Anquan Boldin
by ppdoc on Apr 17, 2009 12:00 AM EDT
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PrintArticle in the Sun that Ozzie is talking to the Cards about Boldin. The price is a 1st and a third. My feeling is to do it, do it now, and don't look back. Boldin is in the prime of his career. DHB will be gone by #26 and there is no receiver in the draft short of Crabtree that we can authoritatively say will be as good as Boldin is right now.
Is the price high? Yes. Is it worth it. Absolutely. Boldin in our offense automatically makes us a top 2 or 3 contender in the AFC and we were only 4 minutes from the SB last year. Which Squealer CB can cover Boldin for the whole game. and if Polomalu has to give help over the top, how are they going to stop Heap and the running game.
Ray is getting no younger. This move gives us a two year window to win a SB before the lockout. Boldin is better than anyone we could draft. Pick up another CB in the second round and don't look back.
Get em' Ozzie. Get em' now.
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Agree
The deal would only leave us with 4 picks, but I feel we have done enough in the off-season to keep this team strong. Boldin is way above any guy we could get in the draft. And with our 2nd and 4th round picks, there is no reason we cannot get another big time WR or another guy.
I say do the deal right now! Make it happen Ozzie. Do not be afraid to pull the trigger.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Not convinced
that he is the difference between the Super BOwl or not. He will demand a new contract which will make it difficult to keep our nucleus intact, cap-wise. A young kid like Nicks or yes, DHB would become the next star on this team and cost a fraction of what Boldin would, especially considering this will be a guy who gets his hands on the ball 6-8 times a game, if we’re lucky.
As good as he is, something tells me Kurt Warner would make Mark Clayton look like an All Pro if he was in Arizona.
Rexx
disagree
sorry Rexx, boldin caught 105 passes in 2005 before Warner got there from miscreants like Luke McCown. He is the real deal. And a young kid like Nicks or DHB might become the next star and might be a flame out. Ask Eric Decosta about drafting non-Senior WR in the first round. the hit rate is surprisingly LOW. Boldin is a known commodity and while he may only catch 8 balls a game, his YAC is one of the highest in the league. he is a beast over the middle and breaks tackles.
Kurt Warner does not want to lose Boldin. Larry Fitzgerald is great, but Boldin makes him even better. And remember Boldin was successful BEFORE Fitzgerald got there.
NFW
Warner does not make Clayton an All Pro. Warner’s sucess is because of the 2 WR he has. Boldin was putting up those insane numbers with Jake Plummer at QB. I think it is the other way around. You give Joe Boldin and or Fitzgerald, and Joe is an All-Pro.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Ozzie never confirmed that he contacted the Cardinals.
Of course, he never denied it either, and that’s all those story-hungry reporters needed. The following is what Ozzie actually said when asked about Boldin:
With the draft coming up, I’ve had a chance to talk to eight different teams over the past 48 hours.
Now, I’m not totally against trading for Boldin, but we need to keep some things in perspective. (1) He is 28 years old. That isn’t old, but we would only be getting half of a career’s production from him. Trading for him now, especially if we pay full price, would stink of a “win-now” mentality. (2) Boldin does come with injury concerns. He’s tough as nails, but his physical style is hard on his body and may shorten his career. (3) There is alot of talent in this year’s WR class. If we give up a first round pick, it would be hard to miss one of those guys. There are a few receivers in this draft class that I think would make an immediate impact. (4) The price for Boldin may be too high. Even if we got him through a trade, he would still want a new deal. Ozzie already has Suggs to worry about resigning. It may be hard to find money for Boldin’s new contract.
