Comparing the Ravens & Packers
by Bruce Raffel on Dec 3, 2009 9:35 AM EST
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PrintToday we'll take a look at where the two teams stand, statistics-wise. While the game is played on the field, not on paper, it's sometimes interesting to see how they match up against each other compared to the rest of the league. With the numbers coming from NFL.com, let's take a look at where the Baltimore Ravens and Green Bay Packers rank in the NFL:
Total Offense: Ravens (13) Packers (6)
Passing Offense: Ravens (13) Packers (6)
Rushing Offense: Ravens (14) Packers (11)
Scoring Offense: Ravens (12th, 23.4/game) Packers (6th, 26.9/game)
Sacks Allowed/QB Hits: Ravens (23/49) Packers (44/74)
(Defense Stats after the 'Jump')
Total Defense: Ravens (10) Packers (1)
Pass Defense Ravens (12) Packers (6)
Rush Defense: Ravens (6) Packers (4)
Sacks For: Ravens (T-22) Packers (T-17)
Interceptions: Ravens (T-7) Packers (T-3)
Points Allowed: Ravens (4th, 17.1/game) Packers (12th, 19.5/game)
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Statistics, Schmatisitcs
Statistics are nice but the game still has to be played. The NFC is still the weaker conference, albeit the Saints, so let the only real statistic that matters be the real tale of the tape, THE FINAL SCORE! Go Ravens!
When I compare the six probably NFC Playoff teams
to the six teams I think will make it from the AFC, the NFC teams seem a lot better overall. I would say that the NFC’s better at the top.
by Donald Driver on Dec 3, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Shocked
That the kid with the moniker “Donald Driver” thinks that.
Gott a agree though
The Saints and the Vikings trumps the Colts and….SD?
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Dec 3, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Based on what?
I’d take the Saints and Vikings over ANY AFC team out there. The Saints just beat up on the darlings of the AFC (Patriots) who basically almost beat the Colts if not for a questionable call. I guess I don’t see the argument for how the AFC is a dominant conference…I think we are witnessing another shift.
Based on opponent's win percentage
Read my post just above and you will see that the Vikings, Packers, and Saints have had very easy schedules, even when you include the Patriots for the Saints. They clearly dominated the game but to say they are that much better than the Colts because of it shows a lack of thinking. Bilicheck plays the Colts and Manning every single year, and knows them very well. The pats only go up against the Saints once every four years, and the Saints were completely fired up for that game.
I think the Saints and Vikings are the top two teams but
the bulk of the AFC is better than the same in the NFC. However, it is a lot closer than it was over the past few years.
aka 'Rexx'
Yep
I would say the Saints and Vikings look like the best two teams in the league at this point but I think the AFC is much deeper then the NFC is.
by packallday555 on Dec 4, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Ouch
Im not seeing an in anywhere really for the Ravens except the Sacks Allowed/ QB Hits category, the Ravens really need to exploit that in order to win. This is another case of if you let Aaron Rodgers sit back in the pocket without getting a rush, its going to be ugly. Driver and Jennings are some big, physical guys, especially for the pygmy Dominique Foxworth. Simply put: With this Packers O-Line and Sack statistics, if you get a decent to good rush on the QB you have a GREAT chance to win the football game.
Agreed
but if we do exploit that, then we can win.
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by Bruce Raffel on Dec 3, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Driver and Jennings aren't that big.
They are each about 6-0. They aren’t like the Chargers receivers.
True
about the stats, but I really believe that in this case they don’t mean much. I believe that turnovers and good pass rushing, combined with a solidly performing offense, will win this game. We have had tougher opponents, but at the same time we need to take care not to get over-confident.
Another thing is that we do need to shut down their receivers, and that’s the one place where I’m very nervous. Just a couple of good plays by Driver could hurt us badly.
like mlb said
Their receivers aren’t that big and don’t elevate all that well. They do have a big TE with really good hands, Finley.
They’ve struggled with the strategy you give and they’ve adjusted by starting with a lot of quick throws and screens. If your DBs can step in front of a slant pass or two and your lineman and LBs read and respond to screens, it’ll help. They also use heavy protection schemes on and off.
