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Week 1 - Kansas City Chiefs vs. Baltimore Ravens (1:00, CBS)

The Baltimore Ravens open their season at home against a Kansas City Chiefs team that certainly improved this offseason, adding Matt Cassel, Monty Beisel, Bobby Engram, and Tyson Jackson.

The Ravens also improved this offseason, adding some good players like Domonique Foxworth, Matt Birk, Michael Oher, Paul Kruger, and Lardarius Webb.

The Ravens shouldn't have much of a problem with the Chiefs. Matt Cassel is obviously a Pro Bowl-caliber quarterback, as he proved throughout the 2008 season.

However, the Ravens held some good quarterbacks to nothing in 2008, including Tony Romo, Chad Pennington, and Jason Campbell.

The Chiefs will be forced to go to the air early, as the Chiefs don't have a legitimate No. 1 back and the Ravens have an incredible run defense. That shouldn't work for them.

The Ravens added three cornerbacks in the offseason, all 25 or younger, in Chris Carr, Domonique Foxworth, and Lardarius Webb.

In addition to that, the Ravens already had Fabian Washington lining up at corner, and Ed Reed and Dawan Landry at safety, certainly a dangerous safety duo.

I fully expect the Ravens to walk away with an easy win on Opening Day.

W (1-0)

 

Week 2 - Baltimore Ravens vs. San Diego Chargers (4:15 PM, CBS)

The San Diego Chargers have a tendency to start slowly, but I don't expect that to resume next season. The Chargers added a solid defensive end in Larry English, have one of the best young quarterbacks in Philip Rivers, and have a good 1-2 punch of LaDainian Tomlinson and Darren Sproles in the backfield.

The Ravens can certainly handle the Chargers offense, but I don't see the Ravens winning this game purely because they are on the road against the Chargers, who play very well at home.

The Ravens are capable of winning this, because Joe Flacco showed he could win on the road throughout the 2008 season, but San Diego, with a healthy Shawne Merriman, along with Larry English and a resurgent Antonio Cromartie, could cause some problems for the Ravens.

The key for the Ravens to win is stopping Rivers, plain and simple. If they can limit him, they can easily win this.

While the Chargers have a good 1-2 punch, it's not a great one, as L.T. has clearly lost a step and there are still questions on whether Darren Sproles can handle a big workload.

L (1-1)

 

Week 3 - Cleveland Browns vs. Baltimore Ravens (1:00 PM, CBS)

It'll be interesting to see who wins the quarterback battle for the Cleveland Browns. It could be Brady Quinn, but it could also be Derek Anderson. I don't think the Ravens care, because they can give both quarterbacks headaches.

The Browns traded multiple times in the 2009 NFL Draft and ultimately decided to add California center Alex Mack with the 21st overall pick. I'm not sure the Ravens care about that, either.

I fully expect the Baltimore Ravens to win this game. Flacco didn't have a good game the first time against the Browns last year, but was 13-for-19, and in his second game against Cleveland, he won AFC North Offensive Player of the Week.

The Browns lost some weapons over the offseason, losing Donte Stallworth, Kellen Winslow, and being at odds with receiver Braylon Edwards. If the Ravens can handle Edwards and Winslow healthy, they can certainly handle a disgruntled Edwards, and an unknown No. 2 wide receiver.

The Ravens not only are a much improved team, but the Cleveland Browns are a team with even fewer offensive weapons than they had last season.

W (2-1)

 

Week 4 - Baltimore Ravens vs. New England Patriots (1:00 PM, CBS)

The New England Patriots are obviously a Super Bowl contender. With Tom Brady returning healthy, Patriots Nation fully expects a Super Bowl run. The Ravens are also a team who could go all the way, but stopping the New England Patriots is no easy task.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Ravens came out victorious in this game, as the Ravens did almost beat the hated New Englanders in 2007, but some tough penalties and breaks led to a loss.

However, I'm not expecting a Ravens win in Week 4. Especially not if Baltimore plays at Gillette Stadium, where the Pats are practically unbeatable.

The Ravens will need to be able to limit Randy Moss, not an easy task. Despite being up there in age (turned 32 in February), Moss appears to be at the top of his game.

He adjusted to a new quarterback in 2008, and still managed to catch 69 passes, gain over 1,000 yards, and score 11 touchdowns. It wasn't comparable to his record-breaking 2007 campaign, but it was definitely a solid year.

On top of that, the Ravens will need to watch for Wes Welker. I see this game being a close one, but the Pats coming out on top.

L (2-2)

 

Week 5 - Cincinnati Bengals vs. Baltimore Ravens (1:00 PM, CBS)

Earlier in the week, Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer made a likely unrealistic prediction, saying his team would be 6-0 after six games and 10-2 after 12 games. I'll be honest, I laughed. 

The Bengals return linebacker Keith Rivers 100 percent healthy and also have Rey Maualuga, which will be big. Adding Andre Smith with the No. 6 overall pick was a wise decision, as the reason for Palmer's injury troubles was his lack of protection.

However, the Bengals don't have a top ten caliber defense, and despite adding Smith, don't yet have a good offensive line. On top of that, they lost T.J. Houshmandzadeh, and Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson continues to express his discomfort.

