Digesting Ravens' Loss & Discipline
by Bruce Raffel on Dec 28, 2009 10:13 AM EST
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..or the obvious lack of it. In the Baltimore Ravens last two losses (Green Bay, Pittsburgh), the team has "earned" over ten penalties totaling over 100 yards of free yardage to the opposition. Is it safe to say that the Ravens win when they don't commit a lot of penalties and lose when they do? If so, then isn't that the classic definition of a team with a major lack of discipline? While the Ravens do not lead the league in the total number of penalties committed, they do lead in penalty yardage received Why is this, you ask? Obviously, while other teams may have built up those false starts and holding penalties, the Ravens are well known all around the referee circles as the leading pass interference penalties, all down field for huge chunks of yardage handed to the opposition.
Where does the responsibility lie in dealing with this issue that has plagued the team over two head coaches and frustrated the fans for so many years?
When Brian Billick was head coach, the problem was noticeable and never seemed to be dealt with. Once he was fired and John Harbaugh hired, it seemed that these issues would be resolved as he gave out a higher standard of expectations as evidenced by not taking any stuff from a certain cornerback that lots of Ravens fans think should have been re-signed to the team last week. However, that not only hasn't happened, it seems to have even deteriorated into something a lot more obvious and worse as the season and his tenure has progressed.
The combination of the team's conservative and bland playcalling and the lack of ability to control emotions and hold back from making the stupid penalties at such inopportune times makes one wonder if the leadership of the team is legitimately in question. What goes on behind closed doors is something we can only speculate about How bad Harbaugh tears into the team and individual players will never been seen or heard about by anyone not employed by the Ravens. However, when you see the same thing happen over and over, many times by the same player(s), you just have to wonder if the message is getting through and is the respect for leadership even there?
Mind you, we haven't even gotten to the playcalling, the lack of the killer instinct, the seemingly desire to play for the tie rather than go for the jugular with the big play. The trend of clamming up offensively more whenever the game is on the line or even throughout the whole game against the better teams is another issue for another time.
This offense was once feared and solid. They made the plays legitimately and even though the penalties were there, they were not as bad and were covered by the consistent defensive dominance. Now, the defense is far from feared and they cannot cover up their mistakes with solid defense. An overaggressive defense usually makes the plays and at times is a bit too overaggressive, which can result in penalties. However, a defense that has to commit penalties and hope it is not flagged while doing so and then cannot overcome its mistakes is just a trainwreck waiting to happen.
In the easy games, there is no real reason to be that overaggressive in order to win and besides, we can count on the opposition to screw up enough to cover up our issues. However, in the tougher game the feeling is that unless we play so aggressive and risk these penalties on both sides of the ball, we seem to believe that we cannot win straight up against those good, playoff caliber teams. That is what disturbs me so much and has frustrated fans all season long.
The same players, over and over again, commit these fouls, yet continue to be in the lineup when the game is on the line and then just do it again. The response from the team is that there is no one else and I, for one, am just not willing to continue buying that response. At some point, it seems painfully obvious that anyone else can make those penalties and perhaps anyone else will learn how to make the play, not the foul. Yesterday, I was actually hoping to see Corey Ivy in there at DB in Frank Walker's place as everyone knew what would happen and you can be sure that Ben Roethlisberger was throwing at him with the game on the line!
The Ravens have an excellent chance of still making the playoffs even though we know they won't go far once they get there. This is far from a contending team in its present form and if they think the Oakland Raiders will just lay down for them, then they will find themselves sitting at home watching the other teams, including, gasp, possibly the Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs.
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I thught we signed Ivy specifically because
We didn’t want walker to play. What’s the deal Harbaugh?
The key to success in life is doing what people constantly say you cannot do.
by Baltimore Warrior on Dec 28, 2009 10:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Great post Bruce
Truer words have never been spoken. All in favor of Bruce being head coach next year say ai. Ai
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by Baltimore Warrior on Dec 28, 2009 11:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Ravens Loss
Okay – You can’t fine a gazillionaire player $5,000.00 for a bone head play, you obviously can’t talk to a player about a bone head play, apparently drills don’t work, explanations aren’t the answer, and I guess there really is a part of NO that is difficult to understand. Like……………..
