What else do Ravens need before NFL Draft?
The Ravens made a big splash in free agency, with two signings in key positions by signing CB Domonique Foxworth and center Matt Birk. Both signings are to replace starters who either left via free agency themselves or were released by the team. Center Jason Brown signed with the St. Louis Rams for way too much money and the Ravens released veteran CB Chris McAlister for a bevy of reasons, one reportedly being his inability to get on board with new head coach John Harbaugh.
Now that most of the big free agent names are off the board, teams will be looking at the rest of the players still looking for 2009 teams, and perhaps some bargains salary-wise. Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome says the team is not finished signing players and wants to fill other needs before the NFL Draft so that when they make the 26th pick in April, they will be able to take the best available player, not specifically to fill an open need.
So what else are they looking for? Placekicker Matt Stover has been told by the team that they will not be re-signing him and there really isn't another free agent kicker still on the market that interests the Ravens. John Carney is still available but is actually even older than Stover, although he does seem to have a stronger leg. Stover's longest FG last season was 47 yards while Carney hit one from 51 yards. For the season, Stover was 27 of 33 while Carney was 35 of 38. However, Carney was six of eight from beyond the 40 yard line while Stover was a poor five of ten from the same distance. Most likely, the Ravens will continue to look at kickoff specialist Steven Hauschka and give him some competition through the draft or afterwards.
By filling the CB and center positions through free agency, the Ravens are pretty much set with starters along the offensive line and CB. However, depth will always continue to be a need. The status of veteran CB Samari Rolle is still up in the air and the resolution of this will determine whether or not the Ravens will continue to have a void there. Corey Ivy is rumored to be signing with his old boss Rex Ryan and reunite with former Ravens Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard on the NY Jets. If Rolle is given his requested release, the Ravens will have a void in the nickel back position. The Ravens are reportedly talking with former Denver Borncos Karl Paymah, but he was a reserve with them so I can't see him being anything other than that with the Ravens. There are still a bunch of veteran CB's out there, most notably former Steelers Bryant McFadden, although his price tag will be way higher than what Baltimore is interested in paying. However, the name that interests me is former Carolina Panther, Chicago Bear and St. Louis Ram, Ricky Manning, Jr. He is a six year veteran who only two years ago have five interceptions as part of the Bears 2006 team that lost in the Super Bowl to the Indianapolis Colts. However, the Ravens may just want to look at a CB in the draft come late April.
Despite the loss of LB Bart Scott, the Raven continue to be deep in that position and have a variety of options on their current roster that could step in and fill that void. Defensive line is pretty set, although the future status of DT Kelly Gregg has been rumored to be shaky, although reserve Justin Bannan stepped in and played great in his absence and will continue to do so if needed.
The Ravens have not re-signed FB Lorenzo Neal, as their thought process appears to be that if they can get a blocking TE in there, they can go with more one back sets without needing a FB in front of the RB. Personally I'd like to see Neal back there again, as our "heavy" package, with an additional tackle lined up along with the 255 pound Neal blocking for the 260 pound Le'Ron McClain poses huge matchup problems for most every team we faced last year.
Either way, the Ravens will be in the market for another TE, be it through free agency or most likely the draft. Depending on who is still on the board in the first round, the Ravens may actually pick a TE depending on who is available. Even if they don't select one with their first round pick, expect the team to select one on the first day of the draft. Other than the obvious top TE's in the draft (Brandon Pettigrew), I also like the big kid out of Maryland (Dan Gronkowski), who looks to be a good blocker, something that Todd Heap had problems with when counted on.
That leaves the wide receiver position, where there is the obvious need for someone to stretch the field. There really is nothing that fits that need still available in free agency, so it appears that this position is the biggest need on their draft board. At the same time, there are guys still unsigned that could definitely compete for the slot position, such as former San Diego Charger, Malcolm Floyd (6'5", 225 pounds) and the former Dallas Cowboy, Miles Austin (6'3", 216 pounds), who also has serious speed. However, the wideout position is also one of the deepest in this year's draft so don't be surprised if the Ravens wait until the second round to select one.