I expect the Ravens to take this game in a cakewalk. The Bengals did improve as the year progressed, but not to a point that they were a playoff team. The Ravens are a Super Bowl caliber team, and the Ravens embarrassed Cincinnati in a Week 13 matchup, 34-3.

The Bengals have no run game whatsoever. Cedric Benson is a capable back, but mustered just 19 yards on 10 carries in the second Ravens/Bengals contest.

The Ravens will have to commit a huge gaffe to let this one slip away, especially if the guy who has owned them for so long, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, is long gone.

W (3-2)

 

Week 6 - Baltimore Ravens vs. Minnesota Vikings (1:00 PM, CBS)

The Ravens stole a great Viking offensive lineman when they acquired free agent center Matt Birk, agreeing to terms with the six-time Pro Bowler on a three-year, $12M deal. The Vikings hope to get their vengeance on the Ravens by beating Birk's new squad.

The Ravens will visit the Vikes in the Metrodome for a Week 6 matchup that will feature two great defenses, two young quarterbacks, and two powerful running games. I think the Ravens have the advantage in all three.

The Ravens did lose Bart Scott, but it doesn't appear as if the loss will be as devastating as some pictured, and the Ravens consistently have a better defensive unit than Minnesota.

There is almost no argument for Tarvaris Jackson when you compare Flacco and Tarvaris, and while Adrian Peterson is the best running back in the NFL, he fumbled nine times, most for any running back.

The Vikes also don't have the depth the Ravens have in the backfield. The Ravens can look to four guys to pick up the slack. Le'Ron McClain, Willis McGahee, and Ray Rice proved last year they can play well at the NFL level.

The Ravens also added Cedric Peerman in the draft, a guy who looked sharp in minicamp, and the Ravens rushing offense will only be stronger with Michael Oher, a solid offensive lineman, lining up on the right side.

W (4-2)

 

Week 8 - Denver Broncos vs. Baltimore Ravens (1:00 PM, CBS)

Last year, the Denver Broncos and Baltimore Ravens were polar opposites. The Broncos relied on a strong aerial attack, featuring now departed quarterback Jay Cutler, wide receivers Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, and tight end Tony Scheffler.

However, the Broncos had no stability in the backfield, had a poor defense, and lived and died by the pass.

The Ravens, on the other hand, used their solid defense and run game to their advantage and looked to rookie quarterback Joe Flacco on occasion for a big play.

However, that has changed. While the Broncos defense isn't yet great, it definitely has improved, adding Brian Dawkins, Andra Davis, and Andre Goodman.

They also added to their backfield by drafting Knowshon Moreno and signing Correll Buckhalter. Moreno appears to be a great Rookie of the Year candidate, as he has a good offensive line, led by Ryan Clady, and will start.

Nonetheless, the Ravens are at home, and due to the fact that the Ravens defense and run game is plainly better than Denver's and are also at home in this contest.

W (5-2)

 

Week 9 - Baltimore Ravens vs. Cincinnati Bengals (1:00 PM, CBS)

The Ravens again meet up with the Bengals, who, in Carson Palmer's book, will at this point be 7-1. I don't see it.

The Ravens played a good, solid game on Opening Day in 2008 against Cincinnati in 2008, coming out victorious at home, 17-10.

However, they looked considerably better in a Week 13 matchup again against Cincy (this time on the road) in a 34-3 shellacking.

The Bengals, I think, will be hit hard by the loss of T.J. Houshmandzadeh, who is one of the most reliable targets for a quarterback. Even with an unstable quarterback position last year, he managed to catch 92 passes and gain 904 yards.

Along with that, people can say what they want about Carson Palmer's productive career thus far, but he has carried the Bengals to ONE playoff appearance despite having wide receivers to throw to that some would drool over.

I expect the Ravens to come away with this one in a cakewalk. The Bengals don't have a bright outlook for the 2009 season, and the Ravens do, and I would be very surprised if the Ravens walked out of Cincy defeated.

W (6-2)

 

Week 10 - Baltimore Ravens vs. Cleveland Browns (8:30 PM, ESPN)

For the first time, the Ravens will appear in prime time, facing the Cleveland Browns on Monday Night at Browns Stadium. Like I said, the Browns aren't anything to scare the Baltimore Ravens defense.

They have two quarterbacks who were very below average last season, have no consistency running the ball, and lost one of their main targets in Kellen Winslow.

This is a game the Ravens should be licking their chops for, especially Joe Flacco, who succeeded in his second game against Cleveland in 2008, winning AFC North Offensive Player of the Week.

The Browns will have to establish a flashy aerial attack, because, let's face it, Jamal Lewis is far past his prime. I don't see a scenario in which the Browns have considerable success throwing the football, especially considering the speed the Ravens corners have.

After all, the Ravens have Ed Reed back at safety, and Dawan Landry returning, who was a playmaker in 2006 and 2007 before getting hurt in the second game of the 2008 campaign. I expect the Ravens to win this game...without breaking a sweat.

