Joe Flacco: Still Needs to Prove Himself
Just like people who don't like Obama, I have to sit back and either support Joe or move onto another team.
However, Flacco still needs to regain my trust. The kid sucks against the Steelers and should've benched himself in the AFC Championship game or at least dual QB'd with Troy Smith. Flacco can barely complete a pass against the Steelers in regular season games, yet he makes us depend on him to get to the Superbowl. Yeah right. I am still angry at him for costing us the Superbowl and has still yet to win me over.
Do we have a franchise quarterback in Joe Flacco? With last year's performance, it's a no. You have one more year to change my mind Joe. He is no Matt Ryan.
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You’re absolutely right. Every small school rookie should be able to lead his team with below average receivers and the youngest o line in the league to take down the leagues best defense in the AFC championship game. What the hell was I thinking all this time? CUT HIM!
by ihatethesteelers on Mar 5, 2009 7:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I never said he should be able to. Obviously you didn’t read the post. He couldn’t handle them once, he couldn’t handle them twice, how the hell can he handle them a third time?
The kid was nonsense last year and overthrew half his passes. Luckily Mason and Clayton who you claim to be below average receivers (yeah okay, right away I should ignore your comment) made ridiculous catches for Flacco’s bad throws.
Flacco failed us last year like I said and needs to redeem himself BIG TIME.
by The Jakeness on Mar 5, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This comment makes no sense
If Mason and Clayton caught these passes, THEN THEY HAD TO HAVE BEEN CATCHABLE BALLS! All rookies are supposed to go to the superbowl, right?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 5, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
jakeness, ur too stupid to even talk
dude, YOU ARE AN IDIOT. flacco is the perfect qb for the ravens! he is completely selfless. he doesnt care about the stardom or the fame. he just wants to win and thats rare to find in any players these days. and i guess every rookie qb every year are supposed to go to the super bowl right? hell, they shouldnt even lose a game. what a perfect world that would be if every rookie qb just led his team to an undefeated season. then would you be satisfied? doesnt even sound like ur a big fan of the ravens. right now were a superbowl team in the making
by Ravens4Life on Mar 8, 2009 3:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This post is nonsense.
I’m not going to waste anymore time formulating an intelligent response. Even Browns fan can appreciate what Flacco brings. I can’t believe you said that he should have been benched.
by BAL_Hawk on Mar 5, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well of course Browns fans can appreciate good QBing, they havent had a good QB in decades.
by archon095 on Mar 5, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Steeler fan i would like to agree with you but instead i will be sensible and just say shut up and go away.
by archon095 on Mar 5, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Look at this Jakeness
Even a freaking Steelers fan said you are an idiot! That really says something man. Thanks for the post archon
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 5, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I had the power to
I would delete this post right away. Quite possibly the worst thing I have read since the one guy coming in here and saying kyle boller could have beat the steelers. You are insane if you dont trust Joe. Your right, rookies from small schools are always supposed to come in and lead your team to the superbowl. 100% right buddy.
How far did Matt Ryan get in the playoffs again? And dont give me that bullshit, “He doesnt have the type of defense we have” Would Ed Reed or Ray Lewis make that throw to Mason for the only TD we got against the Titans in the AFC Divisional game? NO!
Stop crying, get over that we lost. No QB has ever won a road playoff game before Joe, and he won 2. You are idiotic for making a post like this. One more year then he is done, give me a break man. Pathetic
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 5, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Joe won the playoff game against the Titans, yeah ok? What was the score again.. yeah there was a whole lot of Joe offense! Look at his numbers and tell me he’s great. I never said he doesn’t have the potential to be great, hell, we can say Eli could be great, but they’re not without a defense backing or a Plaxico Burress.
You people are idiots and need to stick your heads in the ground.
by The Jakeness on Mar 5, 2009 8:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is a Team effort!
Does not fucking matter how you get the win, as long as you get it. Did Joe turn the ball over against Tenn? Nope! And he did what he did against one of the best defenses last season. Got us in position to get scores. Led us on the game winning drive to. You should be ashamed to be a Ravens fan.
We should draft Matt Stafford….
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 5, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stafford is garbage. There are no good QBs in this year’s draft.
And there was no win against the Steelers last season, EVER. Flacco blew it and blew it good. Like i said, he must redeem himself.
by The Jakeness on Mar 5, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the defense blew it
When they allowed Pitt to drive down the field in the first game and tie it up, which we then lost in overtime. Then in the 2nd game, our defense allowed Ben to drive 90+ yards on us to get the winning touchdown. Then in the AFC Championship, let Santonio Holmes get one of the most broken Touchdowns I have ever seen.
