Ravens Fall Flat: Now What?
When the Baltimore Ravens dismantled the Denver Broncos last week, most people, including the oddsmakers, thought the Ravens' defense from last year had returned and that we would put a revenge beating on the Cincinnati Bengals yesterday after losing so embarassingly in the teams' first meeting, won by the Bengals 17-14 a month ago.
However, neither the Ravens, their fans or the oddsmakers realized that the Bengals weren't buying any of that, proving that their first victory was no fluke by doing almost the same thing in dominating the Ravens yesterday at home 17-7. While Cincinnati had to pull out the victory in the first game in the final seconds, this one was pretty much over in the first quarter, when the Bengals scored on their first two possessions to take a 14-0 lead that blossomed to 17-0 by halftime.
The Ravens scored their only points of the game in the fourth quarter and even had a chance to cut the Bengals lead to one score late in the game, but placekicker Steven Hauschka missed another critical field goal attempt that now has his job in serious jeopardy. At the same time, there should now be a bunch of positions that players' jobs should be in jeopardy as well, as the Bengals once again beat the Ravens in just about every phase of the game, starting with the trenches on both sides of the ball.
On offense, Cincinnati pushed Baltimore's front wall three and four yards backwards on every rushing attempt. Fans can complain all they want that we missed the injured Haloti Ngata, but the exact same thing happened in the first game when Ngata was healthy. The Bengals offensive line protected QB Carson Palmer perfectly whether we blitzed or not. When we didn't blitz, he sat back and waited until one of his receivers got open and hit him in the numbers, including a couple of circus catches by the big mouthed 85 guy who certainly backed up his words. In the few times we did blitz, the Bengals picked it up enough and there was always a wide open receiver to bail Palmer out. How many times did you notice our cornerbacks falling and slipping while the receivers made cuts and caught the ball for key first downs on their first two TD drives?
Defensively, we couldn't open holes for RB Ray Rice nor protect Joe Flacco. When Cincinnati blitzed, the pocket collapsed and Flacco couldn't find the open receiver anyway, as the Bengals secondary blanketed our receivers all day. Both Leon Hall and Johnathan Joseph played their best games of their seasons in our two meetings, effectively taking Derrick Mason out of the game and frustrating Flacco into throwing interceptions to take away any momentum that we might be on the verge of.
So now what? Looking at the remaining schedule and the way we've played with our backs against the wall, it appears two things are becoming clear. First of all, the Denver Broncos must have either played a terrible game in losing to us or they are merely pretenders and will get their clocks cleaned by a better Pittsburgh Steelers team tonight. Secondly, if we continue to lose the key games we need to win against the better teams in the league, we will finish no better than 8-8 this year. At this point, the games against Indianapolis, Pittsburgh (twice) and at Green Bay on MNF in the bitter cold all look like probable losses and if so, then the remaining games against Clevelnad, Chicago, Detroit and Oaklnad better be wins or a sub-.500 season is a very real possibility.
Time to see what is truly inside the Ravens hearts and heads and how, much less if, they can recover and salvage what is turning out to be such a disappointing season when there was so much promise.
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OK you guys helped us out so,
return the favor and crush Shitzburg.The Ravens are still a good team and still can beat Shitzburg STaELERS. Twice if you want it bad enough. We’ll do are best next week to help you guys out along with ourselves! LOL Good Luck the rest of the season.
by WHYUS!! on Nov 9, 2009 9:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Your intelligence is only flattered by your grammar.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Nov 9, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ravens best-case scenario is a split with pittsburgh. best possible case.
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
by jackmca on Nov 9, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop spotting the other team 14 points
One thing the Ravens need to do is stop spotting the opposing team 14 points in the first quarter. How many times have we given up so many points in the first quarter that we just can’t recover? Look at that Viking game. The defense just has not jelled for whatever reason. I think we need to rethink the defensive line. No one is impressing me at all there. Where are the big plays? Last week Jarret Johnson dropped a sure interception – this week it was Fabian Washington. I am not impressed with the linebackers this year and it isn’t just that Bart Scott is gone. They aren’t plugging the holes. Ray is Ray but he can’t do it all himself. Too bad Jason Phillips was injured this year – he’s a ball hawk. Suggs is not showing up and isn’t the monster he once was. I am seeing no energy from Pryce, Gregg, Edwards, Bannen or even Ngata for that matter.