W (7-2)

 

Week 11 - Indianpolis Colts vs. Baltimore Ravens (1:00 PM, CBS)

We Baltimore Ravens fans all remember the tragedy that was the Week 6 matchup between the Colts and Ravens in 2008. We all know the story: Colts win 31-3, Peyton Manning carves up the Ravens secondary.

However, this time, the Ravens have corner play that is considerably better, have an improved Joe Flacco, and an offensive line that can match up with just about anybody in the NFL.

The Colts lost Tom Moore, their genius offensive coordinator, and Tony Dungy, who is the mastermind behind the Indianapolis Colts.

However, I don't see the Ravens winning this game purely because the Ravens have always had troubles against the Colts, and that includes a 15-6 loss in the 2006 playoffs, that coming after the Ravens magical 13-3 season.

While losing both Moore, Dungy, and wide receiver Marvin Harrison will hurt Indianapolis, they still have the best quarterback in the game in Peyton Manning, a star receiver in Reggie Wayne, and a good tight end in Dallas Clark.

L (7-3)

 

Week 12 - Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Baltimore Ravens (8:20 PM, NBC)

This is the game Ravens fans want the most, I'm sure. Right now, it's pretty obvious the Ravens and Steelers are going to finish atop the AFC North. In what order has yet to be determined.

This matchup features two teams with incredible defenses, well coaches squads, and clubs with a history. Both teams respective fanbases are bitter. For now, the Steelers have bragging rights.

They beat the Ravens three times last year, if you include the AFC Championship. However, much of that is due to the constant duress Joe Flacco was under during those games.

While you wouldn't think a rookie drafted 23rd overall would make such an immense impact, offensive tackle Michael Oher would change that.

We know he's not going to completely limit James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley, both extremely good pass rushers, but we can expect Oher will stop the bleeding, and give Flacco some time to find the open receiver.

That was such a huge problem last year, as Flacco often had to automatically lob the ball to Derrick Mason by default when under pressure. That should change, and I expect a win in Week 12.

W (8-3)

 

Week 13 - Baltimore Ravens vs. Green Bay Packers (8:30 PM, ESPN)

This is a game I'm intrigued by. While the Green Bay Packers are a team who finished just 5-11 last season, I see them as a team who can turn it around.

They have a good back in Ryan Grant, a bright young quarterback in Aaron Rodgers, two solid receivers, and while the Packer defense was miserable last year, they did add Clay Matthews and B.J. Raji into the mix.

While I'm expecting the Ravens to leave Lambeau Field victorious, I wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens, in such an environment, fall short.

While Packers fans can use the excuse that Flacco, a young quarterback, will get rattled, that point is invalid. As you may or may not remember, this is a guy who went into Heinz Field (on Monday Night Football, in his third career start) and threw for nearly 200 yards, a touchdown, and no interceptions.

However, I see Green Bay as a surprise team and if the Ravens and Packers have identical records going into this game, I would not be very surprised, as the Pack definitely have potential.

W (9-3)

 

Week 14 - Detroit Lions vs. Baltimore Ravens (1:00 PM, FOX)

Unless you lived under a rock during the 2008 NFL season, which if you're a Lions fan, you probably considered, you'd know the Ravens have a clear advantage going into this game.

The Martin Mayhew/Jim Schwartz era in Detroit appears to be a better one than that of Matt Millen/(insert name). While it's unclear whether Matthew Stafford will emerge as the franchise quarterback, he certainly has the potential, and the Lions finally have some direction.

However, that direction in this game will be straight into the ground. The Lions have a dismal pass AND run defense. While they improved that during the draft by adding Louis Delmas, adding one second round safety can only do so much.

Unless the Ravens are 12-0 going into the game and prepared to tank the season, I'd be shocked if the Ravens fell in this game.

While teams like the Falcons, Ravens, and Dolphins turned it around last season, they had solid offensive lines and legitimate defenses, and in the Ravens case, great defenses.

However, I don't see the Lions as a team to have such a dramatic turnaround, as they don't have a legitimate defense or a good offensive line, and I don't see them coming out victorious...especially not in Baltimore.

W (10-3)

 

Week 15 - Chicago Bears vs. Baltimore Ravens (1:00 PM, CBS)

The diva of this offseason was Jay Cutler. He went through a rift with the management of the Denver Broncos, and ended up getting traded to the Chicago Bears.

The Bears haven't had a true franchise quarterback in quite some time, and at 25, Cutler is that guy. He'll need more targets, but finally has the running game so that Jay doesn't have to carry the team on his shoulders.

However, passing the ball on Baltimore is no easy task, not even to Jay Cutler. The 25-year old has a rifle arm, but he is not Peyton Manning, who was the only quarterback who had flashy numbers against the Ravens in 2008.

I expect the Ravens to come away with a victory. The Bears have no deep threats that the Ravens need worry about, and Matt Forte is a good halfback, but so are Ronnie Brown, Joseph Addai, Marion Barber, Brian Westbrook, Steve Slaton, Maurice Jones-Drew, Willie Parker, and Chris Johnson, all guys the Ravens completely halted during the 2008 regular season, and the Ravens defense, if anything, has improved. I don't expect the Bears to pose much of a threat, and the Ravens should win this game.

