Trades Upset the Balance of the League
by Rexx on Apr 4, 2009 10:00 AM EDT
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Those fans of the Denver Broncos who believe that the additional draft picks along with former Bears QB Kyle Orton is enough to put them immediately back in contention are greatly mistaken in my humble opinion. Although most have said that the Chicago Bears gave up way too much for Jay Cutler, it is the Bears that definitely got the better of the deal by far, at least for now. Until the Denver draft picks pan out, we won't know the true value of the trade. However, we do know that as serviceable as Orton is, he is not Jay Cutler by any means.
There are only a handful of top franchise caliber QB's in the league and while Cutler may not be in the top five (P. Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees, Warner), he is most definitely in the top ten (Cutler, E. Manning, Rivers, Romo, McNabb). Denver's defense abandoned them when they needed it most, down the stretch in the 2008 season. They're hoping free agency and the draft will alleviate that issue a bit, but now know they won't be flinging the ball all over the place for 400+ yards and will not be outscoring opponents any time soon.
That puts the San Diego Chargers way out in front of the pack in the AFC West, and they should be as close to a lock as any team in the league to win their division title again in 2009. That certainly throws off the balance in the AFC, much less the entire league. All of a sudden, overnight, the Broncos got worse and the Bears greatly improved. Chicago should definitely be a frontrunner for the NFC North title and all the opponents of both the Broncos and Bears have different thoughts since the trade. That will alter the playoff possibilities and make it more than a chance that the Wild Card will not be coming from the AFC West, but certainly one can now come from the NFC North.
See what I mean? Wondering how this will affect our Ravens? Well, it will all start with the NFL Draft later this month. Read yesterday's post to see my opinion on what it will do to the receiving class of the draft. What about the rest of the draft? What are your comments on the altering state of the entire league due to one of the biggest rades in recent NFL history?
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I'm not sold on Cutler
being a top franchise QB yet. I’ve seen him act kind of dumbfounded on the sideline when something goes wrong. Top QB’s are just chomping at the bit to get back on the field and he just looks lost. McDaniels may be smarter than we think and I think Denver comes out the winner in the long, and maybe even the short run. Check out these guys take on the deal.
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2708_A_team_in_need_of_a_statistical_stimulus_plan.html
by Monkey C on Apr 4, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Comparing anyone to the 2007 NE Patriots
is ridiculous, as there was only one team like that. The Broncos moved the ball up and down the field, mainly on the arm of Cutler, who threw for over 400 yards a couple of times, who else did that? The reason for the poor record was defense not offense. Put that offense even in Baltimore and we’re Super Bowl Champs last year (sorry, Flacco fans, including me).
I have no doubt McDaniels will use those picks wisely and Denver will return to prominence. But not next year, while Chicago will definitely contend. In the NFL, it’s all about now.
Rexx
by Rexx on Apr 4, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not looking Pats
Looking at scoring offense. Yards don’t mean points. QB’s have to put up points. Cutlers offense managed 16th (23.1) in scoring. Middle of the pack. Our offense ranked 11th (24.1). Take out the first few anemic offensinve games and the Ravens O was far better (with Flacco) than the Cutler crew. So their O would not have gotten us to the promised land. I know our D gives us more chances but until I see Cutler put up the points I am not on board. Cutler had great offensive talent around him and he still didn’t score. Different story in Shy town. He’ll have more of a challenge there. I had Cutler as the top QB in that draft (absolute best arm) but he has not developed into a top field general yet.
by Monkey C on Apr 4, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best thing that this trade does for the Ravens...
…is it screws the Browns. The Browns were hoping and praying that they could trade one of their lousy quarterbacks for picks to the Broncos. They didn’t even necessarily want Cutler. They just wanted to unload their problem… in a two-way or three-way trade.
That plan has become a pipe dream and the Clowns are going to be stuck in the same boat that they were in last season.
by BAL_Hawk on Apr 4, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that is great
although I thought the best trade would have been Cutler to Browns for Quinn and first rounder. Quinn is better suited to help Denver right away plus the 5th pick in the draft would have been huge for Denver as well.
