The Beatdown Knows The Problems
A lot of frustrated people have been expressing their opinions on the poor play of the Baltimore Ravens this past weekend in losing to the Cincinnati Bengals 17-7. Looking lackluster and bland, the offense seemed to be in slow motion and the defense sat back on their heels once again. After looking like the old Ravens the week before, we seemed to regress and let a team that we were pretty sure was a pretender prove that perhaps we are the ones who are pretending this season.
The quotes from the fans seem to say it all. Here are some great thoughts and samples from some of the stories or FanPosts over the past two days that the Ravens would be pretty smart to take into consideration when re-assessing their personnel and future plans:
Playoffs
Playoffs? Dont talk about playoffs, are you kidding me? Playoffs?…I'm just hoping we can win a game….Jim Mora summed it up people.
by ShaneOmacDaddy on Nov 10, 2009 3:00 AM EST
I feel like we just gave up yesterday when we just started throwing the screen to Rice each and every play. We basically just gave up at that point and did not even care to look at the WR. We just wanted to get the hell out of Cinci and take our loss. I do not agree with that at all and it was a disgrace of a showing by Cam and the Offense.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 9, 2009 7:34 PM EST
I like what you’ve been writing. My thoughts as well. If you can’t stand toe to toe you better get creative. We did neither against just "decent" teams. If we simply dinked and dunked we’d have a better shot than Cams random deep balls when Mason rarely gets separation on deep balls. What was he thinking. Wasted downs.
by raven on Nov 9, 2009 9:25 PM EST
As Don Meredith would say...
Turn out the lights the party’s over – they say that all good things must end. That’s a wrap for the season folks. Who do you like in the draft next spring?
by Rayfan1 on Nov 8, 2009 4:37 PM EST
Penalties
What is up with all the pass interference calls? We are leading the league in getting called for interference. It is really starting to get ridiculous and it is killing us. I don’t know about you but I am tired of seeing our cornerbacks grabbing jerseys and getting burned in the process.
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Best regards,
Chris
by RavensBlogger on Nov 8, 2009 8:45 PM ES
PENALTIES, NOT REFS!!
Listen I could care less about talking about the refs.
it’s not the refs! it’s the penalties!!
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 9, 2009 11:36 AM EST
I was not a Kyle Boller fan but it just goes to show you that with no blocking any QB can look like Kyle Boller. There was one point where the Bengals had 12 first downs and we had 14 total plays from scrimmage! No one came to play. Is Gano still available? This is not our season. We can still hope to break even but don’t expect any post season for these guys. And even though the refs were not to blame for the game – there is clear bias. That would mean to me that you try even harder to not make penalties because you know they are watching us closely.
by Rayfan1 on Nov 9, 2009 9:28 AM EST
BENGALS ATOP
the AFC North, and deservedly so. Being a frustrated Ravens fan right now, you guys are making a strong statement. Personally speaking, I believe you’re the Top team in the Division right now, and possibly the entire AFC. With the Ravens hoping for, at best, a wild card, I sure as hell hope the Bengals take it to the Steelers this coming Sunday – you have the better team, now show it!
by ravens347 on Nov 9, 2009 9:52 AM EST
Oh, did the Ravens lose?
I turned off the debacle toward the end of the second quarter, never looked back and moved on to more meaningful things in my life. I just couldn’t watch the game any further. What a horrific game. I can’t express my disappointment enough. The Ravens were supposed to be a playoff-caliber team. They are not. I predicted a 9-7 record and they WILL NOT finish better than that. What more can be said? They were flat-footed all game, beaten off the ball on both sides, lethargic, way too deliberate and just didn’t show any sense of urgency! Geez, am I pissed!