All in all, I’m not sure that Boldin is a good fit with the Ravens. If we could get him very cheap (like a second round pick) and sign him to a reasonable deal, I would say absolutely. However, there are just too many problems with this deal. I just don’t see it happening. Ozzie loves his draft picks… for good reason. He will find the Ravens a stud WR in the draft. I’d bet on it.
disagree again
boldin will never go for a 2. if roy williams is two #1’s, boldin is worth at least a #1 and something else. i’ll say it again. the biggest crap shoot in the draft in round #1 is WR with QB a close second. A bird in the hand (even if he is 28) is worth two in the bush (even though I would love DHB). btw – DHB will be long gone before we draft. I just hope that if the boldin trade falls thru, we can draft Nicks who has the best hands in the draft. But if you gave me the choice, I would happily trade Nicks and a #3 for Anquan Boldin and not lose a minutes sleep.
i have to agree with ppdoc, we’re hoping that one of the WRs in the draft will become a #1. That will take a couple seasons if they reach that potential at all. Why wait when we could get Boldin who will fill that #1 WR hole immediately. We’re in a win now mode so I say go for it. I’d just try to replace the 3rd round pick with a player if possible.
Also isn’t the salary cap supposed to be gone in the near future. We may be able to resign Boldin and still keep the others.
My thoughts
I am good with a 1st and 3rd as it is basically like getting Boldin in the 1st rd and just giving up a third. I am not so cool with giving him a monster contract. Don’t we need to resign Suggs, and Ngata in the following year? Flacco will also be coming up for a new deal before we know it…
As ppdoc said, this would give us a 2-3 year window to win NOW. While I hate to mortage our future this does make some sense. We have a beast of a MLB who is coincidentally only going to be playing for 2-3 more years. Maybe we should try to make a run at a SB while he’s still the unquestioned leader of the team.
Boldin would fit in well with our offense. He is not a huge deep threat but he often breaks short catches into big gains. His presence would also help Clayton and other get down field, where Joe could show off his arm. He is nasty and physical and would give our O the swagger our D has had for years. If we get him, I think we need to be right up there with Pitt as SB front runners.
All in all, I am not sure we could even get him for our 1st and 3rd as many other teams are surely making a play for him. If we could, I’d be good with the trade, and I’m cool if we don’t make it… I got Oz’s back on this one.
Lets
take this to notice that anquan boldin and the ravens mess is just a rumor. In my opinon we don’t really need another wide reciever, we have great ones already give the ravens a break stop being so greedy, and see that anquan boldin will be do much money for the ravens to obtain. I think either justin harper, Marcus smith, or that demetrius willam will be the receiver that everbody wants, and besides what do the ravens have that would benefit the cardinals
How about this. Just a theory
Randy Moss and Terrell Owens were given to the Pats and Cowboys for mid-round draft picks. I mean Randy Moss was acquired for a 4th round pick!
Now, this does not seem ideal to most of the people on here, but why not give up a 3rd or 4th round pick for Chad OchoCinco? I know everyone here is all “no way blah blah blah, he talks too much and blah blah blah” but the man has the ability to be one of the most dangerous WR in the game.
If we could get Chad for a 3rd or 4th rounder, I would be all for it. I think this is the type of team he needs to be on and reunite with basically his brother, Ray Lewis.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
No to Ocho
guy is a fruit loop who is already in his early 30’s and on the downside of his career. we don’t need a head case like chad ocho stinko. sorry mr. malor, i have to strongly disagree with you on this one. besides – marvin will NEVER trade him to the Ravens.
Trading in the division
While in theory what youre saying makes sense Malor, there is a aversion in the NFL to trading in the division. If we were able to trade in the division, i think Braylon would be a better fit, even though he had a case of the dropsies last year.
On the other hand, the aversion to trading in the conference, which is an extension to the aversion in the division, might help us in acquiring Boldin. Our main competitors on the rumor mill are Philly and NYG, who are both in the NFC, and Jax and NYJ, who both are not contenders with QB problems. So although Phi can offer a higher 1st rounder than us, if Arizona would prefer to trade him out of the conference, it gives us a major edge.
Braylon woild cost half our draft
As Chad would cost no more then a 3rd round pick
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I would love to have chad
But we are in the same division so i really don’t see that happening. But ya never know…..
