NFL Draft - Day 2: Ravens Open Thread
by Rexx on Apr 26, 2009 9:20 AM EDT
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Well, Day 1 of the 2009 NFL Draft has come and gone, with the obvious being that with all the Mock Drafts by all the experts, no one came even close to expecting the results that we saw, with all the trades and surprising picks, especially the Ravens selections.
However, the more you think about it, the more it begins to make sense. Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome knows the strength of a team comes from its core, and he saw weaknesses on both sides of the ball. Those weaknesses are now definite strengths going into the 2009 season.
The disappointment of the casual fan, and we all were grouped in there for a while esterday before it began to sink in to the loyal, knowledgeable readers of the Beatdown, was that this is still going to be a great draft for Baltimore.
The TV experts are probably going to give us an average grade, as we passed over a bunch of big name players to grab the guys we did, and neglected to get a wideout with our first pick. However, as I said in one of yesterday's post, this team was one game away from the Super Bowl, so we must be close with what we have, and with Derrick Mason, Mark Clayton and Todd Heap, we have a pretty decent set of starting receivers for Joe Flacco to throw to. In addition, we should have a healthy Demetrius Williams back to stretch the field, and have promising second year guys such as Marcus Smith and Justin Harper just waiting for their chance to prove that we didn't need a big name receiver.
Day 2 of the draft is where Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome shines anyway. This is where he will find the next great Ravens Pro Bowler. The pick will be coming fast and furious starting at 10am, in just a little bit from the tie of this post. The Ravens currently only have three picks in the remaining five rounds. The Ravens still have the 24rd pick of round 3, the 23rd in round 4 and the 25th pick in round 6. They traded the other two picks, one last season and the other to move up in the first round yesterday. However, don't put it past Ozzie to make a trade to garner another one or two.
Use this post as the Open Thread and let's get it going!
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Shonn Greene (iowa) is still available. AFC North style back. Could compliment Ray Rice in the future. In this division you never have enough RB’s. This guy is known for breaking tackles and can block.
I thin 3 RB's is enough
and we can bring in a couple of undrafted ones as well. But to use one of our three remaining picks on a RB is sort of whacked. We will also bring in an undrafted FB.
Rexx
Wouldn't you love it if...
…we hit the jackpot by trading this year’s 3rd, Todd Heap and next year’s 2nd for Anquan Boldin after all. Then we could nab a TE in the 4th round (Ingram?) and be set for a true Super Bowl run in ’09.
Just keep the game out of London!
Rexx
The Bills had the best first round
They got a great DE/LB, Aaron Maybin, a solid center, (Wood), an solid CB, (Byrd) and the best guard in the draft (Levitre).
At the same time, the Browns, after all the trades they made, didn’t impress me at all, with just Robiskie looking like a good pick.
Rexx
Hate to say it, but...
…the Bengals have put together a pretty decent draft. They got a tough OT (Andre’ Smith) in the first, a soon to be great MLB in the 2nd (Maualuga) and now a good DE in the third. Hopefully,they’ll have off the field probglems and still suck.
Rexx
Would be a great pick for future.
also so would Nelson and Ingram. I also think the Terp TE, Gronkowski, is under rated.
Rexx
I also like James Casey from Rice.
He’s the prime example of a Ravens player. Casey is a TE who return to college after playing pro baseball.
I'm hoping that Mike Mickens, Victor Harris or D.J. Moore fall to us.
I know that we currently have a good situation at corner, but we would be getting great value in the third round. I’d like to see another corner that we could groom for the future.
All three are decent CB's, but...
….with only three picks left in this draft (unless we trade back to get more), there is a very slight chance we go CB with any of them. We need a WR, and a PK, but could also draft a TE, C, or LB, although Ozzie is all about BPA.
Rexx
The Ravens safety, Haruki Nakamura
wold love us to take Mickens, as they played together at Cincinnati U.
Rexx
Moore
if DJ Moore is there I say we take him or maybe a TE like Nelson or Ingram
Moore's more of a zone corner.
I love his talent and value, but I’d take Mickens and Harris before Moore. They’re man cover guys. Harris seems like the “mighty-man” type that Harbaugh likes.
Once again though
with the CB’s we have now, I can’t believe we go CB with one of the three remaining picks.
Me thinks we go TE, PK and LB, but could see Oz taking CB if he is on their board as BPA.
Rexx
Way too god damn early to have this draft start
Getting home stumbling at 3 am is bad.
Did we get DHB yet?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Giants actually traeded up
w/ Philly for this pick of Barden.
