The Morning After: This One Still Really Hurts
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 23, 2009 8:48 AM EST
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PrintIronically, the last time a Baltimore Ravens' loss hurt this much the next day was the 2006 playoff loss to this same Baltimore Colts' team. That game was extremely similar as the Ravens could only muster field goals rather than getting the ball into the end zone. All too familiar was the late red zone interception that sealed the win for the Colts and sent home optimistic Ravens fans with the same notion that their season was over.
While there are still six games left in the 2009 season, the Ravens would have to go undefeated for a chance to make the playoffs at this point. Playoffs! Playoffs? Wha, you're talking about playoffs!? To add to the misery, I said all week that I'd prefer to get blown out by the Colts than to lose on a Matt Stover field goal, so what ended up being the difference? A Matt Stover field goal after our new kicker, Billy Cundiff, go the loudest ovation for just a field goal in Ravens history, but despite hitting five field goals, still missed a chip shot that might have made a difference in the game's outcome.
Isn't it interesting how the oddsmakers knew exactly what they were doing when they opened up the betting line with the Ravens a one point favorite? Enough money was put on the Colts to move the line to Indy -1.5, and look what happens, they win the game by two points. Hmmm...something might smell a bit fishy if you were a wagering man.
But we digress from the task at hand, which is bashing the playcalling and even more so, the lack of execution. No one would be complaining about what plays were called if the players did their jobs on the field and executed them successfully. How does our quarterback look so good at the beginning of the season that not only are we talking about going to the Super Bowl, but our QB is also headed to the Pro Bowl. Now the team has not scored a first half offensive touchdown in the first half of a NFL game since week four against the New England Patriots. That's a streak of six games, and we've only scored two offensive TD's in the past three game in total. Not only is that definitely not a Super Bowl team, it certainly isn't a Pro Bowl QB either.
Say what you want about how good Joe Flacco is, give him a pass if you want for only being a second year player or blme it all on the lack of wide receivers or the playcalling. However, the kid has just not gotten it done, looks like he is regressing and has had a huge hand in some of these losses that have the levels of frustration amongst the fans at a boiling point with our most hated opponents getting ready to come into our house for what was supposed to be the battle for the division lead in the AFC North.
Flacco's interception while we were on the doorstep of scoring the go ahead touchdown was thrown right smack dab into the heart of the Colts' defense. He tried to throw it to Derrick Mason, who was not only covered, he was double or perhaps even triple teamed at the time. All day, Mason had scholled the Colts injury-depleted secondary with outside moves and when I saw him lined up outside I was like, "good, make a fake inside and Flacco will hit you in the front corner of the end zone fo rthe TD." In slow motion, I saw him cut across the middle and started shouting "nooooo..." and the interception came just as I expected. that's now three red zone interceptions in games that the Ravens have lost by less than seven points by the second year Flacco (including Cincinnati, New England)
Ironically, every team in the AFC North went down to defeat yesterday and a win over Indy would have came at a great time, as both us and the Steelers would be meeting next week at 6-4, with the Bengals only a game ahead of us at 7-3. ut alas, that is not to be the case, as the Ravens sit at .500 and with Pittsburgh coming in at 6-4, the battle is now to just see which team finishes in second and third place in the AFC North.
I know there have been a lot of comments posted here on The Beatdown, and hopefully you'll continue to vent more at the bottom of this post as well. Leave your thoughts, advice and frustrations to "add company to my misery!"
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Play calling stunk up Ravens Stadium
Cam “Cavanaugh” has now firmly established himself. That was some of the worst play calling and execution ever. The Colts just aren’t that good and we just aren’t that bad. But alas, another winnable game and yet another defeat. 9-7 looks barely reachable now. The Steelers are going to be fuming after falling to the Chiefs and they’re going to come here pissed. Ugh!!!
Couple of things:
- IT’S MATT STOOOOOOOOOVER! That video cracks us Colts fans up. I mean really, it’s high comedy. And highly appropriate!
