Packers Outlast Ravens
by Bruce Raffel on Dec 8, 2009 12:18 AM EST
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Trying to be nice about it with the title of this post, but "outlast" might not have been the most accurate word to describe the way the Baltimore Ravens lost 27-14 tonight. With almost as many penalty yards as offense, the Ravens were given a couple of gifts in the form of pass interference penalties in the end zone that gave them the ball at the one yard line. However, they still only managed one TD with that field position, thanks to the 4th Red Zone interception in a close game that the team could have won but lost. Once again, the Ravens fail to beat a playoff contender when the game was on the line. Not since the early part of the season have the Ravens even looked like a playoff team andtonight the Packers exposed their weaknesses time and time again.
With Packer QB Aaron Rodgers seeing poor coverage schemes and exploiting them, the Ravens lack of a pass rush came back to haunt them like everyone said it would. The game would be based on the Ravens ability to harass Rodgers and they could not get to him and he made them pay. There is a huge difference between these two teams and perhaps the only thing they do have in common is the embarrassing amount of penalties that had this game the second most combined penalty game in NFL history.
Perhaps it is time to stop with all the post season talk for the Ravens. They are now on the outside looking in, tied with enough teams to have to rely on others to help them get in. Even if they did, they'd most likely be one and done,as their offense is so vanilla and the defense has so many holes that not even Ed Reed and Terrell Suggs could have made the difference tonight.
No, once again, when they started so poorly and were shut out in the first half, they had a chance to come back from a 17 point deficit until Joe Flacco threw them out of the game with another poor Red Zone interception. His mistakes in this game, be it the decision to throw when he shouldn't have, or not throw when he should have, cost the team the chance to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Unfortunately, Flacco's poor decision-making mean that this team is exactly what their record states they are, and at 6-6, that is just an average team - at best.
More tomorrow.
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Based on this, I say...
…IR Suggs and Reed to keep them healthy for next year, as their return will not put us in the playoffs. Give some of the other guys a chance to show us what they got, such as Justin Harper, Kruger, Zbikowski, etc. The Ravens looked old, slow and uninterested in speeding up their game to get more plays in and get up to the line of scrimmage. My son, who is really not a football fan, asked me “why weren’t they hurrying late in the game?”
Ouch.
aka 'Rexx'
Tough loss, but felt better than yesterday when I was rooting for the Falcons
Pack just had a good night
plus wo Suggs and Reed Ravens D just was not the same
and of course, Joe made a few mistakes …
Actually, the Packers had a rather off night, some of which can be attributed to the Ravens. An inordinate amount of drops, penalty epidemic and special teams miscues (a recurring theme for the Pack), trouble running the ball, an uncharacteristic 3 turnovers (almost 4 if not for instant replay on the Grant near-fumble).
Godspeed...
1. Flacco is not a red zone qb
2. McGahee did something very very stupid
3. Rice fumbled in a pace setting drive
4. Heap is done
5. The lob pass is not a good play.
6. Play calling on 1st and goal on the 1 is easy-run, run, run, run. If you can’t get 3 feet you can go home saying you lost to a better team. If Flacco dove under his center 3 times it’s a score. The WORST thing you can do is bump it outside at that distance. Unreal.
7. Ray shows off his might with another PF.
8. DB’s and R’s Get your hands off the other player. Play the ball. Stupid players.
9. Mason gets another unsportsmanlike.
10. Cam has no continuity. He establishes no facet of the offense.
We are still in the hunt so everyone must play. I wish we were out of it so I could move on from this train wreck.
by raven on Dec 8, 2009 12:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
And 1 yard to the goal, why did we not use McClain? The monster would have done the job.
They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
Notice
I believe McClain did not get one single carry all game!
Also, why wasn’t Ngata in the backfield instead of on the line, which makes a huge difference and besides, they scored with him as the fullback, so why change what works Cam!?
aka 'Rexx'
"5. The lob pass is not a good play."