This is NOT a poor draft. Trust the Wizard!
Rexx
I know, but a bunch of guys i really wanted are gone
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
It's not so bad.
I’m one of the few who’s now really worried about our WR situation. Yes, I believe that it’s a need, but we can get by with our current receivers. I hope that Clayton will step up even more next season. He had a great year.
If we take a god damn OT or DT here im gonna be upset
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I will take Iglesis here
Just give me so weapons! PLEASE!
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Man, I wish they would've taken Jared Cook.
I can’t believe he fell that far. The Ravens brought Ladarius Webb in for a personal workout so I guess they like what they saw.
Ozzie certainly has a different draft board
than everyone else, and in a year or three, we will see if he is a Wizard or a Warlock.
Up to now, he’s been the Wizard.
Rexx
Im getting upset
So when Heap, Dwill and Willis get hurt again. We just gonna do the same shit over again?!?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Do you mean...
…go to the AFC Championship Gam again? and maybe even win it this time? works for me, MaLoR. This shows the gap between what Ozzie and company know and good fans like us who think we know a lot,…but have no idea how deep their knowledge goes compared to us.
Rexx
Sorry
I just want to see Joe explode in the passing game. And he is most likely not going to throw 25+ touchdowns with our WR
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I don't know...
With Oher, teams are going to commit to the run, and Joe will be able to make them pay. We will run the ball next season… with authority!
I love Oher and Kruger alot
I just wanted Barden real badly. Have wanted him for the last 3 months. Im just being cranky. 1145 am is too early
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Why the hell not?
Another year of experience in Cam’s system, better development of Clayton and a healthy D. Will, plus a more productive Heap? Maybe not 30+ TD passes but 20+ is a definite possibility and I’ll go on a line and say 20 easily. With a better o-line, more time = TD passes and better run game w/ a more involved Ray Rice as well.
Wanna retract that statement?
Rexx
Something tells me
Oz could have waited ntil later to take this guy, but the team has such knowledge of players around this country that we’ve never heard of. Who heard of Adalius, or guys like that?
Rexx
I totally agree.
As fans, we think that we have an idea about our needs… but we don’t. Who would have actually thought that our offensive line would be a strength this time last year? Ozzie knows what we really NEED and where the teams is goes.
I’m still reading about Webb.
I heard that he was a 1st round prospect in 2008....
If he would’ve came out. Nice pick by ozzie. Also, Isn’t D.J. Moore still on the board? Surprise we didn’t take tim, but Webb is a bigger guy at 6’0 205.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think we are going to go the rest of the draft
OLB, ILB, K,
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Yeah
Traded siwth rounder to move up in first.
by B-MoreFanatic on Apr 26, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
He should have worked Moore out?
by B-MoreFanatic on Apr 26, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Kiper
Is just a Ravens fan trying to find Webbs upside, haha.
by B-MoreFanatic on Apr 26, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Jared Cook gets drafted by Ten right after the Ravens drafted Webb.
Ugh. By the way, Mel Kiper compared Webb to Bob Sanders while Jaws compared Jared Cook to Shannon Sharpe. Who would you rather have?
Unrelated
But the times on the posts are not east coast times, Can i fix that?
Click on your profile
And choose edit settings at the top right. Then make it eastern time if thats where u are
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I agree
He is going to bring fear to the Lions. Lol
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I going to be selected last
And then they’re going to trade DOWN! hahaha.
by B-MoreFanatic on Apr 26, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Bengals draft is amazing
all 4 players they got are nasty
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Hate to say yes,
but I like the Bills four picks and even the Vikings forst two (Percy Harvin to go with AP) and huge OT Phil Loadholt.
Rexx
Yea, I like their draft
Giants got 2 of my favorite players though
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Nicks??????
How didnt we pic him up i dnt understand it… but hey i guess Ozzi knows wat he is doing
Everyone knows how I feel about Nicks
but at least he’s in the NFC North, and the Giants also took Ramses Barden as well.
Rexx
Tight ends are flying off the board now.
Perhaps we’ll have a chance to grab Ingram or wait until the sixth for Gronks from MD. Know you’ll like that, you blind love Turtle!
Rexx
Gano from FSU?
or the USC guy.
Oz will take some guy from a small school that can boot it 70 yards that no one ever heard of, and he will go on to be an All Pro.
Rexx
Heard he was a LB in high school.
Ravens punter Koch is a beast. They could make sure no one breaks a long one against us.
Rexx
Oh yeah.
That was David Buehler. We could run a fake FG every time with Buehler and Koch back there! Toughest kickers in the league!