W (11-3)

 

Week 16 - Baltimore Ravens vs. Pittsburgh Steelers (1:00 PM, CBS)

The Ravens finally play a game in Pittsburgh not in prime-time. The Ravens have been surprisingly equal with the Steelers the last three seasons, as the total score in 2006, 2007, and 2008 games between the two is 117-90 Ravens.

However, when you weigh in that the Ravens outscored the Steelers by a score of 58-7 in 2006, the Steelers do have the advantage.

The Ravens almost never seem to win at Heinz Field, but who does? I expect the Steelers and the Ravens to be in a dog fight for the AFC North in this contest, as they always are.

Again, I think the Steelers will win the game. The Steelers have an incredibly easy schedule going into the season. In fact, the Ravens have the 28th hardest, while Pittsburgh's S.O.S. (strength of schedule) stands at 29th.

The Steelers and Ravens, I believe, will both make the playoffs, but the Steelers will again crawl out of the season as AFC North Division champions.

It'll be close, but the Steelers always seemed to come out with last minute victories, whether it be in the Super Bowl or against the Ravens.

L (11-4)

 

Week 17 - Baltimore Ravens vs. Oakland Raiders (4:15 PM, CBS)

The Baltimore Ravens have beaten the Oakland Raiders the last two meetings by a combined score of an embarrassing 56-10.

However, both those games were in Baltimore at M & T Bank Stadium. Playing in Oakland is certainly a frightening experience. The fans will, as NFL Films put it: "Raiders fans will eat your baby."

That may be a bit of a stretch, but Oakland Raiders fans take their football seriously, and come Sunday, they come to the game with intent to intimidate their opponent.

However, I doubt Joe Flacco is frightened of Oakland Raiders fans after he has faced the Steelers multiple times.

Al Davis again proved he should seriously consider retiring when he drafted Darrius Heyward-Bey, the fastest receiver available, instead of Michael Crabtree, the BEST receiver available. It was downright shocking.

The Raiders have some offensive support for JaMarcus Russell, and he is on the brink of a breakout. But against the Ravens? The Raiders never have success against the Ravens, and I don't see a change.

W (12-4)


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Great Article

I really enjoyed reading it and this seems very realistic… 12 wins looks just about right but i think 14 wins is even doable b/c we have a good chance vs. San Diego, and i still wanna see hot Gonzales turns out for the colts and the health of their team before picking them over us… but still. i like that you gave an in depth analysis on every game +10!

by ravsagain on Jun 24, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

However, I don’t see the Ravens winning this game purely because the Ravens have always had troubles against the Colts, and that includes a 15-6 loss in the 2006 playoffs, that coming after the Ravens magical 13-3 season.

We are now set to match up against the Colts like never before, with our upgraded secondary, focused on speed. Instead of one starting caliber CB, we now have three or four, with many more capable backups. I know most people have us losing to the Colts, again, but that is just too convenient.

I see them coming into our house and getting beat down, Baltimore style, to a score of 28-17.

by DT711 on Jun 24, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I really feel that the Colts are going to implode this season. New coach, and no more Marvin Harrison. They have Reggie Wayne and Gonzalez who has yet to step up big time, but after that, who else?

Ive been saying since the draft that I see the Texans taking a playoff spot this year. They might even win the division. That team has some scary talent all over the place and are ready to break out. I think the Colts go 9-7 with one of those losses coming as a 31-14 victory for the Ravens.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 24, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah you are right.....But

I still think we lose. But i dont think it will be a blow out. Apart from the new emphasis on speed on the secondary, i think the reason we may win is because of Greg Mattison. Lets hope Mattison is better against the colts than Rex was. Mattison emphasizes on dicipline on his defense, which cant hurt. You dont need to be fancy, Peyton always had Rex’s number, i think that changes with Mattison though.

by RAVEN'SD#1 on Jun 25, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey?!

week 1 we are gunna win but they definetly do have a legitimate RB who happens to be my cousin

so watch your mouth hahahahahahahahah =)

by Bm0re blackout on Jun 24, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd take 12-4 any year, but....

losing the typical tough ones at NE and Pittsburgh, along w/ another loss, this time at home, again to the Colts, will continue to put us in contending position, but keep us labeled as “pretenders” until we can beat one of them consistently.

Good comments, though. Damn you Brady, Manning and Rothlisberger!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jun 24, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chiefs?

Cassel a pro bowl quarterback after one year of play? Thats what people said about Derrick Anderson, but we all know what happened there. Cassel could be an even bigger risk knowing he came from a system that made it easy for him to perform well. Larry Johnson is a good running back so i could see the chiefs easily relying on their running game but we’d shut that down in moments. I still expect a win but don’t think that the game will play out with the chiefs using an air game.

by Musicman00328 on Jun 24, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

stole my thunder..Cassel hasn’t done anything. lol. nice breakdown though. i can’t see 12 wins with 1 older receiver to throw to. dead horse = 10 wons. we need our D to score again. i hope Ed is up to the 106 yard returns.

by raven on Jun 24, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's our raven

negative comment about a receiver would complete any post!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jun 25, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A+ Post.

