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The Big Board

A lot of people don't really understand what a team's Big Board might look like, and I've decided that I can start an exciting conversation about the draft and explain what a Team's Big Board might look like.  First a couple facts.

A Big Board consists of a list of players.  Each player is listed with a position (or positions) that he would likely play on the team and a grade.  This grade will at least include what round value the team thinks the player has, but many teams increase that to "early 1st round" or "late 2nd round" separation for the early rounds.

 

 

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Note that not every player will be on a team's big board, and while there is a lot of ranking, the groups are much more important than the ranking.  For example, Matt Stafford, despite that he is an excellent quarterback prospect, will not even be on the Ravens big board.  They won't grade him and they won't draft him because he would simply be a distraction to the team, given that we have a franchise QB.  Stafford may be the #1 guy on another team's draft board.  The other case is someone like Andre Smith, who cleanly wiped himself off of many draft boards due to his behaviour at the combine.  Some teams wouldn't draft him regardless of the circumstances, while others will simply put a lower grade on him.

Finally, the Ravens will not have 32 players with 1st round grades.  They may not even have 26 players with 1st round grades.  A team that watches every player that they've deemed worthy of a 1st rounder is in a tough spot.  That team will probably try to trade down no matter the circumstances.  For example, last year the Ravens had only 3 players that they felt were worthy of the #8 pick, widely believed to be Matt Ryan, Chris Long, and Sedrick Ellis.  Glenn Dorsey didn't fit their scheme, and I think it was already clear the Dolphins were drafting Jake Long, but I'm not sure.  When those 3 players were drafted, they simply traded down with the Jaguars, taking a well below "draft chart" deal to do it.  It worked out for them, however, as they were able to draft Joe Flacco #18 when they might well have drafted him #8!!!

So, what might the Ravens "Big Board" look like?  Here are a list of players I think are widely considered to be 1st round possibilities.

  • QB - Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman
  • RB - Knowshown Moreno, Chris Wells
  • WR - Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Darius Heyward Bey, Hakeem Nicks, Percy Harvin, Kenny Britt
  • TE Brandon Pettigrew
  • OT Eugene Monroe, Jason Smith, Michael Oher, Andre Smith, Ebon Britton
  • G/C Duke Robinson, Alex Mack
  • DT BJ Raji, Peria Jerry, Evander Hood
  • DE Brian Orakpo Everette Brown, Tyson Jackson, Michael Johnson, Aaron Maybin, Larry English
  • LB Aaron Curry, Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing, James Laurinitis
  • CB Malcolm Jenkins, Vontae Davis, Darius Butler, Alphonso Smith, Sean Smith

Everbody's list is going to be different, and this is really just a quick crack at it.  This is thirty six players already, so if you get upset that I left someone off, make sure you can find someone he's clearly better than.  But again, I'm not aiming for perfection.

Next up is eliminating some of these players off the board.  The quarterbacks are simply not options for the Ravens early thanks to Joe Flacco.  I'm honestly a little shaky on both Moreno and Wells, and although Ozzie has drafted running backs early before (Jamal Lewis and Ray Rice), it's not his favorite position to draft early either.  Plus we have invested in three separate running backs at this point that all figure to get carries.  If I thought Knowshon Moreno was a superb prospect I'd put him on the board, butI simply don't.  I simply don't really see Ebon Britton as a 1st round prospect, I just realize that OT is a position people reach for.  WR is the shakiest position to draft (including QB!) and if the Ravens go here they are going to want to be very careful.  Rumor has it that they are looking to "hit a double" as opposed to a "home run."  I agree with that philosophy and think if you are going to spend a 1st round pick on a WR he should be an excellent route runner, blocker, physical, etc.  That takes out Jeremy Maclin, Darius Heyward Bey, and Percy Harvin, leaving three physical, very skilled receivers on the board.  This may be too many, as not a single WR was drafted in the first round last year, which might be a trend.  I simply don't like Duke Robinson that much, as we can find excellent guards later in the draft and are loaded at the position right now.  The Ravens do seem to like Alex Mack though, so we'll leve him on the board.

