Great Offense or Great Defense?
Pick one because you can't have both in the NFL. At the very least, it is rare and extremely difficult to put both a great offense along with a great defense on the field in the same year. The NFL salary cap makes that type of combination a rare occurrence in the league nowadays. Sure there have been those teams in the past and you might respond with an argument for one of the teams in the league right now, but I'll dispute the definition of the word "great" all day if you do.
You can have a "great" offense or defense, and a "good" offense and defense, but there's a huge difference between "good" and "great" that I'm talking about. For instance, the Washington Redskins 4th ranked defense was "good" in 2008, but the Baltimore Ravens 2nd ranked defense was "great" last season. Offensively, the New England Patriots 5th ranked offense was "good" in 2008, but it was "great" as the top ranked offense in 2007.
My point is, you just can't sit here in Baltimore, proudly bragging about how our defense is one of the best in pro football, while at the same time complaining that our offense should be just as "great." However, you all have a valid point if your retort is to say you're not looking for a "great" offense, but would gladly settle for a "good" one. That's where we will split in our opinions about this team's ofense. To me, we already have a good offense. We were ranked in the top 11 in points scored last year and while our defense put points on the board or put us in scoring range with their turnovers, we still moved the ball. The problem was that we had trouble moving it against the better teams, namely the Pittsburgh Steelers. Face reality folks, not many teams had success moving the ball against the Steelers top ranked defense. Yes the Cardinals were able to throw the ball all around and over the Steelers secondary in the Super Bowl, but their offense is in the "great" class in my opinion.
I do firmly believe that the upgrdes we've made on offense, which includes the drafting of RT Michael Oher and other free agent signings, but mainly the improved health and added experience of our younger players, who are beginning to grasp and jell in a brand new offensive coordinator's system. Having second year QB Joe Flacco around a full year, with the ability to pick up and understand the system for the entire spring, summer and Training Camps is a huge advantage compared to last season, which cannot be underestimated. This offense is poised to make a huge stride in production in 2009. Will they enter the "great" category? Don't be ridiculous, but they should absolutely be "good" which will be good enough to get us far into the postseason, which it already did. Can it get us further, which to the Baltimore Ravens would be the Super Bowl in 2010?
Why not?
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Balance
This year the Ravens have the chance to have their most balanced team in the short history of the franchise. I see no reason why the defence shouldnt be top 3 and though the offense is not dynamic, it was much more pleasing on the eyes last year and should improve with another year of Cameron. Lets just hope we get out of the Billick “good year, bad year cycle”.
by Ngata 92 on May 30, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Still have no clue why you can't have both.
What if Marcus Smith or D-Williams all of a sudden breaks out like MANY other WR have in the past and together they put up 80+ for 1200 yards and 8-10 TD’s?
Clayton sees comes to his own and tears it up and Mason is Mason
McGahee runs for 1200 and has a pro bowl year.
Then Joe. Gets a 92 passer rating while passing for 3100 yards and 23 TD’s.
Do not need to say much about our defense, cause we know they will be great. So, do we HAVE to have a Peyton Manning and Tom Brady style offense where we put up the most points in the league every year to be considered “Great”?
If all the players on offense do their jobs and make plays when they are supposed to, I think that is great. We say this offense is going to improve, well they were the 11th ranked scoring squad last year. So if we are improving, we could very well see top 10. A top 10 offense is not great? Oh yea, we have to throw 40 TDs for that one.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on May 30, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Redskins #r ranked defense is not 'great"
then the Ravens 10th ranked offense will not be considered “great” either. However, I’ll take a top 2-3 defense and a top 10 offense anyday!
Bruce Raffel
by Bruce Raffel on May 30, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take
A top 1 defense and top 1 offense any day. Only thing you strive for is greatness.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on May 30, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep playing fantasy football, cause it ain’t happening.
Bruce Raffel
by Bruce Raffel on May 31, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they co inside
what i mean is if you look at the colts or the cards great O but no D or the bears no o but has d and if you combine them then you should win more than 1 game in the playoffs
by 2000 ravens on May 30, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ball control
With a good or great Defense, a smart coaching staff will stick with some sort of ball control offense. Thats one raeson you don’t see a team "great "on both sides of the ball. I still see us controlling the clock alot but with a few more down field attacks to keep them honest. If anybody is expecting big time numbers, you will be disapointed. If our offense makes some improvements and we get some breaks, it could be our year. Don’t forget how important a touch of luck is.
by Ngata 92 on May 30, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Barring Injury..