Dont underestimate the Bengals.

I think we will lose one game to them. I honestly do, they scare me in that division.

But IMO this season will come down to one thing, and that’s our CB play. I’m so happy that Ozzie stocked up at the CB position. We really needed that.

So i see us finishing the like last year 11-5.

Let me say this though…Lardarius webb. I think he is going to be a STUD. He is going to be something. He will be the Xfactor in this defense. He will most likely replace Ivy, dont forget in 06 Ivy was effective, because he could blitz. Webb had 3 Sacks his senior season for 25 yards. He will be a very good player for us. He and Kruger are going to be the Hidden Gems in this draft. In two years or so if he starts in a couple of years, he will be a STUD!

by RAVEN'SD#1 on Jun 25, 2009 1:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Webb more so than Kruger

Kruger is behind in his progress and picking up the playbook and schemes. The pro game is so much faster and bigger than what he was used to at Utah. Now he’s going up against bigger stronger gus and is sort of coming up short. Too bad he has to go up against Gaither in practice although that might make gametime even easier for him!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jun 25, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

So he didn’t look too good ha? The thing is i want to see what position he plays. IDK if he’s a DE, an OLB IDK i dont know which position he will excell in.

Plus i’ve heard on other sites, that he looked okay. IDK.

by RAVEN'SD#1 on Jun 25, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He looks good

They say he has a high motor and goes all out every play. It just so happens that he is going up a very good offensive line. IMO, one of the hardest adjustments to make in the NFL is going up again NFL lineman after going against College lineman. These are the best big men in the world, so he is going to have a rough time at first, especially with the talent we have up front.

Don’t worry, Kruger will be destroying that so called offensive line in Shittsburgh.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 25, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kruger has a long way to go

plus a bunch of other LB’s already here in front of him waiting for their chances as welll.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jun 27, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

16-0

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 25, 2009 2:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope the team feels the same way

Hey guys. As you probably guessed I am a Bengals fan. I recently discovered SB Nation and have found that on both the Cleveland and Steeler boards here that the discussion is more intelligent and civil than other boards. Reasonable football discussion among rivals is prevalent and as long as the visitor is respectful and non-trolllike i was welcome. I hope that is the case here as well.

That being said, I think that the take in this post on the Bengals is a bit skewed. Yea you guys beat us down pretty well last year. Particularly the second game. But you were playing against a lot of backups in very key positions. I know you had some injury problems in Baltimore too but we never had a chance to gel. We went into the Pats game with only 2 LBs active! No, I am not saying we are what Carson indicates we are – but what do you expect him to say? He is trying to get the team as pumped as possible.
We recognize that you, and the Steelers are the teams we have to beat to get out of our funk but we are not even close to the same team you saw last year. Yea, TJ is gone and we will miss him, but Coles is a top notch replacement. We shoveled off our 2 biggest malcontents and locker room problems and I think Chad will be back to brobowl form. Is he a showboat? Yea, but I have no problem with that as long as he produces. Lets face it he wants to win and with a very good off season I think he believes the team ownership finally wants to as well. We will be a little better everywhere.

I will say this. If you guys, who have lost some great players and a great coach can pull it all together again you are probably still the better team. I have been of the opinion that we are another off season like the last one away from being real contenders. I do think we will play you much much better this year. If you play at a top level of your ability you probably win 1 or maybe both games. But if you let down, even a little, you may just find yourselves staring ruefully at the TV like I did last year. If your team goes into our games thinking it will be a “cake walk” we will beat you. Obviously injuries can change any team’s fate. I do not use injuries as an excuse on game day – but to ignore them as a factor is head in the sand stupid. Obviously this is a crap shoot but here is my win/loss prediction.

Steelers 12-4
Ravens 11-5
Bengals 10-6
Browns 6-10
       
Now, tell me about your biggest concerns regarding your team. What do you think is your biggest weakness? If you play less well than you expect where do think the problem will come from? If you play as well as you expect where does that come from.
For me and the Bengals it is obviously getting our Oline solidified is we play poorly. If we do well it will be Carson having time to throw downfield to 3 WRs who can play with almost any DB one on one, Ok maybe not Reed but believe me Carson won’t be throwing any balls his way unless Reed makes a mistake of trips and fall down. To be honest I worry more about your D than I do Pittsburg’s.

I respect your team. I love Reed and Lewis – they are among my favorite players. I am very hopeful that at the end of the season the Bengals may earn a little of your’s as well.
I apologize for the long post. I will keep them shorter in the future.

" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jun 25, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

The bengals can definitely be dangerous this season. Their defence should be significantly better than it has been the last few years (mainly due to Rivers and Maualuga), and aside from last year, Palmer has thrown all over the Ravens going back to 2005-ish. Coles is money. He is starting to get old, but I havnt heard anything about him having lost a step. Chad always causes problems for defenses.

However, I think the Bengals will be forced to play one-dimensionally against the Ravens, because I don’t see Cedric Benson having anywhere near the impact against the Ravens as Rudi Johnson sometimes did. Still, Palmer is definitely capable of beating you if you give him time.