by Smiley4660 on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 AM EST
Time to pack it in
C’mon guys…its over…it wasnt meant to be, this isnt the team to take us to the Super Bowl or even the playoffs. We will finish 8-8 with losses to the Colts, twice to Steelers and Green Bay…possibly even Bears to put us at 7-9. Hauschka needs to be released this week to send a message to the fans. Ray Rice even said yesterday "we came out and played slow", thats so nice to hear from the team I love and cheer for every Sunday, that they come out and play like a bunch of slouches and don’t really care. I am so fed up with this team and their attitude, it isn’t fair to the fans that pay their hard earned money in this economy to buy their jerseys and tickets to watch them play. I feel like I’ve been slapped in the face by this team and they should be ashamed of themselves.
by ShaneOmacDaddy on Nov 9, 2009 4:27 PM EST
this has been one of the most frustrating seasons
all around from getting our hopes up after each win, to failing just short, to not playing to our potential. I don’t understand it.
by ryantz on Nov 9, 2009 12:10 PM EST
The season, as far as playoffs and Superbowls, is probably over. We’re a distant third in our own division, and there’s several competitive wildcard teams in other divisions.
We still have to face Indy, Pittsburgh twice, Chicago at home, and Green Bay on the road.
We’ll also face Detroit, Cleveland, and Oakland.
7-9 to 10-6 is probably our range of records, and 10-6 probably won’t get us into the playoffs, so it’s better to sit back, relax and enjoy what we can, and hope for some of the young players to develop so that we can have a stronger season next year.
by math_geek on Nov 9, 2009 3:04 PM EST
Pitt won like Pitt wins…They let you stick around keeping the game under control and then explode on your tendencies. Their games always go to the 4th quarter. They just deep down know that they are closers. They are the furthest thing from what we are.
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Anyone catch the Steelers game last night?
It was awesome!
The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
-George Carlin
by Cdsumm on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Did we release Haushka yet?
If we do not let him go, I will start routing for a couple other teams i like, and come back to the Ravens (because I love them) when they wake up.
by Ravens Boner on Nov 10, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Character, character, character.
Hauschka is a high character guy, and you know Ozzie likes high character guys over highly talented guys. The man was gonna be a Dentist, how can you not keep him on the team. So what if he misses 50% of his field goals this year, the fact that Frank Walker can go to Hauschka when Walker’s braces need to be tightened, allows for Ozzie to keep Steve around.
Character over talent all day.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 10, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
which is why we got rid of C-Mac
all talent, no character…..
R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!
by Baltimore Warrior on Nov 10, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When we released C-Mac
he had neither. and still doesn’t, as evidenced by the simple fact he is still w/o a job, although his #1 fan, Anita Marks, is trying so hard to find him one.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hhmhmhmhmhm!
( This is now how you type a chuckle)
R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!
by Baltimore Warrior on Nov 11, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From the press conference
Head coach John Harbaugh said that he believed Steve Hauschka will eventually develop into a dependable NFL kicker.
But will that be with the Ravens?
"We think about everything all of the time," Harbaugh said in his Monday press conference. "We’re not ready to make any kind of announcement on that. We think Steve [Hauschka] is going to be a really good kicker in the NFL. I’m disappointed with that kick; I know Steve is, too.
"He can kick that ball a lot better, it was not a good swing, but we’re not ready to say we don’t think he’s going to be a good kicker in the NFL, yet." (Duffy)
http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/?p=1882
I wonder: Do kickers have to be developed like quarterbacks? At what point will we have to move on? The Raiders haven’t abandoned J. Russell’s arm. The 49ers are giving A. Smith even another try. We did it with Kyle until I wanted to shoot myself. If kickers have to take the same progressive steps as QB’s, then I might understand Harbaugh’s comments. We had Stover for so long, I forgot how young kickers work. I am ready for Haushka to leave. I hate him. But what if he is just going through the process any young player experiences, even though all he does is kick a ball straight, that’s it!
"I’m learning that it’s not so easy at times and you have to keep your head up and be confident," Hauschka said. "I’m confident in the way I’ve been kicking, so I just hope this is preparing me for another day when they’re going to need me even more." (Duffy)
Should we give that son of a bitch another chance?
by Ravens Boner on Nov 10, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, Hauschka said he is confident in the way he is kicking. We can all live peacefully now.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 10, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I see about Hauschka
He has a much stronger leg than we’ve seen. however, he appears so nervous he is reluctant to let it all hang out and really nail it, as evidenced by his FG’s (even the good ones) looking like they are floating through the air rather than flying.