Cut from the first round - Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Britton, Wells, Moreno, DHB, Maclin, Harvin (Nine players)

As for defense, I don't see Michael Johnson fitting our scheme, and believe Aaron Maybin is an overrated 1 year wonder.  James Laurinitis is also not a fit for our scheme.  I think Evander Hood is also really a 4-3 guy.  Peria Jerry is also really a 3-technique, which are not heavily employed by the Ravens.  Larry English is a solid pass rusher, but not much else, which is difficult for the Ravens where they ask for a large skill-set out of every player.

Cut from the first round - Johnson, Maybin, Laurinitis, Hood, Jerry, English (six players).

So on my "Big Board" we only have 21 players that get a 1st round grade.  WOW.  That was fun.  So now to form a ranking

  1. Aaron Curry - Pairing him with Ray Lewis would be simply absurd.  Not the biggest need, but probably the best player.
  2. Michael Crabtree - a simply excellent receiver prospect.  Not as fast as some like, but he's still the full package.
  3. Eugene Monroe - Superb tackle would solve all our offensive line problems
  4. Jason Smith - above, but with less polish and run-blocking
  5. Brian Orakpo - play him opposite from Suggs and watch the sparks fly.
  6. Malcolm Jenkins - was the player I most wanted at the beginning of the season.  Concerns about his timed speed might drop him because teams are stupid.  Watch him play and tell me he is slow.
  7. Everette Brown - Stock is rising... rising... RISING
  8. BJ Raji - What, we've already got Haloti Ngata? We'll figure out something awesome with two awesome tackles.  He's really good, even if he doesn't fit a need, the Ravens love to draft defensive linemen.
  9. Michael Oher - Honestly, I might be underrating him.  See Monroe and Smith, but some intelligence concerns that are heavily overhyped.  He's awesome.
  10. Vontae Davis - the above nine I consider the elite prospects that we might consider trading up for.  From now on we're talking second half first round prospects.  Vontae will likely be taken by #26, but there's a chance he might fall as rumor has it the corners are dropping as a position due to a strong free agent class.  If he fell to us that would be the ideal scenario for the Ravins.  Vontae is really really good and would make our secondary elite.
  11. Tyson Jackson - when a supertalented defensive lineman who perfectly fits your system at a position where your starter is 34 and there is no heir apparent falls to you, you thank God for blessing your team and waltz write up to the podium and take him.  Consider this the Haloti Ngata rule where Phil Savage "outsmarted us" by getting a 6th round pick for letting us take Haloti when clearly he was better off with Kameiron Wimbley.  Hilarious.
  12. Brandon Pettigrew - A superb blocker and solid pass catcher.  Don't think of this as a replacement for Heap.  We can start the both of them and they'll compliment eachother very nicely.  2 TE sets are also effective against zone-blitzing 3-4 defenses, not that I can see how that's relevant.
  13. Kenny Britt - underrated by a lot of draftnicks.  The man has more speed than we give him credit for, and has all the underrated qualities in a WR (route running, run blocking, getting off the line of scrimmage, abilitiy to go over the middle).  Attitude issues are a concern, as he could become a headache, but most WRs are headaches, so we're kind of stuck.
  14. Hakeem Nicks - He's an extremely polished route runner who should be a very good receiver in the NFL.  He lacks the attitude of Kenny Britt, but is still physical and won't likely give the team headaches.  But this guy really isn't that fast and won't be the downfield threat that Cam Cameron wants.
  15. Rey Maualuga - He's a bit overrated because he can't "do it all" as a linebacker, but he's still really really good.
  16. Darius Butler - Absurdly underrated corner.
  17. Sean Smith - playing speed is still a concern, but he could be a steal.  I think he's more risky than the Ravens might be going for, but the upside of Nmandi Asomougha is one heck of an upside.
  18. Alphonso Smith - yes the 5 foot 9 is a concern, and limits his upside, but he's could very well be Cortland Finnegan.
  19. Andre Smith - he's still on here, as he's simply too talented and his film is too good despite the character concerns, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens took him off their board.
  20. Brian Cushing - Injury prone, but excellent when healthy.
  21. Alex Mack - Taking interior offensive line early is never that much fun, but Alex Mack is a very good player that will keep our offensive line going when Matt Birk hangs up his cleets.  Center is so important in our division.

So there you have it.  21 players total in the 1st round, but it's still likely the Ravens get a player they think is worth the #26.

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I like the part of Phil Savage and the Browns with Ngata

That was funny.

Good chance 1 of these guys falls to us. I would love to get Tyson Jackson to take over Pryce’s spot.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 26, 2009 1:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tyson Jackson.