If the Ravens struggle in any area this season, I think it will be tackling on the edges. Aside from Dawan Landry and maybe Frank Walker, none of the Ravens defensive backs are strong tacklers. Additionaly, Ray is not quite fast enough anymore to be a sideline-to-sideline tackling machine like he was earlier in his career. The x-factor here will be Tavares Gooden taking over for the departed Bart Scott. Gooden is lighting fast for a lb – he’s got the speed to run with the majority of NFL recievers – and I’ve read that his instincts and tackling skills are good. But he is unproven.

Just out of curiosity, do Bengals fans prefer Johnson or Ochocinco?

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jun 25, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I recently discovered SB Nation and have found that on both the Cleveland and Steeler boards here that the discussion is more intelligent and civil than other boards.

Words like intelligent and civil do not belong in the same sentence as Cleveland. But thanks for the comment.

ESPN did something where they asked the fans who they would want winning their team’s division if it couldn’t be their favorite team. Ive always said the Bengals because I respect Marvin Lewis and everything he did for the Ravens. The Browns are the most pathetic team in the league by far and the Steelers I hate more then…..well I just F***ing hate them!

Our biggest weakness is going to be our WR of course. The offense is still going to be very predictable and we might lose a few games because teams will finally figure out that by double teaming Mason, we cannot move the ball.

And people should be more worried about our defense then Pitt. If you can shut down Pitt’s wild blitz packages, you take away a lot. Just by eliminating Harrison and Woodley, that defense loses a lot. Pitt’s secondary is carried and overrated because of their front 7. With the Ravens, it does not matter if their is pressure or not, Reed is back there. Pitt can get sacks, but we can get turnovers, and many many many of them.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 25, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doubtful the Bengals go 10-6

In our division they’ll be lucky to go 3-3. Are you thinking they go 7-3 outside of it? Doubtful, although a healthy Carson
Palmer makes a huge difference. The offensive line may have gotten a good LT but still a rookie and a huge learning curve for a LT in the NFL. That said, an 8-8 season will be a big upgrade from 2008.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jun 27, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

12-4 sure would be nice

but I need to see the Ravens show some signs of breaking out of their up-down-up-down pattern before feeling that sure about this upcoming season. What was it, like 6-10 in 2005, 13-3 in 2006, 5-11 in 2007, 11-5 in 2008…

I feel optimistic, because with a stable quarterback we’re definitely due for a change in that trend.

They say the empty can rattles the most...

by Massacre on Jun 25, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You nailed it
with a stable quarterback we’re definitely due for a change in that trend.

Stable QB play should allow us to be consistent winners, rather then every other year.

by DT711 on Jun 25, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don’t see how the Bengals are better than last year. TJ was the heart, sole and identity of the team. With know running game it doesn’t matter how good Chad and Coles are. of the bengals get off to a slow start i’m not sure they are mentally tough enough to recover. they have had some major changes. i see 7 wins. not trying to be a dick but how can you pull 10 wins from this team.

baltimore was just as disfunctional as the bengals when we met last year. new players everywhere. rookie qb. 1 receiver. injuries and play by committee in the secondary. kick return by committee. bread and butter play calling. rookie coach. no team can say they were out personelled by the ravens. we won the way we always do with will and reputation.

by raven on Jun 25, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

They had a ton of injuries, most glaringly, Carson Palmer. You don’t think the upgrade from Ryan Fitzpatrick to Palmer will improve their team? Not to mention their draft picks and players returning from injury.

They will be a sleeper this year if they stay healthy.

by DT711 on Jun 25, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

w o w

seriously “last minute victories” yeah that means we are champions…you make it sound liike we are lucky that we are divisional champions and we win these games we are the BETTER team we win and its not because we “crawl out” with a win. I don’t mean to sound cocky of everything Pittsburgh has achieved because for every yard,score,game,and superbowl won I am so unbelievably grAteful for it all. But this year theres a very good chance that we win superbowl again:D

by steelcity7612 on Jun 27, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha! Again? Could be but,...

….I seriously doubt it. Lucky is what good teams make happen over and over again. The Steelers are a good team, and a lucky one. Can they stay lucky in 2009. I hope not and expect my Ravens to take over the division. However, we will just have to wait and see while spewing trash talk all over the place.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jun 27, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pitt has “it”. and “it” takes forever to get. that’s knowing you’ll win in a close game. knowing that, they keep games close. they play you tight and then they win. most games aren’t as close as they seem with pitt. they are the best at taking the air out of the ball.

by raven on Jun 28, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not sure Palmer will be the old Palmer after his injuries. i also wouldn’t counton draft picks to help that team this year. it will be a lot about confidence with the bengals this year. they won’t recover from a slow start. other bubble teams that won’t recover from a slow start are the bills, dolphins, vikings.

by raven on Jun 28, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Draft oicks can contribute to what is already there but not alone make the difference. O-line still an issue in Cincy and Carson should be fine, but will still be running for his life. Are you telling me that a rookie LT is gonna keep Trevor Pryce and company out of the Bengals backfield? I don’t think so!