- That makes it seven consecutive Colts wins over the Ravens.
- Yeah, that was just a lovely elbow jab by Haloti Ngata. I mean, he’s a nose tackle taking a cheat shot at a wide receiver already on the ground on a play that lost yardage. How petty do you have to get to do that?
- Nice job putting “Indy” on the scoreboard instead of “Colts”. You stay classy, Baltimore.
- How does no one ever call IU about Cam Cameron? It’s as if he leaves it off his resume JUST so no one calls so we can’t tell them how terrible he was.
- Watching Ray Lewis get juked out of his shoes by Addai on his TD run was just awesome. We spent a good three or four minutes just rewinding it and going “Back, and to the left… Back, and to the left…” He’s a great, smart linebacker, but he’s lost a step.
- Harbaugh needs to pick his challenges better. The Wayne challenge was just dumb, and cost you guys a chance at a game winning field goal.
- Tell Ed Reed not to lateral.
- Tough break about Fabian Washington. It always sucks to see a player go down like that. I hope it’s not too bad.
- For once, you can complain about the Ref’s not calling a penalty against you guys. Gaither pretty obviously false started on the Flacco interception.
BTW, the Colts ARE that good. We spotted you three turnovers. You STILL couldn’t win. We spotted you SEVEN red zone trips. You STILL couldn’t win. The Colts played like crap. You STILL couldn’t win. See you in the playoffs! Oh yeah, that’s right, you probably won’t make it. Well, enjoy the middle of next year’s draft!
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by MonkeyBusiness on Nov 23, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
What a classy post by you.
But seriously, Indianapolis Professional Football Team? Not nice.
A great effort by your team. Hope you beat Pitt twice and stay in the hunt.
The Colts and the Patriots should help your cause by possibly beating the Texans and Jaguars. Broncos should help your cause by being the Broncos. And the Bengals still have SD and Minnesota to play.
Perhaps I do, so
enlighten me, if you please.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 23, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with the Indy reference
but know for a fact that the announcer always refers to the opponent’s when we play at home by their city name. Supposedly this is a past issue. But I understand that while this game was close, the Colts did lose a turnover at the goal line and probably would have done whatever they needed to win and probably would have.
That’s why I said I’d have preferred to be blown out than to have our hearts ripped out again,…and again….
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by Bruce Raffel on Nov 23, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
We spotted you a 2nd year qb, 1 receiver and a 2nd year running back. we spotted you a PF, fumble, INT on the 5 and a new kicker. Your days are numbered with Manning and then your back to decades of obscurity. Who wants to go to Indy. Watch the Rams. That’s you when Manning hangs them up or get’s old.
At least you didn't get punked by the effin CHEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Errrrrrrrr.
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-George Carlin
lol... Losing to the Chiefs...
It amazes me how mediocre Pittsburgh is without Polamalu. I wouldn’t think one player (aside from a QB) could make that big of an impact on a team. Then again… Tennessee sucks without Haynesworth.
by invisibulman on Nov 23, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I dont hear you running your mouth today?
What’s up with that? Oh yea, your football team sucks to. Guess that is why.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I wouldn't say that
as they sit a game ahead of us. At least keep our mouths shut until AFTER we win!
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by Bruce Raffel on Nov 24, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
2009: Coming up short against the leagues good teams. This year’s team is just missing that discipline and associated focus that took them on a run last year. This quote from Mason sums it up: “In order to beat a 9-0 team, you have to do the little things … we didn’t do it, so we came out with a loss.” That sums up the 2009 Ravens. Bummer.
Bruce
I won’t call you by your old trolling name, but it’s truly funny first you go all over the web announcing about the good old band and the bad old Colts leaving town and how you and the state have gotten over it and wouldn’t want them back.
Then you outdo yourself with this piece of……..this post. It seems you will do anything for a hit “2006 Baltimore Colts” lol the truth is the INDIANAPOLIS COLTS are better than the old baltimore colts ever was and that more than anything sticks in your craw.
