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Kelly Washington could be #3 WR

      On Tuesday May 19th Kelly Washington was signed by the Ravens to a one year contract but the amount was not disclosed. It seems that coach Harbaugh has a lot of faith in Kelly saying that "He's kind of a young 29." Due to the fact that his body has not suffered a lot of wear and tear. John also likes him as a possible special teamer. Kelly Washington is 6'3 215 while his counterpart for the third receiver spot Demetrius Williams is 6'2 197. Washington beat out the other WR's competing for a job in mini camp who were Jerry Porter and Tab Perry. So far the Ravens have really liked what they have seen from Kelly and according to Hue Jackson the QB's coach who also coached Kelly in Cincy as a receiver's coach, he hasn't had the best time with coaches and just needs a good receiver's coach like Jim Hostler to help him reach his potential. Personally I like Williams but if Washington proves that he can be the better receiver than more power to him. He just might have a better upside than D-Will considering his mostly unproductive career so far. I like both guys but I have a better feeling about Kelly. Who do you guys like? May the best man win.

Kelly is signed:

http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2009/05/19/sports/csports051809.txt

Harbaugh's reaction:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2009/05/kelley_washington_no_3_receiver.html#comments

The opinions posted here are those of the administrator of this blog and his loyal readers. They are in no way official comments from the team, and should not be misconstued as such, even though he thinks he could do just as well or even a better job!

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As I've said, I really like Washington

and remembered him from U. of Tennessee. He was stuck behind 85 and TJ in Cincy and never got the chance in NE. Here could be a great opportunity for him if Joe looks his way. Big, strong fast and healthy, two of those things DWill is not (strong, healthy). This might not bode well for my boy, Marcus Smith, but I’m a Ravens fan first. Hopefully, there will enough chances for both to shine, and DWill too.

Bruce Raffel

by Bruce Raffel on May 25, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Serious Question

Demetrius Williams? Where has he gone? Im not a Ravens fan obviously, but i thought he was quite good

Bleeding Black and Gold since 1989 baby, Blitzburgh is back, time for a repeat!

by Steeler_ on May 25, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just been hurt

When he has been in, he has made some serious plays. If he played a full season, I would not be surprised if he put up 50+ rec for about 900 yards and 5-6 tds as the 3rd WR.

He can get down field in a hurry and catches everything.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 25, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will

just needs help finding the ground after a jump ball. Haven’t all the injuries stemmed from a “bad landing” of some sort?

by adh on May 26, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you're right

he always seems to go up and catch that jump ball and landon his rump. Perhaps Joe can outthrow him and he will have to run under it and catch it in full stride for a change. How about some YAC, DWill!?

Bruce Raffel

by Bruce Raffel on May 26, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he’ll stink…he’s 29 and hasn’t made his mark anywhere…if people complain that a an all pro linebacker has lost his speed at 30 why should we marvel at 29 year old receiver who has done relatively nothing. the group we brought in was c- at absolute best. washington will not be enough to take the pressure of mason. if i’m a defense playing against the ravens i would have no hesitation putting a rookie or part time d-back on our number 2 receiver while I blanket mason with my number 1 man. our thrid down pass plays will be obvious. heap is still a catching threat but his lack of YAC gives me many coverage options..nothing a heavy LB couldn’t recover from.

by raven on May 26, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's the raven I know and admire

Positive and willing to give a guy another chance.

Bruce Raffel

by Bruce Raffel on May 26, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clayton

will get more looks because Flacco is more experienced. Joe will have the comfort of going through his progressions. Last year Joe just waited for Mason to get open (and Mason usually did). Clayton will show us that, although maybe not 1st round caliber, he is a good #2. I think, just the fact that Joe is more experienced, and we have a quick, sure-handed #3 like D. Williams, our receivers will be able to stretch the field next year. Putting a rookie d-back on Clayton? That’s retarded.

by Ravens Boner on May 26, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was cincys #3 or 4 dude…what do you want from me. We don’t have much of a rep. for developing receivers why should that change with a 29 year old #3 from Cincy. The only thing he has going for him is Cincy’s ability to make decisions. They let him go so there is the very real possibility he might go to the pro-bowl. If that happens he could take big money from Cleveland the year after and end up in jail for selling illegal retreaded tires from a van and never play again. That’s just how the AFC North works.