Dolphins could easily go from division champs to 4th place in AFC East due to league’s toughest schedule by far!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jun 30, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you telling me that a rookie LT is gonna keep Trevor Pryce and company out of the Bengals backfield? I don’t think so!

Probably not, but the Ravens are a special case. Most defenses aspire to be like us. Their line may hold up against the non-elite D’s in the league.

Dolphins could easily go from division champs to 4th place in AFC East due to league’s toughest schedule by far!

Agree. I can’t wait to see the Dolphins eat it this year.

by DT711 on Jun 30, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It isn't just me

A lot of the pundits think the Bengals may become the 2nd best team in the div. Not me. Not yet. But if you objectivly read reports coming from OTA and mini camps it isn’t just Bengal fans who see a very improved team. Gil Brandt thinks we are on the rise as well as the notorious Bengal hater Peter King. I have already said you guys are the better team primarily due to inexperience on the Oline and the influx of drartees who will be in the lineup. But, you guys have some question marks as well. You lost some guys and their replacements, though promising, are still question marks until they actually prove it on the field – just like us.

 If I said Flacco took people by surprise last year and is due for a sophmore let down it could be backed up by the rife of “flash in the pan” QBs of the past. No I don’t think that but until he comes out this year and does it again it is possible. Carson says his arm is stronger than it was in 2005 due to all of the rehab work, He is throwing deep balls with regularity with his usual accuracy. His knee is fully healed. All of the WRs are touting him. Coles said that if he had a QB like him earlier in his career he would have set the world on fire. He thinks he will have a career year this season. Yea the Bengals are not quite there yet. But Carson will light it up if the Oline is even respectable.. Nobody can cover our WRs Ocho, Coles and Henry – or Caldwell for that matter if Carson has time.

I predict 1200 yards from Benson this year and we for the first time have a backup change of pace RB or two who everyone is high on. The only two areas where we may not measure up quite yet is in the pass rush ( we have addressed this area well but they havn’t done it on the field yet) and OL where we will be better than last year but it concerns me. I hope for league average or just a bit better – but who knows – with a full offseason to gel and develop a scheme they could be better than most people think. We also pushed Eric “the swinging gate” Ghuiachek (sp?) out of here. That alone, no matter who replaces him can’t help but be better – but Kyle Cook is big, very strong, has has 2 years to learn the system and best of all is said to be meaner than a rattlesnake. He might be the answer.

Like I have said, if your question marks work out well and you play strong you are the better team – right now. But if you let down at all we should be right with you. Some of the negative comments regarding the Bengals kind of seem like wishful thinking. You will not sweep us this year IMO. We will not be a “cake walk”.

" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jun 29, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cincy may be a better team, but...

….while they will look down to their Ohio brethren in Cleveland, they will bew looking up at Pittsburgh and Baltimore. You might not be a “cakewalk” but you won’t be as tough a test as other teams such as the hated Steelers. If we don’t sweep I will be surprised and of course it wil be a big upset if you do take one of the two.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jun 30, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweep Yes, Cakewalk no

I still think we sweep, but I also agree that the Bengals are improved over last year and they will not be a cakewalk. I also wonder how much in tune the players are with Lewis. He is entering his seventh season and I would not be surprised if players have had enough of Marvin after so many losing games/seasons.

I could be wrong, but the seventh season is about when I think Raven players started to grumble about Billick. Yes they did bounce back in Billick’s eighth season to go 13-3, but I think in hindsight w/o winning it all then, players had had enough of Brian’s ways. And we all saw how he was let go after the ninth season.

by vlad755 on Jun 29, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

After Rex Ryan left,...

….I was hoping that either the former 49ers coach Mike Nolan or Marvin Lewis would return to the Ravens as their D-Coordinator like in the past. Alas, no can do, but who knows what happens after this year….

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jun 30, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you guys even looked

I have visited Raven sites to see how the competition looks at this point compared to the Bengals. Before I posted I wanted to know a little about you before I posted. I obviously am not objective and frankly neither are you. You really can’t be if you are an optimistic fan as much as you may try. It will be what the teams do on the field that matters and there are a lot of variables that affect the outcome.

Reading some of the same old worn out descriptors of the Bengals here I wonder if you guys have done your due diligence and visited Bengals sites to see what is really happening. The chemistry is very good here. The team is young and hungry. The problem guys are gone and Chad has, IMO, genuinely had an amazing turn around in his attitude. Yes the Oline is a concern – especially with the quality D lines in this div, but it will be better. I invite you to visit our sites, look at out roster and try to find one area that isn’t improved. Coles will replace TJ and show different strengths. Carson is more pumped than I have ever seen him. Your D is great but, lets face it, your O is pedestrian. It is yet to be seen how your D will respond to losing a couple of elements. Flacco can be good again but your WRs are really not a big threat and you can’t run it all the time.

Listen, I have already said you are the better team, but not that much better. Don’t judge us by last year. We were, by far the most injured team in the league as far as starters are concerned. You guys beat up a team in a wheelchair last year. If you think that the Bengals are a bunch of thugs and miscreants and have bad attitudes I really can’t blame you but if you really look I think your assumption that you will sweep us is a bit arrogant. I think we improved more than you did this offseason and are gaining on you. Lets just say this should be an interesting year and fun for all of us to watch. Peace.

" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jun 30, 2009 8:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe that an optimistic fan can be objective. There is nothing wrong with being optimistic if you have good reasons for it. The Ravens have many legitimate reasons why they should be optimistic about next season. The reasons are objectively sound, and most experts agree. The Ravens defense is still dominate, and John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco were both extremely successful in their first season together. They will need to grow, but those are obvious reasons for optimism.

Your D is great but, lets face it, your O is pedestrian. It is yet to be seen how your D will respond to losing a couple of elements. Flacco can be good again but your WRs are really not a big threat and you can’t run it all the time.

You said that you “visited Raven sites” and tried to learn something about the Ravens, but your statement is the most “worn out” opinion of the Ravens that you will find. The fact is that the Ravens defense has lost many starters over the last decade and still continues to dominate. The Ravens lost Ed Hartwell and found undrafted Bart Scott. They lost Will Demps and drafted Dawan Landry in the fifth round. They lost Mike Nolan and promoted Rex Ryan. Our defense will continue to improve because it’s bigger than the players or coaches. It’s a proven mind-set and a long-lasting tradition in Baltimore.

The “O is pedestrian” opinion is also the oldest in the book. The Ravens offense is not the most productive offense in the league, but they are very efficient. Last season, the offense ranked 4th in rushing and 11th in points scored. Sure, they don’t put up tons of yardage, but they get into the end-zone… which is the whole point last time I checked. Furthermore, our offense pounds the rock, burns up the clock, and destroys the opposing defense’s will. I’ll take an efficient, ground-pounding offense over an inefficient, pass-happy offense any day.

The Bengals have accomplished much this off-season, and I can see the reasons why you are optimistic. By appearance alone, I would also rate the Bengals draft and off-season as one of the best this year. However, the Bengals must prove that they are improved. Remember the Chiefs from last season? Herm Edwards was on the hot-seat after a 4-12 record and needed a good season to keep his job. The Chiefs drafted Glenn Dorsey, Brandon Albert and Brandon Flowers. Everyone said that it was the best draft in 2008. What happened? The team went 2-14 and fired the head coach. An apparently good off-season does not necessarily make a good season. Furthermore, I wouldn’t say that the Bengals are close to being as good as the Ravens after one unproven off-season. The Bengals have much to accomplish and need to prove themselves to teams like the Steelers and the Ravens… not the other way around.

by BAL_Hawk on Jun 30, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Pieces?

We lost Bart Scott and as Bruce points out, the Ravens have a history of losing and replacing/upgrading linebackers and other defensive players. So I think our defense will be just fine in ’09

I think you need to “accentuate the positive”- look past the trash talking that is par for the course for a division rival and see what people are really saying: Bengals improved from last year, but they still have a ways to go. I believe that is a fair, honest assessment. With two “smash-mouth” teams (Baltimore and Pittsburgh) in the division, it is going to be a hard slog for the Bengals to improve a lot. I am not really sure what you are so upset about…

by vlad755 on Jun 30, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The most injured team in the league?

The Ravens set a franchise record of players on IR with 20! We were in the top 3 if not the most injured in the league and you don;t see us using that as an excuse. We got to the AFCC with 20 people on IR, including half our starting defense. Dont even use that as an excuse.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jun 30, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't use it as an excuse

I agree with you that to use injuries as an excuse for losing a game is totally lame. But to ignore them as factors is unrealistic. We had 20+ starters on the sidelines for multiple games including both top WRs and Carson- according to the NFL the most injured team in the league. We took our beating, went 0 – 8 in the first half but we never quit. We played hard to the end and there is something to be said for that. Yea, I’m positive about the Bengals and I do not apologize for that.

 Please understand, I hate trolls and I do not think I am one – but that would be for you to decide, I realize we have to prove it to you and Pittsburg that we deserve respect. I am hopeful that we can do that but I have said many times that you are the better team and that we are still another year from making noise in the Div. What should we do? Come out as fans and troll our own team? Hey, I view this board like I was sitting in a bar with a bunch of friends and talking football over a couple of beers. We can disagree without being disagreeable. I’m not down on you guys or the Steelers (except for Ward who I hope gets his due this year as I think he is a cheap shot artist) but lets face it you don’t just replace a Bart Scott. He was the elite. IMO the defensive player of the decade followed closely by Ray Lewis and Troy Whatshisname in Pittsburg. You can take the Bengals lightly if you like but well… I’m just saying. BTW I’m not upset. Its just football – now this economy being pushed into the dumper by self serving Democrats… that upsets me.

" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran

by JUNGLEJOHN on Jul 1, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, you have to face two of the toughest teams in the NFL

four times each season. Since both the Ravens and Steelers are at the top of their respective games, it will be tough to expect anything better than an 8-8 record. Are you expecting to split the season series w/ both teams? Doubtful. If you reasonable expect to go 1-3 against both, that’s already 3 losses and you’d need to go 8-4 against the rest of the league just to finish with a winning record next season, which is a tall task. Doubtful, regardless of the great draft you had.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Jul 1, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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