That is a classic example of a guy trying too hard to push the ball rather than just kick it. His internal fortitude does not look to be there for the pressure of the NFL. I’ve said it a bunch of times and will stick w/ it: Graham Gano was and still is the better choice to be a solid pro, and is priving so in the UFl regardless of the type of league, pressure, etc. He was prepped for the NFL at FSU and did everything expected of him there but never got the true shot here as it was pretty obvious Hauschka was the man only because he nailed one long kick while Stover was still here.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coming back to haunt us
The two area’s that will haunt us for the rest of season, that we did not address in the draft corner back and WR will haunt us for the rest of the season. We can not win with guys who are finesse type corners, especially in our division. Week after week we get ate up by taller receivers who bully their way to the ball and over power us. IMO opinion Ozzie should address these two weaknesses in the draft.
~anthony
by PGCRavenFan on Nov 10, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
IMO opinion Ozzie should address these two weaknesses in the draft.
Our opinion means squat. With the way our season is starting to unfold, we could be looking at a chance to get Dez Bryant, WR from Okla. State. Then again, why would Ozzie want to give us weapons when he can just draft more Linebackers because they are the “Best Player Available”
And who wants to trade draft picks for for players these days? Giving up a 2nd, 4th, 5th or 6th round draft pick? Just ridiculous. Why would Ozzie want to do that when we can draft players like Paul Kruger (who has yet to see the field), Jason Phillips (one big injury), Davon Drew (Is he even in the NFL?) and Cedric Peerman (Couldn’t even stay on the Browns practice squad).
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 10, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kruger has seen the field
but for a few plays, although I expect him to get more time the rest of the season. Phillips was just a part of the numbers game, which means he had to be IR’d or released and we didn’t want to lose him. Davon Drew and Peerman may have been busts but if Oher, Webb and Kruger end up as starters, then it was a pretty good draft, with Ellerbe as well.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
although I expect him to get more time the rest of the season.
We have been saying that each week since the Patriots game. When is it actually going to start? Please don’t tell me when an injury occurs.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 10, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then I won't
but in the numbers game, even though he was basically drafted to rush the passer, I’m not too sure why he hasn’t been given the chance unless the coaching staff thinks our pass rush is set with the guys already active. I certainly hope not,
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I wanted us to go get
Anthony McFadden, the CB who ended up signing with the Cards. He played for the Steelers and knew thy enemy inside and out and was used to playig tough in the AFC North.
Oh by the way, McFadden signed w/ Arizona for two years $10 million, quite a bit less than Foxworth signed for here.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Week 10 and beyond
I’m probably in the minority here, but I’m not ready to concede the season just yet. Yes, I know the schedule that lies ahead for the Ravens and it is not an easy one at all. However, looking at the teams that are ahead of us right now in the final wild card spot (Pitt and Cinci will most likely fight for the division and #1 WC spot) I feel there is still a chance to catch them. HOU (5-4) has a bye this week, SD (5-3) hosts PHI, and NYJ (4-4) host the jags. HOU still gets IND and NE not to mention 2 of their last 3 on the road. NYJ still have games against IND, NE, and CIN. SD has a bit of an easier remainder, although they’ll still see DEN, DAL, and CIN. We would hold a tie break with them should we finish with the same record thanks to our week 2 victory. Looking at the remaining games it is safe to say that none of these 3 teams have it any easier than we do. While I realize the most important thing for us to do is just take care of business and let the pieces fall where they may, this info gives me just a little peace of mind.
by Dynamo38 on Nov 10, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In order to succeed
we’ll need to win at least two of four against Indy, Pitt (twice) and GB, plus sweep the rest of the schedule to JUST finish at 10-6 and hope Cincy folds like a hotel sheet. Other wise, they only have to play .500 ball to finish 10-6 and they’d knock us out by the tie-breaker. That means we have to actually win 2 of 3 against the Steelers (2x) and Colts. Doubtful, at least looking at things right now.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its still technically POSSIBLE to go 12-4.