It is a TEAM effort. Sure Joe made a few bad throws here and there. And that is not just his fault. When you play against THE BEST defense in the league and one of the best Defenses to ever play in a single season, they are most likely going to force turnovers. As much as I hate the Steelers, there is no way I am going to but all the blame on Joe for his performances, as some of the INT’s he threw in that game were completions against all the other defenses. Pitt is THAT GOOD of a defense that they can expose a rookie like Joe and bait him into making mistakes. Can you do us a favor and just delete this post.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 5, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about just ONE single touchdown from Joe? ONE WOULD HAVE DONE IT! How about not throwing an interception near the end of the game so he doesn’t have to stop Troy from running back WHICH HE COULDN’T EVEN DO! Sure, our defense made mistakes, but at least they did good things besides just suck. 16 points is not a mistake.. but 141 yards and 3 picks is garbage. AGAIN, HE STILL NEEDS TO PROVE HIMSELF.
by The Jakeness on Mar 5, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be surprised, guys...
….if this posting by this guy is just a big joke on all of us. Probably been on numerous sites with his only purpose to stir things up. Something tells me he’s also pissed at Kurt Warner for not winning the Super Bowl and fumbling at the end. He also has to think that Tom Brady should have won the Giants Superr Bowl game and still needs to redeem and prove himself as well.
Flacco only QB’d us to the brink of the Super Bowl. I guess if next year we make it but lose in the Super Bowl, he’ll blame him and say he needs to redeem himself in his third season and still needs to prove himself as well.
You’re free to continue to post here, Jakeness, but don’t insult our intelligenc or continue to embarass yourself with empty posts such as this one. Just not worth the continued responses, so guys, I recommend ignoring anything after this comment.
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 5, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Aw, poor little guy is upset about hearing the truth about Flacco.
Flacco still needs to prove himself. The numbers speak for themselves.
by The Jakeness on Mar 5, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, the AFC Championship speaks for itself
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 5, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why you guys are so upset. Flacco stank it up and I called him on it. Any QB can go far with the right team behind him. Rex Grossman went to the Superbowl with the Bears, I dare you to say he’s good, you better or else you can take back everything you said about Flacco being good.
by The Jakeness on Mar 5, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have got to be kidding!
Flacco is a keeper, I will say that much.
My QB is arguably the best in the league…1 Superbowl. It takes a TEAM to win games.
Don’t you think you’re being kinda hard on the kid? I mean, what, he’s like 22, 23 and got your team to the AFCCG? Yeah, I guess I can see what you mean. (sarcasm)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 6, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
About what? You can’t back up anything you’ve said. So nothing you said matters. Better luck next time.
Flacco still needs to prove himself.
by The Jakeness on Mar 5, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I will agree with you that Joe does need to work on a few things
But I feel that him taking us to the AFC Championship game proves alot. Again, you cannot use the “Our Defense took us there” because QB is the most important position on the team. If it were the case that our defense is the only reason that we got to the AFC Championship game, then we would have been in it many other times with the top 3 defenses we have had in the past.
What is there for me to back myself up with. Again, you are caught up in the fact that every QB has to throw for 300 yards and 2-3 touchdowns every game for them to “prove themselves.” I just do not understand how taking a team to the AFC Championship game is not proving yourself. Boller couldnt do it, McNair couldnt do it, and all the other QB’s we have had besides Dilfer couldnt do it. And all those guys also had one of the best running games in the league along with one of the top defenses in the league.
Again, it is a TEAM effort and doing ENOUGH to get the win is better then doing amazing and not getting the win. That is my back-up.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 5, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Finally you’re discussing this with me rather than arguing that your opinion is right and mine isn’t. In my opinion which is what I thought having a blog was about, it is that Flacco still have to prove to me he’s good.
I get that he had games where he did good and we got the AFC Championship with a rookie QB, but we were so close to the Superbowl and the damn kid couldn’t throw one touchdown. If he were on the Falcons I don’t think he would have made it to the playoffs. With McNair we did make the playoffs though and yes Boller was full of shit. But for me, I need to see more before agreeing that he is the franchise. I’m not going to just because he and the number two defense in the NFL got the AFC Championship game.