NO off sides, NO pass interference, NO Personal fouls. Okay, so if the fines, talks, drills, explanations and a simple two letter word like NO doesn’t work – do something that does. SIT THEIR A$$ on a bench and give them a TIME – OUT. This technique has been proven to work for some children so maybe this could work with some of the children on this team. And no helmets, towels, capes or anything else to hide under.
Oh, and face this bench TOWARDS the stands………………
Moral story of 2009 Baltimore ravens
Just not enough to be great. Either it’s sheer luck, dropped pass, missed field goal or discipline: personal foul, illegal contact, holding downfield. We are just not enough to be great…
Besides,
I think the play calling is fine… barring stupid dropped pass and downfield holding, we score that touch down and win the game. It’s just inexplicable…
meh
i’m no longer a big cam cameron fan as i can usually predict when we will just give the ball to rice…
your point holds though that we just left points on the field. you can’t do that. i knew we were going to lose after the Mason drop. you just don’t get enough opportunities like that.
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Ravens Loss
Tassadar,
The play calling is okay but sometimes I think we’re reverting back to “Mitchell up the Middle” don’t you think? It was good to see Heap involved – wonder what he had to do to get out of the dog house? Maybe the word Discipline should be introduced, defined, and explained so everyone understands it’s meaning. Oh, and take the names off the backs of the jerseys and use the TIME-Out Bench for any player who tries to draw attention to themselves by thumping their chests, pumping their fists, flexing their muscles or doing their cutesy little dance and that includes BEFORE and DURING the game. T E A M – What part of that don’t they understand?
A friend is someone who bails you out of jail after a good time – a TRUE FRIEND is someone who sits next to you in the cell and says, “Damn, now that was a good time.”
No words for the loss
- Pitt put it together at more times than we did.
- Were some TD’s taken away from us? Yes, but it was not because of bullshit calls on the O-Line or other side of the field. The Suggs block in the back can go either way, but it was a block in the back. Should have been let go with the heat of the moment for a defense that has just intercepted a ball and turned offensive, but he hit Heath in the back. Can’t do that. Put your hands on someone, don’t just lower your shoulder.
- Washington’s hold was blaintent and obvious. Ike Taylor was within the range of maybe making a tackle on Willis, and Washington was standing behind the CB with 2 handfulls of jersey and shoulder pad. Gotta just let him go there Washington. It was the right call.
- All this stuff wouldn’t matter if Mason caught his td pass. And how can you be smiling on the sidelines after doing something like that when it could have possibly lost us the game (which is did)? How do you make catches like you did all day yesterday then do your best impression of Limas Sweed in the endzone? C’mon Man!
- Refs didn’t lose shit for us. raven, or anyone else here needs to stop with that excuse. We lost it for ourselves yet again with terrible discipline and no execution on possible TD drives. I am really getting tired of seeing Harbaugh’s ignorant grin when he knows he has the balls of an 8 year old. I bet the first thing he said in his press conference was congrats to the Steelers right? Yea, because they beat us in every way John, right? No! You and your coaching antics lead to 15 yard PF and poor clock management. I seriously think that when we are down by 10 with 2 min left in the 2nd quarter and have them on 3rd down, that you are scrared shitless to even try to take a chance at getting some points. Why call your timeouts and act like you’re gonna do something by having Cundiff warm up on the side, yet you are just running the ball up the middle with Rice with 50 yards to go? I am clueless with your decisions this week and you can bet your ass I will be calling into the “John Harbaugh Show” this week and chewing you out.
- Loved the pressure we go yesterday. Of the 5 meetins we have had with Pitt so far, that was the best pass rush we put on Ben. We actually got him to the ground, and when we didn’t get to the ground (Best scrambling QB in the league, bar none) we forced him to overthrow his WR. Some of their WR ran great routes to get open on 2nd and 3rd and longs, but our pressure caused for poorly thrown balls.