by raven on May 26, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You are right

Washington is not going to come in here and be the savior. I doubt he sees more then 8 catches.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 26, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It all depends

on the health of the other wideouts. I agree that Mason, Clayton an Heap will be Flacco’s first hree options, but the other guys (D-Will, Washington, M. Smith) will become more valuable depending on the health of the top three. Also, let’s not forget the guys out of the backfield as well. I will be surprised if Joe doesn’t get around 20 TD passes and stay around half of that in picks, both which will good enough to lead us to the post season. Yes, I did say “lead!”

Bruce Raffel

by Bruce Raffel on May 27, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is Steeler’s picture of that lady who starred in Monster or is it Leo in What’s Eating Gilbert Grape (Tom Brady).

by raven on May 26, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

all I need is 10 tires, 4 traffic cones and a small parachute and I could develop a receiver faster than the Ravens. they have 14 year start to boot.

by raven on May 26, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well if it makes you feel any better

Anquan Boldin fired Drew Rosenhaus today.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 26, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot to add

wheels and hands!

Bruce Raffel

by Bruce Raffel on May 27, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’m done with Boldin…bad carma

by raven on May 26, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ravensboner- clayton has good hands but he won’t “stretch the field” by any account. he caught the ass end of a deep ball and now he’s a field stretcher. we have a #1.5 receiver and a stable full of #3’s and #4’s. each and every one of these clones would put up the same stats by the end of the game. 4 catches 40 yards on a good day. our own troop of 4-40 guys.
what is a #2 receiver then? Chad’s TJ, Ward’s Holmes, Edwards/Jarivichus/Winslow (2008). I just can’t go Mason’s Clayton. Mason’s Clayton? No Goose and Maverick there. Your better off stretching the field with Figurs at a dead sprint or Koch putting one off the blimp. Mason, Clayton, Washington. WOW. I’ll even toss often injured Heap in the bunch. I’m amazed ticket prices haven’t gone up more.

by raven on May 26, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Before Randy Moss got to NE...

…Brady had no one either and how many SB’s did they win with that bunch of no-names? How many have they won w/ Moss, Welker, etc? Now I’m not going to compare Joe to Tom, but there is a relative point there somewhere…

Bruce Raffel

by Bruce Raffel on May 27, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the point is

that other than Mason, we don’t know how good our receivers are because they have yet to gain experience in a legitimate offensive system. Raven just does not see the whole picture, the passing game is more than just the WR core, it’s the playcalling, the pass protection, the QB, a lot of variables in that equation.

Let’s take look some numbers shall we. How about the last two WR’s discussed here..Clayton and Moss..

Randy Moss and Mark Clayton ’05 and ’06 seasons:

Randy Moss (in the Oakland system) – total yards 1558, total TD’s 11

Mark Clayton ( in the old Ravens system) – total yards 1410, total TD’s 7

pretty close in my opinion.

Now one may argue that Moss put up big numbers in his 1st year in NE and Clayton had another subpar season last year in the new system. There is a major difference in joining a system that is already established, proven ,and successful and learning one that is brand new to the entire organization. Now that the new Raven’s system is in place we should see more positive results.

My point is that the system can make a huge difference, look at all the Ravens Defensive players that shine here and are not nearly as effective on other teams. My advice to Raven is get back to us once Clayton, Heap, and Will or Washington are consistently dropping catchable passes, then I may take him seriously till then let’s see what happens..

by adh on May 27, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How come

We did not trade our 4th round pick for Moss? I would have given a 3rd!

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 27, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how depressing

it could have been Moss for Figurs….

by adh on May 27, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember 2000?