I was not a Kyle Boller fan but it just goes to show you that with no blocking any QB can look like Kyle Boller. There was one point where the Bengals had 12 first downs and we had 14 total plays from scrimmage! No one came to play. Is Gano still available? This is not our season. We can still hope to break even but don’t expect any post season for these guys. And even though the refs were not to blame for the game – there is clear bias. That would mean to me that you try even harder to not make penalties because you know they are watching us closely.
by Rayfan1 on Nov 9, 2009 9:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
BENGALS ATOP
the AFC North, and deservedly so. Being a frustrated Ravens fan right now, you guys are making a strong statement. Personally speaking, I believe you’re the Top team in the Division right now, and possibly the entire AFC. With the Ravens hoping for, at best, a wild card, I sure as hell hope the Bengals take it to the Steelers this coming Sunday – you have the better team, now show it!
by ravens347 on Nov 9, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
We'll do are best,
should be a good game if Shitzburg doesn’t decide to pull some stupid cheap shots. That seams to happen a lot when they get their backs against a corner.It happens to everybody they play, that pushes back !!
by WHYUS!! on Nov 9, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Homefield Advantage -
remember, the Steelers tend to get calls their way, Especially at Ketchup field. I’ll be pulling for you guys. You guys have the makings of a legit SB contender this year.
by ravens347 on Nov 9, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!!
pertty classy guy, unlike most STEaLER fans.
by WHYUS!! on Nov 9, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Ravens cannot win the division, I would want the Bengals to do so because of the respect I have for Marvin Lewis and of course the hate I have for Pitt and the Browns are just pathetic and wont be a contender anyway. Always been a Chad fan to. Carson is probably the quarterback in the league that gets the least credit for how good he really is. He has everything to be up there with Manning, Brady and Brees.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 9, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
…but as was the case for me with the Boston RedSox, my hatred for Cincy is developing. For now, cincy fans, I readily concede that you are the better team in 2009. No question about that. You owned us.
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
by jackmca on Nov 9, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and you are classy?
look in the mirror
by WARDANE33 on Nov 9, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do all people in Cincinnati learn the same grammar as you? johnny s may i refer to a slightly altered quote of yours?
your intelligence is only flattered by your spelling.
by Bleed-Black&Gold on Nov 12, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t think that’s going to happen, Bengals are a team about to get exposed much like Denver
by kolt45 on Nov 10, 2009 4:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't see that happening.
If they play the way they did against us and Chicago the past two weeks.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, did the Ravens lose?
I turned off the debacle toward the end of the second quarter, never looked back and moved on to more meaningful things in my life. I just couldn’t watch the game any further. What a horrific game. I can’t express my disappointment enough. The Ravens were supposed to be a playoff-caliber team. They are not. I predicted a 9-7 record and they WILL NOT finish better than that. What more can be said? They were flat-footed all game, beaten off the ball on both sides, lethargic, way too deliberate and just didn’t show any sense of urgency! Geez, am I pissed!
by Smiley4660 on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
10-6
Actually, I’m as pissed as you. However, I do feel, deserving or not, that the Ravens could finish 10-6. They’ll have to split with Pittsburgh(which is definitely doable; we match up well with them), and then steal one at Green Bay, again doable. The others, no gurantees for sure, are the Clowns (totally dysfunctional right now); da Bears; Raiders; and Lions.
by ravens347 on Nov 9, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
10-6= Best case scenario
we’ll split with the steelers, and i h8 to say it, but I don’t see us stopping Peyton Manning. either way, 10-6 won’t cut it for the playoffs and this will go down as one of the most dissapointing seasons in Ravens history
by ravsagain on Nov 9, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you can't be too mad about 10-6
especially because finishing 10-6 will have meant that we went on a tear in the second-half of the season. But that’s why I don’t think it would happen.
being swept by Pitt is obviously a real possibility. It would pretty much ruin my life, but it could still happen. Let’s say we split with pitt, lose to Indy and lose in GB. That’s 9-7, and we’ll need for a few other teams to implode in order for that to be good enough for the playoffs.
