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Jets Defense Becoming "Ravens North?"

I don't think so! Many so-called NFL experts have said that the migration of defensive players formerly of the Baltimore Ravens that followed former Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan to the New York Jets will turn them into a replica of the defense that made Baltimore one of the league's best over the past nine years. They base this opinion on the recent signings of LB Bart Scott, S Jimmy Leonhard and probably, although not officially signed CB Corey Ivy.
Ryan says he will bring the same style of what was known as "Organized Chaos" to New York, and some sports talk hosts have even said they will one of the best defenses in the NFL righ off the bat.
Not so fast, says me. Just because you sign a couple of good players off the #2 defense in the league, one who played in the shadow and benefited from the best MLB in the league, one who only got his chance through injury, and a possible third who only played in obvious passing situations does not a top defense make. Sure, these guys will help and the leadership and defensive system will probably improve the Jets defense, but to automatically place them near the top of the league is absolutely ridiculous. There also is a thing called chemistry that make a huge difference, as does actually having the players to succeed in whatever system you install.
Ryan can bring his defensive playbook, schemes and whomever he wants to follow him to New York, but if you don't have the horses to run in the race, your gameplanning will just not have the expected results. The chemistry and players that made this Ravens defense feared throughout the league still remain in Baltimore, regardless of the loss of Ryan and a couple of the pieces. As long as we still have Ray Lewis in the middle, we will be among the best that any opponents offense faces this season. Ray Ray, combined with Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs and Haloti Ngata will survuve just fine without those other players, who will find life a bit more difficult and less successful without opposing offenses gameplanning away from #52.
The Jets will still have to overcome an offense that is way less "offensive" than even the Ravens, especially with the improvement and continuing potential of Joe Flacco and the rest of the offense. The Baltimore Ravens will once again be a force on defense, while the Jets will once again go into the season with a ton of question marks, regardless of the rookie head coach's success with his former team.
The NFL Network is right now interviewing the voice of Ravens TV football, Gerry Sandusky, who feels this defense is very portable and will be as good, if not even better than last year. He does, however, go on to say that Rex Ryan will significantly amp up the Jets defense to a level not seen in the AFC East. He also said the Ravens had no interest in TO, despite the grumblings of WR Derrick Mason.
Pittsburgh Steelers WR Hines Ward is now on screen being interviewed by the NFL Network's Rich Eisen, so please excuse me while I go regurgitate my breakfast!

 

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Imitation is the best form of flattery.

This off-season has really shown me how highly regarded the Ravens defense is around the league. Teams had a feeding frenzy on the Ravens free agents. Ozzie has to be the best talent evaluator in the nation. I know he’s been getting alot of love lately, but I just can’t help it. Jason Brown was a fourth round pick and now he’s the highest paid center in the NFL. Bart Scott was undrafted and now he just signed a $50 million contract. Jim Leonard was cut last season and now he’s regarded as a play-maker.

This gives me alot of hope for the future. If we can turn an undrafted player into a solid starter and a fourth-round pick into the best center in the league, then imagine what we can do with guys like Tavares Gooden, a third-round pick out of Miami.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 12, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And zibby and Naka

Those guys should be pro bowlers in about 2-3 years! lol

FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Benji5203 on Mar 12, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea man

And I love the fact that a lot of people think that we are royally screwed because Scott is gone now. They keep saying we HAVE to draft a linebacker in the first round now just because of Scott. What they do not realize is that the last in since 1998, the only linebackers taken by the Ravens in the first 2 rounds were Terrell Suggs and Dan Cody. Scott, undrafted, Adalius was drafted in the 6th round as a Def. End! Ed Hartwell, 4th round.

You know what happened to all those guys who were supposed to not even be a factor in the NFL, they got ridiculous contracts after playing beside Ray. Where is Hartwell now? Who knows. Is Adalius still considered to be THE BEST ALL-AROUND defensive player in the league like he was in 2006? Hell no, not even close. Bart Scott, sorry bro, but you will be 29 this coming season. I think your days are behind you man. You got maybe 2 more solid years before you start slowing down.

Oh yea, our other starting OLB, Jarrest Johnson, another defensive end, drafted in the 4th round. What is he doing now, playing next to Ray Ray.

I see no signs of this trend stopping. If guys taken in the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds and even undrafted, some of which converted from DE to LB, why cant we use Gooden, Barnes, or McClaine as our next star LB next to Ray?