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Theres a reason for that
If Barylon would cost more is because he is better and younger
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by JORGE NITALES on Apr 17, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
But keeping those 3 picks that would be used in an Edwards trade
Would make us younger and better as well. Cleveland is asking for way too much here. They want 3 high picks for a player who has had one good season. You take away his 2007 season, he is worth a 2nd round pick at best.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
younger but not better
braylon has manos di piedras – hands of stone. he is not a better receiver overall than boldin. he is faster and can stretch the field better, but he does not like to go over the middle. can’t block for shit. and takes plays off if he isn’t involved.
Than can improve
With good coaches he can become a more secure receiver… I think is all about confidence and a good qb to grow with
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by JORGE NITALES on Apr 19, 2009 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be nice, but
a lot of great receivers who get lots more balls thrown their way, also drop more passes than most other receivers as well. So if Braylon makes 80 receptions for 1200 yards and 10 TD’s but is among the league leaders in drops, that makes him not good!?
Rexx
which great receivers?
Seriously Rexx? Which GREAT receivers are you referring to that “drop more passes than other receivers”?
It’s not that his drops necessarily make him BAD – but it is what prevents him from being GREAT.
Seriously?
I would put both Braylon Edwards and Terrell Owens, like them or not, near the top of the league. Both of them drop more passes than most other receivers, but they also catch balls that a lot of others don’t (Larry Fitzgerald excluded). While the jury is still out on the totality of Edwards career, it wouldn’t be a stretch to call TO “great.” So that’s my premise. Still have issues w/ it?
Rexx
Dropping passes is a great way to kill a drive and lose that oh-so-crucial momentum. There were plenty of examples of that exact thing last season from the two receivers you’re talking about, Rexx. Maybe you put them near the top of the league, but it screams to me that they’re overrated. Call me nuts, but I’d rather have a nice, reliable Mason-type receiver than have to wonder every time the ball goes up whether that’s the disappointing end of yet another drive.
Case in point, Mason was catching passes well into the post-season. How many of those dropped Owens passes would it have taken to get the Cowboys into the playoffs?
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
So, you'd turn down a Mason for TO trade?
At their respective primes, anyone would be crazy to turn this down. Even now, if TO didn’t have the issues, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Perhaps there’’s the “cancer” issue to dissuade you, but on the field, Mason is solid, but not a game changer like TO.
Rexx
I actually had a pretty lengthy reply typed up, but it really boils down to this: are you kidding me? Owens in his prime never won a Super Bowl. He did, however, leave in his wake a number of teams destroyed from within. As I recall, we were relatively close to being another of those teams. Can you even imagine the shit we’d have had to deal with if Owens had Boller throwing to him? Or does Owens magically make Boller a solid QB?
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Come on, Amp!
#1: I was excluding the “cancer” factor. #2, it takes 53 guys to win a Super Bowl, but he certainly was most of the reason the Eagles made it that year, and never was the reason any team he was on DIDN’T make the Super Bowl! Boller would have been a heck of a lot better w/ TO, and the good thing is that he wouldn’t have been any more frenetic in his actions with or without TO!
Rexx
no issues rexx
we just define “great” receivers differently. raymond berry is my definition of a great receiver. t.o. is a good receiver with great self promotion. but he couldn’t even sniff berry’s jock strap.
Different Era
Ray Berry is sort of like a slower white guy with great hands in today’s league. There are a bunch of them, most notably Wes Welker in NE, Brandon Stokely (where is he?), but neither of them are stars, while TO could not be compared to ANYONE back then. As a teammate, I totally agree w/ you, much less a good guy, but my argument was strictly on the field performance, and even Berry’s stats can’t compare to TO’s. Not to disparage Raymond, as he is one of my favorites of all time, but he DID have a pretty good QB getting him the ball, didn’t he?
Rexx
ocho cinco? are we really that desperate???
that you are wishing for chad ocho cinco? and think bringing one of the most megalomaniacal players in the nfl to baltimore is a good idea? i am guessing you wish t.o. had become a raven too. and you don’t buy into that silly “team first” philosophy either.
there is a reason chad would cost less than boldin – and why derrick mason will be the only one wearing ocho cinco in a ravens uniform next year.