- Joe needs to sit down and watch tape of Rothelisburger. You can just see the difference between elite and good QB between those two. The offense were nearly identical in the QB department yesterday, yet Ben did way more. Joe has no awareness at all. As soon as the pressure gets to him, he curls up and takes it. Ben got sacked yesterday, but it could have been worse for him if not for his awareness. I mean, when Woodley clearly jumped offsides and the flag was thrown, it was a free play. Joe has no fucking clue whatsoever and just curled up in a ball and took the sack instead of trying to launch one down the field. On his first INT, how do you not know that the defender was right behind you? Jesus. And this back foot throwing bullshit he does, gotta stop it. It worked for Johnny Unitas, but not you Joe. Think about this, we have not seen ONE deep ball completion for a TD this year that has been the WR in full stride. All of Joe’s deep balls are thrown off his back foot and the WR has to go up between 2 guys and get it.
- Foxworth is coming to his own. Holding Ward to 4 catches for 37 yards is a damn good job. Ward is the toughest WR in the league who can usually just shove aside a CB like Foxworth, but he stuck with him and even made that great jump on the ball for the INT. Most people might not notice his play as of recently because of the mistakes earlier in the season, but I think him and Webb together for seasons to come is something that we should all look forward to. Foxworth has really done a nice job lately.
- Ray Rice is the man. Its that simple. That fumble sucked, but it happens man. He came back strong and for once, cam got it right with giving him 30 carries. 141 yards on the leagues best run defense and snap a 30+ game streak of not allowing a 100 yard rusher, in Pitt is impressive. Good for you Rice.
- Kinda could go on and on about yesterday, but I think I have said enough. Sorry I have not been able to contribute to Steeler Hate Week or yesterdays game, just been enjoying the winter break so far and making the most of the holidays. I hope everyone here had a wonderful holiday and congratulations to the Steeler fans. You guys got a good win yesterday and have made a huge 180 after that 5 game implosion.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
We thought we know, But we just don't know
The Steelers are who we thought they are, and we let them get off the hook. Now if you want to crown ’em, Crown their @$$.
Two best quotes to describe this game……..
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by Baltimore Warrior on Dec 28, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Very rational observations MaLoR
Good to see not everyone over here wants to blame the refs for the Raven’s demise yesterday. That was one of the most undisciplined games I’ve seen a team play this side of Green Bay all year.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Dec 28, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Those penalties occur on every play. The fact that they called back 2 TD’s and a INT return in BS. Your LT held every other down and tackled our LB on an attempted sack. It was a very unbalanced ref game. Like it always is with you.
Here we go
Dude, sit there and watch the film and tell me how many times James Harrison was hog tied around the neck and get back to me. You going to tell me Ngata didn’t hit those TWO guys out of bounds. Shall I go on? Wa wa waaaa. I can hear the crying all the way from Baltimore. No one is ever man enough down there to sack up and accept that the blame came from the players and no where else. And I can’t help it if your dumbass WR and TE drop gimmes or your QB has no pocket presence and can’t throw off the proper foot.
Give me a break.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Dec 28, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I am
No one is ever man enough down there to sack up and accept that the blame came from the players and no where else.
This ref BS needs to stop. Does the league need to re-evaluate how some calls are made? Absolutely. But yesterdays loss was not from the refs. Did the refs screw the Ravens over when they didn’t call the Mason incompletion a fumble? Cause that was clearly a fumble that could have blown the game up even more.
Ravens lost, Steelers won. Lets leave it at that.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Pardon me, MaLoR
You are without a doubt and fogive the generalization.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Dec 28, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah the refs suck bt they do for EVERYONE!
At the same time, they all know we are undisciplined and hold, grab and hit when we’re not supposed to so they are looking for us to make that mistake every play and call it. Just like a cop sitting behind a bush with a radar gun, they are waiting for you to make a mistake so they can call it. It’s our tem problem, not the refs or the league. Until we can lose that rep, we wil be marked and deservedly so.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Dec 28, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Just let them play.
The key to success in life is doing what people constantly say you cannot do.
by Baltimore Warrior on Dec 28, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
How come you Steelers fans are always
The only ones that see James " I suck, so I will cry to the refs" Harrison getting held? Nobody else sees it, including the refs. So I think you should go find something else to cry about.
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by Baltimore Warrior on Dec 29, 2009 12:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Raven, take Mike Tomlin’s advice and stay off the emotional roller coaster. You remind me of just about every NBA player who never committed a personal foul in his career.