Other than Flacco I doubt we will disagree on anything else that relates to the Ravens.
by The Jakeness on Mar 5, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We were 4 minutes away from the Super Bowl
and trust me, every Ravens fan and Steelers fan was waiting for Flacco to drive us down the field for the game winning FG (like he DID against the Titans!). Not being able to beat the best team in the league on the road twice is tough for even the best QB’s to do. They had a great defense and when it gets late in games you have to take chances which is where the interceptions come from. Give the guy a break, say he played way over anyone’s expectations and look forward to another year from him with more progress to be made. However, he doesn’t have to prove anything to you. He had a great rookie season and you should just look forward to more improvement next year. To say he sucks shows a lack of understanding of the game. Sorry, but if everyone else here agrees with these statements other than you, most likely you are just not getting it.
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 6, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome Jakeness BUT
He was a rookie with a rookie coach with a 1st year starting RB and a beat up Willis. He had 1 receiver and a beat to shit Heap. He was up against the number 1 D. He brought us back in the first game when our D failed us and gave us the lead in the second game when Pitt again scored on the D late. He almost beat the 2nd best team in the league Tenn twice. But again, our D let a last minute 80 yard drive occur. For a rookie he was excellent learning everything that goes into one game plan. He had his blind spots but those great D’s do that to you. We were 3 games better than anyone expected this year. Easy to get spoiled. AFC Champioship game. We played 1 less game than the World Champs and better team.
by raven on Mar 6, 2009 1:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for your mature opinion Raven. And you make good points like everyone else, I was just stating how I felt. I mean, I hope the damn kid becomes the greatest QB of all time, I really do, but this is just how I feel right now and I was expressing that. Thanks for the welcome as well!
by The Jakeness on Mar 6, 2009 1:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
we’ll give you a hard time to start just to see if your a troll or actually want to chill here for a few months…trust me, everyone can take getting goofed on and MaLoRs used to it after getting busted for selling his sperm to the Octomom for UMD bristle blocks and lincoln logs.
by raven on Mar 6, 2009 2:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jakeness-
your from LA….have you bagged any celebs or had your house crashed into by someone out of rehab?
by raven on Mar 6, 2009 2:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah himself
on his way home from a 28 day “vacation.”
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 6, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but I did see Britney Spears and Paris Hilton naked.
by The Jakeness on Mar 6, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you have to be kidding me
lol
this post well
is interesting your the first guy that has ever really said that like going to the afc championship with a rokkie quater back is not good at all lol
but i do respect your opinion and im not goinfg to insult you or anything but ima leave you to think where we would be without him =/
by Bm0re blackout on Mar 6, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
@Jakeness
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by shake n bake on Mar 6, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe
As a Steeler fan, I will say I agree with Jakeness that Joe will have to prove himself next year. That goes without saying. Lets face it, each year in the NFL especialy for the qb, presents it’s own set of challenges and obstacles. No one can predict what kind of season or career someone is going to have (hence the reason 50% of all draft picks are busts).
A qb’s development is never a nice, neat, upward, predictable graph. To say Joe accomplished this and that in his rookie year means he will absolutely be that much better in his second year, is not accurate. The same goes for Matt Ryan. Sure, they both may have incredible follow up seasons, but again they may not. Who knows? Of course as Raven fans your banking on the former, and as a Steeler fan I’m hoping for the latter.
I disagree with Jakeness about AFC Championship. I don’t think Joe lost it for you, nor do I think he was in over his head. Watch the tape again, there was just no where to throw the ball…we stopped the run with our front 3, got enough pressure with 4 or 5, and regularly dropped 6 or 7 into coverage….and played 2 deep on alot of snaps to take away deep balls. Just no where to go with the ball, It didn’t matter who was the qb was.
Always an interesting and important discusion about the development of a qb. Often, the future of a franchise weighs in the balance. That’s why these debates tend to be very heated and emotional because it’s so important to the future success or failure of a team.
Ultimately, I have no clue what kind of second year or career for that matter, Joe will have. But, I can tell I hope his career parallels the likes of Kyle Boller…God, I loved him…good enough sometimes, gave you fans some glimer of hope but bad enough most of the time to make us Steeler fans smile.
by SteelerMike on Mar 7, 2009 12:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the sentiment's Mike
2008: ÂEarned the 2008 Diet Pepsi Rookie of the Year Award as he started all 16 games, connecting on 60% of his passes (257 of 428) for 2,971 yards, 14 TDs and12 INTs for an 80.3 rating (4th highest single Âseason rating in Ravens history) – Joe Flacco
Diet Pepsi Rookie of the Year Award Winner:
The rookie Joe Flacco, now second year player has proven him self to be valuable to this franchise more than any other make due quarterback we’ve had in the past. Dilfer took us to a SB but wasn’t a rookie and Joe actually posted better numbers than Dilfer on a path to a second SB that was stalled. Trent was in the middle of his career at the time and didn’t come back to Baltimore the following year. Trent’s career never brought glory to him again. Unfortunately his 2000 season with us has been seen as the best season a QB with the Ravens has had in our franchise history. Just harping on things I’ve heard from people not necessarily in this Blog. Who can blame them for accepting mediocrity, can you? I believe we’ve finally found our guy to take the snaps for years to come. Imagine the possibilities for Joe, their endless. If someone can not see a bright future for this kid or at least acknowledge a potential then I can’t help you.