I thought about Jackson as a potential pick for the Ravens. Ozzie must have his eye on the DL. Gregg and Pryce are getting older. It’s not a desperate need since we have Bannan and Edwards, but we need another solid starter. I’m still not sold on Jackson, and I’m not sure the Ravens would draft him in the first round. I agree that he fits our scheme. He reminds me of Pryce, but he doesn’t seem consistent enough to be worth a first round pick. If they couldn’t get out of the pick and he was the only talent left… maybe.

I would like to see them target a guy like Fili Moala in the second round.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 26, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

By the way… Moala is Haloti Ngata’s cousin.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 26, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, Moala is actually part of Haloti's full name I believe.

Cant hurt getting another Ngata on our team.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 26, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyson Jackson

There was one mock draft that had us taking him a while back, and i think we have him way up our board. He does not have Dwight Freeney like edge rushing speed, but people think he can play OLB and DE in a 3-4 and slide in to DT on passing downs. Could be a great fit. We could move him around. and then let him replace pryce….

by Rayisyourdaddy on Mar 30, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he’s a very solid 3-4 DE to replace Pryce. He’s definitely high on my wish list

by math_geek on Mar 30, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He won’t play OLB. He’s built much like Trevor Pryce and is an old-school DE. He’s actually a stronger inside pass-rusher than an outside rusher. Again, it would be awesome if the Ravens drafted him, but I think that Moala would be a better value if they could draft him later.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 31, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post - PROMOTED!

Excellent opinions on your breakdown of the possible guys on the Ravens big board. Even though I probably wouldn’t take DHB in the first round, I still think he has to be on the Ravens board, as well as Harvin. I still expect the Ravens to take a WR with the 26th pick, unless one of their top players from their board other than a wideout is still there and was overlooked by everyone else. Of course, this all is pretty much based on no trades up or down in the round by the other teams as well as us.

I have made my pick on which wideout I want them to take and will post it in a story in the next day or so. However, for now, let’s debate math_geek’s fine work!

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 26, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I definitely agree guys like DHB and Harvin should get some kind of grade

even if it’s not a 1st rounder. I don’t really like the idea of not assigning a grade to a player. If the player is really talented, would you really not spend a 7th round pick on him? I think that’s crazy talk. On the other hand, I think it’s kind of amazing how the system implies that teams tend to pick their 10th or 11th best player when they are picking in the bottom of the 1st round.

Thanks for the boost! Look forward to seeing what you think of the WR class (clearly our biggest need) and also later your Mocking the Draft pick!

by math_geek on Mar 26, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think DHB

Will have a first round grade on the Ravens board. I understand the risk with him but sometimes you have to take a chance in order to get that big payoff. I am clearly biased since we went to the same HS and college, but I have seen him play over 10 times in person and he passes the eye test. Sure, he needs to improve his route running and get a better feel for the game (only been playing 5-6 years), but the man can do ridiculous things on the football field that few people in the world can match, and it is not all based on speed. He is a game breaker. A huge reason I feel he will be on the Ravens board is Joe Flacco. With the absurd cannon for an arm that Joe possesses, all DHB will need to do for the first year is run fast and get deep as the 3rd or 4th WR.. He can outrun almost any DB, and we know Joe can out throw anyone or anything. From there I am confident he can become an elite play maker but this is just one mans opinion.

We will have to see how it plays out over the next few years.

by DT711 on Mar 26, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

and there’s no way that the Ravens would have had Flacco come to College Park to throw to DHB unless he was high on their list. I doubt he did anything to take him off of it when Flacco aired them out tohim, either.

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 26, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the absurd cannon for an arm that Joe possesses, all DHB will need to do for the first year is run fast and get deep as the 3rd or 4th WR.. He can outrun almost any DB, and we know Joe can out throw anyone or anything.

Right, but what happens when teams respond by playing a safety deep? It’s hard to outrun someone who has a 25 yard headstart. That kind of play is a useful tool, but every defense in the NFL has a plan to stop it.

Prospects like DHB are definitely the most controversial. Sometimes I think its simply the difference between an optimist and a pessimist, since he is a boom or bust type. My opinions could look really bad in 4 years. But I am nevertheless risk averse, especially with a 1st round pick, because it’s one of the most valuable commodities in the draft.