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
by count'em_six on Dec 28, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
have we improved as a team this year…at all? Or, does it seem we are the same team that started opening day last year? I just don’t see any improvement. Rice is his own man but across the board we aren’t wiser, healthier, discliplined-Ngata has regressed. Suggs hasn’t learned since his hands to the face against Tenn. way back when. Walker is still Walker. McClaine has regressed. Flacco has the same blind pocket presence. Ray Lewis can’t help his team against good teams. I’m not sure why we bothered with training camp. I’m not sure it made any difference.
I think on a talent level
We did improve. However, injuries have hidden this improvement. One thing about the defense I think we are missing is Ayenbadejo. The man was on pace to have his best defensive year and got hurt. I 100% gaurentee that BA would have been the starting MLB next to Ray the entire season.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Him,rolle, and Webb
Would have made this defence unstoppable.
The key to success in life is doing what people constantly say you cannot do.
by Baltimore Warrior on Dec 28, 2009 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Forgot to mention that our coaches are still baffled by 3rd ad 1’s once they cross the 50. OH MY GOD WHAT DO WE DO, WE CAN SEE THE END ZONE? And then, of course, Flacco takes 2-3 sacks and backs us right out of FG range while he waits to unload Cams favorite 40 yard bomb before we even get into game tieing FG range. I was a jerk on here yesterday but I’m not backing down that these coaches can’t get it done. Rice took 90% of the runs up the middle. McClaine should have been used to soften that line and keep Ben off the Field. Lastly, we aren’t a team. We have guys who just do what they want and return to the bench without fear. Ngata’s attitude is alarming for a vet. Suggs is just dumb. Kelly Washington made a 1st grade mistake. Mason was thinking about his dance before he caught it. Frank Walker simply has to foul to stay with anyone- and he’ll be back out there grabbing Bey on Sunday. Are we surprised? No! This has been our identity for 10 years.
They have third and long from heir own end zone late in the first half and go for it.
We clam up and run three straight times afraid of what MIGHT happen is we try a risky play. Difference between contending and pretending. Period.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Dec 28, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
yes yes
you’re right. i’ve come around on the cam-hating. I think I’m a Cam hater too.
You know who i’d take as an OC? Charlie Weis. Nobody has ever called him gutless and if you ask Tom Brady he’d say Weis is the best OC he’s ever played for. The guy can engineer a beast passing game (with terrible receivers if you recall) and he doesn’t shy away from taking big ass shots down field. I think he was in over his head as a Head Coach but he was very successful as a coordinator.
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Flacco would make Cam look a lot better
if he got rid of the ball earlier or at least moved his feet and didn’t throw off the back one too often.
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by Bruce Raffel on Dec 28, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
he's a 2nd year QB and has progressed as such
he’s learning but he isn’t quite on the Peyton Manning learning curve. Still, the guy probably wasn’t ready to throw the ball as much as we’ve asked him to this year. Next year we can expect further improvement.
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Flacco is a statue. Vinny Flacco for the last time. Great between the 30’s, gets yardage stats but has poor peripheral vision and chokes.
yeah he totally choked
he only put up 21 points in the 4th quarter to even make it possible to perhaps steal the vikes game. he only put a strike on claytons numbers on 4th down against the pats. he only put up a 3-score comeback win against the browns as a rookie. put the ravens in position to win a squeaker against tennessee in the playoffs last year. sounds like a choke artist to me, big time.
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
All said though
he hasn’t won the big game for the most part. Certainly doesn’t have the “big game” rep and still needs he can CONSISTENTLY win those games. Until then…skepticism is earned.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Jan 2, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I missed you yesterday MaLor. I was pretty lit and pissed- not a good combination with this team. I actually saw Cam’s game plan and then turned the game off in the 2nd quarter. I knew it was a loss. He was playing to the Steelers moves. It is too funny how he insists any type of creativity to give us some breathing room in big games is better left for the shit teams. He is soooo tight against the big guys. Did he not review film of the Chiefs, Raiders, Bears wins over the Steelers. Give me a break! No Troy again!!! Harrison with a hurt arm…
This all reinforces that Cam goes into big games expecting to be close and plays accordingly. We have the talent to keep it close and have the talent to open it up a little but Cam keeps his foot on the brake insisting it’s good to let Pitt, NE,. Begals and Colts dictate our next move. He’s affraid to force the issue.