Yea let start dreaming about taking another kicker
He is going to help Flacco
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The Ravens have a better track record in the fourth round.
This may be good for us if we go WR in the fourth. Just trying to be optimistic, Malor.
Only two more picks.
I say trade out of the fourth and get a fifth and seventh, giving us three more and probably Oz will still get those guys we never heard of high on his board.
Rexx
Me too. Jarrett Dillard, Quan Cosby, Louis Murphy,....
Jeremy Childs, Taurus Johnson, James Casey, Shawn Nelson, or Cornelius Ingram would work for me with the 4th pick.
Four picks until Ravens on the clock
then a long, long break until we pick again in the 6th round (our final pick).
Rexx
Dallas seems to taking a bunch of local kids from the Texas area
think J Jones is putting his heavy handed two cents in? Thank god for Bisciotti!
Rexx
One less TE now
However, Ingram just sitting there waiting for us.
Something tells me Oz has a different thought.
Rexx
We are not going for TE
Please forget it
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We're up...
…and the pick is….
….watch, here comes another no-namer that Ozzie found deep in his War Room…
…traded to the Pats!
See, I finally called something right!
Rexx
I prefer a player
Maybe like we trade for fabian last year…
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by JORGE NITALES on Apr 26, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The Patriots just traded...
Ellis Hobbes to the Eagles for two fifth round picks. Maybe we get some of those picks in the trade.
What was our deal?
NFL.com is being slow to update it
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I don't know all of the details...
but we now have the first pick in the 5th round. I’m sure that we received more than that though.
I really want a player..
They have a lot WR.
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Looks like we traded to the Pats
our 4th and 7th for the Pats two fifth round picks, #1 and #5. Great trade for two high picks, w/ Ozzie probably getting what he wantede and he still may use one and trade the other for a 6th and 7th.
Rexx
What do you mean?
This was a great trade. The guy Oz wants will still be there with the first pick in the 5th and then we get the #5 pick in the fifth for our 7th? Great move. Probably got our 5th rounder back that we traded w/ NE to move up in the first after all! Pretty funny, eh?
Rexx
The 5th rounders we got
Origionally belonged to Detroit and Seattle, That’s why they’re so high.
by B-MoreFanatic on Apr 26, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree.
I was just referring to the fact that we will be done after the fifth round. I already stated that I love the trade…
I think Bill Cosby is like 73 or something close....
I want to have those guns when I’m old.
Oher arrives in Baltimore
Check out the story on the front page. He will have a press conference in 5 minutes on BaltimoreRavens.com
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
BaltimoreRavens.com is so far behind,
time-wise, as they didn’t even post the trade in the 45th round, as I got it off of NFL.com.
Rexx
New Ravens pick coming up shortly...
….now who do you think we’ll take this time? TE (Ingram?), center (?), LB (Brinkley?), Kicker (Gano? too soon).
Rexx
Inside Line Backer
Just because I want Ingrum, I wont get it
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I think we are good at TE
I think is cear howour passing game will be next year. We have now a great OL, we dont need TE (HEAP) to block, and we bring LJ Smith (a passing TE).
So with Clayton continue his improve, D Williams staying on the field and 2 TE in passing game
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and the pick is...
…and I promise it is whomever Ozzie wanted in the 4th round anyway…
…Jason Phillips, ILB, TCU
Very solid pick!
Rexx
Now what will we do with our final pick coming up in three slots?
Unless we trade, which I would think is a good move (for a sixth and seventh) we could go TE, kicker, or dare I say…..wideout?
Rexx
Well I said earlier we would go
OLB, ILB, K.
Well we only got 1 more pick, and I got 1 of these right. Next is OLB, another position we have absolutely no need for.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I think is clear we dont want TE
There were 2 good ones on the board and Ozzy didnt pick them
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Solid Pick on Lardarius Webb
I knew Ozzie was going to do something different and here, he picks up a dual-threat playmaker, who’s going to help us a lot on special teams and defense
The guy may be undersized, but he can grow some muscle on that frame. I heard this guy is a great playmaker who will steal footballs and return them to the house.
I think our special team just got a whole lot better with this pick.
by In Ravens We stand on Apr 26, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions
Doesnt matter
We are going to take another LB and not use him
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
We get a guy who is on crutches right now
Philips is going to spread the offense around for sure
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I like the pick.
I really do. He sounds like a really smart, fast LB. He posted one of the fasted 40 times for a LB at the combine.
Ozzie does his homework
and blows me away with the depth of his War Room’s knowledge. I support whatever he’s doing. If we end up trading for Boldin, can you say he’s the best at this – EVER?