Trent’s stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/trentdilfer/profile?id=DIL049692
-Dilfer’s career was sub par at best.
by purpleonblack86 on Mar 7, 2009 4:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another great Flacco stat
compared w/ Boller and McNair:
In 2007 the Ravens had something like only three passes over 20 yards the ENTIRE year. Joe had something like 25 last season over 20 yards. ’Nuff said there.
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 7, 2009 8:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
that stat is awesome rexx..billick was allergic to moving the ball north and south…poo poo guru.
by raven on Mar 7, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey purpleonblack
I did not say the kid doesn’t have a bright future ( I said he may have an even better season coming up), and I certainly acknowledge his potential…what I did say was nobody really knows.
Ask Browns fans about DA’s follow up season. Wasn’t VY rookie of the year as well? To quote last years stats as proof that Joe will be even better in his second year is not reality. Believe me, as a fan I understand the urge to do so but it’s just not reality.
Sure there’s reason for much optimism, but there are no certainties. I was anxious to see what kind of follow-up year Ben would have to his rookie season and that worked out well for us. I can’t say i wish Joe the same success (at least not against us) but who knows, he may have an all-pro season. Or his productivity could dip, he could struggle, get injured or he could just have a bad year not living up to unrealistic expectations. Then he could rebound in years 3, 4, 5 and put up staggering numbers. That was my point about a qb’s development not necessarily following a nice, upward predictable graph. Who knows?
I can’t even sit here and honestly tell you what kind of year Ben will have next seson. 2007 was an all pro year 30+ TD’s, 10 int’s but a loss in the playoffs. 2008 17 TD’s, 15 int’s but a SB win. Obviously lots of different factors involved in those stats. The best thing I will say about Ben is he has “it”, and he is a winner. We may be able to the same thing about Joe in the near future. Who knows? Time will tell.
My last point is how it is staggering how much the success of a team depends on the growth of the qb. I guess that’s why they get the big bucks. As fans we’ll ride the highs and the lows. Hopefully, for us Steeler fans Joe will have more lows :)
In the end, it’s the uncertainity we like. It’s why we why we watch. It’s why come September ( or August for that matter) we’ll tune in with much anticipation and excitement…hoping for the best but not really knowing what’s going to happen.
by SteelerMike on Mar 7, 2009 9:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like this comment, but I disgree with one thing
There is no way that you, or anyone, can use Derrick Anderson as an example here when describing the fall off year that might follow. Joe Flacco was a first round pick, amazing athlete, for how goofy he looks, and has all the right abilities to be one of the best in this league.
Anderson was freaking cut from our practice squad! He was a nobody when he came into this league. No one knew who he was and had a shot to get on our team. If you cannot show Ozzie Newsome, one of if not the best GM in the league, that you cannot play football for us, you are usually a pretty bad player. Only guy I can say that Ozzie cut when they were a nobody with us is your guy James Harrison. But it was because he gave up in practice when he did bad, and we didnt like that. DA and Flacco share nothing in common. He is a worthless, talentless, no body, and will always be the guy who got cut from our practice squad. Joe is one of a kind.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 7, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call DA "worthless, talentless"
but there is no comparison between a Practice Squad cut and a first round draft pick. Sure the lower drafted guys sometimes work out but this is not going to be the case over the long run. DA may be fine somewhere other than Cleveland, which is football’s balck hole if you want success. But while we will never be miustaken for Quarterback University, we are on the right track while DA is in limbo.
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 7, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, he's a Brown
They are all worthless and talentless.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 7, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious...
