He would be a project but he could be a major steal.

by jackmca on Jul 17, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could be either

a steal or a bust. I say make the move and give the kid another shot.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 17, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll take Boldin for the risk of losing Gaither. We have Oher and Gaither and Drew “rat boy” Rosenhaus are going to demand an insane contract which Detroit or Oakland will pick up.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

absotively posiloutely

I’d take Boldin for a 1st and a 5th and anything less than that. I wouldn’t have been cool with the first-rounder before, but now I think I’m comfortable with it.

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Ozzie does not think so. We will use the pick on safety or another LB and continue to ignore the WR position ever since we moved to Baltimore.

Lol, we tried to make Boller a franchise QB with Randy Hymes, Davard Darling, and Clarence Moore. Good one Ozzie.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's traded a 1st rounder once before...

…this could be the time he does it again.

by jackmca on Jul 14, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doubtful

Ain’t gonna happen, as he’ll never pull that trigger in addition to giving that guy a huge new contract.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction
Ain’t gonna happen, as he’ll never pull that trigger in addition to giving that guy a huge new contract. the offense and QB weapons.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This team is predicated on a dominant defense

and a serviceable offense. That is still what we have, and you just can’t have both. As long as we are riding Ray Lewis’ coattails, we will stay this way, despite the way it frustrates so many fans, but not me.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what do we do if Ray hangs it up next year?

What the hell are we riding then? This was THE YEAR to go out there and start creating Joe into the QB we want him to be. Not saying he wont get there, but it looks to be taking a little longer now with the group we have.

Sure, some veteran might be okay, but after that then what? We sign another wash-up of course, don’t mesh together the QB-WR combo that have won so many superbowls in the past with many teams.

Ray is going to have to give it up soon and pass the leadership over to Joe. And he will have a hard time leading this team by example if he has 5’10" #1 WR who should be playing in the 2nd and 3rd spots.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then we save the bucks we gave to Ray

and move it over to the offense.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not yet

he still needs to file paper to retire.

by 2000 ravens on Jul 14, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Duh, ...

..read the story. We know that it’s not official until he does.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has ADD. He probably never made it that far into the story.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jul 14, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

check out how I “cleaned up” his post.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 14, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

teams will play conservative against us now and not force balls because they know we can’t score. that will take away from ed reed and our reliance on turnovers. thats what pitt. does. everyone else will now follow. can you say 10 in the box. lol.

by raven on Jul 14, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ten in the box

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flacco's arm is too good to disrespect.

If they do that he will throw long to anyone for points.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitt played the Ravens differently then most teams. Most teams tried to shut down the run and let Flacco throw all over them. Pitt let the front 7 do its job and dared Flacco to throw against them. Well at least in the AFC Championship. The biggest thing to worry about now would be what happens when the Ravens get down and need to throw to get back.

by archon095 on Jul 14, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

That is a HUGE thing to worry about. You will Blitz the hell out of us while also making it look like prevent defense in the secondary. That is why your defense is so good. No one really knows what look they will get from your defense and it screws up offenses, especially mediocre offenses like the ones in Baltimore.

Pittsburgh plays nearly an identical style of football as us. Play good defense and run the ball, control the clock and field possession game. Yet, they STILL go out there and draft WR and bring in good, talented guys to catch the ball. Holmes, Sweed, now Wallace. I would love to get those 3 in Purple and see how good this offense would be.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jul 14, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, we have good recievers

But our o- line looks even worse than it already is when compared with yours. Every team has at least one significant weakness, it just so happens yours is at WR( and TE to a lesser extent). However, the Ravens’ lack of a No. 1 reciever could prove to be disastrous against teams that can stop your ground game without jamming 8 or 9 guys in the box. The Steelers are one of those teams, as we can contain your ground game with 7 in the box. This could lead to second and third and longs which, combined with our ferocious pass rush, could result in numerous Flacco turnovers. The good news for you guys is that with your o- line, you’ll be able to run on most teams. Flacco might also be well served to use check downs like Rice and McGahee, and try to pass more on first and second down. Just my 2 cents.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte

by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 14, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily true

Our o-line is beter than last year’s while yours is not as good as it was even last year. Our secondary is better, while you lost a CB. We might have lost, although I doubt it a WR, but we will replace him and continue to run the ball and pass when the defense inches too close to the line.