I also think I might have overrated receivers in general because we need one. Not a single WR was picked in the first round last year. If that’s a trend, there’s no way Britt, DHB, Harvin, or Nicks go in the first.

by math_geek on Mar 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Right, but what happens when teams respond by playing a safety deep?

Mason, Clayton, Heap or Smith will get open underneath.

I also think I might have overrated receivers in general because we need one. Not a single WR was picked in the first round last year. If that’s a trend, there’s no way Britt, DHB, Harvin, or Nicks go in the first.

Agreed. We probably all have due to the teams longstanding need. How sweet if we could take the BPA at #26 (TE,LB,DE?) and still be able to grab a nice WR (DHB,Britt,Nicks) in the 2nd.

by DT711 on Mar 26, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, crazily enough

Pro Football Prospectus has actually done a study on elite receivers and found that they come in four height BMI groups. ThePhinsider goes over those four bodytypes and which receivers fit them

http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/3/26/811282/numbers-can-t-lie-drafting

DHB isn’t in any of the groups. Neither is Michael Crabtree, but he’s only five pounds below the Thick group.

The groups are Thick – Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald
Short – Steve Smith, and I believe Jerry Rice
Tall – Plaxico Burress, Terrell Owens
Slight – Torry Holt, Calvin Johnson

Kenny Britt is in the tall group, Hakeem Nicks is in the Thick group (which is actually my favorite group. Jeremy Maclin and Percy Harvin are both short, and Brian Robiskie is slight.

I definitely prefer the wide receivers in the Thick group, which pumps up Nicks, but I’d be happy with any of those eight wide receivers really (well, at least in terms of football ability).

by math_geek on Mar 26, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure why

Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson are in different groups. Calvin isn’t what I’d call slight.

by DT711 on Mar 27, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool

Makes much more sense since Calvin is a beast physically. He didn’t earn the Megatron nickname b/c he likes transformers.

by DT711 on Mar 27, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big Board

It seems like people are forgetting about Robiskie. This guy is claen and polished and will do it all. He is a Harbaugh kind of guy and will be a good fit here.

by Ravens92 on Mar 26, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure people have forgotten about him

Its just that he does not have a first round grade on the big board in most peoples opinions. In the second or third he’d be a great pickup.

by DT711 on Mar 26, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not forgetting him

I’d be thrilled to get him in the third, happy to get him in the second. But he doesn’t have a first round grade.

by math_geek on Mar 26, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Brandon Pettigrew falls to us at 26, were taking him. I think he’s most likely gone by the time ATL picks. Tyson Jaclson is another guy who i believe we take if he’s there, but he’s gonna be gone by then. We will most likely go WR with this pick. DHB, Britt, or Nicks are likely to still be on the board. Also, there has been talks that Jeremy Maclin may fall to us at 26. He would be a great addition to our offense. Also, a guy i like for us to take in the 2nd round is Phil Loadholt. He should be there for us and he can sovle our problems at RT.

FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Benji5203 on Mar 27, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope, I hope not

Yeah we need speed at the wideout, but also bulk. We’ll need a guy well over 200 pounds and the trio of DHB, Nicks and Britt fill that need, all with specific advantages over the other. I know who I want, hands down, and will post on that in the next day or so.

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 27, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Maclin falls to us

we take him, end of story. That would be ridiculous value and we could address our need for a larger WR in the next few rounds. He would add a new dimension to our special teams.

by DT711 on Mar 27, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly think Maclin is one of the most overrated players in the draft

He doesn’t run routes. He doesn’t block well. He just finds the hole in the zone and moves well with the ball. I actually prefer DHB or Harvin to Maclin and I don’t think highly of them either.

Let another team draft a body, I want to see a player who has proven he can play NFL style football.

by math_geek on Mar 27, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Second that

Right there with you since I started studying on Maclin.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 27, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would still take

Macklin, even though he’s not as high in my mind as others place him, over DHB any day. Speed and versatility over potential, is a deal we all should take, and don’t expect Ozzie to be the homer that so many of us have been regarding DHB.

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 27, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DHB beat Maclin in the speed department

And fills more of a WR need for us. If Maclin is not returning punts for Missouri, I don think we see him as a first round pick.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 27, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't buy it

So 102 catches 1,260 yards and 13 TD’s as a sophomore at 6’1" 200lbs won’t get you a first round grade unless you return punts?