We won with stud WR’s like Quadry Ismail, Brandon Stokely, and Jermaine Lewis. You do not need big name WR’s to win. They might help, but if having Stud WR’s was the key to winning, wouldn’t the Cardinals, with Boldin, Fitz, and Breaston, be SB Champs right now?

by DT711 on May 27, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In some cases

it is the key (Colts, ’99 Rams).. it depends on the system.

by adh on May 27, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess a more

appropriate description would be “a key” instead of “the key”

by adh on May 27, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

But it is clearly not the only blueprint for winning.

by DT711 on May 27, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in 2000? you might want to include hall of famer shannon sharp who carried the O as much as any player in history. sharp, ismail, jemaine lewis (who was at one point had more tds over 50 yards than any other player in football and was frequently underused by billick), stokley (who had glue hands but got injured too much). he did show up in a big way in the SB. those guys would be an improvement over what we have now. i’d take Patrick Johnson back at this point.

by raven on May 27, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 27, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

those guys would be an improvement over what we have now.

Disagree, but that is really up to one’s own opinion.

Anyway, I’ll take the guys we have now along with Joe, over the 2000 guys with Dilfer, any day. The sum of all parts is clearly greater now, and I don’t think that is debatable. My point is that we will have enough of a passing game to win this year. That will not be what keeps us from winning the SB.

by DT711 on May 27, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, can't agree

We were all so close to making the Super Bowl. Would we have won vs. Arizona, maybe or maybe not? The thing is we do not need an offense to outscore the opponent. We just need one to put 20 points on te board each game and we shold be okay. The Cards needed to have the big play offense because their defense was not god enough to help them win like our is. Take a choice: Great offense r great defense. Rarely can you have both, due to cap issues. We’ve chosed defense in Baltimore. Get used to and embrace it.

Bruce Raffel

by Bruce Raffel on May 27, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I think the point here is that there is real potential for the passing game to improve next season without the upgrades at WR. I don’t think anyone expects the Ravens to have a passing game that will be relied upon to win games, just one that is finally respectable. How can anyone say there is no chance for the Ravens passing game to improve and acutally mean it? …well anyone OTHER, than Raven..

by adh on May 27, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

We will improve a lot in my opinion. Flacco’s second year, Cam’s second year and the guys should jell even more. My point is that we do not need to spend the $$$ to improve at WR, as we don’t need to be an Arizona" type of offense.

Bruce Raffel

by Bruce Raffel on May 28, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

disgruntled moss in terrible oakland was going through the motions while clayton was busting his ass (i guess) to get his numbers with a better team. moss still walked 11 td’s in and was covered a whole lot more serious than Clayton.

the system? most teams have a new system every few years. coaches come and go faster than ever before. the system can’t make a guy come back to the ball or get off his individual blocks or get open down field in man coverage.

the whole picture? when you see the same picture every year you tend to recognize it. do you believe that mason will not be the only 3rd down threat when our coaches tighten up in crunch time. can you honestly see clayton earning tough 3rd down yards against pitt.
where was he the last 3 games against them. the system right. who came up short then Cam, Harbaugh or Clayton?
 
pass protection? joe had decent time last year. our ends did a decent job considering new additions etc.. big ben had a lot less time with his line but Holmes and Sweed managed to make an appearance when it counted.

if there was anytime a receiver should be coming up big it’s when they are virtually the only other option. clayton didn’t have to share time with anyone. he was healthy. he had job stability. his TE was beat up and missing time. there weren’t trade rumors swirling around him. he didn’t have a vet qb yelling at him. it was up to him. he couldn’t ask for a better time to elevate his game.

he’s a #3 receiver at this point. this year has to be his breakout year. if ozzie is so confident that an addition of Washington will make us competitive, Clayton has to be ready to bust out. Right? D. Williams will miss boat loads of time.

Welker is the real deal. he PROVED it. welker is flat out better than clayton. welker had to work with a qb who hasn’t started since high school. he also goes across the middle and takes his hits. i can turn on ESPN and hear Welker welker welker.

maybe it is Cams fault for not including Clayton. maybe Cam isn’t capable of spreading the field and will continue to roll flacco to the right and hitting mason for 6 on the line. maybe flacco wasn’t ready to use the whole field after 16 games. we shall see.

by raven on May 27, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great point here
if there was anytime a receiver should be coming up big it’s when they are virtually the only other option. clayton didn’t have to share time with anyone. he was healthy. he had job stability. his TE was beat up and missing time. there weren’t trade rumors swirling around him. he didn’t have a vet qb yelling at him. it was up to him. he couldn’t ask for a better time to elevate his game.