Rexx
What we gonna give up for Boldin?
A crab cake sandwich from hard rock cafe?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
With or without the trade...
He’s still one of the best. You can definitely see the type of guy they’re looking for. All these guys are try-hard and hard-nosed.
I'd like to see us trade down in the 5th
get another 5th and a 7th. Take Ingram or another TE and then go for the kicker in the last round.
Rexx
My guess is
Jasper Brinkley LB
Duke Roberson OT
Chris Clemons Safety
Doing it just for Joe
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Now that we've drafted
another CB and a LB, I don’t see us drafting another with our last pick(s). Either another lineman (center?) or the kicker we need, which is so underrated if you get a great rookie PK.
Rexx
So excited to get someone who gets 3 points
Instead of 6
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WOWWWWWWW
There goes Johnny Knox
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Im done
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
We trade
Jesus
Ive never pulled so much hair out
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Baltimore's on the clock
Is this our last pick in the 2009 Draft, or will we trade back for two more picks?
And the answer is…we traded w/ Denver! For what?
Rexx
Mr. Malor Calm Down... and get sobered up
It seems a lot of teams are picking off a lot of good players before us.
by In Ravens We stand on Apr 26, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
I cant help it
Been waiting so long for this day and things are going the way I did not expect them.
Smoke break
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Broncos look to have
another pick in the 5th (#13), one in the 6th (#12) and two in the 7th. If we get two picks, that would be great.
Rexx
Trade w/ Broncos
another great Ozzie move:
- of the 5th round and #12 of the 6th.
Both for the 5th pick of the 5th. Great moves, two more picks and another reason to keep watching.
Ozzie is a Wizard!
Rexx
Wow, my keys aren't working right
- of the 5th
and #12 of the 6th
it types right, but let’s see if it posts correct.
Rexx
There you go...
That’s right. The point is that Ozzie gained a sixth round pick by moving down seven spots.
I hate to say it...
But we may not draft another offensive player in this draft… unless it’s a kicker.
It's just funny...
how much Ozzie loves defensive players. Most people would have had us going predominately offense in this draft. We have only selected one offensive player… and it was an offensive lineman. It’s just funny.
I just want Ingrum
Give me him, and I will be very happy. Or Quan Cosby. Just someone who scores TD’s please
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Brinkley is a banger
but wiith Phillips already picked, I doubt we’ll go LB.
I’d like a TE as well, but wouldn’t be surprised if we go center and kicker with last two.
We’re coming up in two picks and once again, I promise it will be who Ozzie wanted in the 4th!
Rexx
You are right
Ozzie is gonna get 4th round talent in the 6th. He is a smarty pants
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Take Ingramor Brinkley
then trade sixth pick for later sixth pick and a seventh to take the other and a kicker.
Rexx
espn
espn says there’s a WR from Marshall with the last name “Passmore”, I say we take him, b/c of his great name
Yawns!
We take a tight end named Davon Drew, but not Jared Cook. This leaves a lot to be desired.
Now we either trade
our 12th pick in the sixth for two more or take a kicker and call it a day.
Remember, you just can’t judge the draft by itself to see if we improved our team. You absolutely have to include free agency and combined w/ the draft, we did aces this off season.
Rexx
My computer is so f---ing slow
don’t know if it’s the cdomputer or Comcast or my wireless connection, but it is SO frustrating, as IU aqlready slammed and broke my main laptop and now am working off of a 8.9" netbook from Acer, which is pretty cool and small but real slowwwww…..
Rexx
He's a big kid... 6'4" and 256 lbs.
There’s really nothing on him around the internet, but I’m sure that Ozzie did his homework.
No
Just glad we got a pass catcher. Ingrum is coming off a huge knee injury
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I just thought he was a very athletic player
But im liking drew
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
This is a quote from Oher's interview
“As long as I got guys like Ray Lewis behind me, I’m ready to go to war.”
Love that
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East Carolina U.
is not such a small school, as they produced Jags QB David Garrard and also the RB, Chris Johnson of the Titans, right?
Rexx
Oher said he is getting Crabcakes tonight for dinner
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I'll say it agian
the more you look deeper into Ozzie’s thought process the more you come away impress at his “wizardry.” He may not have taken a WR, but look at our lack of success doing that in the draft. So we may make a trade or look into free agency after the 2009 season. We could wasily be fine in the WR department this year if our TE and running game continue to improve and our o-line gives Flacco more time to find his guys.
Plus, we still have at least one more pick in the draft left.