You defense is great, but we will see who is on top after the year is over – this time!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It blows my mind that you think the Steelers are going to be worse than last year. Absolutely blows my mind.

by Johnny_S on Jul 15, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only way for the Steelers to be as good or better than last year is if they repeat as champs. Obviously it happens every now and again, but statistically it is unlikely.

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 15, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats not what I am saying.

Bruce seems to think we have gotten worse at every position on the field. Where we believer we have gotten better at most of them and stayed the same at the others. There is a very big chance we could repeat, I wouldn’t say its statistically unlikely.

by Johnny_S on Jul 15, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slight over reacting

Not everywhere, but me rthinks the loss of a CB hurts, as well as Nate Washington as the #3 receiver. Not sold on Sweed’s hands to replace him. Loss of a LB may hurt depth, and o-line is not fearsome by any means to me. All in all, it’s tough to repeat what you did last year and if we went 1-2 against you last year, most likely we would have been in the SB.

Nice to dream though, huh?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got two CBs in the draft. McFadden was a great open-fielder tackler but not spectacular and irreplaceable as a coverage back. I feel one of the two will amply replace.

Nate Washington was run deep and fast and catch. Very easy to replace with Sweed or Wallace who are two very fast wideouts. And Sweed can catch, he did so in college. Everyone just remembers that one drop in the AFCCG.

LB? I feel like we have gone over this. We all loved Larry Foote, but we think Timmons is faster, stronger, better (and he has the experience). Also in our system, its hard to be bad as an LB. Dick LeBeau knows a thing or two about defense.

Our O-line isn’t great, but it hasn’t changed much from last year when we won the SB. Its just healthier now and has another year playing together.

And as I have stated before, CLEARLY we are going to have a better run offense than last year.

by Johnny_S on Jul 15, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweed had a good college career

but he barely played for a reason before he dropped that sure TD in the AFC Championship Game. He wasn’t able to crack the lineup because he couldn’t hold onto the ball earler in the seaon as well the few ops he had. He did however, put a huge hit on Corey Ivy though it looked like a typical “Hines Ward” blindside cheap crackback block to me.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, I don't believe that.

He did not play because he was a rookie. The Big 3 (Hines, Holmes, and Washington) had more experience, knew the playbook better, and had more time to mesh with Ben. Fortunately for Sweed, the Steelers had the luxury to sit him, allowing him to learn and develop and watch 3 very good receivers.

Depending on how camp goes (a team Sweed vs. team Wallance argument has developed), I expect Sweed to be named the #3 and get substantially more time and more looks. Then we will see how he really is.

by Johnny_S on Jul 15, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I was surprised

Sweed lasted that long in the draft. He can be a huge force and maybe even the next “Plaxico.”

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also remember that very few Steeler rookies actually play a lot. Big Ben was the last Rookie to really get significant play time.

by archon095 on Jul 15, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you look at the winners of all 43 Super Bowls, only 8 times has the winner from any given year been the same team as the winner from the previous year. That means that based on the history of the league, any superbowl winner has about an 19% chance of repeating the following year. While those are decent odds, I wouldnt say that ~ 1:5 is likely.

I don’t think the Steelers have gotten worse at all, but the competition has probably gotten tougher, especially now that Tom Brady is back (as much as I hate to admit it).

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 15, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forget though...

How many of those teams are this Steeler team? None. So that is nothing but taking a wild guess at what could happen. That is saying that because we beat you 3 out of 3 100% last year than we will most likely win both games next year. Do you agree?

Tom Brady and his Pats will be the biggest competition for sure.

by Johnny_S on Jul 15, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on which "Tom Brady" returns

The one before the injury or the unknown one who hasn’t fully recovered and favors his knee and plants wrong and throws interceptions that Ed Reed and company return for TD’s.