For the record,
the old Baltimore Colts won 2 NFL championships, and one SB - the current Indy Irsays have won just ONE SB. You have a ways to catch up, my friend.
Shouldn’t you be busy breeding with your cousin?
Joe Flacco's eyebrows have been charged with several penalties this season, most for acting as an "ineligible receiver downfield".
what the heck you talking about
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Nov 23, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Are you serious?
I try to get some opinions and you go postal over me on your site for just bringing up the issue related to a current show on ESPN. Not too sure why you want to label this post as a piece…..
I put my thoughts down and they’re pretty critical of my team while saying that your team is indeed better than ours and I even thought so when I made the prediction Sunday morning that you would win. So what’s the deal with YOUR hostility and trolling, if that’s how you define it.
The Indy Colts are a very good team and Peyton Manning is one of the best and Johnny Unitas would be honored to have them compared, just as Peyton is. But better than the Colts ever were? That’s a stretch compared to a team that played “The Greatest Game Ever Played” , won two NFL Championships plus played in two and won one Super Bowl. You want to compare that to the one Super Bowl Indy won and the countless other underachievements that left them close by no cigar over the years? Seriously? You’ve got to be kidding. You lost all credibility with that last portion of commentary.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 23, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I see nothing of Bruce talking shit
So what the hell is your deal. Grow up.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Let it go, Baltimore!
Let’s see, it’s been around 20 years since the Colts left Baltimore to come to Indy. Obviously, none of the team members or coaches from them are still active with the team. The original owner Bob Irsay, who is now deceased, made the decision to leave Baltimore. I agree it was very sneaky how he did it. But that doesn’t mean the Colts team needs to be dissed and not respected 20 years later! Peyton Manning will go down as a legend in the NFL Hall Of Fame. He greatly respects Baltimore Colt Johnny Unitas. I was disappointed to learn that the name of the team, the Colts, is not displayed on your scoreboard when hosting the game with them in Baltimore. That sounds like major sour grapes to me, that have now fermented beyond rotten.
Just let it go, which will bring good karma back to you!
I don’t have an answer as to why the elder Irsay left Baltimore…was it because he felt his fan base was dwindling, that the city didn’t want to help invest in the teams infrastructure to help keep them there? Who knows, again I agree it was underhanded the way he did it, but things happen for a reason. In fact, your young team Baltimore Ravens won a Super Bowl, didn’t take them long at all! It took the “Indy” team twenty years! I highly respect the Ravens defense, especially guys like Ray Lewis, and Joe Flacco reminds me of a young Peyton Manning. He’ll get better, just give him time. Let’s have true sportsmanship again among the fans, remember, bottom line, it all boils down to “It’s just a game!”
by Orangedude_2004 on Nov 23, 2009 1:07 PM EST reply actions
Geez,
not used to hearing a rational conversation between fans….always good to hear. We here in Baltimore, for the most part, don’t have anything against the Colts, just its late owner. We’ve, or at least I, have moved on. The Ravens are here, and they’ve been successful. Regarding the Colts success, again, we have no animosity towards them. In fact, Peyton is one of the most respected individuals in any sport and is well-liked – he is a future HOFer; a class act; and respectful of the greats, including Johnnie U. I suppose what you hear emanating from the mouths of some Bmorons is simply jealousy, that’s all.
I actually think it's funny...
All the Baltimore Colts rivalry stuff. I heard Ray Lewis suggest that the Ravens pull up in a Mayflower truck before the playoff game a few years ago. I would have been ROFL. That is brilliant! Even people here in Indy recognize that Sr. Irsay was a drunken @ss. We were all pleased when turned over control of the organization. It’s been over 20 years now and these are two of the best run organization in the NFL. Indy doesn’t really consider this a rivalry game, but any game against a good team with playoff implications is fun.