What exactly does Harbaugh do? He is more useless than a Colts coach. I love how they build up Colts head coaches. They do nothing but take up space on Manning’s sideline and then Manning is forced to say what a good job they do. Maybe Harbaugh could apply for that. Oh wait, he is taking up space here. Mr. Humble Harbaugh and his personal foul clan. Fear the Turtle.
Yea, sorry couldn't be there for ya
Haven’t really been around a computer too much this whole week and was out all day yesterday binging after the loss. Didn’t hurt as much as I thought it would, but I do hate when we lose the game because of things we did rather than what the Steelers did. We had great opportunites to capitalize on their mistakes and we didn’t.
I am nearly just as fed up with Harbaugh as you. Not as much as you, but getting there. I refuse to listen to any of his press conferences this week because it will just upset me that he will ignore every problem with this team when asked and try to look on the bright side. I can already hear him saying “Well, yes we did lose, but we are still in that driver seat. We are building a bullet. We win, and we will be taking that bullet to great places.” Sure, if we win we are in, but what the hell are YOU going to do against Brady and the calls we will get during that game? What the hell are you going to do at Cinci against a team that swept us already? Sometimes it looks like that these coaches start gameplanning Friday night after a field trip to ESPN Zone and Hard Rock Cafe.
raven, I disagree with you, respectively, about Cam Cameron. He did put together a very nice gameplan yesterday. We ask him to run it more with Rice, and Rice got 29 carries. Sure, no McClain, but Rice got 141 rushing yards yesterday. LeRon wasn’t running that well yesterday, so I think Rice still wore them down. Cam took shots on 1st and 2nd downs after we had run the ball multiple times in a row, so those were good calls. In my opinion, I think the image we get of Cam’s playcalling is a product of failing to execute by the players. Two of Joe’s best throws yesterday were dropped passes by Mason and Heap. The Heap pass was put where only Toddles could make it and he didn’t. And the Mason pass, well, you said it best. He was thinking of his dance moves rather than catching it. I think Joe throwing off his back foot on anything over 30 yards makes Cam look foolish. Because when joe does that, it tends to be a high pass and the CB’s have time to get to the spot, forcing the WR to fight for it rather than catch it in stride. I would give Cam’s gameplan yesterday a B+ and execution by the players a D.
I am starting to think if a Special Teams coach was the right decision. Sure it is only his 2nd year, but the SAME discipline situations have been in effect since week 1. When the fuck is it going to stop? I think Ozzie needs to start putting out fines for PF calls, cause we all know Harbaugh is too much of a pussy to get in a players face. I would LOVE to see a clip from a game of Harbaugh on the sidelines chewing out Ngata, Walker, Cousins or even Ray for christs sake. Get in their god damn faces and tell them they fucked up. But instead, he goes to the media and cherry coats it with “mental errors.” Give me a break John, you have to have an IQ of 10 to commit the same god damn fouls every week since the beginning of the season.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
MaLor, Do you believe yet?
That dream game between the Ravens and Bengals is still alive. Just beat the lowly Raiders who beat us. If Gradowski is in there it won’t be as easy a you may think but I think he is out.
Here I am getting your hopes up again. Your guys really blew a god chance yesterday. I turned over after the Bengals win started rooting for you just in time to see the penalty on Ben’s throw for an int. The penalty was not even an impact full one. It was a definite penalty though. It is all very confusing with all of the possibilities but here is hoping for the “dream game”. I want it as badly as you do. Win or lose.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
Grrrrr, here you go trying to make me smile again
I do think that you guys will lay down next week, let the Jets into the playoffs and in that, not play us first round, which is something I think your franchise wants. You much rather play the Jets than us, wouldn’t you? Easier win and get us out of the way against NE. Man, I do hate blaming games on refs, but Baltimore – New England, Tom Brady, in the playoffs just had stupid roughing the QB hits written all over it.
LET ME WIN IN OAKLAND FIRST BUNGLEJOHN!