Lets not forget how accomplished this man was in college. He had twice the college career DHB did, granted he had a real QB throwing to him.

by DT711 on Mar 28, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those are definitely godlike numbers.

I just feel that the team that drafts him is going to take into consideration that they have a weakness in the return game.

Listen, if Maclin falls to us, I am all for taking him. Even though I am not that high on Maclin, if Ozzie is and takes him then I will be a huge Maclin fan.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why all the hating on Maclin

I understand why people dont like Harvin, but Maclin? He was a great player, and has great football skills. I would take him over any WR in this draft except Crabtree. After him is Nicks, then DHB. I cannot understand the people who like Britt. He runs a 4.56 40 at the combine, and only has an inch or 2 on nicks. He doesnt havent much polish, and only ranked average in every category on Espn. And he has charachter issues. Maclin on the other hand ranked very highly on the WR categories on ESPN:

Overall Football Traits
Production 1 2006: Maclin is expected to see substantial playing time as a true freshman but sustains a season-ending knee injury during seven-on-seven drill in July. 2007: Maclin starts 12 of the 14 game he appears in catching 80 passes for a total of 1,055 yards and nine touchdowns. He rushes for 375 yards and four touchdowns on 51 carries. Maclin throws two passes and one gets intercepted. He returns 25 punts for a total of 307 yards (12.3 yard avg.) and two touchdowns and 43 kickoffs for a total of 1,039 yards (24.2 yard avg.) and one touchdown. 2008: Maclin starts all 14 games catching 102 passes for a total of 1,260 yards and 13 touchdowns. He rushes for a total of 293 yards and two touchdowns on 40 carries. Maclin returns 23 punts for a total of 270 yards (11.7 yard avg.) and one touchdown and 42 kickoffs for a total of 1,010 yards (24 yard avg.) and one touchdown.

Height-Weight-Speed 2 Adequate-to-good height, adequate bulk and exceptional top-end speed.

Durability 3 Sustained season-ending knee injury in July 2006. Injures left ankle in fourth quarter of 2008 Illinois game and does not return.

Character 2 N/A

Wide Receiver specific Traits

Separation Skills 3 Quick and fast but doesn’t sink hips and explode out of breaks, so is going to have a harder time separating from man coverage at the NFL level. At his best working quick-hitting routes, vertical sideline routes and dragging through zones. But lacks experience versus press technique and has lots to learn in regards to setting up defenders in man-coverage.

Ball Skills 2 Can catch waist-high passes without breaking stride. Does a good job of tracking the ball downfield and can haul in over-the-shoulder catches without breaking stride. Times jumps fairly well and shows above-average body control in the air but doesn’t always extend arms and snatch ball out of the air when going up for jump balls.

Vertical Speed 1 Explodes off the line and has the second gear to run past corners when doesn’t get slowed down at the line of scrimmage.

Run After Catch 1 Fluid turning upfield, can make the first defender miss and reaches top speed quickly. Great instincts and he can spin away from corners after catching the ball with his back to the defense. Reads blocks well and can turn a bubble screen into a long gain in a flash. Can bounce off arm tackles and flashes an effective stiff arm. Coughs the ball up a little too much.

Competitiveness and Toughness 3 Isn’t afraid to go over the middle. Isn’t afraid to launch body and extend ball over pylon. Doesn’t appear to take much pride in blocking and lacks a mean streak. At times runs out of bounds when could fight for a couple extra yards.

by Rayisyourdaddy on Mar 30, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is not really that we do not like him

But I just dont think he is the WR that we are looking for. I admit, he is a great talent, but just isnt the guy we really want to build our offense around. Either way, no way he is there for us at 26, as he is the 2nd best WR in the draft.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea

Pettigrew just doesnt make sense to me anymore now that we have LJ Smith.

He is one hell of a Tight End, but with Sypnewski coming back and LJ and Heap here, we are fine at TE.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 27, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I most likely would take Pettigrew if he falls

Same reason as Maclin, you can’t pass up that kind of value at #26. To get the best TE or the best Returner/WR would be a steal that late in the 1st rd.

by DT711 on Mar 27, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pettigrew is infinitely better than LJ Smith

by math_geek on Mar 27, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

But then we have 4 solid Tight Ends to use.

