Rumors of The Ravens Bringing in Holt or Harrison

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 9, 2009 5:29 PM EDT

It is just rumors right now, but ESPN's rumor central has said that we are supposedly looking at the 32 and/or 36 year old WR's to become part of our team.

Not to sure how I fell about Harrison, cause he definitely showed last year that he has lost some of his abilities.

However, I think Holt would be a welcomed addition to our team. Sure, we would be looking at 2 WR's in their mid 30's with Mason along side, but it could only help develop some of our younger guys. Holt has been one of the best at stretching the field since he has come in this league and I feel that Mason has the most reliable hands in this league. Those two together could not only teach whichever rookie Wideout we decide to bring in here, if we do, but our other guys, Clayton, D-Will, Yamon, and Marcus Smith how to all to be that down field threat while also being that guy to catch the short yardage passes.

What do you all think of having someone like Marvin Harrison or Torry Holt in Purple and Black next season?

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Just sign Harrison

to play against Chris Mcalister wherever he winds up. That’s good for two TD’s every time Harrison lines up against C-Mac!

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 9, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions

I'm not really crazy about...

…bringing in a free agent wide receiver. There are just too many good receivers in the draft this year.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 9, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions

Signing a free agent wide receiver just makes sense for where we are right now. With the pick we have in the first round (and assuming that’s the round we’re talking about), any receivers we have left from which to draft probably aren’t going to immediate playmakers. Bringing in an older wide receiver expands our offensive options immediately while giving our draft choice time to develop. Also, we may get a deal because of the FA’s age and the fact that we’re likely contenders for a Super Bowl run. My only concern is whether these two can play at the level we need. I don’t really know anything about Holt, and Harrison has definitely lost a step.

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by Ampallang on Mar 9, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I disagree.

If it were any other year, I might agree, but there are several receivers in the draft that would make an immediate impact (Maclin, Nicks, Heyward-Bey and Britt). This year’s wide receiver class is very deep, and it brings into light the shallowness of the available free-agent wide receivers. If there were better free agents available, I might be incline to agree with you, but all of the available free agent receivers are old and over the hill. Torry Holt was awesome in his prime, but he’s doesn’t have much more than name recognition now.

Doesn’t anyone remember Javon Walker last year? I’m sorry, but this does not make sense right now.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 9, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Don’t forget Ohio State’s Robiskie!

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 10, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions

if we signed one i would prefer holt for his speed..

and while there are many good WRs in the draft this would allow us to draft a WR (or two) later on the draft rather than in the 1st… maybe opening the possibility of picking up a TE or other depth needs..

pushing clayton to the 3 would also create much better match up on passing situations too..

by sexypills03 on Mar 9, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions

I think you know how I feel about this

I would like to take a look at Holt if the price is right, and draft a young WR to develop as well. That way we should be set up nicely for the immediate and long term future.

by DT711 on Mar 9, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions

We have mason

to play the aging mature vet role, we need some younger talent.

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by Reddrummer9187 on Mar 9, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions

Holt is only 32 for this season

Still in his prime. I agree that Marvin is way to old for what we need.

by DT711 on Mar 9, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Marvin Harrison is a washed up ball hog. I sure hope the Ravens do not sign him. The idea of going after an older wide receiver sucks period, it’s like handing out money and barely getting anything back.. but since I have to choose, I’d prefer Holt.

by The Jakeness on Mar 9, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions

Huh?

Signing an aging Derrick Mason has really been just like handing out money and getting none back?

I think it has worked out pretty well for us. Why would bringing in a 32 y/o Holt be different then when we brought in a ~32 y/o Mason?

Also, Marvin a ball hog? Really? How do you figure? Because he caught so many damn balls?

by DT711 on Mar 9, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m not taking anything away from Derrick Mason, you sir need to relax and watch a sunset. I never said there was anything wrong with Torry Holt, I would just prefer finding younger receivers. Holt is a great receiver, I didn’t call him washed up now did I? I just said he was older and I’d prefer younger. And Harrison is bullshit who Peyton even says cries when he doesn’t get the ball the most. And he wants more money than he’s worth. But okay, I see you have a tiny little man crush on Harrison so I’ll let you know I do tip my hat to the guy for what he used to be able to do.

by The Jakeness on Mar 9, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I remember comments from Peyton about both Marvin and Reggie wanting the ball, along with Clark and the OL wanting to run block

but wanting to be a part of the game while keeping it on the field and out of the media is perfectly fine.

WR’s want the ball, and I guarantee you any good WR that has gotten the ball less than usual will make that known to the QB or Coach calling the plays. It’s when guys can’t keep it in-house that’s an issue.

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by shake n bake on Mar 10, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions

You cannot compare Mason and Holt.

Mason is a possession receiver and correctly runs routes to get open. Holt is a speed receiver, and obviously, uses his speed to get open. Speed receivers become ineffective at a much younger age, and we have seen that with Holt over the last few seasons. Possession receivers do not need speed as much as they need quickness and the ability to run crisp routes. This is why many possession receivers can play late into their careers. You don’t see many speed receivers doing that.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 9, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Holt has only had one down year

I think last year can mostly be attributed to the team sucking and crappy QB play. I think he still has some nice years left, but you never know.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HoltTo00.htm

by DT711 on Mar 10, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions

Why is everyone against adding another experienced wideout?

If the price is right, and I’ll leave that to Ozzie and Steve, is there really such a thing as too many decent wide receivers? Let there be a competition to see who lines up with Mason. Make Clayton work for it. You know someone’s getting injured at some point (sorry guys). The only negative is that it stunts the growth of whatever young guys remain on our roster at wideout. Otherwise, grab one of them (preferably Holt) and still go wideout early on day one of the draft.