I’m praying for the latter one!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea you’re right, last year, or the past 43+ for that matter, has nothing to do with this upcoming season. Clean slate, some new faces, and one hell of a rivalry between two blue-collar cities and two smash-mouth football teams.

Sure the Steelers have a very good chance to win next year’s Super Bowl, if you think 1 out of 32 is a very good chance (okay i may be stretching it a bit). My point is there are plenty of teams that have just as good a chance to come out on top of the heap this season as the Steelers do.

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 15, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steelers, Pats, Titans, Colts, Ravens, Giants, Eagles, Vikings

1 out of 8 I would say. But if you really think the Lions, Chiefs, Rams, Seahawks, 49ers, Packers, Raiders, Jags, Bengals, Browns, Dolphines, or Bills have a chance of running away with it…you go ahead with that.

by Johnny_S on Jul 15, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seahawks can be a lot better then last years record indicated.

by archon095 on Jul 15, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few more

I would add the Bears, Falcons, Chargers, Cardinals, and maybe the Saints as teams that have a realistic shot.

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 16, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cardinals had a fluke run last year, don’t forget they were 9-7 and lost 4 of their last 6. Their saving grace is an easy schedule, despite having to play all the conference champions.

Bears – Yeah they got Cutler but they don’t really have any good receivers.

Falcons – Sophomore slump for Ryan? Difficult schedule playing the NFC East teams

Chargers – They peaked the last couple years and still haven’t done anything. I’ve never felt threatened by them. And Lights out is without roids

Saints – Maybe.They finished last place last year in a really really tough division. Their last 7 games of the season are really tough. 4 division rivals: bucs twice, panthers, and falcons. And they have in there the pats, cowboys, and redskins.

Seahawks? No. I refuse to take Hasselbeck seriously.

by Johnny_S on Jul 16, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

???

Our o- line is almost certainly going to be better this year. We kept all of our starters from the Super Bowl, and drafted a rookie who might help us. The line actually improved last year as they played together more. As for the secondary, we lost McFadden but his replacement was the top rated corner in the NFL last season. He played several full games, and we shut down offenses like SD and NE with him playing the whole game. We also drafted 2 promising rookies, and will add depth at safety with Mundy’s return from his injury. I think our passing defense will be just as good this year. The whole point of my post was that the Steelers are one of the few teams that can stop the Ravens ground game without jamming the box. This will be a problem for your offense on third and longs with no No. 1 reciever.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte

by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 15, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No argument with that

Your Steelers will always be our litmus test.. Until we can beat you, we will be second best, which means little in the NFL. However, that was last year and doesn’t count anymore. So we will see.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the question is….Pam Anderson.

by raven on Jul 14, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and the answer is…?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would stay as far away from Matt Jones as possible.

I would make the Boldin trade for a #1 and #5. To me, the guy is worth it, no question. I think it’s almost impossible to give up too much for a young, talented, tough leader, with proven production who fills a major need.

In AFCC game, Steelers knew the Ravens would try to throw it more, especially early. The key was we were able to stop run/control los with only 4 or 5 guys. If you watch the replay of the game, there wasn’t alot of room to throw the ball…most Raven receivers were smothered. Not Joe’s fault at all…no where to throw.

by SteelerMike on Jul 14, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You guys need to better understand

the salary cap issues that all teams face, especially our Ravns with Suggs, much less Grubs and Gaither. This must be looked at long before we go after a big name WR who will want a mega contract that we can’t cash the check you all want to right.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

understood.

now, perhaps, with Suggs out of the way, we have enough wiggle-room for a short term Marvin harrison deal?

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We will wait

until the paperwork is filed. Until then, he is our #1 wideout.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WCS

Lets consider the worst-case-scenario (barring any more surprise-retirements or injuries of course). The worst thing that could happen here is Mason files his retirement papers with the NFL and the Ravens’ front office makes no move to bring in a new significant contributor at WR. That means Clayton moves over to #1, Williams (assuming he is healthy) moves to #2, and so on, with a net result of Flacco having a pretty suspect group to work with. For better or for worse, this gives these young guys (including Flacco and Clayton) the opportunity to prove or disprove themselves. This also gives the coaches the same opportunity in evaluating the true worth of these players. That CAN be a good thing if the front office responds in the right way – namely getting getting rid of and finding replacements for non-contributors and rewarding those who step up their game.