Keep it in the playbook for when you come to Pittsburgh. Bruce “the mad lobber” gradkowski showed how it’s done. Pathetic. I feel like you ravens with self-deprecating posts like this, but I had to.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
raven
Perhaps the most complete summary of a game I have ever seen, and agree with every single point.
aka 'Rexx'
Thanks Bruce and sorry for the F bomb last night. I get carried away with loses- stupid loses. There was some incredibly dumb play calling matched by numb nuts Flacco’s throws. What does the guy see. His INT’s aren’t even close to the receivers. Something very wrong with his game vision. His long throws fall short over 1/2 the time as well. This happened last year. He was over-rated last year but successful BECAUSE we RAN the ball using McClaine as the feature back. I thought we could do that again and then use Rice as Mr. All Purpose. Let McClaine soften the D-line and then swing Rice left and right. Willis would be fresh legs for the 4th quarter and nothing more.
McClaine avegeraged over 6 yards a carry against Pitt. I wish we had a credible TE that could get some game time and get ready to replace Heap. While Mason is a very good receiver, I am turned off by his unsportsmanlike penalties- even though he has good cases. He does get held a ton without flags. But, a veteran just can’t cost his team 15.
Ozzie did a poor job this off season. I can’t understand who scouted Foxworth and thought he was a starter. With Ozzie being a local guy, maybe he’s friends with his parents? Foxy can’t tackle, he’s weak, he’s small, he shys away from contact and he’s not the answer. That miss tackle at the goal line was an embarrassment.
Kelly Washington continues to impress with his limited looks. He’s got confidence. Hasn’t cost us 15 and saves us on 3rd and longs. He deserves some of Clayton’s passes and all of Heaps. He should be used as a better TE than Heap. Heap doesn’t exactly light it up as a blocker. No loss there.
Well, Ray can’t live threw another rebuilding so it is said to see him go out without another Championship. This was the year to put it together- even with a sophomore QB. Ed is taking his lumps these days and I’m not sure how long he can perform at a high level. Like Troy P., they made the most out of their early years. We missed the receiver and DB boat this year. That would have been enough to take the division. 2 players. It would have been a good year to trade/release Heap, not give Sluggs that money and keep an established kicker. To go into a possible playoff year with unknowns at DB, kicker and 3rd receiver turned out to be fatal and set us back another year.
We should take 3 of 4 to ride this out. It may or may not be enough. But, considering last night was a most win and that was the best Flacco and Cam could offer, I am flat out discouraged.
Bench Flacco
Bench Willis if it was his decision to go outside on the 1st and goal from the 1.
Put in Beck.
Time to Reload for next season. I say we go ahead and keep fighting the rest of the year. If we don’t make it in to the playoffs, Reload on offense and defense, and by reload, I mean fire MAttison and maybe even cam, Cut Walker and Carr and maybe even Foxworth if 2010 is an uncapped season and bulid thorugh the Draft. CB, DE/LB, or WR is what we should be looking for in F/A and the draft. I say we get the pass rusher in F/A and matbe the CB, but we need to draft a WR or two. Hell, i’ll even take a TE. Just give us someone who can get open and catch the ball!
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bench the coaches
Who is calling the plays? Doesn’t Harbaugh know how the clock works?
Well he is coming for philly
The same team whose QB didn’t even know that a game can end in over time.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
i cant read any of this too annoyed, no football till late tomorrow
this lose sucks, typical ravens loss with a heavy dose of WTF
You guys looking forward to the draft yet?
Seems like everyone at BTSC is already, but really both of our teams still have a realistic chance of making the play-offs.
I hope we lose to Detroit next week
I really do. I want to see this team suffer as much as possible so then we can wake up and address flaws rather than load our team with LB and O-Lineman.
Shit, shit and more shit. Flacco is clueless out there. Hope he gets hurt and Troy finishes the season.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Dont be so glum Malor!
Gotta say I really expected a better reaction from you.
At least we only hope our OC gets hurt, like in a car accident. Flacco is not THAT bad. At least not yet. Just a bad year for the AFCN.
Temporary Saints fan.
Dont tell me how to act
Pathetic, pathetic and even more pathetic. You guys will beat us 50-0.
Sorry for yesterday, I just finished eating my crow and cant talk right now as my mouth is full.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I saw better QBing when i played pee wee in 4th grade
I hope Flacco doesnt complete a pass the rest of the year and we draft Tim Tebow. At least that man has some fire to win.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Thanks for joining us in the open threads
You are a respectable Steeler fan. I deserve more harassment from you.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I agree with Mr MaLoR!