You guys know that right?
R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!
by Baltimore Warrior on Nov 10, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry guys
i feel u pain i want get u thorghs did pitt run up the score on den i think they did they were 21-10 with a min 30 left and ben THREW the ball and hines jump into the endzone wtf u ran the ball to finush us off to me that is classey
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Nov 10, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can't agree j-man
Never stop playing hard on offense or defense. Telling your guys not to try to score is just not expected in the pro ranks.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
thanks bruce u are right but just to play devil adavote we only had 1 timeout okay i look at the gamebook on nfl.com and DEN callen a timeout too that why pitt did it anyway maybe u can bett pitt twice heip denver get a higher seed who knows if u want i will break down pitt my dad tapes every ones on their games i know pitt very well
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Nov 10, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
j-man
It is definitely not running up the score. Pitt was winning by only 11 points and that is quite easy to get sometimes in this league over a short period of time. We have seen 20 points scored in under 2 minutes multiple times already this season.
Since our last TD in the Ravens-Broncos game was a run, was that not running up the score? Because we were winning at that point by 16.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 10, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
not in that because it was a stragint draw play out of the gun u wore us down with man football if i get beat i want it pound like i guess i am old school i understand why they did it its just my whouile fam is pitt fans like in 05 our fam takes a lot of pics and my dad has a lot of peopie over his brother and in 05 no super bowl pic but a pic of my dad holding his finger in the air num one and the score 34-17 pitt over den i guess i am sill ticked over that
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Nov 10, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you can say that the Patriots were doing that
when they were beating the Titans in the snow by 50 points and still throwing. Tennessee coach Jeff Fischer wasn’t saying anything about it but you can be sure that if he has the chance to do the same thing to Belichick one day, he will lay it on him.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but bill b always does that i dont like it but that what he beailelius in doing
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Nov 10, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coaching Changes, Anyone?
I’ve been shocked at how poorly the Ravens have played after a very promising start. I guess I have plenty of company. Most of the comments by other fans have been focused on the inadequacies of individual players. It is true that many on the roster are not playing well. But is it entirely the fault of the players or do the coaches deserve a rather hefty helping of the blame? Good coaches design defensive or offensive schemes that play to the strengths of their players and cover up the inadequacies. I like John Harbaugh and would am not advocating replacing him. However, I have no, repeat no confidence in either the offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator. Their playcalling simply mystifies me. Cam Cameron was an absolute disaster as a head coach in Miami. He is an absolute disaster as an offensive coordinator in Baltimore. He doesn’t seem to understand the strengths and weaknesses of his players. He is calling the same plays that he designed in San Diego that emphasize the passing game rather than the run. We have mediocre WRs and three of the best running backs in the NFL. Cam doesn’t know how to utilize the personnel he has. The defensive schemes have been predictable and ineffective. I honestly think that the loss of Rex Ryan is more responsible for the poor defensive play than our much maligned cornerbacks. Anybody agree that the coaching performance has been worse than that of the players?
by snark38 on Nov 10, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I remember around week 3
we were all loving the calls that Cameron was making. He still makes some weird calls but also some good ones. I guess no one would be complaining if the team was actually executing the plan and we were winning. Easier to blame the coaches than the players though.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 10, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What we saw...
..in the first 6 games is the Ravens we’ll see for the rest of the year. I too turned it off, why waste the time? It was over after the first Bengals drive. The Denver game, as fun as it was just proved that the Broncos aren’t as good as everyone thought. The loss of Jim Leonard and more importantly Rex Ryan and Matt Stover are really being felt. Greg Mattison is just not up to the task. The team played another critical division game like they didn’t care. They were intimidated and acted as if they’d already lost from the first snap. We’ve got a long road ahead.
by RAVENS-FAN on Nov 10, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I do think...