Yeah, but
GB throws over the middle to receivers on the run. Ravens not used to doing, much less seeing that.
aka 'Rexx'
That bodes well for us. When were able to get the slants over the middle going our offense tends to perform much better.
by packallday555 on Dec 4, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
That's what film is for.
I’m sure Harper is running skinny posts and slants like crazy this week in practice.
Pay no mind to these numbers
Green Bay’s schedule has been much easier than what the Ravens were handed.
by Senses Working Overtime on Dec 3, 2009 11:20 AM EST reply actions
Yea
They get to play the Browns and Bears twice a year.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
We only got the Browns once this year.
We do, however, get the Lions twice. And…I know they’re currently stinking up the joint…but the Bears-Packers games are always ugly. In 2007, we only lost 3 games, and 2 of them were to the Bears. It’s that kind of rivalry.
The Packers vs Bears is like Ravens Steelers. Even if the other team isn’t that great they still get up for that game. I think the Bears are better than their record shows but they’ve just made too many mistakes to overcome. Remember the Bears were being argued as a potential division winner by many before the season started.
The Packers vs Bears is like Ravens Steelers.
Not even close to our match-up with the Steelers. Sorry, but the best, most physical, ugly, hated, rivalry in the NFL today is Ravens – Steelers.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Redskins-Cowboys
is up there too. They’re just quiet this year because they make for an uneven matchup.
I used to live in DC, and they get pretty crazy about it. One reason why I moved to Bmore – to be closer to my team.
One reason why I moved to Bmore – to be closer to my team.
These are the type of fans I admire.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Yeah, man...
I’ve liked the Ravens from day one. Even when their record was bad in the beginning, I noticed right away how they always fought back and beat teams everybody thought they’d lose to. And I moved to Bmore in ’99 — right before they got the SB win!!! Awesome feeling!
Classic
Good for you man.
I highly doubt that the amount of bandwagon fans alllllll over the country who root for the Steelers would move to Shittsburgh to be closer to their team.
I may hate your team, but I will never take anything away from a true fan. Those are the people I respect, who stick through it thick and thin.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Perhaps the Packers-Vikings
could be your version. But the Bears? Doubtful, very doubtful. That’s more like the Ravens-Bengals, of past years. Not now, as at least the Bengals are good, while the Bears suck!
aka 'Rexx'
Well actually..
The Packers-Bears rivarly is the longest standing rivalry in the NFL.
by packallday555 on Dec 4, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
We're not talking about longest
we’re talking about the most violent, physical, and enjoyable to watch fro true hard hitting football action. Three classics last year alone and always a great matchup, regardless of who is injured and not playing.
aka 'Rexx'
Yea I meant Lions
Can’t get those Brownies off my mind.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I'm pretty sure...
Malor meant the Lions.
Here is who Green Bay has beaten:
Chicago
St. Louis
Detroit (twice)
Cleveland
Dallas
San Fran
What is the total record of that?
like 8-29? Lol
I am shaking in my boots.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
The Cowboys have played pretty bad back then
and then came home and barely beat the Redskins at home 7-6. So the ’boys are not looking like such a great team. Besides, we went there last season and handed them their lunch!
aka 'Rexx'
Well going into our game against the Cowboys they were on a 4 game winning streak, with wins against the Falcons and Eagles so they were actually playing pretty good football. They starting playing relatively poorly after they lost too us.
by packallday555 on Dec 4, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Look at the Packs' wins
Other than Dallas, which was a nice win, they beat Detroit twice, Chicago, Cleveland, St. Louis, and SF. Lost ot Minn. (2x), Cincy, Tampa (!?).
aka 'Rexx'
Yeah, the Tampa loss...
It still gives us heartburn. Although, I think we can credit the sheer WTF-ery of that loss with turning our team into a much more efficient unit the last 3 weeks. The post-game “come to Jesus” meeting did a lot to air out grievances and bring the team together.
by hollycrat on Dec 3, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still think they are a good team though
Their defense is stacked with young talent and veterans who have been solid for a long time. I do like Rodgers and I think their WR are going to give us just as hard of a time as the SD WR did. The pass rush of the Ravens is what might make or break this game for us.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Totally agree
It is all gonna rest w/ the pass pressure. In fact, we bring the pass rush, we win. Otherwise, it could get ugly.