I will point out the irony though that while Baltimore had it’s team stolen… they went and stole Cleveland’s team 13 years later. I think the people of Cleveland clearly got the fuzzy end of this lollipop. They are stuck watching the Browns… and they have to live in Cleveland.
by invisibulman on Nov 23, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Well said
except the part of us “stealing” the Browns. Know the NFL’s choice of bypassing our legit attempt to get a franchise, while Indy just accepted our team, name and colors without any desire to start their own legacy. That said, I’m over it and realize that Jim Irsay’s only tie to his dad is the last name, which is rough to overcome, but I realize the huge difference between the men and the way they run the team.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 24, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Know the facts first
Our opponents are ALWAYS listed on the scoreboard as their city’s name, not the nickname. Just our Ravens get the nickname treatment. The rest is just an old wive’s tale. Get over it yourself!
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by Bruce Raffel on Nov 23, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
It would be nice to let it go.....
…but it’s kind of hard when we have to take national scorn everytime we play the Browns, yet Indy gets little treatment if any. It’s ironic too, b/c Browns fans have their records and uniforms and history, while we don’t. I don’t know of a fan that doesn’t like Peyton, he’s a class act and one worthy of following and surpassing Unitas. He’s what a QB should be, calling his own plays and leading the team. You HAVE to understand though the beating in the media creates a lot of resentment, plus I have to be honest, I don’t know of a Ravens fan that would go to Cleveland and rub it in to their fans that they moved to Bmore, yet every Colts game, Indy fans love to be smug and laugh that we were frustrated. At least some quiet respect/understanding between everyone would be nice.
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by ravoriobulleterpitals on Nov 23, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I like how the media plays up the Indy coach..like he has anything to do with anything on that team. Manning and Mudd run the whole show.
Probably same as any team
Win and everyone likes the coaching staff. Lose and it’s everyone’s fault except the untouchable stars on the team. Trust me, this one’s on Flacco, who threw poorly when he needed to a is way to obviously checking down way too soon to Ray Rice way too often. Way too.
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by Bruce Raffel on Nov 23, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
The most disturbing thing about this whole game was Ngatas PF. That’s not a break down in coverage or misplayed route. It’s a deliberate meditated act. That 15 yards was as big as any other during the game. It resulted in 3 points and the victory for Indy. How many times will our “stars” take it upon themselves to cheap shot someone and hurt the team. They are not team players at that point. They are losers. Thank you Ngata.
Knowing Ngata from Training Camp
while it may have looked bad, he wasn’t doing it deliberately, just too slow to react to the play being over and putting his arms up to slow himself down and limit contact. Just my take on the play, that still was a dumb penalty.
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by Bruce Raffel on Nov 24, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
We do not dictate games offensively when we HAVE a decent D to back up mistakes. If anything, bad teams should go conservative on O. We are far too talented to not stick it to teams.
We have had success running gimmick plays. We are at our best when everyone on O gets involved. Where is the Troy Smith wild cat to change it up. Where is the end around. If you can’t trust the other 3 receivers on your team than you have to change the thinking of the opponents D.
This worked in Dallas, it worked against the Bengals last year. We have simply stopped being creative. Why? What is Cam affraid of. Maybe he thinks he can extend his career by hiding behind Ray and Ed like everyone else has for years. Maybe creativity puts him in the light and he won’t run that risk. We are bread and butter. Watch Rice, watch Mason. Game over.
A bunch of local media say
we take what the opposing defense gives us. Gee, you thunk Peyton or Brady or Drew say that!?
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by Bruce Raffel on Nov 24, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Vinny Flacco stinks in the red zone. How many crucial INT’s has he thrown? Enough already. No wonder Rice is the constantly checked down to.
Mason need to come back on the ball. Again, yesterday (despite his great stats) he ran loopy routes in the first 1/2 and gave the defenders time to catch up and smack the pass away. He needs to REALLY come back on the ball to help Joe out. He might be tired being the only threat. Who knows….