Only good thing about tonite was the food we had here. I will post a video at YouTube tomorrow from my little get together here. Did you see what the GB fans did when the Ravens tried the leap? I told you they don’t like that! I will still wear my purple to show I still support my team. I’m a tiny speck of purple in a sea of green and cheeseheads here!!
Hey, were you there Bruce? I saw no purple cheesehead hats in the stands.
Lonely Ravens fan in Cheese Head country (Watertown, WI)
No, luckily didn't go
but met someone at a local restaurant who was going up there in a rented RV with purple cheeseheads. Thanks god I didn’t make that worthless trip.
aka 'Rexx'
"Shit, shit and more shit. Flacco is clueless out there. Hope he gets hurt and Troy finishes the season.
ah this is music to my ears, no matter how horrible the season is going this makes me feel better
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
You can expect more
After we play you. If you have Troy back and when the game is flexed to Sunday Night Football, you are going to embarrass us. At least in the most of the games you guys have lost, you actually looked like you were definitely going to win them.
In all of the Ravens losses this year, I have not had faith once in them coming back to win.
I could see us losing to you 38-10
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I guess that's worse
My office has plenty of gators fans and we were all salty on Monday. Both of us root for reigning champions. Both got our title hopes destroyed this weekend. I’m at peace because the pathetic secondary play I saw this Sunday makes me think it’s over. There’s no way these guys could stop Manning or Brees. The pressure just isn’t there to help either. It was painful to revise my expectations.
The gator people didn’t see it that way. They, like tebow, believed they were destined to win again this year. Reality totally bitch-slapped these people. They deserve it too. And the FSU people are too dazed and confused right now to even enjoy it.
You guys are all too emotional. Too up and down, like your team. Not an insult, just an observation.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Malor you were right
When Pittsburgh lost you said it made your day. Waking up to see your despair is quite enjoyable, especially after all that gloating you and that “19 year old with the IQ of a 10 year old” did. You suck, we suck.
Wall of Shame
-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27
-Mike Tomlin's idea of "Unleashing Hell"
"especially after all that gloating you and that "19 year old with the IQ of a 10 year old" did."
are you hanging out with bengals fans now?
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
At least let Troy build up his trade value against the Lions and Bears so we can get something for him.
If you are Biscotti, does that 1st and goal play at the 1 sound MAJOR alarms about his O-coord.. To me that is the nail in the coffin about a coach. Anything but run up the gut is core rotten coaching. If that was Cams decision to bump that run outside, I will officially write him off as a Billick. Billick had Jamal to feed off and Flacco and Cam have Rice to suck blood from. take these food sources away and we have panic.
You might think i'm crazy
but we’d have a better record this year with Smith at the helm.
Our corners are total shit.
We’ll still make the playoffs, but we’ll likely lose in round 1.
Smith- his legs and agility alone would have given us a few more wins. I am not sure Troy could match Rivers in SD though. Troy is a good AFC North QB where games are tight and the run should be emphasized. Run a few fake hand offs to Rice with Troy and he could pretty much walk around the ends. I’m not sold on Troy but I cant see him making as many red zone mistakes as Flacco. I though the Colts INT by Flacco wasa the bottom of the barrel. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper. Actually, I thought Flacco’s INT in the Championship game to Troy was the bottom of the barrel. It seems that very HUGE series late in the game has Joe throwing a pick. When he threw that first one against Tenn. last year that was walked into the end zone, I said UH OH. When he threw the last one at the end of that game I saw problems. Essentially, he hasn’t learned from the second game of last season or whenever that was. His stats are totally inflated because of Rice. Take away Mason’s unbelievable season last year and knack for the 8 yard curl and I am not sure what Flacco could have done. Hate to dog the guy but man he’s killing the fans and his team.
Puh-lease!
Stop with the Troy Smith stuff- I thought we were done with that in pre season! Troy is not only not getting reps here, he is most likely gone after this year or next at least. Trust me, they won’t be lining up at his door, other than Cleveland perhaps!
aka 'Rexx'
It’s 1 am and the heavy drinking begins. Kentucky Gentleman and apple schnops. My goal tonight is to wake up with my shoes still on, then go to class at 8am, hopefully not remembering what the fuck happened tonight.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
why do you schedule classes at 8AM? That's JP stuff
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
dont’ drink man. your selling youself short. you’ve got 1 chance to get it right in college and set yourself up for life. don’t waste that on poison. your future family is counting on you.