…Has there ever been a player that came from the Browns to the Ravens? I can’t think of anyone off-hand… excluding players that moved with the team.
by BAL_Hawk on Mar 8, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2 I agree with you here but agree more with Malor
Like he said I don’t see the fall off in year 2 for Flacco like Derrick Anderson had, if anything else because our guy Flacco is still in the early stages of his career unlike DA so we can groom him to be a great NFL QB and that process is always continuing especially with a top QB coach in Hue Jackson. Although I do agree with you that we are sort of staring at the unknown when it comes to how Flacco will do in his second season. Generally as fans I feel like we have sort of placed Joe on a pedestal this year as the “savior” of the franchise. I know personally I like to think of him that way, dreaming of other QB’s the average name of “Joe” he could could be like and hopefully better, such as Joe Montana and Joe Namath. I am guilty of that.
by purpleonblack86 on Mar 7, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really know if DA had a "fall off"
Cleveland’s defense was so bad that the Browns were always falling behind and no matter how well DA was, either the defense put him in a hole or Braylon dropped a key pass. DA never had a chance as the press, fans and management were just waiting for an excuse to bring Brady in asap.
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 7, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True Mr. MaLoR
DA didn’t come in as a first round guy and he had his share of struggles, I’ll give you that. But, no matter how worhless you think he is, he sure had one heck of a season 2 years ago (I forget his exact stats). I just was using him to illustrate my point how unpredictable qb’s seasons can be (and teams in general for that matter). Now, watch…DA could come back and have another all-pro year…who knows…I hope not but you never know.
I guess the concept I’m describing is the cyclal nature of things. Everything runs in cycles. Ups and downs. Teams are up and down, qb’s are up and down. To me, the best statement about a team or a qb, is that they win, even when their not playing their best, or are in a down cycle. And the down cycles will come no matter who you are…Ben with his motorcycle/appendectomy year; Carson Palmer injured last year…it seems like he’s been in a down cycle with a down team for a few cycles…even Tom Brady, hurt this year, but with all his talent and the talented Pats haven’t won a SB in 4 years, Drew Brees hurts his shoulder, leaves SD as a free agent and comes back to have a prolific year. Ups and downs.
As fans we often overlook these cycles and just assume constant progression and success. This leads to unrealistic expectations. I’ve lived in Georgia for about 12 years and I am amused at the expectations I’m hearing for Matt Ryan. There is no way that kid can live up to what I’m hearing on tv and talk radio. The fans and media are expecting way too much…if he doesn’t throw for 30 td’s and lead them to the NFC Championship, these fans will actually be disappointed! However, these are the same Falcon fans that will be pouting and whining about Ryan’s sophomore jinx a year from now…ups and downs.
For my emotional health I really try to have no expectations at all. I know the Steelers will be good enough “to be in the mix” but after that who knows. I don’t expect the Steelers to be back in the SB just b/c we did it this year. The season is so dam long, so many variables, injuries etc etc etc Each year is completely different.
I didn’t mean for this post to be this long but being a Steeler fan, during free agency, I have absolutely nothing else to do!! Please, for God’s sake, I just want them to sign someone…anyone…I don’t care who it is!!! I don’t care what position they play, or how bad they are…just please sign somebody…anybody… I can’t go two more months until the draft without any offseason news…I need to fill the void!!
by SteelerMike on Mar 7, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no problem..i need the reading so keep on writing…the steelers were the best team hands down last year. We had a hell of a time moving the ball againt Pitt-frustratingly hard..But, our new coaches made some critical mistakes with red flags and personnel choices (D-Masons TD where he toes the end zone but called incomplete/why we kept running a doubled over McGahee when McClaine had your number in game 1….). We need to pull it all together this year. We all pray for a bigger receiver to compliment Mason and Clayton (who was not utilized very well in the AFC Champ game-or simply smothered by your deep coverage). It a 2 horse race next year and will be amazingly exciting. Thanks to Bengirls and Brownies we will be well rested for each other.
by raven on Mar 7, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well my two cents...
Flacco’s second season will be critical. Will he progress or regress? To judge any player off of one season, especially a rookie season is a mistake. Add in the fact that Cam designed a great offense to protect and showcase Flacco’s ability. Lets be honest here, Flacco handled by another organization could have been a complete failure. But that assures me that the team should be able to facilitate Flacco’s growth. There were a lot of intangibles that I liked from Flacco. Remember at the start of the year, when getting flushed to the sidelines, he would throw an errant interception vice making sure it went out of bounds? Almost right away, Flacco stopped doing it. You didn’t see him continue to make the same mistakes over an over again. His poise was another huge bonus. On the sidelines and during the game, you didn’t see a vast difference in how Flacco approach a team, whether it was the Bengals or the Titans. That isn’t to say he had the same success, but you didn’t see him regress into rookie mistakes when facing a quality team. He struggled against very good defenses last year. That’s something most QBs did. He’s got a lot to improve on of course, but as a Raven’s fan, I can’t see anything from him that didn’t make me happy as hell they drafted him.