Rexx
I Nearly cried watching the Michael Oher story on ESPN
Unbelievable person
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The Ravens draft...
#23 OT Michael Oher from Mississippi. 6’5" 309 lbs.
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#57 DE Paul Kruger from Utah. 6’4" 263 lbs.
#88 CB Lardarius Webb from Nicholls State. 5’10" 179 lbs.
#137 LB Jason Phillips from TCU. 6’1" 239 lbs.
#149 TE Davon Drew From East Carolina. 6’4" 256 lbs.
Ravens will be getting a class kid
Can’t wait for Training Camp!
Oh yeah, one more pick in the draft. Trent Dilfer doesn’t think we’ll be as dominant of a defense as we were. Screw him, bitter loser!
Rexx
This guy is going to insane
Couple things I thought was incredible from the ESPN Story.
- At 7 years old, he had to find his own food.
- Didn’t receive his first bed to sleep on till he was 16 years old.
- First time someone said “I Love You” Oher was 18 years old
- When they finally found his birth certificate, Oher was celebrating the wrong birthday and going by the wrong name.
What a person.
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Yeah, now we need to decide
whether Hauschka is the guy or do they want to grab Gano from FSU with the sixth rounder or trade back for more picks and hope they can find a decent kicker after the draft to compete w/ Steve.
Rexx
Who's next?
So far we have gotten extremely solid and productive players. I’m content. Who are we going to get in the 6th round?
Haha...
Lardarius Webb is going to be a beast. Only player in college history to be a the conference player of the week on Offense, Defense, and Special Teams. We will probably take some unknown again though
Wow
I swear to god! I was going to type here that we take the RB from VA but forgot to
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Well, he did have one of the fastest 40 times among RBs.
I’m not surprise. Overall, a great draft by the Ravens, but I’m still saying they should’ve drafted Jared Cook over Lardarius Webb.
Im still saying we should have drafted alot of guys over others
But what does my opinion mean?
In Oz we trust………w/e
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Scouts are comparing Peerman to Willie Parker...
I can live with a 3rd RB with some skills. Look at the Giants with their 3-headed monster. Plus there’s never a guarantee with McGahee.
Actually that was our last pick.
Looks like we got some solid choices on the 2nd day.
by In Ravens We stand on Apr 26, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Cedric Peerman?
Looks like we found our insurance policy for Mcgahee.
by In Ravens We stand on Apr 26, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions
When/if McGahee gets hurt
and if we let him go after this season. We can stick Peerman on our Practice Squad and hope the Browns don’t take him.
However, now we have to hope Gano or the kicker we have our eyes on is still undrafted.
Rexx
Ravens 2009 Draft is over
If you all want to stay on to debate the rest of the sixth and seventh, go for it. I’m pretty much done but will stick my head back in frm time to time the rest of the way. To everyone who took part, thanks so much and now let the debating and analyzing begin.
Rexx
We got stronger and positions that were never weak
Ans even weaker at the weak positions. C+ draft for Ozzie. Im sorry
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I hope the Ravens invite Tony Carter to camp as an undrafted free agent.
He is a pretty good CB but short and small. I thought he played well at FSU. Hopefully this happens.
Jeremy Childs WR, Aaron Kelly WR, and Greg Carr WR are a few players that might go undrafted that I think the Ravens should sign.
B +
Our line is great…
D line is also good, and I think Kruger could become a great player here
THE cb in the 3rdis intriging… I think he will return ko, and CARR punts..
Phylips will battle with Burguess to be Ray and Gooden backup, and who knows, maybe someday Ray´s sucesor
I dont like a lot the TE pick, and running back could contribute if one of our 3 gets injure
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I really like Oher pick
Kruger is a good player, but Micheal Jonhson was still available, also wasJarron Gilbert..
The 2nd day picks were ok, I specially like the CB in the 3rd and LB.. But I wasexpecting some steal like last year T Googen (third ranked MLB, in the 3rd) or Tom Zbikobsky..
I didnt like the TE pick and the RB…
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A- draft
I just posted a diary that describes Ozzie’s trading historics, it was just stunning.
Oher was perhaps the steal of the draft in terms of perceived value.
Like the Kruger pick. Love the Phillips pick. I’m a little lukewarm on the Lardarius Webb, Davon Drew and Cedric Peerman picks, but there is a lot to like about those players as well.
Only major thing is not improving our WR corps. That unit has to step up for us.
We do have a huge WR Corp
I know last draft, we drafted a bunch of WRs. I hope one of them steps up into that deep threat we want.
by In Ravens We stand on Apr 26, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
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