Lol
What really makes me laugh is that at halftime, you know Ray Lewis told the locker room “We are going to win this game”
Love that he only admits he says this after a win.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Ray was right
We were on our way to winning this game, just like we were on our way to winning the NE game, the first Cincy game and the Indy game until when? Until Joe threw another Red Zone interception. Ray was right, Joe was wrong.
aka 'Rexx'
The league needs to do something about this pass interference bullshit
And this is not a complaint for the Ravens or anything. There were like 15 of these calls tonight on both sides. About 3-4 of them against the packers, I didn’t even complain about when they happened cause I actually thought it was good coverage on their part.
It seems like now if there is ANY contact what so ever, it is automatic. And for how light some of these calls were tonight against both teams, having them be 30,40,50 yard gains is a disgrace for the image of this league.
There was even an offensive pass interfernce against Mason! The make it seem like now that the defender or what ever is supposed to let the guy catch it then tackle him.
What a pussy league it is today. Pretty soon, it will be two hand touch.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
So agree
My son, the one who is not a football fan, said the game has been so pussified by the rules and the refs. Even the arm bar in the end zone wasn’t called on Clayton but the touching and hand touching gets called more on the football field than it does in elementary school hallways!
aka 'Rexx'
Your son needs to blog on here. We’ll keep the bad words off. It would be funny to have little Bruce blasting the Ravens and keeping dad out of the Castle too.
We need a new TE
Todd Butterfingers-McGee isn’t really working out.
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Hey Steelers fans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOphGZZrE44&feature=related
by Baltimore Warrior on Dec 8, 2009 6:40 AM EST reply actions
welcome to the shit
6-6
Man I started watching in the third QTR at 17-0 and of course the ravens immediately rattle off 14 points in 30 seconds. I had to turn it off to give the Pack any chance at a win. I couldn’t believe it when I woke up and SC says the Pack wins! Yeah! If I can’t get a win (> one month for steelers fans) I’ll take a primetime loss by a rival.
Malor, is it a great day in Maryland today?
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
It actually is a great day in Maryland today
On my way back from class about 20 minutes ago, I saw some stupid blonde talking so loud on her iphone with her headphones in, drop her phone right in a puddle. Then I went to the dining hall to get some fruit, and I paid with with a 5 dollar bill and somehow got a 10 dollar bill back.
Life is great today.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Reset!
Wow. I can’t believe what I just saw. The Ravens are broken everywhere on both sides of the ball. I knew we had problems but Wow. We need to press Ctrl-Alt-Del and reboot. We looked like the 07 Ravens with Boler and Billick. Well, maybe we’ll loose the rest of the games and get a higher draft pick. That way Ozzy can draft another RB or LB. Or we can wait and pick up more cast offs like Carr and Foxworth and pay them big $. Wow, I just cant beleive this is the same team that was putting up 30+ points per game at the beginning of the season. Hit the reset button!
I hopwe the Lions destroy us 54-0
When Chuck Norris dives into water he doesn't get wet, The water gets Chuck Norris.
Chuck Norris has counted to infinity....... Twice.
When God said let there be light, Chuck Norris said," Say Please."
Chuck Norris can sneeze with his eyes open.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Hey Steelers fans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOphGZZrE44&feature=related
by Baltimore Warrior on Dec 8, 2009 7:07 AM EST reply actions
What's that line...
don’t get too low in the lows, don’t get to high with the highs. Jesus Christ people…you all are acting like it’s a shock the Raven’s lost or something. Have you not watched any football this year? And saying that Joe Flacco should be injured so Troy finishes the year is just retarded. Please…someone tell me….what game this year showed you that the Ravens were a playoff team? Was it during any of the games that we lost to a quality opponent with a winning record? Or maybe where we had to outlast the Chiefs at home? Or perhaps that “great” win against a broken down Steelers that are also on a rebound season. The Ravens are where they are supposed to be. We are not a playoff team. We weren’t week six, we aren’t now, and we won’t be at the end of the season. Jesus just grow up….
"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"
Thank you.
Every week the members of this blog do the same thing. Like UMBC Oriole Fan said we are nothing more than a .500 team this year. Instead of losing our minds lets continue playing Flacco in hope of some improvement in the closing weeks of the season.
I can't help it!
I’m a purple bleeding fan and even though I think I know football my loyalty blinds me as well as so many other fans. This is nothing other than an average team. Yes we will beat Detroit and perhaps even Chicago, but then we go into Pittsburgh and lay another dud and may or may not win at Oakland. So that’s either 9-7 or 8-8, which is the type of team we are. Average, nothing more.
aka 'Rexx'
Not a playoff team?
How can you say that when we went to the Championshiop game last year at 11-5. Aren’t we supposed to get better not worse? I don’t accept the backing down from “not a playoff team”. We have enough players to AT LEAST make the playoffs. What we are seeing is poor decison making by Flacco and Cam. Both have plenty of experience. Flacco has about 38 games and 2 years of NFL practice against a very good D under his belt. What he did last night and many times this year is a talent issue. This team lost games.
Flacco is a major part of this team
And even though the WR situation does not help, Joe tries to make it work when he knows he cant and costs us big games.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Flacco is going to be good
They call it the sophomore jinx for a reason. It is that strange netherworld between playing from your gut with no real pressure to succeed and the 3rd year when things become clearer. The guy is trying very hard and has a lot of pressure. I heard last night that he knows just enough to get himself in trouble. Similar things happened to Brady and Manning. Most teams who are said to be great, the Steelers of the 70’s and the Niners of the 90’s lasted 10 years and stepped back. A great combination of players starts to age and it is a crap shoot bringing in replacements. Your run started the same time as the Steelers run and both teams have solid units that are starting to age. 10 years of low round draft picks will do that to you. It may take a couple of years for both teams to reload and get back to where they were. The key is to not throw the baby out with the bath water and rebuild 2-3 players a year and with the influx of new younger talent combined with seasoned veterans grow another team that can last another 10 years. The Patriots are seeing the same thing and so will the Colts in another ouple of years. It iust the way of football in the NFL. You had a great run. Now you need to rebuild for another one. But you are still in the hunt. You will need to play better to get there but, hey, I am a Bengals. I won’t try to bury either the Ravens or Steelers till they are dead. Even then I will wait a week or so just to make sure.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
Thanks for trying JJ, but...
….Both Joe and Big Ben went to the AFCCG their first year. However, Ben won the SB the next year while Joe is not going anywhere and you can try to put the blame on the defense but as bad as they’re playing they still have been position to win the games that he’s throwing the momentum killing RZ INT’s in!
aka 'Rexx'
Flacco will be a 15 TD 14 INT QB for the rest of his career unless Ozzie does something to help that. But we all know how that is going to go. We will draft WR, but it will be 4th and 5th round picks who are 5’10" and also draft TE who have no football IQ and can’t even catch a cold (Davon Drew)
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
My thoughts Raven friends....
The game turned out exactly as I had predicted (I predicted 31-17 in my earlier posts I think) with the Ravens D not being able to put any pressure on Rodgers, who wasn’t even on his best day. This defense has a lot of holes as it is, and without Ed Reed would have been even tougher. I agree that most of the PI penalties were BS but I still think that the Ravens benefited equally, if not more, than the Packers from the penalties. So the score could have been 17-7 or something. Still the Ravens did not show anything on offense that they are able to go deep.
Forget about your defensive problems. This offense is very one dimensional. If you neutralize Rice, the Ravens cannot advance the ball. I am sorry, but Flacco is not very good. It’s not just last night, but I have some problems with his decision making. To his credit he doesn’t have many playmakers in the WR/TE dept with the exception of Mason, but the jury is still out on the kid. The floating pass for INT in the redzone looked really bad. That was the ballgame.
I still think the Ravens will be a #6 seed in the AFC. They can run the table, or even win 3 out of 4 and still get in. The Jags have a very tough schedule, and the Steelers are not healthy or good this year. Out of the 6-6 teams, the Ravens have the easiest schedule. But again, you are probably gonna meet the Bengals and you couldn’t beat them twice.