So chime in and let me know your thoughts on what else the Ravens should do prior to the draft to add depth to this team.
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Ricky Manning Jr
Also had 3 interceptions in I think it was the NFC Divisional game the year the Panthers went to the superbowl. That was insane. Manning would be a great pick up, because of how physical he can be. Only 5’9" but nearly 200 pounds, he could be a great person to line up in the slot to be physical with the other team’s slot guy. Other few names out there are Ahmad Carroll, Drayton Florence, Karl Paymah, and Keiwan Ratliff. Hell, I will even take Derrick Martin or Corey Ivy back.
As for Tight End, I am not too sure if I really believe in that being a “weaker” position. I think the Sypnewski injury really hurt us last year. He should make a big contribution to our offense this year, both in blocking and catching. But I would not be against bringing in a guy like LJ Smith, Ben Troupe, or even 10 year vet, Bubba Franks. A guy who has been there and made some nice catches would be nice for Joe.
As for the kicker thing, screw bringing in any of those guys left out there. Kicker is really not the best position to bring a guy who was let go by his other team, cause that shows he couldn’t get it done there, what makes you think he will get it done here. Either drafting a guy this year or just letting the kid Hauschka give it a shot. He has learned from Stover, why the hell not. Oh yea, can anyone tell me that one kicker we had behind Stover a few years back who could also boom it, he did kick-offs? I cannot think of his name. And whatever happened to my boy Nick Novak from Maryland? He was on the Deadskins at one point then I think the Jets. He always had a boot on him. Love to bring him in.
For Full Back, I would love to get Neal back, but we should also start looking in the draft for our next “Thumper.” Only guy I have really heard about in this years draft is Quinn Johnson from LSU. 6’1", 260 pounds. Since LeRon McClain is now in our offensive game plan as a ball carrier, that takes away from our future fullback, the position he was drafted for. FA this year does not offer anything other than Lorenzo Neil, so he would be smart to bring back.
Now, the most important position for us to fill in this year is Wide Receiver. I really think our best answer is the draft, man. As DT had in a comment in another post, Torry Holt would not be too bad of an option. Veteran guy and one of the best and most reliable WR’s that the league has seen since he has been a player. Holt is only 32, and that age does not seem to be a factor for many of these “Elite” guys these days. I mean, the best possession Receiver in the game is 35……Derrick Mason. I think Holt be perfect to throw in at the slot. And if we can get our hands on someone like DHB or Maclin, Holt would be a great Vet to teach the young guys how to be that down field threat, like he was for all those years. Free Agency just does not do it for us with WR. Pretty slim pickings at WR and do not really give us that #1 guy we need in the future.
Still some time to make a few more moves and then focus on adding depth through the draft. Like Ozzie said, “We’re not finished yet.”
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 8, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wolud love to have Torry Holt
That would allow mason to slide into the slot and give Flacco another WR with great hands. Also would like to see us grap brandon pettigrew in the 1st round. If he falls to us, he would be a great addtion to our offense. He can block and catch, not to many TE can do both.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on Mar 9, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still need to take a closer look through the Ravens draft history
but from my early impressions and stuff I’ve seen around, they seem to use their first round pick like the Colts do, BPA at a need position. Mark off 3-5 spots where a first rounder could contribute quickly, and then take the best player of those positions that falls to your pick. For Indy this year it’s DT/OT/RB/WR and maybe CB depending on whether they plan to give Marlin Jackson a deal like they did Kelvin Hayden.
For the Ravens I’d say it’s WR/CB/LB/TE.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
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by shake n bake on Mar 8, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our draft history is one of the best if not the best sine we have been in the league.
We have had some stand out first rounders. But the thing you have to look at is the late round picks that we have gotten. Ed Hartwell, Bart Scott, Kelly Gregg, Adalius Thomas, Dawan Landry, Jason Brown, and many more I cannot think of right now. But all those guys were 4-7th or even undrafted and have become Elite players at their positions.