I agree that we are going to have to play nearly perfect football offensively if we want to beat Pitt and go deep in the playoffs. We squeaked by Tenn, and Pitt would have swallowed up that desperate lob by Joe to Clayton when he was double covered which of course only leads to 3 points. When you have a guy that can turn the game around with one or two plays (fitz, johnson, boldin, etc.) you can afford to take some shots and not have to be so systematic.

With guys of those caliber, you can afford to not play perfect football offensively against a team like Pitt cause you can all of a sudden strike when its no expected. With the group we have now, we will always be sitting on the edge of our seats and biting our fingernails as we watch Joe barely zip a pass through Palamalu’s hands into Mason. Sure, its nice to control the clock, yadda yadda yadda. But when Manning puts 21 up on us in the first 30 minutes of the game, that system is not going to work for us.

I hate hearing when Harbaugh says, “stick to the fundamentals.” We have the fundamentals down, just like nearly every other elite team. It is about what you can do that the other team cant do or is not expecting. Pittsburgh tore apart our “fundamentals,” while Ben was making up plays in the sand and capitalizing on them.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 27, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right there with ya

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 28, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if there was anytime a receiver should be coming up big it’s when they are virtually the only other option. clayton didn’t have to share time with anyone. he was healthy. he had job stability. his TE was beat up and missing time. there weren’t trade rumors swirling around him. he didn’t have a vet qb yelling at him. it was up to him. he couldn’t ask for a better time to elevate his game.

Our offense had training wheels last year, as evidenced by our low number of pass attempts. Clayton will be much better this year. I know as Mr. Pessimism you won’t believe this, but I would be willing to make a wager that Clayton will establish himself as a solid #2 WR this year.

As Ive said before, there are many other factors that will improve the passing game then getting a big name WR. Second year in Cam’s system, Flacco’s second year, Young WR’s improving and learning the offense, Improved O Line. We may not be the top pass offense in 2009, but we will be greatly improved from last year.

by DT711 on May 27, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a great topic to debate further

How about a FanPost, raven, with those points and I’ll promote it if you write it?

Bruce Raffel

by Bruce Raffel on May 27, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Raven

You are missing my point here dude, but it’s good to see some real discussion, knew I could count on a response.

1st – I agree with you, Moss is a better receiver than Clayton. That’s not my point, what those numbers prove is the dramatic effect envrionment has on performance. It’s not just about talent and physical gifts alone. A bad situation can rob a player of his potential just like an injury. My point is that once Moss returned to a working system he put up good numbers, Clayton has never had a chance to play in a productive passing scheme, but it looks like he may have an opportunity once
Cam’s system is fully in place, we need to give it a chance.

2nd – Most teams actually have a decent system when it comes to pass offense, we don’t…yet, I think it is on the way. How can Clayton improve his technique and route running if the system sucks, Mason had the opportunity to hone his skills inTenn, Clayton has not had that chance.

3rd – The “whole picture” I am referrring to is that of our offense finally coming together. You are correct when you said “we see the same picture every year” , my point here is that this season I think we really have a chance to change that picture dramatically. During the last 3 games we saw that our system was still maturing, but c’mon man how can you be pessimistic when we made it to the title game with virtually a brand new organization?

4th – Pass protection was decent last year, no argument here. Just saying that it can affect WR productivity, who knows, if Joe had an extra second or two we may have had some better numbers..My point here is that improving pass protection can indirectly improve WR’s

5th – I think Clayton did step up this year, he made some plays that I had never seen him make in prior years, maybe the numbers were not great, but we were a practically an exclusive run offense. Next year I think that will change.

6th – Agreed, this year has to be his breakout year, I think he has a good chance to make it. Maybe Washington has a chance too, I don’t know much about him..D Will needs to learn how to use his landing gear, he’s got the flying part down…

7th -Welker is a solid WR, no argument here. He has excelled in a great system across from Moss. He is tough as nails and no system can create that.. Not sure how that related to my initial post, but I fully agree..