The only thing I’m really scared of is the chance that this organization lets the same thing happen with Flacco that happened with Boller. For his entire career here the front-office and coaches made excuses for Boller, saying give the kid a break, he’s got nothing to work with. Im not saying Flacco is like Boller was in any way except age, but if he struggles this season because he has no talent at WR, we cant JUST blame it on the recievers. On the other hand, if he plays well, we’ll really know we have someone special.

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jul 15, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Always expect the worst, and you'll never be disappointed!

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte

by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 15, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, you just signed Suggs

Unfortunately, it’s 6 years, 63 mil!

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte

by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 15, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy shit

$33.5 million guaranteed in 2009 and 2010. Wow.

by Johnny_S on Jul 15, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where

did you see “guaranteed” ??

by adh on Jul 15, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Unfortunately?"

Nothing unfortunate about it. He’s inked and will be in camp all pre season which is great! The money actually saves us cap space this season! He will be a Ravens for the better part of his career if not all of it and we can set our sights on dethroning the Steelers now w/o worrying about losing him. Far from “unfortunate!”

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOW THE HOUR IS NIGH

Ozzie, I bid of you, I emplore you, GO FORTH, and OBTAIN ANQUAN BOLDIN.

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...is this Osborne Cox?

….YES! HELLO?? THIS IS OSBORNE COX, WHO THE F*CK ARE YOU????

hhehehe sorry i just saw that movie the other night, that scene cracked me up

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care.

we can swindle him. Pay him in TGI Fridays vouchers. Bounce a check. I DONT CARE!

damnit, i’ll take Marvin harrison too. I’ll take anyone. Please, just don’t send Flacco into week 1 with DEMETRIUS WILLIAMS AS THE NUMBER 2 RECEIVER!

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we can get Anquan Boldin

by finding some loophole in the Stimulus package that provides subsidization for interstate commerce!

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, though, Steelers fans,

what would your reaction be to the Ravens getting a true, #1 WR? Just curious. You guys must love our continuing crisis at WR.

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nothing really.

We would just put Ike on him and shut him down. NBD.

by Johnny_S on Jul 15, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha right.

real simple just like that huh? Just wait until Joe Flacco commands the DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE with all of its evil powers.

by jackmca on Jul 15, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly I’ve seen Steeler Corners do a good job against some of the best WR’s in the league so while I wouldn’t like it I’m not sure it would be a big deal.

by archon095 on Jul 15, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Positive Spin?

No one will respect our wideouts so they will stack the box and play us one-on-one and D-Will, Marcus and Clayton will burn them until they lay off the line and then the running attack takes over – again!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 15, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but there is an issue, the website that posted that information share an office with the agent of D.Mason. also if you notice that the player would speak through the team not a web site.

D-Will has been hurt every year, Marcus dose not look very good and Clayton needs a fast WO

figures has cement block for hands

so who is left

i think the ravens could make a valuable trade 4 Marshall ( younger ) than Aquain Boldin

by 2000 ravens on Jul 15, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Even with cap savings from Suggs' new deal

plus Mason’s savings if he does officially retire, that gives us a total of around $8 under the cap and we still have to sign both Kruger and Oher. Webb signed but his cap hit is only around $300K. So no way we trade for a big name and are able to keep them happy by giving them a new deal w/ big bucks. Besides, with a cap-less year coming of they don’t re-negotiate the Collective Bargaining Agreement, teams will take a wait-and-see attitude.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 16, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Webb only counts for about $200k because he isn’t among the 51 largest cap numbers. The Suggs deal gives us another $3.15million on top of the $4.5million of cap space we already had. Assuming Mason does retire in the post-Suggs-deal era, our cap space is more like $10million and some pocket change before signing Oher and Kruger.

http://www.profootball24x7.com/column_view.php?cid=46&id=3571&view=archive

I meant to post that earlier, but c’est la vie.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jul 16, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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