"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."
by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 7, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Flacco needs to prove himself to me
and someone else out there. Oh, and he needs to redeem himself as well. Right?
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 7, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He should have been benched
No argument there
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 7, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
flacco has my full confidence
i have been a ravens fan since i knew what football was, and i truly believe that flacco will develop into a full fledged franchise quarterback for the ravens. he just needs some weapons for the offense built around him to make him that much better. i know ozzie already knows this and is en-route to making it happen. im absolutely certain that we have a super bowl team in the making, just give flacco a few years to develop. yes he sucked ass against the steelers, but u have to keep in mind, hes still a rook. steelers were the most intense and physical team this year besides us. flacco just wasnt used to that type of rivalry competition. give flacco time, and he will grow into a winner. we got the defense, we got an upcoming offense, and we will soon have that super bowl trophy.
……and about matt ryan. yes he also had a stellar rookie campaign. but how far did he make it into the playoffs? and how far did joe make it? thats enough said in itself
by Ravens4Life on Mar 8, 2009 3:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed +1
Flacco made two great throws in the Titans game. He waited until Mason broke open and hit hit down the sideline for a long TD. He also saw Clayton had postion over Tennessee’s DB’s and hit him for another long one that gave us a FG. Finally he hit Todd Heap on a key thrid down call, despite the playclock running out and then finally hit Clayton to put Stover in FG range to win the game.
Not a bad game for a rookie on the road, even though he just couldn’t get it done vs. Pittsburgh. Neither did Kurt Warner for that matter in the Super Bowl. Does Warner still need to prove or redeem himself?
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 8, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly, I think troy Smith would have had better games againt Pitt (scrambling, throw on run) but as far as the entire seaon goes- Joes the man and any benching would have just knocked his confidence and made for a miserable offseason..and may have affected signings. I’m not saying Troy is better by any means but with a beat up McGahee and unopen receivers in the Pitt games, Troy might have been a big spark and bought time.
i was really hoping Troy would go to the Jets and be the starter..I really want to see the guy play every sunday. he’s a winner and will win. way too much is made of his height. i feel for the guy.
i also want to make a predicition that Shawn Hill will be a very good NFL QB should he get the starting kob in San Fran. He’s a winner and beat Phil Rivers in college and a lot of other big name QB’s.. He’s not flashy but has that uncanny ability to make things happen. he is extremely accurate and wins. i really like Hill.
by raven on Mar 9, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, raven
I said the same thing about Troy back when Rex Ryan was hired as NYJ new coach. I wanted him to take Troy with him and build his team around the guy. Coming into this season, I will be honest and say that I wanted Troy to start 100% over Joe or Kyle “I should have been a” Boller. Joe did not seem ready at all and Troy just seemed right. The players liked him, he had that Raven swagger. Hope to see the guy do well in the NFL one day. If he wins that National Championship against Florida, he is a 1st-2nd round pick and is starting for some team right now.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 9, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s all I was saying, Flacco did fine other times, but couldn’t punch it through against the team we actually needed to do it against. And Smith like you said would have fit in perfectly for that spot. You’d think Flacco’s confidence would stay up with a win and a promise to start against every non-Steeler team. But I guess that isn’t realistic for some odd reason.
by The Jakeness on Mar 10, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, I just do not get how you can blame Joe for what happened.
I mean, there is a reason that before Joe, no rookie QB ever won a road playoff game and 2 playoff games, both on the road. He led us against the best team in the NFL last year. I will say, yes, we all expect Joe to do what is necessary in those games to get us to Tampa, but I just cannot blame him cause it is his first season. First ever AFC Championship game against one of the best defenses that has really ever played in a single season. His stats and INT’s did not come strictly because of his mistakes. When you play a defense like Pitt, they will figure you out at times. I give all credit to the Steelers, because I could tell that they had us figured out 100%, as evident as Joe’s 3 worse games of the year coming against the Steelers. (F*** the colts and giants games)
What they were able to do to us in the AFC Championship game is like what we were able to do to Miami in the Wildcard. A team that turned the ball over 13 times the whole season, gave up 5 turnovers in one game to us. Those 5 turnovers were more heavily favored in our game plan more then it was Pennington’s fault.