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by Rexx on Mar 10, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions

Exactly

Use Mason to teach the young guys about catching and route running. Use Holt to teach the young guys about separation and getting down field.

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 10, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions

A Torre Holt and/or Marvin Harrison signing, Split decision:

I’ m definately split on the decision to add a receiver who is alittle up in age, or possibly lost some or his skills. Right now, I’d really like to see the Ravens fill this need through the draft, there are quite a few big time guys there, and it’s one of the deepest positions in this draft. I’m liking the idea of maybe drafting one of our own in Heyward-Bey, but we’re now also linked to the kid from Oklahoma, Juaquain Iglesias. And of course, then there’s Michael Crabtree, who I think everyone would love to have but the chances of him being there at 26 are 0-none. So, we’ll see, but we have the best front office in terms of picking talent. Joe Cool needs that weapon that everyone on defense fears, that will open up the rest of the offense, that guy he can grow with. All the great ones had that guy and so does our boy.

by mrvlous1 on Mar 10, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions

Iglesias will not be picked in the first 2 rounds

He is about the 7-8th best WR in this draft. I would take him at the highest, 3rd round. As for Crabtree, we can keep dreaming of getting that freak. DHB, Nicks, Britt, Maclin are looking to be our best options in the first round.

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 10, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Okay

Mr MaLoR, then seriously, who do you think we should go after and is it someone through the draft or a free agent. And it’s my belief that there aren’t many FA’s that may fit well with Flacco, and if anyone, maybe Holt, but really, how much speed does he have left, I haven’t seen much of him in recent years since the decline of the team out there St. Louis.

by mrvlous1 on Mar 10, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions

I think we go after who gives us the best ability to win football games.

And right now, the men whose job is football, are in Baltimore figuring that out for us. We are only fans who focus on other things in our life and football is just a luxury. For the Ravens, it is their job. So, I think we go after whoever Ozzie thinks we should go after.

Now who do I think we should take a stab at, honestly, I would love to have Holt. I think that his fall off could have been just as much mentally as it was physically, if he is even falling off physically. Being on a team that is constantly at the bottom of the standing will hurt a player of Holt’s caliber. I think bringing him into a team that is trying to get a ring next year rather than a team that is focusing on building that team to get a ring in 5-6 years will help his game.

Is Holt the answer to our future needs, not exactly. Can he help us right now, most likely. It is very hard to pass up on guys who have been there and can still perform as one of the best in this league. No, I do not think we should take Harrison, 36 is way too old for his playing style. Holt is 32, and still has juice. Moss and Owens are both older than him, and they are the 2 most physically gifted and dominating WR in todays game when playing like they SHOULD BE.

We get Holt, and boom, I think we have just filled the holes on our team. Like Ozzie said if you didnt get a chance to catch it, “We want the draft to just be a plus for our team.” Adding depth is more important to Ozzie then filling holes and it is a very smart move. Once our holes are filled, we just take players. Did we really need to get Nakamura and Zbikowski last year in the draft? Not really, but man did they contribute.

I think that filling in our holes, and there really are not too many left, then heading into the draft is the smartest thing to do. There, we can draft another WR, maybe even Iglesias if he is there at the right time.

I think we should go after people who will help us win football games, thats it.

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 10, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I Agree

That’s an angle I hadn’t considered Mr MaLoR, we could provide just the change of scenary Holt needs. I would not be surprised if he was still the steady game breaking receiver he’s always been, I believe there isn’t a better pair of hands in the league, and his precise route running is well documented. I would like to see it for the possibility of Joe Cool having two of the best pair of hands in Mason and Holt, his development should continue, and his confidence would soar with having guys like this to throw to.

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by mrvlous1 on Mar 10, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions

Formula For Receiver Success

These guys were the perfect match and the Ravens could follow the Fun Bunch script:

Charlie Brown -medium build/fast/covers whole field
Gary Clark – small build /fast/cover whole field
Art Monk – big build/ possession/quick
Don Warren – wide build/average speed/crafty/blue collar guy
Clint Didier – wide build/average speed/2nd optiont/blue collar guy

To pull something like that together is not bank busting but is a proven winning combination. I have always loved this model and it took 3 different average QB’s to the SB. At this point Mason covers half the territory Clark did, Clayton is a tweener and Heap is too light in the pants for TE and too lumbering to be a receiver. We don’t have a Monk type and blue collar possession TE’s are missing. We need to blow up the receiving corps and get more balance for the years to come.

by raven on Mar 10, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions

Ozzie is not done

He will get something done and will add a WR shortly. Just sit back, watch and learn.

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 10, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions

I think Ozzie is done

Drafting a loser like Joe Flacco and not getting us to the superbowl with him. What a shitty pick by one of the best. GO HIDE OZZIE! Hey, I hear Phil Savage is looking for a job now. And Matt Millen. We should do the duel-GM threat. Matt Millen is better then Ozzie cause he drafted 8 wide receivers straight and we drafted 1 and a qb.

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 10, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Exactly! Savage and Millen have a ton to prove and Ozzie is crashing hard. Ever since Modell stopped driving around with him in the golf cart he’s stopped learning. He now drives around with Phelps or Gary Williams.

by raven on Mar 10, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions

We won’t land a top receiver guys..so we may as well take all those names off the board…

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by raven on Mar 10, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions

I dont know man

Michael Jackson was a beast back in the day.

Then he raped a child……

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 10, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t want harrison

by 52 rule on Mar 14, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions

We’ll have Rexx call Ozzie on his direct line to let him know you don’t want Harrison. Everybody here at the Beatdown — nay, Ravens fans everywhere — thank you and your brilliant reasoning for helping us to dodge that bullet.

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by Ampallang on Mar 15, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions