March 29, 1984: A Date in Baltimore Sports Infamy
On a snowy night back on this date in 1984, the ugly green and yellow Mayflower moving vans packed up the last remnants of the Baltimore Colts and snuck away in the dark to Indianapolis, Indiana. Robert Irsay, one of the most hated names in Baltimore, stole the team he had bought and ran into the ground and relocated it to Indianapolis after going on record in a drunken, slurry interview where he said he was not moving the team.
Baltimore then endured 13 long years without a National Football League team. During that span, we had to suffer the indignation of seeing that blue horseshoe on the white helmets every Sunday during the season along with the word, Indianapolis. To add to our city's humiliation, the NFL Hall of Fame changed all the former Baltimore Colts' records and memorabilia to the Indianapolis Colts, a move cursed by the likes of legends Johnny Unitas, Lenny Moore and Artie Donovan.
In the meantime, Baltimore tried to get back in the game and was repeatedly denied a new franchise by then-NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, who told the city that they should take the funds they were holding for a new stadium and build a museum instead. (Hey Paul - How 'bout we put our Super Bowl 35 Championship Trophy in our new "museum!?"). Baltimore then became the only city in the country to have a Super Bowl, USFL and Canadian Football League Championship. Whoopee!
Finally, after trying the more legitimate way to earn the right to have another NFL franchise, Baltimore realized its only choice was to entice another city's team to move here, which ended up with Art Modell moving the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore in 1996, changing their name to the Ravens and a new football team was born. Poor Cleveland only had to wait two years to get another franchise, with their former name and colors intact (wahhh, Baltimore stole our team, wahhh!).
Many older fans who grew up with the Baltimore Colts would take the Colts name and colors back in an instant, but not me. The Ravens and their purple, black and gold are our team now and by proof of a NFL title in 2001 have cemented their place in this and future generations as Baltimore's team. The Ravens have easily overtaken the Orioles, who have been here since 1954, as the most popular team in the city. Therefore, the Colts are now the enemy and we will always damn the Irsays for ripping them from our hearts and root the Ravens to beat them as much as any other NFL team, save perhaps for the Pittsburgh Steelers,....and Cleveland Browns,....and Washington Redskins....perhaps.
So, to once again regurgitate the memories of 25 years ago, what are your thoughts on our need to continue to hate and curse, or just let it go and move on?
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F*** them all
People, like Paul Taglafag, just looked at the image of Baltimore City during that time (The inventors of Crack and Aids in my opinion Lol) and thought it was not suited for football.
I’m not one to talk, but let go of the Colts name I think. If the program was not moved, you older gentlemen may have just experience Cleveland like football for a long time. Ouch.
We have our boys now, and there is no looking back.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 29, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you sir,
I’m what you call “a young football fan” and I’m SICK of this mess about the frickin Horseshoe! I understand the history but lets do ourselves a favor……GET THE HELL OVER IT! The Baltimore Ravens are the team now and if in 30 years their the Baltimore Spaceships i’m going to accept it and buy a jersey! Its cool to remember where you come from, but i hate nothing more than hearing Brownie fans and Squeeler fans say we’re the “old browns!” WE ARE THE BALTIMORE RAVENS! I dont know about ya’ll but i’m damn proud!
by FEARtheTERP1 on Mar 29, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I wouldn’t even care about all this were it not for the name and colors. That’s what the real loss was. Irsay was an alcoholic and a boor, and he and his family are a living memorial that accountability is the domain of the poor and middle class. On that level, good riddance.
It’s incredibly weird that we had to move an established franchise to Baltimore in order to have an NFL team, but it was to be expected given the closeness of Tagliabue and Jack Kent Cooke.
Still I Bristle every time I hear the Baltimore Colts of old linked to the current franchise in Indianapolis, or remember that Johnny U is listed with his fellow players in the Hall of Fame as an “Indianapolis Colt,” despite the consistent requests by his family to correct the situation.
by math_geek on Mar 29, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt you'd find many Indy Colts fans that would defend Robert Irsay
but Jimmy Irsay is a fantastic owner (hiring Polian and getting out of the way is all the evidence anyone would need).
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 29, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hiring Polian and getting out of the way is all the evidence anyone would need
That he’s competent. But the fact is that he inherited the franchise from a man who made his fortune by putting his own father out of business. Good God are standards so low for individuals that hiring the biggest name GM available is grounds for making you “fantastic”
Try telling Cleveland Browns fans that Art Modell was a fantastic owner for hiring Ozzie Newsome and getting out of the way.
Nevertheless, I didn’t actually say anything negative about Jimmy boy, simply that his family represents the entitlements and lack of accountability of his class. What else do we know about him? Art Modell offered him a princely sum for the name and heritage of the Baltimore Colts, and he demanded an amount of money that was pretty much equal to Art Modell’s net worth at the time. All this at a time when his team had had exactly 1 winning season in Indianapolis.
Heck, if Baltimore had gotten the name and colors back, I would have stopped caring ages ago. Same goes for most people I know. I strongly believe it would have been the right thing to do. At this point I’d happily settle for the Baltimore records returning to Baltimore and having Canton clean up it’s Hall so that Johnny U is listed as a Baltimore Colt.
by math_geek on Mar 29, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what else do you want from an owner?
other than to hire the best GM out there, don’t interfere with his work and spend up to the cap+a excellent staff. I don’t think there’s anything else an owner can do.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 29, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you might be right
But that might well make 20 different owners “fantastic,” and only serves further to indite the owners that can’t seem to meet those meager responsibilities. I generally am friendly with the waiter/waitress, and tip well, but does that make me a “fantastic” patron?
by math_geek on Mar 29, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 teams don't have great GMs
there are a handful of owners who suck, a large class of owners who do just about everything they control well and there are a few that are either great or good and lucky who got the best possible GM to run the show.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 29, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then there’s no distinction between great and lucky, but there’s a distinction between great and good?
Ozzie Newsome is an excellent GM. Steve Bisciotti never hired him, but he meets your requirements of a “fantastic” owner.
Titans, Patriots, Dolphins, Steelers, Chargers, Panthers, Falcons, Giants, Eagles, Vikings, and Seahawks all pretty clearly seem to fit your definition of “fantastic” ownership. That’s 13 teams total!
And we’re not done, the Texans, Browns, Jaguars, Broncos, Chiefs, Saints, Bucs, Packers, and 49ers have ownership that have generally looked to hire top names and talent for their Front Offices and Head Coaches, but haven’t had success doing so for a variety of factors. Maybe they aren’t as good at it, or maybe they’ve had bad luck. When Randy Lerner hired Phil Savage, everyone thought it was a great move for the Browns. Now we’re supposed to think Lerner isn’t a great owner because he hired one of the top Front Office talents and it didn’t work out? Seems kind of silly.
That’s 22 teams, leaving the Bengals, Jets, Bills, Raiders, Cowboys, Redskins, Lions, Bears, Rams, and Cardinals to remain as the teams with clearly flawed ownership. And one of those owners, Jerry Jones, is arguably just quirky, whereas another owner, Bill Bidwill, was really bad for a while, but has made some pretty significant changes to how he runs the franchise.
Finally, my overarching point is, finding a good GM and going away and playing typeracer is simply not a very difficult job. I’ll give credit where credit is due, but that’s very rarely the owner.
by math_geek on Mar 29, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Great and Lucky are the same thing
but those are the two choices for what to call the owners I’d call fantastic.
Maybe those Owners happened to hire the hottest GM on the market at a time when the hottest GM was the best, and then the team got the bounces it needed for success.
Or maybe those owners had an eye for talent and their choice of GMs wasn’t a happy accident.
If you think there are just 2 classes of Owners, the good and the ones that either can’t get out of their own way (Davis/Jones) or won’t spend the money to be a great organization (Bidwell/Brown) then there’s plenty to back that up.