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Might not happen that way
With Cincy the 4th seed and if the Jets beat the Bengals this week, they meet again in Cincy while we go to NE to play the Pats. If you can win Sunday night John, we’d appreciate and look forward to a third meeting. Help us help you!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Dec 28, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
I would rather we play the Ravens. I already told you that and meant it.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
Oops, meant to reply to MaLor
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
Fine then win Sunday night
They moved your game to prime time so then don’t lay down like Indy did.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Dec 29, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Bummer Bruce.............
You see I am not the coach. If I were we would never intentionally lay down. Oh we might play like it. Did you see the Bengals/Vikings game? But IMO it is important to not let the competitive mind set deteriorate. Particularly on this young team which depends so much on emotion. Once you let it fall there is not guarantee that it will come back. I think the Colts will regret the move and I don’t want to see us make the same mistake. If we lose I don’t mind it being to you any more than if we lost to anyone else but the win would be sweeter. We have nothing to lose. We have already far exceeded my exoectations and anything more would just be gravy.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
Bummer Bruce and Jungle John
What should my name be?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Moderator Malor
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by Baltimore Warrior on Dec 29, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Raven's
The ravens secondary is the worst. Even landry is terrible he blows coverages and get burnt all the time. Joe Flacco need to stop being a pocket passer. Oneil Cousins need to play pop warner football. Frank Walker should have been cut after pre season. The ravens need to act now and after the season get rid of a lot dead weight and spend some money for some good receivers and get a better secondary. Oh Chris Carr is a piece of shit to.
Cousins
Funny thing about his temper. He was a decent draft pick with high expectations a couple of years ago. He has a nasty streak that they liked but he always got in fights at Training Camp and now can’t control his temper on the field either! Buh-bye!
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by Bruce Raffel on Dec 28, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Clear up some cap room and get a good player
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by Baltimore Warrior on Dec 28, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
IF we make the playoffs...
…fine. At this point in time, our Ravens are just not competitive. Too many sophomoric mistakes, too lacking in discipline and too many times failure to execute. All we will do as a result of making the playoffs is lose the first round game and be done. Ultimately, we will just be picking lower in the order come draft time… I hope the best available is at draft time is a tough, hard-hitting cornerback.
My thoughts exactly...
I’m trying to stay as optimistic as the next guy, but do we really think that if the Ravens continue to play undisciplined football that we have any chance in the playoffs? Look at our schedule, any team playoff-bound will be found in our loss column. With the exception of San Diego (where we were only 1-2 plays away from losing) and Denver (who still could not make it). Let’s be realistic, unless some serious changes are made, we don’t stand a chance. After all, your not gonna find Chicago, Kansas City, or any of the other bottom-feeders that Baltimore has beaten, in the post season. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll have my fingers crossed. But……
by StuckInUtah on Dec 28, 2009 3:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Most likely one and done
but chance we can win in Cincy but certainly not beyond that. Look we are 2-5 onthe road this season. One win early on in Sd and the other squeaking by in Cleveland on MNF. What makes everyone so sure we can go across country and win at Oakland at this point!?
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by Bruce Raffel on Dec 28, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
good point
oakland seems to turn it on for their spoiler games. we cannot back into this one. They’re a 4-win team but all of their wins are against teams vying for playoff spots. despite getting blown out by awful teams, they obviously have the ability to turn it on in some games. We have to take this game seriously.
It would be a disgrace to lose to them and finish 8-8 but i admit—while cringing—that it is possible…
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
Wish list
You are right we have all of the other pieces besides the secondary bieng aggresive. The defense have to be more discipline but agressive.
2nd String
Back up players get paid to so when its their chance to shine they need to strap up and shine. second string shouldn’t play like high school players.
i don’t even want to listen to homers Garceau and Tommy Boy Davis because I know they will just put down all the pissed of and correct callers. I love how they cut short anyone with a negative word about the Ravens and Orioles -ESPECIALLY Jelly Belly Davis who turns red and anxious when a caller hates on a B-more team.
I’m hating my ass off with the sorry B-more teams. If it weren’t for the kids I’d trade the Orioles for a pro-basketball team. Can’t compete with the Yankees and Red Sox so why have a team? Man, the Ravens have the same record versus good teams as the Ravens do. They are so lucky they have great Baltimore fans that support the garbage they throw out on the field. When we get fed up with it after 15 years later they will say the fans stink and are negative toward the franchise. We the fans get so little in return for supporting these below average bums like we do. We get yesteredays team effort for supporting Suggs and Ngata and all the other bone headed, game trashing morons.
Yea, those radio stations suck
We lose in one of the worst, pathetic, most embarrassing ways possible yesterday and those guys on the radio and TV tell all of us fans why we are stupid and know nothing. I was listening to and watching Greg Stein and Brett something on 1057, doing their show in the Anita Marks radio station and one caller called in with his opinion on Corey Ivy and C-Mac. The caller criticized how Ozzie failed to address the situation when we saw the secondary wasn’t working in week 3, and this Brett guy flat out told the caller he knows nothing and was making all these smirk ass grins like “I know everything, I am on the radio and TV, you are calling me, you are wrong!”
I could run those radio shows with more passion and knowledge than some of those assholes out there. They were doing fantasy questions and Anita Marks said she liked Anthony Gonzalez this week at WR. Gonzalez had been on IR for like 8 weeks prior to that.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
We have horses ass like that in Philly
His name is Howard Eskin.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Dec 28, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I know about Eskin
My cousin is an Eagles fan and lives in Philly. He shows me clips of some of the most outrageous stuff ever. Stuff like Kolb is light years better than McNabb. I remember before the Eagles got Desean Jackson and Maclin, Eskin was saying that the Eagles will not have elite WR for therest of McNabbs career.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I guess that's what they do
Those clowns say controversial crap to get people talking, calling in, etc. That way they boost their ratings. I don’t listen. Of course, if I lived in Pittsburgh, I probably would listen to some sports show on the radio.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Dec 28, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
One caller today ripped the media
and wow was he cut off quickly with a wave of the arm! How dare anyone criticize them when they think they know so much more than we do. you’d think they would based on their access but they do this for a living and are just not as passionate about it as true fans are. Something I learned this summer.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Dec 28, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I listen to Baltimore Sports radio stations nearly every day in the morning and evening. A day has not gone by where I would love to just go to the radio station and truly ask the host how they can be that dumb.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Never seen Mason dance
True Derrick dropped a sure TD and winning teams don’t do that but I must stand up for him here. I have NEVER seen Derrick Mason do a Touchdown dance. Have any of you? I have not seen all his TDs of course but he never strikes me as the showboat type.
I thing Mason is a real pro but.........
that silly ass grin he had on his face after “stonehanding” that TD really put a sour taste in my mouth. If he had caught it he would have had something to dance about.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
Dude…he does Michael Jackson after every TD. He screwed up BIG tiem yesterday. BUT, I will never dog Mason because he carried this team through so much. There pros on this team that deserver being recognized for playing their heart out and NOT get a personal foul or dumb penalty when it counts. Gregg, Mason, Heap, Reeed, Rice, Zbi, Gaither, Oher, JJ play the game like men. The showboats and “I” guys have put this team threw hell -Suggs, Walker, Ngata and Lewis at times.
Mason
Dude is an all-time great under rated receiver on a team that hasn’t had a great passing game ever, he just makes big catches everytime the ball is thrown his way going back to his days in Nashville where he was tough as hell. I think he was just smiling in disbelief, as soon as i saw the double move at the bottom of the screen, I just said to myself, holy shit, Deshea Townsend just got beat like a rented mule and boom, he drops it. Just imagine, he catches that one, Clayton catches the one vs. the Pats, you could be 10-5 and alot of people’s favorite going into the dance. Very fine line in the NFL between winning and losing and 10-5 & 8-7. Try losing 5 games by 3 points, you think we got some what if’s up our sleeves????
"Coach Mike Tomlin promised that his Steelers would unleash hell, not look like it." Ed Bouchette PPG
just average...
all this talk and it means little…the team is just average…if we back into the playoffs, we’ll lose first round anyway at New England…would love to play Cincy again though…doubt we’d lose 3 times to them…then again, we did to Pitt last year…
The Ravens should start reloading for next year…they’re not going anywhere this year…sad, but true…
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