The ones who only look at the “now” and not the past and see the trend we got going, those are the below average football fans who think WE HAVE TO draft a LB in the first or 2nd round just because we lose Bart Scott. Tell me we should have drafted Laurinitis after Gooden is second on team in tackles next year.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 12, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

more picks for higher picks seems to be the rule of the day in Ozzie world

by raven on Mar 14, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea they are gonna make a hugeeeee splash

With what QB?? Sure, they made their defense a tad bit better, but the Ravens defense is one of a kind, with or without rex and those other guys. I cannot blame Rexx for trying to take what was successful here, but Scott is not going to be Ray, Gholston is no where close to Suggs. Rhodes and Revis and those other guys are no Reed, Dawan, or Fabian.

And most of all, Jenkins is no Ngata. Sure, Jenkins made the pro bowl, but go head and ask Rex who the best D-Tackle in the game is. I bet it takes him a little while to kiss ass to the Jets and be forced to say Jenkins.

Sorry Rex, but we can tell that you have not even given one thought of who is going to play the most important on your team, QUARTERBACK! Kellen Clemons??? Come on man.

Go ahead, draft Mark Sanchez or Josh Freeman, but this is one of the worst years for a QB to be drafted. There is no Matt Ryans and there is certainly no Joe Flaccos.

Sorry again Rex, but you are going to be fighting to avoid getting last place in the AFC Easy next year with the Dolphins.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 12, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now that Fabian is with us

I think he turns out to be one of the best CB’s in the game. Revis right now is better and is only in his 2nd year, but what I was trying to get at was that we have a better 2ndary than the Jets do, even with the addition of Leonhard and Sheppard.

I think the addition of Foxworth could benefit us alot this coming season.

I will take Foxworth, Landry, Reed, Washington over Sheppard, Rhodes, Smith, Revis

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 12, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes but...

Revis is a STUD. He is an up and coming top young corner in the league. Rhodes is nice too. But as a whole I would too take the Ravens DB’s. They are going to be nasty next year. Our speed at CB is going to allow Reed to take more chances. Can you say DPOY?

by DT711 on Mar 12, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was already thinking that.

Reed was coming on strong toward the end of the season. We simply destroyed quarterbacks that weren’t prepared. He has a very good chance to have a career year (especially if he’s healthy), and a career year for Ed Reed is definitely DPOY potential.

by BAL_Hawk on Mar 12, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

15 Interceptions

It really could be a possibility. With the right pass rush, those guys just give it to Reed. If he can get what was it, like 10 in the last 7 games total we played, I could really see him with 15 interceptions next year.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 12, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either that

Or teams seriously consider not throwing anything toward the middle of the field. Either way works for me.

by DT711 on Mar 12, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Revis a stud?

He may be quality, but no, not a stud. Besides a CB is only as good as the pass rush in front of them. Watch how the drop off is with someone like Bryant McFadden now that he doesn’t have the vaunted Steeler pass rush forcing the opposing QB’s to release the ball into coverage way too early.

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 12, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides a CB is only as good as the pass rush in front of them?

The Radiers must have the best passrush in the league cause nnamdi shutsdown every WR he faces.

FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Benji5203 on Mar 12, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Nhamdi (sp?)

just didn’t get tested too much last year as most teams thru away from him. But he still is the best and one of the biggest CB’s in the league. So there always is a freak here and there and he’s the great exception to the pass rush theory.

Okay Benji!?

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 12, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Revis is a Stud - At least in my opinion

Other then Nmadi, he might be the best young corner. He locks down the other teams #1WR. Check out his splits vs top WR’s. If you don’t think he’s legit, give it another year. In Rex’s D he’s sure to blow up.

by DT711 on Mar 13, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its not a big loss

players have been coming and going from the ravens defense ever since the ravens came to baltimore in 96. only ray ray has ever stayed and he is the reason these other guys even seem so good. he makes the people around him better. bart scott will do good in new york, but no where near how good he was in baltimore. and leonard, i think hes a one hit wonder. i think he can only play good when he was under the leadership of ray lewis. he doesnt have that now, so good luck jim. and corey ivy, honestly who cares.

i do hope that one of the other backers steps up to the position next to ray, gooden and mcclain in particular. but if ozzie does decide to draft a linebacker first round, i hope he goes for laurinitas or at least trades up for maualuga. they would be great. but i doubt he will

by Ravens4Life on Mar 12, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry,

Larinitis is just not Ravens material, in that he’s a sure tackler but speed is a big issue for him.

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 12, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats not what im saying

i like laurinitas and i know his issues. im not sayin ozzie absolutely needs to grab him, im saying if ozzie decides to grab a backer in the first round, laurinitas is just who he will probably go for. if he doesnt decide to grab a backer first round, oh well. im good with whoever ozzie grabs. i dont doubt him one bit

by Ravens4Life on Mar 13, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Jets simply had taken our players

and didn’t also have Rex Ryan, then I would say they have no chance in creating a Defense like the Ravens. I, and I realize that this may sound crazy, think that the Jets are perfect for Rex. He is a defensive minded coach. If he can get defensive production out of the team, his hiring will be a success. Since he has no QB, he isn’t going to get blamed if the offense tanks this year. By going to the Jets, all the expectations are on him making a splash with the D. Its the perfect setup for him not to get fired right away. All he has to do is achieve with his strong suit.