Pitt was THE BEST defense in the league last year. No one hit like them, no one did a lot of the things they did last year. I think that you are just still pissed off about the whole situation, but honestly man, did you expect us to be in Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship before this season started? No
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 10, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right about one thing, I am still pissed off. Joe Flacco pissed me off. I expected to do well every year with the defense we had with or without Flacco. Chris Johnson was burning our ass in the Titans playoff game. If our defense didn’t do what they do best and injure Johnson, he would have put up too many numbers for Flacco to keep up with. Joe needs to prove himself. That is all there is to it.
by The Jakeness on Mar 10, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're looking for perfection
football is a team game. Yeah Flacco could’t get it done and threw the key interception late in the game. Were the wideouts getting open all day? No. Did the o-line block long enough to give him time? No. Did the o-line open gaping holes for McClain and McGahee to run through to open up the passing game? No. You pissed off at Joe? Blae the whole team, not any one player then. That way, you won’t get blasted like you did here.
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 10, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he didn’t get sick at the begining of the season he’s the starter..
by raven on Mar 9, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
About Matt Ryan
“Joe Flacco is no Matt Ryan”. that is about the dumbest comment ive ever read. how far did matt ryan make it through the playoffs again? oh not past the first game. how far did flacco make it? the AFC championship. well thats pretty strange. i guess im glad flacco is no matt ryan, because if he was, we wouldnt have even made it past the dolphins in post season. Steelers may have been flacco’s achilles heel this season, but that will all change with playoff experience under his belt now.
by Ravens4Life on Mar 9, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They are each great.
See, people will argue that Matt Ryan is better because he put up huge stats and turned around one of the most dis-functional franchises in the league. But Joe did not have a Roddy White to throw down field everytime for 60-70 yard scores. Michael Turner is a way more explosive back than any of our guys are at this point. And Michael Jenkins is another solid down field threat.
And we will say that this comment is dumb because of how far each guy made it in the playoffs. Flacco has the advantage there obviously, but Ryan did not have our defense to back him up.
Bottom line is that both these guys are going to be elite QB’s in this league. They both bring something different to their team’s style of play and it works. Does not matter about stats, what matters is how you win games and how far you can get in the playoffs. Both those guys did a very good job in those areas.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 9, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Got It
i know what you mean. i know matt ryan is good, i just hate hearing the “matt ryan is way better than flacco” jig. they both got different people around them that helps build their success. matt offensively and Joe defensively. once flacco gets the weapons on offense he will definitely be elite. and once matt ryan gets the defense, he will lead the falcons through the playoffs some day. but until then, its stupid to compare the two until you see them at their peak
by Ravens4Life on Mar 9, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Ryan Can't Count
A lot of good that BC education did….
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/37862/index.html
Enough said…
by DT711 on Mar 9, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Ryan is the best quarterback that came out of the draft last year. Joe is no Matt.
Enough said.
by The Jakeness on Mar 10, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prove it please
And go head and throw your stats at us. Ryan had one of the best offenses in the league last year to help him win games without a solid defense. Joe had the 2nd best defense in the league last year to win games without a truly solid offense.
And how far did they each take their teams. And you are only basing your case off of Matt being the 2nd pick in the draft, and his stats he put up. You have nothing else to back it up with. Stats and your fame dont mean shit if you are winning games.
Since BEN ROTHELISBURGER has come into the league, he has been the best QB in this league, HANDS DOWN. You know why, cause in his 5 years he has been with Pitt, he has more rings then the so called best Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Being the best pertains to one thing and one thing only, the wins you get, and how far you make it towards going to the superbowl. Joe has the edge right now.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 10, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Flacco finished his rookie regular season with 14 TD, 12 INT, 80.3 QB RATING, 11 FUMBLES.
Matt Ryan finished his rookie regular season with 16 TD, 11 INT, 87.7 QB RATING, 6 FUMBLES
Joe Flacco finished his 3 game playoff run with 1 TD, 3 INT
Matt Ryan finished his 1 game playoff run with 2 TD, 2 INT
Hand Matt Ryan the Ravens we have a higher chance of going to the Superbowl. Hand Flacco the Falcons and they probably don’t make the playoffs. The numbers speak for themselves. The teams backing them speak for themselves. Flacco still needs to prove himself.
And how is Big Ben better than Brady? Ben has two superbowls in 5 years and Brady has three in 5 years. Brady is way better than Bug Ben. If you were right then that would be one thing, but you’re sitting here glorifying the enemy with false information. Traitor.
by The Jakeness on Mar 10, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I did
I emphasized the word SINCE in my comment. Saying that SINCE Ben came into this league, he has been the most efficient QB. And you think that SINCE Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco have come in league that Ryan is better because he put up stats.
You are the typical football fan who only bases their assumptions off of the numbers. Stats dont mean shit if you dont get the win, and Flacco did a way better job then Ryan in that department.