..This team should go far in the postseason. I’m banking on L.J. Smith to be a big target in the endzone and on third down and he shoud hopefully take some pressure off ofsomeone like mason and what seems to be a washed-up Todd Heap. I like Marcus Washington and Kelley Washington so I think that with them and from hearing how great Flacco’s looked in Camp, a 20+ TD season would not be a surprise. Combine that with versatility we have in the backfield with McClain almost cracking a thousand yards as a FB and with Rice and McGahee in the backfield, the running game should be just as consistant as last year. I mean if we can make to the The confernce title game with a rookie flacco, Imagine a smarter, more confident flacco who will probably make the probowl and be up there in production with rothleberger (with less sacks ofcourse) The rundefence will be the best in the league and hopefully Foxworth proves his contract was not a waste and Landry can come back strong. Don’t be surprised if the Ravens are holding up the Lombardi Trophy on the first Sunday of February.
by ravsagain on May 30, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add..
The addition of Chris Carr will help alot.. He led the league in return yards with the Titans and that will be a major “+” for us. Starting from the 26-30 yardling is a lot better than the 16, which we so oftenly did last year w/ Figgures
by ravsagain on May 30, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still doubt that Flacco will makr the PRo Bowl anytime soon.
With the type of ball control offense, we don’t need an All Pro QB, and god help us if we need to outscore the other teams for Joe to put up big stats. If so, we’re going nowhere fast.
Bruce Raffel
by Bruce Raffel on May 30, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the type ofball control offenseReceivers.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on May 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ouch.
raven, did you steal MaLoR’s name?
Bruce Raffel
by Bruce Raffel on May 31, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ravens Great Defense
I don’t want to rain on anybodies parade or anything, and I am a huge Ravens fan, but the Ravens D is a little up in the air right now. Sure we still have most of the same D players as we did last year, but our DC is different. I know Mattison was with the team during the Rex Ryan era, but that doesn’t mean he will be just as successful as Ryan. As much as I hope the Ravens D is just as intimidating as previous years, we can’t just assume that everything will be exactly as it was. Right now it looks like the Ravens are making that turn into being an offensive team, and as the author of this blog has said, you can’t have a great O and D it’s usually one or the other, these next couple of seasons we may see the O and D passing on their respective syats rankings.
by strangebru on May 30, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rex definitley was a big key
But if you think about it, the fact that most starters are returning including people like Lewis, Reed and Ngata, will keep our defense rolling. They knew what it took to keep the defense so successfulbefore so they will know how to keep it rolling. I’m sure that Mattison got together with these guys multiple times in trying to decide how his defense is gonna look this year so I’m sure that there won’t too big a fall off.
by ravsagain on May 30, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never knew that the D-Coordinator
ws the reason our defense ws so good? I guess we were just lucky to have Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan and Rex Ryan, huh? Something tells me that we were going to be a top defense with or without those guys, and Mattison will be just fine as our defense will once again dominate in 2009.
Bruce Raffel
by Bruce Raffel on May 30, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we play more of a 4-3
Just like the 2000 ravens. The 3-4 is great and all, but it has not brought us a championship since we switched to it. We have the line to do it. Have Ngata and Gregg as the DT. Suggs at right DE and Pryce at left DE. Play T-good as the weak side backer, Johnson as the strong side and Ray in the middle. We may not get as many sacks and what not, but it will keep us from gettin burnt on the big play. And it seems like every time we blitz Pitt. Big Ben would just break a tackle, scrample for like 10 seconds and dish it off to homles for a huge 40+ yard gain. All we have to do is rush 4, Blitz on occasion, and play that bull s*** slant and go patten they always kill us with. anyone agree? I believe we have much more sucess in the 4-3.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on May 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really doesn't matter
because we line up in some stange sets and then break to other positions once the ball is snapped. That’s what made it so hard for other teams’ offenses because we were so good at disguising our defensive formations.