You can even look at Jared Gaither, our 22 year old starting Left Tackle. He was a supplemental 5th round pick for us after he failed out of the University of Maryland. Ozzie Newsome is the BEST GM in this league at evaluating talent at all levels of the Draft. No question there.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 8, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
by PFR’s numbers over the period from 1996 to 2005* the Colts were the best drafters in the league by far. I think Polian can give Newsome more than a challenge for the title. Though your qualifying statement makes it closer, a lot of Indy’s value in that ranking was that they just don’t miss on 1st rounders. The Ravens were 3rd over that stretch.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=531
*Polian took over in 1998, his first pick was Peyton. The two drafts before him produced Marvin Harrison, Bertrand Berry, Tarik Glenn and Adam Meadows.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It
by shake n bake on Mar 8, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie has done a great job.....
But Pittsburgh still draft’s better then any team in the league. These guys can lose a starting LB who was a pro bowler and fill that void with a 4th-5th-6th round draft pick and still recieve the same production if not more. I think Baltimore really like to use pitt, as an example on how to draft players.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on Mar 9, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT?!?
Ok, our last 3 line backers that have left us for bigger contracts. Ed Hartwell, Adalius Thomas, Bart Scott. Ed and Adalius were both 2nd day picks and Scott was undrafted! We have had just as much, if not more success in drafting linebackers then they have. Just because they have what seems a different line up every year doesnt mean they fill roles better with 4-5-6th round picks. I will take our linebacking core of the last 8-9 years over any of theirs in that time.
Disappointed to here one of us say the Steelers are better then us, let alone draft better then us.
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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 9, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was first day pick
1st or 2nd round i believe
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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 9, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not saying that were bad at drafting
Im just saying the steelers do it a little bit better
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on Mar 9, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it bad that I want to say blueberry whenever I read that word?
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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 9, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I am going by my biased opinion of course
Plus, it is hard to fail on that offense in Indy. Then again, it is hard to fail on this defense in Baltimore.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 8, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the argument is spliting hairs
best vs bestest
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It
by shake n bake on Mar 8, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cant wait for you guys to come back here to B-More
Flacco > Manning in that game.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 8, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine how you could be excited to see Indy after the last few games
Indy’s beaten the Ravens 5 straight years in and in each of the last 6 meetings.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It
by shake n bake on Mar 8, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always excited for a good game
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 8, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited
The Ravens games bring back good memories for me.
2008 Marvin’s last big game
2007 23-0 at the end of the first
The 2006 Colts defense being revived by Bob Sanders, Anthony McFarland and Rob Morris
2004/2005 Freeney owning Ogden
The “team stealing” Colts are the ones that seem to get up for the game, not the supposedly motivated Ravens. But I know what it’s like to have a bad run against another good team (see Colts-Chargers). The Colts don’t have the Ravens number or anything, that’s just how the games have broken.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It
by shake n bake on Mar 8, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is just always a good game
For the most part…..
Just looking forward to getting some revenge one of these days
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 8, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my fault, I am really interested in what people think on the original topic.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It
by shake n bake on Mar 8, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Colts...
…DO have the Raven’s number. It also reminds me of the Colt’s struggles with San Diego. It’s just a match-up nightmare for both teams. It’s also interesting to note that the Ravens starting corners have been out in the last two meetings. Besides those games, the matches have been competitive.
by BAL_Hawk on Mar 9, 2009 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time you saw Manning held without a TD?
2006 AFC Divisional game, and I believe that was the only time I have watched the Colts not score a touchdown. GOD DAMN YOU MCNAIR!
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 9, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well 3 of 4
McAllister played in the 08 game, Rolle was out for both.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It
by shake n bake on Mar 9, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah...
…but they actually would have done better without him. That was his last start as a Raven. He was burned for two touchdowns in that game.
by BAL_Hawk on Mar 9, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but don't forget
that stretch for Indy had 2 defensive players who had two all pro selections each and one with a DPOY award. Indy can draft defense, they just often choose to get Peyton more toys instead.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It
by shake n bake on Mar 8, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Dominique Foxworth deal is looking bad right now.