Getting Pettigrew would make the LJ Smith signing pointless, or if we used LJ, it would make getting Pettigrew pointless.

Cause Heap isnt going anywhere for a while most likely.

We have way bigger needs right now then TE.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 27, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

However, Ozzie

would grab him, as he is the best TE in the entire draft by far and probably way high on the Ravens board. LJ Smith is a pure TE pass catcher and Heap will be on the bubble after this year if we grab Pettigrew, and certainly decent trade bait.

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 27, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

First of all, I think LJ Smith sucks. We signed him to a small 1 year deal. If we cut him, we cut him. There’s not that much guaranteed in the deal.

Second, LJ Smith and Todd Heap really aren’t blockers. Pettigrew is. Pettigrew is someone who can really be a dual threat TE, capable of staying back to block and going out for a pass with both options being effective. Those kinds of players are hard to find, and this team definitely needs skill position players to make our offense click. If that’s a WR, great. But Pettigrew also fills that need.

by math_geek on Mar 28, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MaLoR You Know

Its all about BPA. Oz does not give two shits whther we already have a few TE’s on the roster… If he is the best player on our board, and we clearly don’t have a long term solution or our roster, we will take him and find a way to make it work.

by DT711 on Mar 28, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I am very aware of this. Look at it this way.

Ok, so it gets to our pick. Pettigrew is currently the best player on our board. Nicks and DHB are also available at 26. We can all agree that WR is our glaring weakness on this team.

So, with Pettigrew being our BPA and Nicks and DHB ont he board, do we still take Pettigrew with the 3 solid TE’s we have now, or do we go for the need at WR and take Nicks or DHB?

This is a scenario that could very well happen to. Again, if Ozzie takes Pettigrew, lets go. I am ready to see the man in purple tear it up, cause he is a straight monster.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

Harbaugh said it best in his interview on baltimoresun.com. If there are two players rated closely, you can take the needed player even if he’s rated a little lower. It’s all about setting yourself up for success in the draft by balancing long and short-term success. I would suspect that Pettigrew and Nicks are rated closely (with Pettigrew rated higher), but if they are both available at 26, I still think that they will draft Nicks. That was also my logic in my mock draft.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 28, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harbaugh doesn't make the pick

Ozzie does and he knows a heck of a lot more than Harbaugh ever will about finding the right talent.

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 31, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

…but they work together, and I would hope that they share the same philosophy.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 31, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whereas, Ozzie speaks for Harbaugh

Harbaugh does NOT speak for Oz!

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 31, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I get it if we took Pettigrew. Yes, WR is a little weak right now, but it is more like our passing game and ability to spread the ball is weak more.

So with Pettigrew not being to really fill the need at WR, he would definitely still help us in improving on spreading the ball out.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that...

…but Pettigrew would also help in the running game. He is a devastating blocker. It would be like having an extra tackle that’s also a threat to catch first-downs or touchdowns.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 28, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All great reasons

to add Pettigrew. He is a much better blocker than Heap right now, most likely better at YAC than Heap, and healthier. The other TE’s will be used for specific reasons (2 TE sets, extra pass protection, injuries, etc), but Pettigrew is a three down TE (can you say “bye bye Todd” if we grab him?).

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 29, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

given 2 years of tutoring by me Matt Wieters would be a better QB than Flacco.

by raven on Mar 27, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't be stalking

and sleeping in your car outside of Wieters home, now!

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 28, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda like how Rex Ryan did with Bart Scott?

Ryan is like that ex-boyfriend who just could not let go to the one he loves.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They can both find out

what life w/o Ray is like.

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 29, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ray doesn't have to worry about

any more last second time outs when we stop the runner on fourth down again from Rex! And no Bart to throw the ref’s flag into the stands like a real pro ("boy")!

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 29, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ryan is a slob who couldn’t stop a crap with the game on the line…how many last drives did he blow with his prevent crap..if it weren’t for Leonard’s spear head he’d be just another d-bag. yeah he had the 2nd rated D but thats in large part because we ran the ball well and held onto it longer than most. ray and ed reed. i say Jets go 5-11 and everyone turns on him..lol.

by raven on Mar 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't be surprised at all

if all the other players fail miserably after coming out of Ray’s shadow, why shouldn’t Ryan be different? See Mike Nolan, Marvin Lewis and next….

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 30, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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