Bruce Raffel
by Bruce Raffel on May 31, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You May be On to Something
Rex was organized chaos when he ran the defense. Mattison may tweak the defense a little more towards what Marvin Lewis did, at least that is where I have my suspicions. I am not sure anybody else can come in and duplicate what Rex did because what he did was just crazy… effective, but crazy…
by vlad755 on Jun 2, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going on vacation for the week for my 21st b-day.
Take it easy Beatdown.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on May 30, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But you promised
to post a story as I’ll be out of town all week!
Bruce Raffel
by Bruce Raffel on May 31, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From all the piles of stats research I've read
I believe the evidence points most strongly towards the important choice not being O vs D, but Pass vs Run. Pass O and Pass D correlate much more strongly with winning than their running game counterparts.
O vs D is a much weaker split. FO says that O’s have less year to year variance, so it’s easier to maintain a great O than a great D. Advanced NFL Stats research has O as a bit more strongly related to winning than D in all categories, but not by a lot.
(Here‘s a big chunk of the Advanced NFL Stats conclusions, the FO stuff is harder to track down, since a lot of it is in their books and their website isn’t easily searchable.)
by shake n bake on May 30, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as far as pitt goes i totally agree the 4-3 is best. bens best in the scramble. a little containment solves him. we’d rush 3 and try a blitz off the end and he’s simply run the other way out of the pocket and find a dump off guy while our lb’s were frozen between receivers and rb’s looking for the pass. 4 guys on the line will help seal him in a little better.
by raven on May 30, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dead on
This is what the Titans did when they crushed them. All we have to do is let suggs do his thing against there LT, send Ngata up the middle bulldozin his way in and play a little coverage.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on May 30, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Ngata in single coverage. Bad plan
by archon095 on May 30, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Balance
When the Patsies were winning three out of four SuperBowl’s, I believe they were pretty balanced. In other words, both their offense and defense were ranked similarly: good, but not great.
I believe that when you have an extreme unbalanced situation, a la the 200 Ravens, the Rams and Colts when they won the SuperBowl, it can give you a chance at a championship, because one facet of the game is so much more dominant than what the competition can offer; however I do not believe that model is sustainable for a long run. By sustainable for a long run I mean winning three out of four. I believe only a balance situation is sustainable for a long run.
As a Ravens fan, I am going to sound like a bit of homer with this next comment, but if our young offensive line can gel, I truly believe our O-Line will be better than Pittsburgh’s and we have a good chance of leap frogging them. Yes, they will have better receivers (unless we get Boldin -oops, did I just open up that Pandora’s box again? Sorry folks…), but I think overall everything else is a wash including Flacco almost equaling Ben and our defenses canceling each other out. Yes Pittsburgh did beat us three out of three last year but even an objective Steelers fan would say the margin between the two teams is pretty thin. Really, it came down to Flacco being an NFL rookie and Ben being able to buy himself an extra second in the pocket and withstand direct hits from Leonard…
by vlad755 on Jun 2, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
our o-line was better than pitts and will be agin this year..i get what your saying but when the fourth quarter rolls around we are not that even with pitt.. ben, ward, holmes, harrison and troy all made monster plays in the fourth quarters of our games. our stars didn’t. ben went the distance- flacco threw picks. harrison got into the backfield more that our LB’s. ward caught, baited and decoyed for his team. mason got eaten up. holmes made the catches that mattered and clayton was a no show. scores were close but offensive killer instinct wasn’t.
by raven on Jun 3, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we need Oher to bring a bad ass swager to that side of the o-line. and we need flacco to throw medium deep before we settle for the massive short stuff. i truly think we will benefit from the deep ball even if it means a few more INT’s. what was he 13 tds and 11 ints last year throwing conservatively. i think his natural ability and just letting him air it out won’t produce that many more INT’s than 11. the got was folded up and obvious in the playoffs. let the guy have some fun with some 3 receiver sets. i think he can be that type of qb.
by raven on Jun 3, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what better know player do you guys think is out of here if they do not produce this year?
i think d. williams, heap and mcgahee need big years to keep them here.
by raven on Jun 3, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Their only hope of staying is producing or getting hurt.
Bruce Raffel
by Bruce Raffel on Jun 5, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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