Or worse, be one of those games where we fall behind early and then fight back only to lose another heartbreaker at the end (see Minnesota game!).
aka 'Rexx'
Yeah, it will all depend on how our o-line plays. If we can give Rodgers some time like we have these past 3 weeks, then we should be able to put up some points. If they don’t block well, then we’ll go to our maximum protection packages and with that our playbook decreases substantially, and we’ll likely struggle.
by packallday555 on Dec 4, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Kruger will help us in pass defense in the short slants. This is where Suggs being out is sort of a blessing. Kruger is faster and has a better motor this year. We should still be able to pressure the QB even with LB’s in pass coverage. Ngata and Edwards need a great game. Ngata needs to stop being a thug and straighten up. I think he’s getting frustrated not getting his mits on the QB or the ball.
Our DB’s will hang with the receivers. They usually so- just can’t find the ball. They may even be able to tackle these guys solo because they aren’t too big. Foxy might actually be able to swing someone down. He tackling technique of choice. Minimalu will be a huge factor. I think we will see some more bltiz schemes for him. He just might be the new difference maker in this final push. Landry needs to turn the corner and be a leader.
I think we are a better team with Kruger and Webb in and Washington and Suggs out. We might be rearranging some money next year or risk being raided by another Rex Ryan.
Hell with Suggs
JJ is the man at inflicting pain on blitzes this year. Love me some JJ. Plus he looks like a slightly less deformed version of sloth from the Goonies, gotta love that.
That was John Matuzak
I believe, who played Sloth. ‘Tooz played for the Raiders in the ’70’s.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Dec 5, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a Packer fan and all, but these are flimsy stats.
Take a look at Football Outsiders (www.footballoutsiders.com), who include strength of schedule in their analysis. I write on our opponents for a Packers blog, and took a fairly extensive look at the matchups from a statistical perspective. The teams are much closer than the paper numbers here would indicate.
http://cheeseheadtv.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens-w13-a-statistical-appendix
Packers schedule
yeah they got a weaker schedule because they had a weak year last year. against very stout competition (coming off the 13-3 year) and they lost what…like SEVEN games by 3pts or less just like your precious ravens this year. that doesnt show that the packers arent good just because they have a weak schedule and you have to keep in mind they HAVE to play the lions twice…conference and all so that doesnt help their opp. winning percentage much either. bottom line i think its gonna be a close one. but hate to say it. baltimore wont pull through in the end hope your ready for another tight loss you can bitch about :D
Be careful....
….‘cause you may have to eat a Word and Cheese Sandwich. I’m actually thinking this might be a blowout loss — for the Packers.
Its funny to hear the media talking about the Pack's #1 defense
and they are 12th in points allowed. Reminds me of the arguments from baseball.
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We’re goin to Green Bay. See, temperature and home field don’t matter. Men against men. That’s all it is. We special. The love we have for each other is- tremendous. I mean Wow. To see the way these keeds have grown is a blessing. I mean, just to watch these incredible players daya after day. On the same field. Mmmmm. My goodness.
Yeah, we have some work to do. But, to a man, ain’t no one going to stop us. Never have. We’ve done seen it. Been there. Bottom Line. It’s that simple. When I was home watching a table dance I said, man, it’s right here. Right in front of us. I can taste it. Wow.
ironically
Maybe some slop and cold will benefit the visiting team. Packers are mainly a finesse passing team.
This is not Rex Ryan's D
The Baltimore defensive numbers would look a lot worse if you back out the games against a horrible Browns team. Dixon, with no significant NFL snaps under his belt, was able to complete passes with a Manning-like accuracy and when the Ravens D finally adjusted to him he burned them with that long run. Anybody who thinks that Rodgers, who has been dealing all season even when chased down and sacked like crazy, will not hang at least 30 on the Ravens is in complete denial. Now the question is, will Flacco step up and match Rodgers possession per possesion? I don’t think so. The Ravens have Rice and if you neutralize that threat (give him his 100 total yds from scrimmage and no big plays), they can’t beat you.
Packers 31-Ravens 17
So no one can go back to the crappy pack site and harass him/her for their retarded comments after the Ravens win 27-23… and nothing this clown says comes true.
No problem with your loyalty or even prediction
but to say that anyone who thinks you won’t put up 30 on the Ravens is crazy, well,…..is crazy!