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
by jackmca on Nov 9, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but didn’t the jets and pats finish like 11-5 last year and not make the playoffs? add on the fact that the bengals are 4-0 in the division, and will probably at worst finish 5-1, the steelers are defending champs, i find it hard for three teams to finish in the AFC north
I do thjink we can stop Green Bay though.. they can’t protect Rodgers
It’s still disapointing bcuz we go undefeated in the preseason, start 3-0, and i start thinking this is the year, and now we’re .500 in one of the toughest divisions in football.. i’m still crossing my fingers, but i don’t wanna get my hopes up too high bcuz i don’t wanna be crushed more than i already am.
by ravsagain on Nov 9, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Time to pack it in
C’mon guys…its over…it wasnt meant to be, this isnt the team to take us to the Super Bowl or even the playoffs. We will finish 8-8 with losses to the Colts, twice to Steelers and Green Bay…possibly even Bears to put us at 7-9. Hauschka needs to be released this week to send a message to the fans. Ray Rice even said yesterday “we came out and played slow”, thats so nice to hear from the team I love and cheer for every Sunday, that they come out and play like a bunch of slouches and don’t really care. I am so fed up with this team and their attitude, it isn’t fair to the fans that pay their hard earned money in this economy to buy their jerseys and tickets to watch them play. I feel like I’ve been slapped in the face by this team and they should be ashamed of themselves.
by ShaneOmacDaddy on Nov 9, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Atta boy Shane
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 9, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Graham Gano
is 6 for 7, with a long of 53 yards for the Las Vegas UFL team. He also has made 12 of 12 XP’s. I knew it, I said, you saw it: We kept the wrong guy. Time to give him a call and get him back on board. Any Florida State kicker is better prepared for the pros than an NC State one.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 9, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He didn't prove it for us though, and i bet there's less pressure in the UFL than the nfl
Everyone misses kicks, and although that kick would have been huge because it would have changed our offensive approach on that last drive, it didn’t help that we were flat out out played in the first quarter
by ravsagain on Nov 9, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gano was only one for three with us
but that is way too small a number of chances to get a decent read. He was the better kicker in camp, had the stronger leg, could punt (was Sporting News All ACC punter) and was real fast which means he can run down longer kickoffs and make the last tackle before the TD.
He is much better in pressure situations and still would be worth a chance, as what do we have to lose.
That said, I heard we were looking at the former NY Jet Mike Nugent, who was pretty decent. His bro played a mean hard rock guitar!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 9, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this has been one of the most frustrating seasons
all around from getting our hopes up after each win, to failing just short, to not playing to our potential. I don’t understand it.
by ryantz on Nov 9, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Defensively dominated
It’s funny that of all the games, it’s the Bengals that have stiffled our offense the most. Even though they threw at will, they still only put up 17 points. This offense must be able to top that and they couldn’t do it either game. I don’t get the undisciplined penalties / bad calls that have plagued us this year. I wonder if having the ball control offense of last year would have made a difference this year.
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk - Tuco
by ravoriobulleterpitals on Nov 9, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ball control O is all they needed but Cam gives up on the run with just a hint of the other team having a lead.
by raven on Nov 9, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fans can complain all they want that we missed the injured Haloti Ngata, but the exact same thing happened in the first game when Ngata was healthy.
Bruce I really like that you pointed this out. I kept wondering what was happening and I’ll be looking very closely for numbers on jerseys on the NFL Replay because I want to know who’s failing to control their gaps and who’s losing their line-of-scrimmage battles. We all love Gregg and company, but one of our favorite players isn’t getting it done.
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
by jackmca on Nov 9, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
also, as much as i hate to say it
Flacco did seem to get rattled out there. There was one pass that Ndukwe should have definitely intercepted but didn’t, and watching it on the wire-cam (with the QB’s line of sight) it just became so obvious that Flacco was not thinking clearly and throwing to a guy who wasn’t even open. In some cases you do that with one of those “where-only-the-receiver-can-catch it” throws, but this was one of those “where-only-the-safety-can-catch-it” throws. No es bueno.