I think Rex will find success in New York if he can create the same style of team like the Steelers and the Ravens…only problem…he sure as hell doesn’t have the front office like we and Pittsburgh do.

"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."

by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 12, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point

His D is going to be good. He has some serious players…

Jenkins is a monster, so is Revis and Rhodes. Harris is an up and coming LB. Throw in a lil’ Jimmy and Scott and they will be tough on D. Offense will be another story, although I have a feeling Leon Washington breaks out in a big way next year.

He will most likely get a few years grace period if the Offense sucks. People will expect his D to be nice from day one.

Between Rex in NY, Owens on the Bills, and the Tom Brady knee infection saga, the AFC East just got really interesting. All I know for sure is that the Dolphins are going to get pieced by that schedule. Other then that anything could happen.

by DT711 on Mar 12, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do like their defense to

And I like Rex, but he is the enemy now. I will be rooting for the Jets a lot, especially when they play NE and Miami. And I like that he has a very young defense to work with.

One thing I think you guys are forgetting is their 1st round draft pick from last year, Vernon Gholtson. He did not shine like the 6th selection he was should have, but the man is a freakish athlete. Like, he has potential to be Adalius Thomas from 2006. And when you are that good of an athlete around Rex Ryan, you are going to succeed. I was on the Gholston band wagon from the day he hit the combine and hope to see that man flourish. If he blows up like he is supposed to, their defense will become top 5 for years…

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 12, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who's gonna score the points

old thomas jones, washington, cotchery??
i knew he could fix the D –
(i’m sure ozzie will fill the gaps left – the jets have one of the worst front offices consistanly in the league – i would sleep happier if our GM was as good as the ravens)

lets see if he can fix the O

by ejg on Mar 12, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree to an extent

that Rex will bring a style to the Jets defense that the other teams in the AFC East are not used to (just look how the Dolphins rolled over when we brought the “chaos!”).

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 12, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

wasn’t marvin lewis supposed to bring the defense with him to the bengals and nolan was gonna bring it to the niners and it stayed here. I like Rex and wish him the best but taking some role players doesn’t constitute our entire d he will have to do some re-tooling and drafting. I also love how there are anaylist talking like the bills are hot stuff with t.o. does anyone else see them living in the basement next year

by Ravens420 on Mar 13, 2009 7:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but also look at those front offices....

Jesus himself couldn’t work with either of those owners. Mike Brown is arguably the worst Owner/GM in the history of the NFL. Since the Niners had their success and their ownership changed hands, its been a mess. Now the Jets aren’t the Steelers or Pats front office…but they aren’t in the bottom half of the league in my mind. I think that is a huge difference for Rex, he hasn’t gone to a terrible, f-d up team.

The amount of benefit that comes to a team from a wide receiver is hugely overrated in my mind. Add in his age and his attitude…well I guess at least it got word to the rest of the league that the Bills haven’t moved to Canada yet. I don’t see this working out at all.

"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."

by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 13, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Jets are a lot closer to winning than either of those teams

The Niners and Bengals were and still are woeful. the Jets were almost a playoff team last year and the retirement of Favre will almost be an example of addition by subtraction. Favre was done last year and either of the Jets current QB’s will only improve over the season. A little solid offense and they will compete in the AFC East. Remember what we did with a rookie QB on offense?

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 13, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marvin

His scheme was good, but it was all about the players he had here. We had unbelievable talent on our D with him here… With the Bengals he had horrible talent on Def by comparison. I don’t care how good your system is, in the NFL you can’t win without talent. Rex seems to have a lot more talent on the Jets D, plus I think he is a better fit to be a head coach. Marvin has no cojones and lost a ton of credibility within his first few years as HC.

by DT711 on Mar 13, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It’s all about the chemistry which just doesn’t “travel” just because a good coach/coordinator moves on.

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 13, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have you watched ray lewis play

rexx, the jets are the jets and something will always go wrong for them but to think that Baltimores defense will be what it was is also naive. The losses to the jets will hurt that defense and your judgements on the players can’t be considered to be as good as their own coach , who paid them a lot of money to move. As for Ray Lewis who didn’t get stolen away by anybody, maybe you should think about why. He seemed very ineffective against Pitts burg except for his one big hit., consistantly a step behind the play when he was able to get in position . On the one sweep he helped stop he made a good play but the old Ray would have created a 5 yard loss and tons of momentum. Unfortunately all great players slow down and for one how relies on his speed it can be the toughest adjustment. The ravens will not have as good a defense or season this year not only because of the changes but they face a tougher schedule , not a last place teams like last year.

by gangof4 on Mar 13, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tough schedule?