Much less three times
as we’ve already lost to them twice and somehow have a habit of finding ways to lose to the same team three times in a season! But yes, you were dead on and my team was,,….dead.
aka 'Rexx'
I can’t believed we got schooled by a bunch of rosey cheeked GB kids…some with long blonde hair. The ravens lost major street cred last night.
We do lead the league in blond linebackers, it's true.
But don’t forget – Clay Matthews has pedigree — his dad, his uncle, both 19-year NFL vets.
Long hair blondes
beat the dreadlocks! Sort of the “socia’s” beating the “greaers” in “The Outsiders!”
aka 'Rexx'
What is with the Flacco HATRED?
You guys amaze me – especially Bruce. You want Flacco out. You want him injured. You want him to die horribly of a combination of cancer, AIDS and having a piano fall on his head… Let me ask you this – if he’s gone – who the F#*$ do we get??? Troy (I’m gonna scramble around and throw it out of bounds cause I’m a complete bust) Smith? Or maybe you all have somebody else in mind. Now I don’t think Gano can throw, so I’m not sure who Bruce is backing, but tell me this great alternative option you all have to replace Flacco. Tell me what other QB is gonna do so well with an OL that has completely collapsed. For – AT LEAST – the last 4 weeks, all I can remember of Flacco during a game is him scrambling for his life while the entire defense charges at him from all angles. So I’d like to know what miracle QB you all have on speed dial that’ll do better under those conditions?
The way I saw it yesterday, Flacco made two bad decisions. Do you know why? He’s not stupid. He’s not a moron. He’s not untalented as a QB. It’s because he’s on a team that gives him almost no support on the field – NO Receivers except Mason occasionally, when he’s not trying to be Heinz Ward, and Washington when Cam remembers we have him and calls for a pass to him. No OL protection. No defense to put the other team on its heals, so we are always having to make up ground with the offense. Flacco is a kid and he’s got it in his head that it’s his responsibility to make ANYTHING happen and when you have to play with that mindset, you’re gonna make mistakes. Get off his back and put the pain on the people who are really letting this team down.
You know the difference between first week Flacco and last night’s? In the first weeks he had protection. He had Cam trying to make a gameplan and actually DO something with the offense. If you want to criticize Flacco for always throwing the checkdown (and I have), take a look around him – defenders within inches of him, our midget receivers who can’t even be seen if the CB’s are standing in front of them and then can’t catch it anyway when the ball is sent their way, and a scoreboard that says we ALWAYS need at least 10 points… and then decide who you’d throw to in that situation. Flacco is a pocket QB – no one ever said he was the next coming of McNabb or Fran Tarkenton. And until we can actually give him a pocket to throw from and a real receiver who can be seen without a telephoto lens, a defense that can actually stop the other team from scoring and a gameplan this is intent on winning and not just managing, he’s gonna make the occasional mistake. He doesn’t make anymore than any other player on this team – in fact, quite a lot less.
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
Yes,
What the hell has he done in the past 6 games to help us get a victory?
3 touchdowns and 6 turnovers from Joe. We complained about the Defense not stepping up and the offense carrying. Well before last night, the defense didnt allow a team to score more than 17 points. The Colts, THE FREAKING COLTS! Defense does EVERYTHING in their power to set us up to win, and you throw these bull shit INTs in the redzone.
Last night, Defense gets so many god damn turnovers, you either over throw every WR, or throw an int. Those two INTs that happened back to back were quite possibly the two worst passes I have seen in the last 5 years.
Joe has been atrocious in the 2nd half of the year and needs a serious gut check. Get some god damn fire in your soul and go out there and lead this team.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I'll agree with some of that
although a defense that ONLY gives up 17 a game is still pretty bad by Ravens historical standards.
Flacco has made mistakes in the RZ – because we SHOULDN’T be throwing from 5 yards out – we don’t have the personnel for it. We should be pounding the run, but like Billick et.al before him, Cam seems to think it’s easy to be able to hit someone in a compressed area or lob to the back of the endzone.
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
I agree about the 17 points thing
It is not great on Ravens standards, but considering what we saw this offense do at times in the beginning of the season, 17 should be enough for them to get a lead on these teams.