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
by jackmca on Nov 9, 2009 1:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
First of all, the Denver Broncos must have either played a terrible game in losing to us or they are merely pretenders and will get their clocks cleaned by a better Pittsburgh Steelers team tonight.
well this is where divisional matchups come into play. They were interviewing one of the Bangals’ O-Linemen this week and he talked about the Ravens “shock factor.” Teams that know us, like Pitt and Cincy, are quite apparently desensitized to the shock factor and can still stay composed and find our flaws. Denver, apparently, fell victim to the shock factor and never found any kind of rhythm. Orton especially seemed intimidated.
So while that doesn’t bode well for them against an even more aggressive and unforgiving Pittsburgh defense, it also doesn’t mean that the Broncos are “pretenders.” 12-4 or 13-3 are still possibilities for them and they do have a recipe that many teams have trouble defending against.
"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden
by jackmca on Nov 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The season, as far as playoffs and Superbowls, is probably over. We’re a distant third in our own division, and there’s several competitive wildcard teams in other divisions.
We still have to face Indy, Pittsburgh twice, Chicago at home, and Green Bay on the road.
We’ll also face Detroit, Cleveland, and Oakland.
7-9 to 10-6 is probably our range of records, and 10-6 probably won’t get us into the playoffs, so it’s better to sit back, relax and enjoy what we can, and hope for some of the young players to develop so that we can have a stronger season next year.
by math_geek on Nov 9, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I still love our Ravens but my hopes were all but dashed yesterday. Actually, they were crushed. If 10-6 won’t buy you a playoff spot, I’d really rather see us totally tank so that we can draw higher draft picks to sure up a couple of gaping, sucking chest wounds we have. Ugh!!!!!
by Smiley4660 on Nov 9, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's easy...
season over…stop thinking we’re good…we’re not…
by Ravenator on Nov 9, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We’re an embarrassment. What a classy organization we have. What great facilities we have. Michael Oher gets a movie. Ed Reed is on Sports Center every night. Ray is a beastly team leader. BFD. Blow it up and start over. Start with Cam who can’t follow any recipe for success. The guy makes some nice calls but his feel for the game stinks. Feel for the game separates coaches from champs.
How anyone can see success with the DB’s we have is beyond me. I thought they grew up last week but cemented themselves as the shirt grabbers they are. Too small and stupid. They can’t even stay on their feet half the time. 7 million dollar man Foxy has more grass stains than a gardener. The combo of Webb and Carr was comical. Ocho must have thought he was on the yellow brick road with those munchkins.
by raven on Nov 9, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Surprising that they can't seem to repeat
the success from one week to the next. They do well one game than rather than repeat that gameplan, they change it up and it all goes to hell. A lot of people say you take what the defense gives you, but to me that is the loser’s approach. Do you think for a second that Peyton Manning and Tom Brady give a shit what the defense “gives” them? No, they make the defense adjust to them, not the other way around!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Need to release Houshka, Carr, Webb, Walker, Fabian, Gooden, Nakamura, Zibby, Edwards for obvious reasons.
Houshka can’t hit easy FG’s.
Carr can’t cover and can’t return.
Webb can’t cover and is 1 dimensional.
Walker can’t cover and fouls.
Fabian can’t cover and fouls.
Gooden is dumb and always out of position.
Nakamura too small for Safety and too slow for DB.
Zibby same as above.
Edwards dumb and always in the wrong gap with his head stuck in the chest of the O-lineman.
Suggs contract will haunt us for years.
by raven on Nov 9, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whoa man, totally wrong there
Webb looked rather good yesterday and made a bunch of solid tackles. He was one of the few players I was impressed with yesterday for playing an overall game. He is a rookie, not Darrelle Revis, raven.
So what would you expect we do if we cut Fabian, Walker, Carr, Zbi and Ruki? Who would play DB for us then? Stupid to think that raven. We are still in the Harbaugh transition phase and it is hard to get everything you want when you are creating a new team and a new image.
Sometimes you just have to make due with what you have and I do not think that cutting our current players would improve this team what so ever. It is not like we are going to just replace those guys with pro bowlers and first round picks. No, we would end up signing conventional players who would bring much of the same things to our team that we already have.