I think out of that big “good” class you can separate out the owners that have hired the very best personnel people, leading to their team’s success.
But this is all horribly subjective, and there’s nothing that brings more frustration and less resolution than subjective arguments.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 29, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your signature
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 29, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lil Wayne fan or just like that particular turn of phrase?
I’ve used a pretty sizable number of signatures, but the vast majority of them have been Lil’ Wayne lyrics (I can remember all 3 that weren’t. Two Young Jeezy lines and a Thomas Paine quote).
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 30, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love Weezy
Dont really agree with the music he is putting out now, but 2-3 years ago he was insane.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 30, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Tha Carter III
but I don’t have high hopes for his Rock Album.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun
Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never spring
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all
And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
by shake n bake on Mar 30, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
typo in the sig. I guess that’s what I get for changing it often.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Mar 30, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im bein hated by the seasons
So fuck yall, who hatin for no reason!
Hey Mr MaLoR!
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 30, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I recall correctly, Jimmy hired Bill Polian because Paul Tagliabue told him to.
Can’t find where I read that though.
I think there’s more of a continuum than I’ve been describing (I am after all, a math geek. All functions are continuous), but pursuing competent GMs and spending money are what I consider sort of bare minimum qualifications. If you don’t do them you’re a bad owner.
The problem of measuring owners is worse than subjective, it’s missing most of the relevant data points. We can hear stories about how an owner is involved or makes decisions, but with so few “hiring GM” data points, it’s absolutely impossible to get a consistent trend. Name one GM Jimmy hired other than Polian. Steve Bisciotti has never hired a GM. How the hell are we supposed to work with that? The one theory that I don’t like is that if the team wins everybody wins. This implies (for example) that Kraft is great, Bellichek is great, Pioli is great, Brady is great, Bruschi is great, McDaniels is great, etc. etc. That all may be true, but a team being great does not imply that all it’s elements are great, only that some of them are (I pick Bellichek and Brady personally, but that is) subjective.
by math_geek on Mar 29, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Math.
What did you major in? Obviously, I’m assuming that you went to college. I majored in Physics with an EE focus. I was originally a math major… I would also consider myself a math geek.
by BAL_Hawk on Mar 31, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, enough of the hook-up stuff
go to eHarmony for that, okay ladies?
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 31, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
manning would make any gm good..who’s the cleveland cavaliers gm? bet he’s grest too.
by raven on Apr 1, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taking the team's name and colors...
…was like rubbing salt in the wound. Losing a team is hard, but to lose our legacy… to see Johnny Unitas in Indianapolis’ hall of fame… it was unforgivable. All of the trailer-trash Browns fans can try to relate the loss of their pathetic franchise to ours, but it just rings of shallowness.
It was an offense that no Baltimore fan will forget.
by BAL_Hawk on Mar 29, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My anger died with Bob Irsay
I grew up watching the Colts and was crushed when they left in ’84. But my anger was directed at Bob Irsay. With his descending into the burning gates of hell, and seeing that, unlike his Dad, Jimmy Irsay is a class act, the anger has subsided. I am over it.
We have our Ravens. We have had great ownership with Art Modell and now with Steve Bisciotti. We have a great, new football only stadium. So I prefer to focus my passion on the Purple that I now love and and not waste it on hatred of someone who does not even deserve that much.
I LOVE THE RAVENS!
I would only hope that someday the NFL will record history based upon the city where it occurred and not deny Baltimore what is rightfully ours. It does still hurt seeing our history co-opted in the record books.
by Fandemonium on Mar 29, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Baltimore "Fans" Were Responsible For The Colts Leaving Town
That’s something that’s never mentioned regarding the Colts leaving town. The games were VERY poorly attended, so they left. The city said “no” when Irsay asked for help. So STFU already.
by quipdude on Mar 30, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right, because Irsay had absolutely no responsibilities to put together an even tolerable product. He was free to drink as much as he wanted, call plays from the owner’s box, fire coaches in the middle of the game, whatever he pleased.