Flacco has lost games for us when all we needed was one score, even it its 3 points, and threw it away. I am tired of that shit.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I thought in last night's game
that Flacco was so very ineffective that he should have been pulled but not lose his starting job. Just like when your ace in baseball is getting lit up you take him out and limit the damage to his psych. Flacco was shellshocked and Cam and Harbs could do nothing to change it, which sickened me.
aka 'Rexx'
Wrong. Flacco has screwed up just about every close 4th quarter game. His INT’s are childish. They are not even close. He’s had time on these picks. It’s not like he’s being hit and fluttering passes. He’s had space and choked. Don’t make me list all his bad INT"S. He needs to be benched. He’s not getting better. He’s cost a ton so far. We deserve pro play not this garbage.
If he keeps doing this red zone bullshit
Put Troy in. I swear, if Chicago or Detroit beats us because Joe’s dumbass throws a redzone pick when we reallllllly need a score, put Troy in there. Tired of him making these idiotic reads, throwing off his back foot, across the field or into triple coverage.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
He took 3 sacks in a row last week. He needs to see these things coming. He is slow to react. He makes up his mind and stares it down. Who take 3 straight sacks in a tight game? Come on man. This guy is on his way to being a bum. It was fun for a year. Now it just sucks.
Rothlisberger - took about 8 a couple seasons ago - when we had a defense
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
Like I said - let's hear YOUR alternative - other than T.Failure.Smith
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
I would put Troy in. If Troy screws up in the red zone then Neck goes in. These guys need to fear mistakes. They need to PROTECT the ball. That’s the name of the game. Receivers get benched, kickers get fired so why can’t Flacco take a seat? The double standar is crazy. I’d work QB’s like baseball pitchers. You throw a change up when I call a fastball and your out of there.
Who would I get? How far do you want to go back.? We would have been better over the past 10 years if-
1. We take Flutie for one season with our great D in 2002. He then came here and beat us with the Bills.
2. Grabbed that old lefty Brunnel from the Jags in 2003 for a few years.
3. Then I would have snagged Garcia for a while while we brought along a young QB.
4. Having witnessed Flaccos decline, I’d rest him for Troy so Troy can get his career going- either here or elsewhere as a trade.
5. Let Flacco start against the Lions but if he starts screwing up and making bad reads, Troy needs to come in.
Those are some great choices "Ozzie"
So you’re plan for talent at QB consists of taking whatever ALMOST washed up QB is available for a season or two until someone else is close to retirement to replace him with? Flacco hasn’t declined anymore than the rest of the team – with no OL and no receivers and no natural ability to run what the hell do you expect from him?
Instead you want QB by rotation? Dumb, dumb, dumb. QB is one of the few positions on the field where you need to have established a rhythm and link with your receivers which you can’t possibly do if you’re only one of what, 14 rotating QBs in a game??
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
Yes!
Light some god damn fire under Joe. He is screwing up when we DO NOT need him to screw up. We have been handing him the opportunity to win games on a silver platter, and he just shrugs it off with his “cool” demeanor and gives it away in the redzone. Then, after he knows he has messed up, comes right back and tries to force it in there, for yet another INT.
Do you understand what Pittsburgh is going to do to Joe? I will be impressed if he walks out of there with 1 TD and 2 INT’s. I could honestly see him throwing 5 interceptions that game.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Let me get this straight
You’re complaining on one hand that he’s blown opportunities to ‘do something" and not doing enough to win, and then complaining he’s “forcing it” when he does try to do something to win?
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
leading a receiver properly is not “forcing it”. if joe stopped pussy footing his back foot throws he could have hit clayton with the 4 yard lob. same old same old for Crappo.
The difference between a good and a great QB
is the fourth quarter. Joe is not a 4th quarter QB. Yet.
aka 'Rexx'
This team is built for ball control. We needed ball control QB’s over the years. We need mobility in the red zone because we don’t have play makers/or didn’t have playmakers to get it in. We obviously don’t trust Flacco in the zone- just look at Masons TD numbers.
You feel free to instruct me...
And I’ll show you how to actually use the reply button. Bunch of whiny frat boys…
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
Lol
Frat boy, that’s an insult. I would never join that gay stuff. Raven wishes he was in college.