Also, tell me why Flacco cant lead the Falcons to the playoffs? We will never know unless it happens, so saying that is wrong. Different situations work out in different ways. And I am the traitor for saying what I said about Ben, but you are over there saying that Matt Ryan is better then our boy. After one full season, Flacco did more to get his team farther in the playoffs then Ryan did.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 10, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post has officially devolved. Congratulations to both of you.
Mr MaLoR, your argument is entirely invalid. The number of rings on your finger isn’t a valid measuring stick for how effective a player you are. Based on your opinion, we might as well put up a statue of Trent Dilfer next to that of Johnny Unitas. Trent led us to 100% of our modern era Super Bowls, so he must be an amazing quarterback, right? Seriously, I’ve had this same argument (almost word-for-word) with some idiot from Pittsburgh.
Guess what! There were ten other guys out there on the field with Roethlisberger (and a defense, and special teams). Contrary to your argument, Big Ben was not, in fact, throwing passes to himself. He had a top-rated defense, better-than-Baltimore’s receivers (so good, both Super Bowl MVP’s came from here rather than at the QB position), a vaunted running game, and referees that forget what offensive holding was as they watch his gleaming man-body scramble for 10-15 seconds at a time. When the Steelers won their two Super Bowls, they did actually make rings for more than just Roethlisberger. 52 other players, plus a host of coaches and front office personnel, felt their hand suddenly get heavier.
Is Big Ben a great quarterback? Unfortunately, yes, and for a myriad of mostly intangible reasons. Does his winning record support that arguement? Yes, but saying that his win ratio is why he’s great is a gross over-simplification that undermines the rest of the also-great team that’s been there to pick up his slack when he’s in one of his down cycles.
The Jakeness, it’s disheartening to see a supposed Ravens fan so quick throw Flacco under the bus. Did he piss in your cornflakes? Bang your sister? Run over your dog? Are you a joint account owned by both Kyle Boller and Troy Smith whose purpose is to smear the Division II (or whatever they’re calling it now) rookie that came in and made look easy what they made look so hard?
Flacco was never supposed to be our starter. Despite both Boller and Smith looking terrible in the pre-season, starting Flacco was not supposed to be an option. Until Boller decided to have surgery and Smith had that crazy-ass tonsilitis complication, the coaching staff remained steadfast in having Flacco ride the bench for at least part of the season.
Joe was thrust suddenly into the role of starter just before the season started, and you can see that in his performance in the early part of the season as he slowly got used to playing with the starters. You posted his season-long stats, but conveniently NEVER mentioned his VAST improvement. I’m not going to look up his stat breakdowns, because you know as well as I (and the rest of the posters on the Beatdown) that the vast majority of his interceptions came early on in the season. You could literally see his progression from game to game.
In contrast, Matt Ryan was going to be the starter from the beginning. He spent all summer taking reps with the starters. As others have said, he had superior weapons around him on offense. His receivers make our one-armed wonder look like the 35 year-old route-runner he is. His running back is a legitimate threat, whereas our philosophy of banging our head against the wall until something gives really showed its weakness against teams with a moderate-or-better run defense (our yards/carry was nothing to write home about). Correct me if I’m wrong here (as I’m not super knowledgeable about the Falcons), but I assume that Ryan had a tight end to whom he could throw. Heap was either in a total defensive blocking package or looking like a shadow of his former self downfield. The strength of the Falcons made Ryan look better than he really was. The strength of the Ravens could only sit and watch as Flacco learned and improved all season.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
by Ampallang on Mar 10, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for shutting us both down
Maybe that is all we needed to shut us both up. But still
Flacco > Ryan
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 10, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Response!
Well said, back up with great comments and thoroughly dissected both guys comments with solid points. Well done. A+++++
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 10, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was writing my comments while all hopped up on adderall
So didnt really know where I was taking it. I just was not gonna let some guy who thinks Joe Flacco should have been benched last year for Boller or Troy after he played the whole season, make another argument that Matt Ryan is worlds above Joe Flacco because he had a way better offense to work with.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 10, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Miniature Bull Terrier
MacKenzie, ate 28 Adderall once. She kept sitting up all night dartingnher eyes all over the place. She survived but still can’t type or post on the Beatdown.
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 10, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know where you’re coming from. I’ve had about half a dozen responses to The Jakeness that I’ve just deleted before posting.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
by Ampallang on Mar 11, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flacco did throw into triple coverage to end the game..just sayin
by raven on Mar 10, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
He is garbage. Cut him
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 10, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seconded. This poser will never cut it in the pro’s.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
by Ampallang on Mar 11, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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