8th – It’s nobody’s fault dude, these things take time. I just can’t be that critical after the season we had, barring injuries, it’s only going to get better. If it gets better that means we have a good shot at the SB, how can anyone be bitter about that??

Good discussion man, looking forward to your Fan Post. Finally some real $h!t to talk about.

go have a beer, Cheers!

by adh on May 27, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Straight forward & simple to me

Your pass game improves: incrementally

1. Cam & Flacco each continue to improve in their second year.

2. Washington improves the WR’s just by adding competition for roster spots.

by steelerstyle on Jun 1, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crap. I’ll have to figure out spell check. I’ll give it a shot Thursday morning over my Giant brand coffee and Little Debbies.

I want Clayton to succeed. I want D-Williams to be healthy. I want Washington to have a chance. I just wanted 1 receiver with a track record of any sort to at least close the gap with our load bareing D. I wish our guys had a tract record that showed just 1above average attribute like good in the slant, has a great double move, hard to jam. I can’t think of one thing for any of these guys outside of Mason that do 1 thing outstanding at the NFL level. We are so shallow at this position we signed Copper in the heat of a playoff race (at least Ron Kittle and Keith Moreland did some things before the Orioles scared the Yanks with their presence). Every offseason our 2-4 receiver positions are wide open. How can Flacco concentrate on anyone when he has 8 guys in the passing mill up to the last preseason game and beyond?

by raven on May 27, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To go with raven here.

You have to look at how disappointing it really is about Clayton. He averages 2.5 catches, for 43.4 yards a game. Ok, he is getting about 12-18 yards a catch, but he is not making enough of them.

I mean, Clayton’s best season (67 rec. 939 yards and 5 TD’s) comes in 2006 under Billick’s shitty system and Steve “No Air” McNair at QB? We all talk about how great our new system is, which I do think is correct, but how come Clayton puts up #3 WR numbers? There are #3 WR in the league that average 2-3 catches a game for about 30-40 yards.

When raven stated,

if there was anytime a receiver should be coming up big it’s when they are virtually the only other option. clayton didn’t have to share time with anyone. he was healthy. he had job stability. his TE was beat up and missing time. there weren’t trade rumors swirling around him. he didn’t have a vet qb yelling at him. it was up to him. he couldn’t ask for a better time to elevate his game.

It is a great point. We had no clear cut 3rd guy to go to, Heap was having one of the most disappointing receiving seasons of his career, his job is not at danger, everyone is getting along, yet we do not utilize him to the best ability. We can go ahead and say that he showed some flash, which I agree that it was exciting to see, but it came against Clev, Cinci and Jacksonville. Where was that flash against the teams it mattered?

We throw like wild to Clayton against teams that are not in the race, but get scared against the better teams. If we found a way to do it against some of these teams with Clayton, why can’t we do it against Pitt, Indy, NYG? Because we are afraid of not playing “perfect football” offensively. We think “oh these guys are 10-2, we better take it slow and try to not make any mistakes by stretching the field.”

Fuck that. Start it off slow, feel out the defense with McClain and the other guys, throw some dink passes to Heap and Mason, then attack the defense. This is such a copy cat league like every player and coach will tell you, so teams are going to figure out our style. We need to become unpredictable, and having Joe staring at Mason each time he drops back is not going to cut it.

I hope that Williams, Clayton, Smith, etc step it up. I mean, not only did we have every opportunity in the world to have a #3 step up, which did not happen, we had every opportunity to have Clayton step up. It was set in place for him to have 60+ catches, and we did not get him the ball. He will make the catch across the middle, but will fall right after.

This comment has cheap beer talking, so take it the way it is.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 28, 2009 1:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said

Kudos to all on this sort off-topic from Post’s title.

Bruce Raffel

by Bruce Raffel on May 28, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Malor

life is too short to drink cheap beer..

1 – Not making enough, maybe, but he is not dropping them. IMO it is easier to improve route running/technique, than improve hands..

2- Mason’s numbers in ’06, they were way down, Clayton was the goto guy and he managed a solid year.