Cam does not know what to do between the 35 and 20 yard line. That is his poison. He can’t figure it out. His temptation to throw deep outweighs reason and Rice’s ability to extend the drive.
McClaine will leave next year and start at RB for another team. Not using him on the 1 sealed that.
McClain is definitely gone
He is a pro bowl RB that is not used what so ever. We will regret it big time when we only have Rice to take carries with Parmale as the back up.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I will be upset if McClain leaves
..and not just b/c I bought his jersey for this year. We had a great formula last year, we all thought Flacco would be unleashed w/in the context of that formula, complementing it, not throwing it out w/ the bathwater. I liked that while most teams have the bruiser for the first two downs and the scatback for third, we had two distinct backs that we could do the opposite with, now we have no identity.
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk - Tuco
by ravoriobulleterpitals on Nov 23, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Flacco's Development
Many Raven fans began the season with unrealistic expectations about Joe Flacco. He is a second year player and not an elite QB. There are at least one dozen QBs in the NFL who are better than Joe right now. He is still a work in progress. I hope that he realizes his potential and becomes a Manning, Brady or Favre. Last year he was third on the depth chart when injuries to Boller and Smith put him into the starting lineup. He did extremely well for a Rookie. In my view, the major reason that the Steelers beat us three times last year is that their offense was better than our offense. And the main reason for that was Big Ben was much better than Joe. This is a simplification because there are other factors involved including retrograde and unimaginative playcalling by Cam and a poor crew of WRs. Joe won’t realize his potential until there are some coaching changes and Ozzie manages to get some better WRs and perhaps a TE.
WOW....
Sounds like Flacco is the problem. That is a new way to look at things.
I firmly believe he is the biggest issue this season
Blame it all on the OC or DC or head coach you want. But if the players executed these dumb and boring plays, we still would have won at least three more of those losses. Flacco has thrown three Red Zone INT’s in close games this season (NE, Cincy, Indy). He tries to force balls in where players are nowhere near open and his mistakes alone cost us too many chances to come back and win.
Not all his fault but a much higher percentage than anyone else falls at his feet, or on his arm!
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by Bruce Raffel on Nov 24, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
What's Happened to Todd Heap
Todd Heap used to be an important part of the Raven offense and he was considered to be one of the greatest TEs ever. I realize that he has struggled with various injuries over the last few years, but he usually is not much of a factor any more. Is he washed up or doesn’t he fit in Cam’s offensive offense? LJ Smith was also very good for the Eagles. The Ravens signed him this year, but is he even playing? So many good teams in the NFL have a TE who really contributes to the offense as a pass catcher. Is Cam using Heap as a blocker rather than a receiver or is Heap unable to get open? A truly effective Heap could be the answer to Joe Flacco’s prayers. He needs more targets than Mason & Rice.
The Raven Way happened
Once players start to get hot, we like to not use them anymore. IE Washington, Clayton, Heap, McGahee. Lets just give it to Rice every play, because we are 2-5 since doing that.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Watch Heap run a pattern next week.
You will see a mere shell of the guy we used to love. He still has decent hands, but gets zero YAC because all he does is put his head down and get flipped over. He is so slow in running patterns that almost any LB can cover him. I say have him run 15 yards downfield, turn around and just stand there until the coverage moves away and Flacco hits him in the chest so he can sit down for the reception. Otherwise, I’d play LJ Smith almost exclusively. Too bad Davon Drew was such a bust, as he had the best opportunity ont ehentire team to come in as a rookie and contribute.
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by Bruce Raffel on Nov 24, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Hey there
Just came over to say that it was a good, hard-fought game yesterday. The Ravens made some great plays (thinking the turnovers here), and I still think Joe Cool is just that. Also came over to give my condolences on Washington… I hate to see injuries at all, and season-ending ones simply don’t help the NFL in general.
Good luck the rest of the way.