I’ll definitely regret everything I say today in about 2-3 days, but for now I hope for terrible things on this team.
Lol, I just heard Harbaugh say on ESPN “We have character and heart on this team, and it will show.” “We are still breathing”
Ok, John. Keep on keeping on buddy.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Just an FYI
When I say frat boy – I mean it as an insult ;-)
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
Good thing I am not in one.
Why would I want to get harassed and embarrassed just so I can binge drink with a bunch of dudes?
I can binge drink on my own.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
No, but
I’m not using the term referring to frats at all – it’s any 18-20 something who’s got no brains, too much to drink, a big mouth and likely destroying my property at 2:00AM when the bars in Canton close.
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
Instructions for De-fensive:
1. Establish the run for at least the whole first quarter.
2. Feel out the D with controlled passes.
3. Notice separations/open players and get head out of playbook.
4. Throw to open player and hot hand.
5. If open player/hot hand not open, scramble or throw away.
6. Protect ball.
7. Continue to run unless down by 14 in the late 3rd quarter.
8. Ensure best player gets ball in his hands in any way possible.
Don't have an argument with any of that
But these instructions are better given to Cam than me or Flacco, since he’s just the machine, not the programmer.
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
i know what your saying de-fensive and I respect you being able to be more even keeled. i don’t have the patience anymore after 14 years and Wild Card SB win.
If you think these guys are trying
you should have been around for some of the Colts slower years…
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
our frustration is the fact that we have enough players to get to at least the playoffs. to play dumb is not acceptable for players or coaches. we make the same mistakes every week. we make the same penalties every week. no heads are rolling and new players are getting chances. harbaugh doesn’t have control of this team. how embarrassing was it to see his brother trying to coach from the sidelines.
Washed up QB’s? Uhh, McNaire, Grbac, Mitchell, Banks…funny thing about our QB’s- we would have made the playoffs with even an old Cunningham. It’s about field vision not arm strength. If we are going to be a 10 yard team with 10 yard weapons than who cares about Flaccos 70 yard gun.
To this day I think the Ravens go to at least 2 SB’s with Flutie or Brunnel MANAGING the game.
Dilfer should have NEVER been let go
We’d have been back in the SB in 2001 with him.
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
I AGREE!
I have been saying that ever since. We did not have Jamal that year, so it hurt. But I think he gave us a WAYYYYY better chance than GrSack did. Dilfer might not have been your perfect QB, but the man knew what it took to get it done in our system.
He said it best “Put 17 on the board, let Jamal run 25-30 times, get the ball to Shannon in the flats, Ismial on the outside and Stokley on the inside slant”
Dilfer was so simple that it made us such a good team.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Like Shannon, Dilfer questioned Billick. That was not good for Billick career. Shannon and Dilfer were asked to leave. A leader likes sheep.
No - A leader likes alternative options to be voiced
An ego run amok with no talent to back it up likes yesmen – meet Brian Billiick
"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas
by D-Fensive on Dec 8, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Puh-lease
Don’t get me started on the Dilfer stuff. He was nothing and only there NOT to lose a game. Never could have won it for us. Just along for the ride, which this team couldn’t afford to do anymore and certainly can’t do now.
aka 'Rexx'
And what is Joe here for so far?
To lose the game? Because he certainly has looked like that is his purpose over the since week 3.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Now, new topic. PASS RUSH
We may have the WORST pass rush in the league. 1 sack on an O-Line that has given up 44 this season so far? Pathetic. Gregg Mattison is clueless and all we have on our D-Line is a bunch of D-Tackles with NO D-Ends. Sluggs was crap to begin with this season and is one of the laziest players I have ever seen. You can just tell that he does not give a shit sometimes.
We start Ngata and Edwards at DE? Are you kidding me? These are guys who only push forward, and you are expecting them to do Freeney spin move or Peppers swim move. Stupid.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
About time...
Someone brought this up. If you ask me this was our biggest problem last night. I think this is what we’ll address this year in the draft. Aside from Suggs, who is considered to be a LB, we haven’t had a great DE since the McCrary and Burnett years. Who’s out there for the 2010 draft?
Lions 30 Ravens 27
Billy Cundiff had 9 FG’s
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Hey Steelers fans:
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