Calm down.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 9, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These guys are dead weight. Ozzie didn’t make the obvious moves and now we are paying for it. Leading the league in pass interference because we can’t stay with average receivers…give me a break. After a win our D THOUGHT they were tough. Reed returned to his non-wrapping tackle attempts. Poor tackling all around. This Edwards guy is a joke so far. Gooden doesn’t bring anything to the table. We have a few stars and house full of 2nd teamers. It is okay to bring a few guys along but THE ENTIRE D BACKFIELD. A joke.
by raven on Nov 9, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of those guys were good enough last year
So now what’s the problem that is being exposed?
Same problem last season that we were able to turn into something positive. We didn’t get many sacks last year but QB’s threw into coverage and we got the INT’s. How come not happening this year? Pass rush is even worse (missing Bart’s blitzing) and DB’s not as good (w/o Rolle and Leonhard)? Not sure, but they might be possibilities.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bart and Leonhard are missed no matter what people say. Anyone see last years video of Bart keeping Ocho from talking up our team. Our players kept getting baited by the guy and Bart kept stepping in. Maybe Bart was the D leader. Leonhard brought toughness. Both of these traits are missing.
by raven on Nov 10, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With Cincy missing opportunities too but Ravens were screwed out of a TD with Mason again being held. Ocho got the call in the first quarter with some minor arm contact. Mason never gets the call. He should of thrown his helmet again. He was actually grabbed twice on his way to the end zone. He would have caught the ball easy for a 17-14 game and all the momentum. More referee crap- we had to red flag twice to win a break.
The real reason for the loss-
Cam panicked early. Rice only had 12 runs. Cam hid behind Mason who gave us the worst performance of his Raven career. Mason decided Sunday not to come back on his passes but instead take arching breaks on the ball. Cam ignored Kelly and Clayton as Joe pounded a well covered Mason. With Rice and Heap managing to get open, Cam continued to seek out his security blanket Mason on all meaningful downs.
The drive that resulted in Houshka’s miss was a carbon copy of our final drive against the Vikings. Rice earned the tough yards to get us barely in FG range. On first down, Cam throws patience out the window and airs it out to Mason in the end zone. This left 2nd and 10. We managed to inch the ball forward with Rice and Heap but again left the game on the young kickers foot.
With the way Rice was coming alive this 1st down pass to Mason was a frustrating waist. It was all or nothing in a NOT so all or nothing part of the game. We had the momentum. We had them back pedaling. We had Rice on a roll. BUT AGAIN CAM can’t wait to chuck it and put us in a 2nd and long. We were quickly doomed for the TD.
After the Bengals first drive Sunday, I turned it off and did some yard work. I know the Ravens and when they start like that they rarely get it together. They were dead coming out of the gate. Cam just solidified it.
by raven on Nov 9, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Houska can’t kick from left of center. The ball needs to be on the right hash for him.
by raven on Nov 10, 2009 12:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Then it's time to go
If you can’t adjust and compensate for your shortcomings, time to find another job.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now what? Play some Football!!
The Ravens are still playing in the ‘Any Given Sunday’ league as evidenced by their last 2 games. Can the Ravens make the playoffs, absolutely! What Ravens team will show up on Sundays is the question. Inconsistent play has troubled the Ravens throughout their history. To make a run this year they need to get beyond that & get some help from other teams. There are no DOMINANT teams this year. When the Ravens bring their A game they can compete with anyone. Harbaugh needs to stop rolling his eyes, believing what the media writes & accept his responsibility for being the leader of this team & get their heads on straight. One thing I respect about this team is that they don’t lay down. They will keep fighting. Exciting games are ahead, win or lose I’m looking forward to them. Good Luck Baltimore!
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 10, 2009 8:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
"When the Ravens bring their A game..."
That’s the problem, “when.” No one, including the Ravens know when or if they will bring it week to week. That is not the mark of a winner. It is the mark of a whining, almost made it but just missed team that watches the playoffs from their sofas.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce, I decided to wait a day before responding................
With the exception of a couple of comments to the deserving here. I did this out of respect for your organization and for you and your site members. Listen it takes more than a 6-2 first half to make a team with a history of losing a dominate one. It also takes more than a 4-4 start to diminish the status of a team with a winning tradition such as the Ravens. Every team changes over time as the talent ebbs and flows. The Bengals have finally come up with a pretty good combination and the Ravens have had the inevitable bad first half which at .500 is actually considered acceptable in Cincy.