Lions, Green Bay, Chicago, Oakland, Kansas City, Denver. Bengals Twice, Browns twice.

That should be 10 wins right there. We will take a game from Pitt, and got the Colts at Home. Only games I am really worried about is San Diego, New England, and Pitt on the road. To say we will have a worse record than last year is wrong. Flacco now has a full season under his belt and knows what it takes to get back to the playoffs. Our defense will be younger and faster now. We lost one starter from our defense. You really think Bart Scott is going to make our defense go from #2 to like #10. Hell no.

This team got better by losing some of last years guys.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 13, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong

Our schedule is much easier next year then it was in 2008. Look at the numbers. MaLoR has layed it out quite nicely for you below.

Also, maybe Rex Ryan signed those guys b/c he couldn’t sign our stars. There was no way we could have kept all these guys and I trust Ozzie’s talent evaluation more then Rex. Our D has not missed a beat in 10 years, and I fully expect us to be a top 5 unit next year.

Ray did slow down towards the end of last season, but we also played 19 games, the last 18 of them without a bye week. I think most players would tire from that, especially a veteran LB.

Lastly, your question asking whether we have watched Ray play? I think most of the main posters here, have watched every game at least once and usually numerous times in addition to the highlights and game film we all watch in our free time. It is fine to expect him to decline but the man is still a monster. If you want to believe he is going to fall off a cliff next year, be my guest. The reason he had little interest elsewhere in the league is b/c Ray has exponentially more value to the Ravens then any other team. So why would any other team offer him what we did?

by DT711 on Mar 13, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your last paragraph makes it sound like I should be doing homework on the Ravens. I watch each game once, usually getting plastered in the process, then call it quits till the following Sunday. I’m a bad, bad Ravens fan.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Mar 13, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes u are

I must have watched the Dallas game highlights 20-30 times in a 2 hour period right when they came out.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 13, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might have

Exaggerated a bit, but I was trying to prove a point, you know?

by DT711 on Mar 14, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like we need the serious introspection of people like DT711 to offset the poor arguments of people like raven and myself.

So back off, man!

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Mar 14, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats a cupcake schedule for sure…we should be able to concentrate on the Steelers.
its a 2 team race again. no excuse for getting swept.

by raven on Mar 14, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sandusky’s a nerd and it’s sad he’s the spokesman for our team. he’s so friggin contrived and captain obvious. i hate when he tries to create some sort of rhyme or witty comment for a simple play- “It’s a wee willy walk into the end zone for McScore McClaine. Ahhh, how he took it to the money zone with little to no resistance from a sleepy weepy defense. Oh how sweet it is to be a Raven’s fan from Baltimore this fine Sunday afternoon at 3:30PM in the warmth of a golden fall day…..”

by raven on Mar 14, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

uhhh, it’s not fall, it’s still winter, although close to spring. But fall? No.

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 14, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Browns fan here..

Looks like the ravens are going to become undone with rex ryan leaving and taking half your defense with him…the browns may be able to win 2 games this year afterall..hehehehe

by geets on Mar 14, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Half our defense?

So Bart Scott was half our defense? Cause he was the only starter we lost from our defense. Jim Leonhard only looked good in our system and next to Ed Reed. We have 2 younger Safeties who can play just as well. You will not beat us next year, not even once. Half our defense…..give me a break. We got stronger by losing people. We are now the fastest team in the AFC North.

I say that you guys are gonna sign Chris McAlister, Samari Rolle, and Matt Stover once he is officially cut. Wanting to be like us, just like you have been in the past.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 14, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Half our defense?

are you kidding me?! Half our defense?Come on!!!!!!

by 52 rule on Mar 14, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude

If your a browns fan, why are you on here?

by 52 rule on Mar 14, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It gets depressing being a Browns fan, so they like to hang out around teams that win more than half their games. Don’t worry, though. You’ll get used to the stench.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Mar 14, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I thought it was the old broccoli in my trash can!

Rexx

by Rexx on Mar 14, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes it’s hard to tell. But nobody holds it against you.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Mar 14, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scott overrated

The Jets will be very surprised at Bart Scott. Just watch replays of the Ravens-Titans or Ravens-Steelers games this year and watch as Scott misses tackle after tackle when isolated on running backs and receivers in the flat. Chris Johnson is still running after juking Scott flat on his face. He was the most overrated Raven, and I am glad we did not chase that large contract. Gooden, McClain, Barnes, or Burgess will battle for this position or take over OLB spot and move JJ inside.

by rvnmaniak on Mar 22, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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