Why don’t you go see if you can still invest your life savings with Bernie Madoff while you’re at it.
by math_geek on Mar 30, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't know what you're talking about
Irsay ran this franchise into the ground and NEVER asked for help. Modell begged the city of Cleveland for a new stadium and said w/o one he would have no other choice than to leave. Clevelnad said “no” so he went elsewhere. Irsay PROMISED not to move the team and then snuck out in the middle of the night. Even JOhn Elway refused to play in Baltimore at that time when the Colts drafted him #1 and had to settle for OT Chris Hinton when Elway refused to sign here.
Know your facts when talking trash. Just one basic rule here at the Beatdown.
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 30, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Irsay
Ran the team into the ground is why no one showed up. Indy’s franchise was a failure until his son took over.
If someone tries to sell you shit in a bag as popcorn your still going to eat it?
Well i gues you would.
by thekoch on Mar 30, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He asked you if you eat shit, Rexx!
Duh….
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 31, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that if I'm dumb enough
to buy a bag of shit, then I should just STFU and eat it. Right?
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 31, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Such a smarty
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 31, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you replied to Rexx's comment
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Apr 1, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
Actually i was replying to rexx’s comment that was under quip’s orig comment. agreeing with him. Hence me stating I missed the reply button. Sorry if after a couple 12 hour shifts in multiple timezones I post in the comment section and not hit the reply tab..
by thekoch on Apr 1, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s really no excuse. The reply button is there for a reason. Please don’t let it happen again.
Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.
by Ampallang on Apr 1, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm to young
To truely appretiate the Colts. I was 4 when they left. My grandfather was a city cop who worked security at the games and would grab beers with the team after the games. My anger was having to grow up with out a football team here because of Tagliabu. We have our team. Let them have theirs.
by thekoch on Mar 30, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well my two cents....
I don’t hate the Indies anymore. I used to with a passion but with Bob rotting in the ground, I really don’t think he is worth the time anymore. Maybe if we still didn’t have a team, I still would. I never really hated on Indy fans…they had to put up with a lot of lean years under Bob. His son seems to be the exact opposite of Mike Brown in that he comes from piss poor stock and seems to understand the nuances of the game where as Mike Brown seems to want to piss on everything that was his father, Paul Brown. I am still bitter at the NFL giving teams to Carolina and Jacksonville over us. It still to this day makes no sense to me unless Paul Tagliabue was raped or something in Baltimore and blamed the entire city for it. I think the whole “The Media and the NFL is against us” mentality that seems to inflict every Ravens fan is a direct result of Paul just fucking with us year in and year out.
I still wish we hadn’t had to travel the route we did to get a team. If the NFL had recognized and worked to fix Modell’s situation and realized that the Baltimore area was a prime location for a new NFL franchise, the Browns would not have had to move. I completely understand the bitterness of the Brown fanbase and the fact that Art found success here, relatively quickly sure as hell doesn’t make it easier for them to swallow. The NFL does a lot of things right…but the whole situation involving Baltimore over the years has resulted in two fanbases getting screwed. I am hard pressed to think of a way that they could have fucked Baltimore more over the years…I mean come on…CFL…that was like watching a porno staring my sister…no real talent and half assed….
"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."
by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 31, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind, so don’t hang on
by raven on Apr 1, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TIME FOR CHANGE
I feel we need to let go of the hate and move forward. We need to forget and grow. Let go and let God. This team has given us alot over the years and we need to return the favor. By that I mean holding on to an old grudge is negative engery. That energy doesn’t need to be in our stadium on game day. We need to project positive energy so our team can feel us. They will strive that much harder when they cna feel positive energy on the gridiron. Which will generate more wins, which will have us SuperBowl bound again. It’s time for change, it’s a new day, new season. Let the RAVENS know we are here for them! POSITIVE ATTITUDES AND ENERGY= SUPERBOWL
"RECOGNIZE A REAL WOMAN"
by BOSS LADY on Apr 4, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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