I'd still rather have a six foot plus guy out there waiting....
….for Joe to throw him the ball. 85 is a real good WR, but to me, a younger, team-first guy would hook up better, chemistry-wise.
Sure Chad would be Ray’s friend and listen to him, but the guy he’ll need to follow is Joe, not Ray, and that could easily be an issue. Maybe a couple of years ago I might have felt differently, but not today.
Rexx
I would be happy with Chad in purple
Two of the best in the game. Has Chad done anything to REALLY hurt the Bengals like others have to their teams (T.O)? Nope. The man goes out there, makes plays, and has a lot of fun doing it. So what if he is displeased with Cinci and speaks out publicly about it. Wouldn’t you be upset if you were putting up pro bowl numbers every year and finishing at the bottom of your division?
Chad is not as bad as people make him out to be. He plays good football, and just has a lot of fun doing it. Did he ever lash out on Carson like T.O did with Homo? No. I do not blame Chad for anything he has done in Cinci. That team is a joke and he does everything he should be doing on Sundays to put his team in a position to win.
Chad in Purple would be a great fit IMO, only for the short-run.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Fortunately, you aren’t calling the shots. You ask if Chad Johnson has done anything to actually hurt the Bengals and come up with a resounding “nope.” I beg to differ. Look at the thread Rexx put up the other day about arrests over the past ten years; the Bengals are near the top of the list, and are actually infamous for their frequent arrests. You know why that is? A lack of Harbaugh’s vaunted discipline. Johnson’s constant whining and outbursts are just a symptom of that. Maybe he hasn’t done anything concrete to damage that organization, but his attitude most definitely isn’t helping them turn around. You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t want that cancer (as the media is wont to say) eating into what Harbaugh has been working to build. I’ll take a less flashy player that’s interested in building a competitive team (rather than being traded to one) any day of the week.
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So
You dont want someone who has never been arrested, has fun playing the game, and speaks out when he puts up 90 Rec, 1300 yards and 10 tds yet his team goes 4-12? I think there is nothing wrong with what Chad does. He asked for a trade, didnt get it, so he came right back to work. I do not think there is anything wrong with his character. Ray has fun playing the game, runs his mouth all the time, and we dont have a problem with it.
In no way was Chad responsible for Henry and all those dumbasses getting arrested. He is a very unique character that wants nothing but to win. Ampallang, sorry but I think you are totally wrong here. You really think that Chad would just stroll in here, start running his mouth and getting us in trouble? I dont think so. I think he would come here and be all business. have we really heard anything in the last season or so about Chad that we did in the past? Nope.
NFW he just comes in here and becomes a cancer to this team. It has been said over and over again, but Ray wont let that happen, not with someone who he considers family. Chad is a great football player and even a better person, in my very crazzzzzzzzzzzzzzy opinion (maybe just the holiday today it is) I see Chad only being a positive addition to this team, even though there is virtually no shot at it happening.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Just my opinion
Ive always been a Chad Johnson OchoCinco fan. Dont mean to say you guys are wrong. Im usually wrong more than im right, just expressing how I feel on the subject.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I never said that Chad Johnson was responsible for players getting arrested. My point was that his narcissism and immaturity contribute to a general tone that represents that club. It’s a tone that Harbaugh won’t tolerate, and rightly so. Maybe Chad Johnson gets 90 receptions, 1300 yards, and ten touchdowns with us, maybe he doesn’t. There’s no point in arguing it because Harbaugh will never go for that trade. You know why? Because we don’t need that bush league shit on our team that has the talent and discipline to make a run at the Super Bowl without him. Will Ray Ray keep him in line? I’m not convinced, but moreover, I don’t care. It’s a moot point.