Bryant McFadden just signed with the Cardinals on a two year deal. Yikes!
Owen Daniels is a really good TE but I think Texans tendered him as a second round pick. So I guess that won’t happen.
by E-ROC on Mar 8, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You wont be saying that about Foxworth
When he is running back a Rufflesburger interception
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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 8, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say that if...
…Foxworth comes to Baltimore and doesn’t play at a starting level. However, I don’t see that happening. Ozzie usually knows which type of players fit in out system (especially on defense). Most players come to Baltimore and thrive. Jim Leonard is a perfect example. Last year, he was cut from the Bills. Now, after playing one year on the Raven’s defense, he’s considered a “play-maker” and just signed a multi-year contract.
I have a feeling that Foxworth is going to excel in Baltimore. The Raven’s defense is special… Defensive players come to Baltimore and improve. I can’t name a single defensive free agent that was a bust for the Ravens. I think that our tandem of corners (Foxworth and Washington) will be considered among the best in the league by the end of next season.
by BAL_Hawk on Mar 9, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say Tommy Polley
Maybe not a bust, but he was hyped up to help us out way more then he ever did. Other than that, we do not have a lot of FA defensive players we have brought in. Rolle, Leonhard, Trevor Pryce, those are the only other guys I can think of that have come off the street to help start for us. Everyone else on our defense we have drafted.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 9, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank Walker and Marques Douglas played well for us too. They weren’t super-stars, but we didn’t pay them for that. They were quality backups. Unfortunately, we had to use Walker in a starting role several times. He didn’t shine, but he did about as well as anyone could ask.
by BAL_Hawk on Mar 9, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word
Frank Walker aka Everyone’s favorite whipping boy will be back as the nickel or dime back, and I’m happy to have him. He might be a knucklehead, but he is very solid as long as he does not have to start. His physical, scrappy nature fits in well with the Ravens D. I think he is going to keep improving this year. Fabian, Foxworth, Walker, Martin, Ogelsby, and a mid round (2-5) draft choice are my guesses for the CB’s on our roster for this upcoming season.
Also, going back a bit, Sam Adams, and Woodson def got it done in their time here.
by DT711 on Mar 9, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exacty.
I also believe that the Ravens will draft a corner in the second. I’m still betting on a WR in the first.
I think Woodson was our best FA… tied with Sharp. The Ravens have had alot of success with free-agents. McGahee is a question mark. I’m still one of his few supporters. I think that he will come around next season.
by BAL_Hawk on Mar 9, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just referring to recently
But everyone shines on our defense. McGahee is still my favorite player on the team and is my favorite jersey to wear. Give me a healthy Willis, watch out. I am serious that we could have 3 RB’s next year rush for 750+ each, with 2 of them reaching near 1000. I am dying to see more Ray Rice. Suggs refers to him as “A Westbrook” because he changes your whole offense.
My nick name for him is mighty mouse.
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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 9, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mighty Mouse
Micheal Pittman is the original
by DT711 on Mar 9, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McGahee is awesome.
He actually had a good 2007 campaign, which most people forget since the Ravens did poorly, but I remember that he was our entire offense. He is capable of being an elite back. I love his swagger, and his stiff-arm is BRUTAL.
Remember his performance on December 3rd against the Patriots? He owned them the entire game… That’s the only good memory I have of the 2007 season.
by BAL_Hawk on Mar 9, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love Willis man
He just been through some rough times this past year. He had some great games this year and was also a pro bowler the year before. Love the guy
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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 9, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to buy into the team
If he does the I’m all for him being starter (w/ a healthy does of LMC and Rice).
I’m hoping last year lit a fire under his ass, after watching LMC and Rice be featured at times. A motivated Willis is a top 10 back for sure, maybe top 5 in the NFL.
by DT711 on Mar 9, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we jus signed L.J. Smith so now we have 2 good Tight Ends.
Our main focus now is wide reciever..I would love 2 c Heyward Bey n purple and black. 2 compliment mason and clayton with the speed
by peanut on Mar 19, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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