I think your team knows that they need a “tune up” and tried to make up for a bit of fall off with enthusiasm and it exhibited itself as over aggressiveness resulting in penalties. They are proud players and are trying to overcome. You cannot blame them for that. Ozzie has a history of coming back after a bad year with a combination of FA and draft moves to put you back in contention. You guys have a very good team. You can beat probably 20 or more teams on a consistent basis and a few others on any given Sunday. Your season is not over. You have an uphill road but it seems that they generally respond favorably when the going gets tough.
I am proud of the Bengals for winning both games against the Ravens because the Ravens are a very tough opponent and overcoming them is something to be proud of. The Ravens are not bad – the Bengals are just pretty good so far this season. Those of you who are worthy fans will continue to back a team which has given you so much to be proud of over the years. I, for one Bengals fan, hope you can find the formula to get it back in the second half. We will need help with the Steelers as this game coming up will be a tough one.
BTW Chad makes a lot of DBs fall down and look stupid. Even the best DBS have a hard time with him. Like him or not he is a top notch WR. One of the best 4 or 5 on the NFL. Covering him and Coles and Caldwell if Carson has 4-5 seconds is almost impossible and Carson IMO is as good at delivering as anyone.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
by JUNGLEJOHN on Nov 10, 2009 9:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the positive comments, JJ
But the problem us Ravens fans have that perhaps the Bengals didn’t is “expectations.” Four minutes away from making the Super Bowl last year left us hungry for the next step. Whether we finish 10-6 and if we make the playoffs is not the goal, playing and winning the Super Bowl was and anything less will be considered a poor season. Not being able to beat the better teams proves we are further away than we thought. That is our frustration. We know we a re a good team, but not good enough. Simple, but that’s it. Thanks again.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice of you to speak at our wake…as Junglejohn places a single rose on our casket. nice words spoken by all opponents.
by raven on Nov 10, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eswpecially
the winning ones!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have expectations too.....
unfortunately what we expect is for us to collapse and be mediocre again. We are playing very well. This is probably the best team we have had since the SB year decades ago. Still we are in a real dog fight for the division. It just illustrates how tough it is to go to the playoffs in our division. It is a further testament to the Steelers and Ravens who have been able to do it over and over. We are visiting where you guys have lived for years and that is hardly a reason to gloat. If we go to the playoffs and if we go deep into them and if we can do it next year gain then we can stick our chests out a bit. But those are lots of ifs.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
by JUNGLEJOHN on Nov 10, 2009 9:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, you guys are
legit contenders this year, and for years to come. You have both a solid D, and a smash-mouth O. You just need to get over the hump, and pummel the Stillers this weekend. Just do it!
by ravens347 on Nov 10, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We didi it. Now it is your turn.
" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran
by JUNGLEJOHN on Nov 15, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we haven’t been to the playoffs nearly enough with the talent that WAS on this team.
by raven on Nov 10, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We just spoiled
fans with really high expectations, and for the most part, justifiably so.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys
I want to sincerely congratulate your team for two tough games. We were lucky to come out on top in both of them. Also, wanted to say thanks for the classy attitudes you guys all displayed towards us. It’s a policy that I try to share, and I appreciate the respect shown for fellow fans. It’s something we never get from other fans in our division (cough, Steelers, cough) but refreshing.
Good luck the rest of the way, and please, for goodness’ sake, sweep the Steelers.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
by ZJiff30 on Nov 10, 2009 11:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Luck
had nothing to do with it. You guys have the better team, period! Given the state of affairs with our sorry sad sack of a team this year, nothing would make me happier than to sweep the Steelers this year, or at least pound them come Sunday night at M&T Stadium when the Steelers come to play. This team has alot to avenge from last year, and it starts at home in a couple of weeks. We seem to match up better against the Steelers, than the Bengals.
by ravens347 on Nov 11, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll certainly see how well
we match up in the next few weeks. But this is a much different year than last season, as we have seen so far in 2009.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s alot of bold.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 11, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s okay. the only thing BOLD in b-more these days is the type face.
by raven on Nov 13, 2009 10:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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