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by Bruce Raffel on Dec 5, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Secondary indicator of delusional status
Rodgers for MVP
I gotta say I am really looking forward to this game.
oh my
its all so clear now thankyou for that. its so simple! all you have to do is score 30 points on the ravens D and stop ray rice! this should be easy
Dude, we always allow 30 points in games.
Didnt you know that? We havent allowed more than 17 points since week 7. We always allow 30 points. Manning got 17 on us, we always allow 30 points.
GOD DAMN YOU REX RYAN! It is all his fault, how we will ever keep being the number 4 team in points allowed this season?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Did I just read a comparison of Dixon to Manning?
He completed 12 passes the whole game, and he is getting a Manning comparison? Maybe 3 passes the whole game looked good. Probably the most idiotic statement I have read on here in months.
So every person out there who thinks the Packers are not going to win by 30 is in denial? Hmmmm, yea cause we allow 30 points each and every game. I forgot how many points the Bengals, Colts, and Pats scored on us in those games? Oh yea, never went above 24. We held Manning to 1 touchdown, and trust me, Rodgers is no fucking Manning.
These are the type of fans that just make me smile when I read their comments.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
ah, you bitter Raven fans…it’s not fucking Y2k alright? Wake up. Rodgers is BETTER than Peyton Manning, check your fantasy teams. And he is going to put 30 on your sorry asses, you want it or not.
How many times did you sack Dixon, you moronic replier? Oh, he completed 12 passes. He did a great job considering his last game was for a team called the DUCKS. And you think a 40 year old Ray Lewis and co can scare Rodgers and co in the frozen tundra? Gimme a break
lol
The tundra isn’t frozen and if you want to trash talk, blathering idiocy like “Arodge” is better than Peyton Manning will just amuse them.
Gotta be skeptical
for anyone whose moniker is “Rodgers_for_MVP!”
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Dec 5, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, gotta love
his blind loyalty.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Dec 5, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
And who have the Ravens beat this year? Such heavyweights as Kansas City and Cleveland twice Arguably the two worst teams in all of football. Oh…and sneaked by Pittsburg playing their third string QB. San Diego and Denver? Worse than Dallas for sure. Lost in Cinnci twice, Indy, VIKINGS, New England. Lets play the game and then you can talk…or maybe not…
by PackersSuperbowl2010 on Dec 6, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions
Lol
San Diego is way better than Dallas is. And what should you be proud of? Out of your 7 wins, you have beaten ONE team with a winning record. With out 6 wins, we have beaten THREE teams with winning records. Including the defending Superbowl champs and an undefeated Broncos team.
Who have you beaten? Detroit twice? Wow. One of the worst QB situations with the 49ers? Wow. Jay Cutler and the Bear by only 6? Wow. You have lost to Minnesota twice, Cinci and arguably the worst team in the league, the Bucs. While we may have beaten 2 of the worst teams in the league, you have lost to one of them. Our opponents that we lost to so far this season have a combined record of 44-11.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I’m not gonna argue that we’ve played a more difficult schedule then you guys because that’s absolutely not the case. But you do have to take into account how well that team is playing around the time you play them.
You have 3 wins against teams with winning records, but one is against a San Diego team who looked horrible at the beginning of the year. A Steeler team without Ben and Polamalu (who are their 2 best and most important players), and had a good win against an undefeated Broncos team. You have played a few more good teams then we have, and much like us, you have played all of them close but haven’t been able to play a full 60 minutes.
We can’t control the schedule we play, all we can do is play it. We looked very iffy in the beginning of the year but have recently looked much better. As you probably know, a lot of football has to with confidence and momentum which is something both of our clubs have. We’re relatively confident coming off convincing wins against the Cowboys, 49ers, and Lions. And you guys are coming off what was a huge win against a division opponent. I think it’ll be a good game that will likely come down to what team has the ball last.
by packallday555 on Dec 6, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
playoffs
all of raven loses have come against playoff teams. if we make playoffs i bet not 1 of those teams want to face them. every lose but 1 was by less than 1 score. ravens will be ready. ravens play hardball under harbaugh and packers just like your coach are full of mullarky
Packers will kick Ravens @$$$’s tomorrow night…guaranteed…
by PackersSuperbowl2010 on Dec 6, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions
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