On a second note, I thought of this blockbuster deal between Cleveland and Denver: Quinn, Shaun Rodgers and the Browns first pick for Cutler and Denver’s first pick.
Rexx
by Rexx on Apr 4, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No question
that this trade sends ripples throughout the league. But no way that this trade is better for the Bears organization than the Broncos. Granted, you have to be able to make the picks worthwhile, but give Ozzie 2 exta first rounders and a third – the Ravens would be scarey good.
Trades have to be viewed for the long term impact and a one-sided trade of this magnitude could alter the Bronco’s next decade IMO.
It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.
by Allroof on Apr 4, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but give Ozzie 2 exta first rounders and a third – the Ravens would be scarey good.
Not if we gave up Flacco to get them….
by DT711 on Apr 4, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't agree
The Bears get the QB they’ve needed for years and it IMMEDITELY makes them the favorite in the NFC North and based on the level playing field in the NFC, they are also a contender for the Super Bowl with Cutler and their defense. On the other hand, Denver will watch from their sofa while the Chargers win the AFC West and they certainly won’t compete for the Wild Card either, for years, IMO.
Rexx
by Rexx on Apr 4, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree with Rexx
Cutler has gone from up and coming young QB to TURD in the span of a couple of months. He now most reminds of Jeff (Boy) George. Million dollar arm and 10 cent head. The Bears mortgaged the future for him and I would not have traded Flacco to Denver for Cutler and their 1st round pick.
The real results won’t be determined for a couple of years. If Denver comes up with two solid players out of the 3 picks they got and one All-Pro then the trade worked for them. Kyle Orton is not a scrub. He was stuck with a terrible offensive system and no wide receivers. I suspect his numbers in Denver will be better than in Chicago, but not quite as good as Cutler in Denver. You can win with a good QB in the NFL. But there is more to being a QB than a great arm. Ask Kyle Boller. Cutler is lacking “IT.” I’m not sure what it is, but I am pretty sure he doesn’t have it. His leadership qualities are lacking which is why I compared him to Jeff George.
It will be interesting to watch over the next couple of years. Lets see how long it takes before Bus Cook and Jay Crybaby are asking for a contract extension worth 100 million dollars. Lets see how long it takes before he starts throwing his teammates under the bus and acting like a fool which is what he has been doing for the last couple of months. I would have treated this guy like nuclear waste but the Bears swallowed and said we want more. Good luck to them. I just don’t think it is going to work.
by ppdoc on Apr 4, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
However,
Just like the Ravens in 2000, the Bears defense, while not anywhere as good, can get it done if they get a decent lead. Cutler gives them the chnce they haven’t had like that in years. Orton and Grossman never did!
Rexx
by Rexx on Apr 5, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the hell did the 2000 Ravens get a decent lead?
4 straight games without a TD and we still win the superbowl. No defense in the history of the games has actually WON games by themselves multiple times.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Apr 5, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think it was five straight
and we won two of them!
Rexx
by Rexx on Apr 6, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember reading something a while back
That said some guy sat on his roof during that time until we scored a TD. Not to sure how true it is, but can you imagine being up there for 5 weeks, seeing Stover kick all them field goals and us winning games 9-6, 15-0 and losing games 9-13, 6-10.
Hell, can you imagine how good he felt once Dilfer finally put one in with my boy Stokley?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Apr 6, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that
then the guy was on TV and the police saw him and he was wanted for sometnhing like not paying child support or something else!
Rexx
by Rexx on Apr 6, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about the crazy Clipper fan
I live in LA, and a few years back the Clippers were on a bad losing streak, and at around 10 games, a guy went up on the roof of a 20-something floor building and said im not coming down til they win a game. He was up there for around 2 weeks, i think the Clippers finally won game 22 or something like that. It was pretty sad/funny!
by Rayisyourdaddy on Apr 8, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, at least it was in LA
Pretty sweet there compared to stanky B-More, and this is coming from someone who lives in B-More!
Rexx
by Rexx on Apr 9, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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