How can you not love a team that does this?
what about ed reed???
everyone wants to bash flacco what about the dumb decision to pitch the ball at the 40 yd line with 17 secs left when we still had a great chance to get into range
Totally agree.
When he did that, my jaw completely dropped. Any fool knows the obvious thing to do in that situation is get the hell out of bounds, as soon as possible. A Pro Bowler like Reed had to know better.
...
He’s trying to make a big play, something that the offense hadn’t done all day.
Reed has won us a lot more games than he’s lost for us. I’m not gonna get on his case for him trying to make a play.
I am
gonna get on his case, because I believe one reason the offense isn’t making big plays is because people don’t trust them to. If we want their confidence to improve, then we have to let them do their job.
For one thing, I doubt very seriously it was Flacco’s call to hand off the ball to McGahee on the 1. A handoff to McClain, or a dump-off to Rice or Mason would have been money in that situation. ANYTHING but the play that was called.
I will give Reed this: he probably would not have felt compelled to do that, if it weren’t for the offensive (pun intended) play calling. But even knowing that, I still feel the best thing he could have done was to step out of bounds. This would have at least allowed Flacco the opportunity to get them into field goal range. Remember, a field goal would have won the game!
If we don't,
the season’s definitely done. If we can’t beat them at home, then beating them in PA later on will be close to impossible. Not to mention, Polamalu is out and Roethlisberger is playing through a concussion. If we still lose this one, then we don’t deserve to be in the playoffs anyway.
The Ravens need to win anyway,
just so that we don’t have to hear any blabber-mouthed Steelers fans gloating about sweeping us TWO YEARS IN A ROW! That’s what will happen if they beat us!
Fabian Washington out for the season
Wall of Shame
-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27
Might be a blessing in disguise
while not meaning anything negative against Fabian or happy he is hurt, it just gives Webb the total look at what he can offer now. It does affect our depth though, but at least we’re past NE and Indy, but still have GB’s great receivers next. Looking forward to seeing Webb mark Holmes.
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by Bruce Raffel on Nov 24, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Who are you all going to put on Wallace?
Wall of Shame
-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27
by John Stephens on Nov 24, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Wallace was a great pick
but is the least of our worries…
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by Bruce Raffel on Nov 24, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ray Rice, Derrick Mason and Joe Flacco
Be honest fans, this is a .500 team at best. Until this team gets a wideout (See Kenny Britt and Hakeem Nicks) we can’t compete with the elite teams. I suggest that we start talking about the draft now.
Damn, I always screw this up.
Read about Ed Reed, gamblin’ man… http://bit.ly/uIT0i
Flacco needs to find a way to win
Yes sometimes Joe shows brilliance and promise but the QB is in charge of the offense and it is HIS responsibility to find a way to win. Look at the Vikings, they were good last year BUT with Favre now they have someone in charge. The man finds a way to win. Rothlisberger came in his first season and won. It always comes back to the QB and for us it is Flacco. Definitely like him, but he has got to make the plays. We can all say he is just a second year player and that is true but winners make it happen no matter what year they are playing in. So next year will it be “Well he’s still young…”? Joe this team’s success is in your hands step up and create your own magic. FIND the open man, run if you have to, make the play!
Flacco's problem appears to be
when we are in the Red Zone and a play is called, he’s already decided who he’s throwing the pas to regardless of coverage. He’s done that three time in the Red ZOne so far and all three times the receiver was nothing close to open but Joe threw it anyway w/o looking the WR off. Still learning, still learning….
PS- Can’t be all bad. In St. Louis, Marc Bulger is probably out for the season with a broken leg and Kyle Boller is their QB from now on. (bet the house on the Rams’ opponents!).
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 24, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yes,
I think Flacco has the potential to be a HOF QB. I also think that once his confidence is there, and he is done making rookie mistakes, he should be allowed to call his own plays. Combine that with more strength at the WR position, and our offense will become unstoppable and will give Manning and Company a run for their money. Won’t happen this year, though. LOL
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