From what I understand Clayton had some major family issues in ‘07. Is that an excuse? No it isn’t, but if we are going to let other WR like Moss of the hook for being disgruntled and going through the motions, then you have afford Clayton the same. It’s a shame because he had momentum going into the season and it was wiped out by off the field BS..

Last year in ‘08 is a brand new system, with a rookie QB, etc…he started out slow, but let’s take a closer look at the numbers:

Mark Clayton ’08:

Total yards – 695
Total TD’s – 3

Games 1-8: 185, 1 TD

Games 9-16: 510, 2 TD

In fact if you look at his split stats, nearly every measurable doubled in the 2nd half of the season, (with the exception of total rec)

He stepped up when Mason got hurt, how is that not improvement??

3 – So where was the “flash” against the teams that mattered? How about, where was the opportunity? Look at his stats for the Pitt games, only 3 total recs’…sad, but 2 of those 3 catches were for 1st downs, those were close games, no trash time here. My point is that when he acutally had an opportunity, he made the most of it…

4 – I think the passing game in general takes a back seat against tougher opponents, but I think this has more to do with pressure on the QB and Flacco’s inexperience. I think most of us agree that Flacco has “it”, so I would expect him to look sharper against tougher opponents next year, especially with an improved and healthy O-line.

5 – Agree Completely! Without a doubt, we need to attack defenses, set the freakin’ pace. Once you have big Mo’ on your side things tend to get easier..

6 – I think now that the system has had a full year to sink in we will begin to see positive results. The chemistry between Flacco should develop.

There is no guarantee that Clayton will have the breakout year, but if it is going to happen, it will happen in ’09, …guaranteed

Dude, do they even sell “cheap beer” in college park? Nothing is cheap there…

by adh on May 28, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

150 Natty Lights for 59.99

Best deal in CP. Then 2 dollar beers at most bars on Friday and Saturday and also there used to be quarter rails but it was causing to much drunken problems. I mean, you pay 5 dollars and you got 20 drinks! Now its dollar rails. Ok, I see you like the number system, so I will respond that way.

1. I agree with you here. I do not hate the system or Clayton what so ever. I defend Clayton more then I disrespect him like raven does. I am very aware that he does not drop the balls when thrown his way. He does have very, very good hands. You and I are right, we just did not get the ball to him enough.

2. The family issues can be an excuse I guess. If he was having wife problems, kid problems or a serious illness in the family will take a toll on someone. So, if that was the case, sorry to hear that about Mark, cause he is a great person.

His numbers did step up in the 2nd half. That is for sure. But those numbers in the first half are atrocious. In 8 games, he puts up stats that a lot of guys in the league do in 1 game! Not having him step up/Cam not getting him the ball is a key reason why we lose 3 of our first 8 games. The Pitt game was just bullshit luck. We were running the table in that game and Pitt gets the lead in 35 seconds because of 2 bullshit plays. Our offense was moving on them very well, but Clayton was still no where to be found.

I think that Pitt’s secondary is very overrated. Our WR can beat their CB’s and the only guy we really need to account for is Palamalu. I mean, Pitt is the game that matters the most right now. And for our former first round pick and #2 WR to average 1 or 2 catches every game, I do not care if they are for first downs. He needs to see the ball at least 5 times each of those games and if he is first round talent, he needs to show it against those CB’s.

3. I also agree with you, where was the opportunity? I put more of the blame for Clayton’s numbers on Cam more then I do Mark himself. We will not beat the elite teams by if we keep playing thinking that what works against these 3-7 teams is going to work against Pitt, Indy, Tenn, NYG, etc. Mason can only do so much, and if we get down by a touchdown or 10 points against these teams, pounding it with LeRon and Willis every time is not going to get it done. We need to take chances, and Mark needs to capitalize on them when his time comes. Cam got scared against these teams and did not take advantage of the talent we have.