This probably comes off a little more harshly than I really intended, but Harbaugh is instilling some discipline into a team that sorely needed it. I keep getting flashbacks of Bart Scott throwing the ref’s flag into the stands. One idiotic move like that could be the difference between us making the playoffs or sitting at home in January like the Bengals, especially considering how competitive the AFC North is, let alone the AFC in general. Ray Ray may be able to keep Chad Johnson’s outbursts off the cameras, but that doesn’t mean his childishness won’t be felt in the locker room. There is currently a lack of leadership on the offensive side of the ball, and that’s mostly what has me worried.
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Although he's not the guy for me,
something tells me that Harbaugh would welcome Chad w/ open arms.
Rexx
Yea MaLoR
You need to end this man crush you have on 85.
He is not the same player he was and in no way fits on this team with Harbaugh as a coach.
No use arguing but you know deep down its all about Chad to Chad. Always has been and I don’t see it changing now. 3 Years ago I would have put up with it but he is not a youngin’ any more.
I mean the man says he needs to get paid, but then he misses off season workouts and loses a quarter million due to it. Wheres the sense in that.
Hard to get over those golf teeth
and Blonde mohawks.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Philly probably out
…of the trade market for Boldin, being that they just gave up their 2nd 1st rounder(28) and a 4th rounder for Jason Peters. I think this makes it more likely that Philly will not want to give up the other 1st round pick. They might still try to make a move for Braylon or Chad Ocho if they can get it done with a 2nd or 3rd rounder though….
Great trade for Philly!
Peters is one of the top LT’s in the game and Philly just lost theirs. Buffalo needed Peters and should have paid him, as all great teams have a great LT protecting the QB. Bad move for Buffalo again (TO was the other).
Rexx
1st and 3rd for Boldin?
Are you kidding me? That is all the Cards are asking for? I thought were going to have to give up Suggs to get Boldin plus a 2nd rounder back. I agree with the argument that giving up a 1st and 3rd for a sure thing is, well, uh, a sure thing…
Like someone up above said, pull the trigger and go home happy.
Suggs? Are you serious
Boldin is no where on the level of Suggs when it comes to importance of a team. You can replace a Boldin, you cannot replace a Suggs.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Suggs...
I just remember way back that there were rumors of a Suggs for Boldin trade discussion that would have involved the Ravens getting some additional pick(s) back. I agree, but there is also a nagging feeling that Suggs would really like to play for the home team.
Would prefer to see a Willis plus a pick for Boldin… but cap rules may prevent that dream from occurring…
Totally agree
NFW I give Arizona Suggs for Boldin, unless they give us more in return. Suggs is a four down guy making a huge impact on every play. Boldin, gets coverage thrown his way, which affects the play, but is not in Suggs class, trade-wise.
Rexx
suggs for boldin ... what if?
suggs for boldin + what?
would you do the deal if we got boldin + their #2 draft pick?
not proposing anything … just playing what if
No
Their 2nd round pick is the 31st of the 2nd round. Suggs is one of the best at his position and is in on so many more plays than Boldin. We couldn’t replace Suggs with our 26th pick and the second rounder wouldn’t do much more than additional depth.
Rexx
I wouldn't trade Suggs
There is not much in this league to get me to trade who I think is one of the premier defensive players in this league. It’s just slightly less than saying “what would it take to trade Ed Reed?”
Rexx
But...
Suggs is from Arizona, attended Arizona State, has expressed an interest about playing back in Arizona and his contract is up this year. Suggs himself may use that opportunity to sign a deal with Arizona There is a good chance he could go the way of AT, Bart Scott, et al and we would get nothing in return except a compensatory draft pick. Whooppeee-doo…
All I am saying is, yes, Suggs is a premier defensive player, but the draft is loaded with pass rushers, “tweeners”, hybrids" whatever you want to call them. If Arizona is willing to give up Q, and some picks, like a 2nd and an additional pick, I think we would be foolish not to consider their offer knowing that we may only have one year left with Suggs. This way, we get something for him. And our defense is pretty stacked as it is…
Not going to happen
That AZ stuff is all posturing…Just like when Texeria said he wanted to play in Baltimore.
Suggs wants to be in Baltimore and we must keep him. No chance he hits the open market. It will get done.
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