4. Good point here. Of course we are not going to see Clayton do what he did to Cinci that one game, but averaging 1 or 2 catches against Pitt does not cut it. I mean, in our first meeting with them, he had ZERO catches. I mean come on. Yes, we were moving on them fairly well, but not enough towards the end to win. With pressure, we had good enough protection for Joe to make the plays. Our line played very well last year, especially on his blind side. Flacco does have “it.” We will see improvement in the passing game this year, 100%. I see Joe putting up 3000 yards for around 18-22 TD’s this year. With our O-Line now, there is no excuse for him to not have enough time to find someone other then Mason. I mean, Rufflesburger was making broken plays look incredible with that shitty line.

5. Thank you. I do like the AFC North style that we run, but we need to throw these teams off guard sometimes man. You can only score so much when LeRon is moving it 3-4 yards and Mason is catching a 8 yard pass and running out of bounds. There needs to be some 20-30 yard plays that just get us rolling.

6. I agree here. I see this offense exploding at times this year. With LeRon moving back to FB, that will allow for Willis and my man Ray Rice step up. I think Rice could be a great piece of the passing game. It would throw defenses off if we hit him for the screen pass and he takes it for a few yards. Then from there, BOOM! Hit them to Clayton, D-Will or whoever to strike where it hurts.

This coming season is going to be the best offense that this team has seen in its 14 year history. I think we do have guys on this team that compliment each other, but at times it is not scary enough against Pitt and others. Last year, our offense was more intimidated by Pitt’s defense then they were of our offense. We do not beat Tenn if we don’t get those turnovers and Chris Johnson doesn’t get hurt. I thought that Tenn’s defense looked shaky at many points last year and the 11th ranked scoring team in the league (Ravens) can only put 13 up? We MUST capitalize on our red zone chances more. It is pathetic when we drive 75+ yards down the field only to get 3 points.

Thanks for not lashing out like some might/have at my points.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 28, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2. It's not about the quality of Pitt's CB's.

If they continue to get pressure on Flacco, the DB’s wil look good. If we protect Flacco well, we pick them, and anyone for that matter, apart. No pas rush is part of what doomed our reserve CB’s in 2007, and what also helped make Washington and others look good in 2008.

Bruce Raffel

by Bruce Raffel on May 28, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This will be the story of next season. With Oher at right tackle, it should be easier to protect Flacco. I’m also hearing that Flacco is looking sharp in team activities. He should be able to see the openings better next season.

On the other side, I think that teams are going to have a very hard time throwing against us next season. Our pass rush was already amazing. Now that we have corners that can actually stick their man, I’m sure that we’ll be racking up the coverage sacks and interceptions. That’s scary for our opponents because we already led the league in interceptions last season.

by BAL_Hawk on May 28, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So correct, Drew

The Ravens front seven wil be tough and physical. The back four will be suer fast on the corners and the safeties hard hitting. The combination will be devastating to the rest of the league. Might be the best defense we’ve ever had!

Bruce Raffel

by Bruce Raffel on May 29, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ever?

Not sure if we will top 2000 and 2006. Possibly 2006. Those were some fun years.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 29, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pitt remedies

you can’t storm the same castle three times in a row by pounding on the front door. the first time they were almost caught off guard. the second time they threw fire on mcgahee. the third time they dumped hot oil on flacco and then put mcgahee in the iron maiden.

by raven on May 29, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like D- Williams when he’s healthy. he has attitude and he seems to want the ball. he can go get it withthe good ones but man he needs to get healthy already.

by raven on May 28, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on May 28, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we have more fun and success than 75% of the league almost every year. there’s a positive note….and our O struggles like a 4 cylinder in the Rockies. best of all we win most of our home games and the weather is sunny and warm until December and we never really have rain games. we expect to win every game and we don’t show up just to see a visiting star like cleveland and cincy sheepishly do when Ray arrives. so let our #5 universal receivers run rampant again this year as we battle to the last minute balanced on the edge of our seats. it wouldn’t be nearly as fun with star receivers ending games in the 3rd quarter as our D goes to that crazy level when they have a 7 point lead.

by raven on May 29, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like to call it

as we battle to the last minute balanced on the edge of our seats

the “Cardiac Jack” game plan

by adh on May 29, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thats us….we even managed that tactic against cleveland. i’m glad they got away from winslow. dude was scary when used properly.

by raven on May 29, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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