..that the officiating is awful this year. No calls, made up calls, ridiculous calls, missed calls. I think that the Ravens "bad-boy" reputation is coming back to haunt. I don’t think we commit any more penalties than any other team. Call it “team profiling”. Think about it. The reason guys like Walker never get away with anything is that the officials are ALWAYS watching him. Any QB who sees Walker simply throws to the receiver he’s covering and it’s almost a guaranteed to bring a pass interference call which is as good as a reception-better even. The Officials can’t look everywhere; I think they just watch us closer which explains the high number of no calls against our opponents.
by RAVENS-FAN on Nov 10, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do you think this might have something to do with it?
Ray Lewis after fine;
“But the bottom line is, when I turn to go, I’m like a missile. When I’m locked in, I’m locked in. Whatever’s there is there. Worrying about fines and all that, I’ll let that take care of itself. The NFL does a great job with that. You call them and discuss it with them.”
Coach Harbaugh after Bengal game;
Q: Regarding the pass interference calls against you, is it just a case of not touching guys?
"I’d like to know. You look at every penalty on its own merits. There’s jostling one way and it’s gets called, there’s jostling the other way and it doesn’t get called. There’s nothing we can do about it. We just have to teach our guys to cover. I’m looking forward to seeing what the interpretation is and we’ll learn from it."
Ray refuses to follow the rules & Harbaugh admits he doesn’t understand the rules?? This is the Raven leadership! no wonder there is no focus on the team. A head coach saying “There’s nothing we can do about it.” is admitting he doesn’t understand what it takes to improve his team, there’s plenty he can do about if he only knew what that was!
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“There’s nothing we can do about it” refers to the opinions of the refs. Realistically, you can’t control what the refs think. But then he goes on to say “We just have to teach our guys to cover. I’m looking forward to seeing what the interpretation is and we’ll learn from it.” I think he’s got plenty of evidence in the film room—being that the Ravens lead the league in PI calls—so I’m confident they’ll figure out “what that was.”
by bigmac1124 on Nov 11, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not opinions, but RULES
Big Mac, You say "There’s nothing we can do about it" refers to the opinions of the refs." Well, opinions are for us homers here on forums. Officials make RULINGS, not offer OPINIONS. If your team is drawing more flags, it’s because the officials RULE an offense has occurred. It is a coaches responsibility to coach their team to play within the rules so they are not hit with penalties that hurt their chance of winning. When asked about the calls against the Ravens, what was Harbaughs reply? " I DON"T KNOW" well. it’s his job to know & to teach his team. When he does this the team will draw less penalties. Or they can keep playing, not caring about the rules as Ray is teaching them & remain the most penalized team in the NFL. You can’t control what the refs think, you can only control the play they see on the field.
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just responses from a press conference guys
Don’t take every word literally. Ray likes to pontificate and preach with big words an Harbaugh just wants to get the damn questioning over with.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
then what is your explanation?
I think this all has to do with an organization & fan base not understanding why this team leads the NFL in penalties. You can choose to ignore the words that come right out of the mouths of their HEAD COACH & INSPIRATIONAL LEADER, I don’t. What do you think is the reason for the amount of the never ending penalties?
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On pass interference
I think it is just a matter of our CB’s getting beat by the WR and doing whatever they can to not them them make that 50 yard catch for a td. So we grab an arm, grab some jersey, jump over their back. Our lack of talent in the secondary is causing the CBs to get desperate. Ray has been called for penalties this year that hurt us. The Secondary has been called for god knows how many. You honestly sound like Ray is the one getting each and every yellow flag out there.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 11, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With great power comes great responsibility- Stan Lee
He gets the credit when the D plays well. He’s the one who made the statements after getting fined. he’s the captain of the D & the leader of the team. They are following his lead. Ravens are getting flagged more than any other team in the NFL. Any opinion or lies in that statement? Also if you read my post, I’m saying Harbaugh is most responsible. Poor play must be corrected, that’s all I’m pointing out.
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Stan Lee write comic books!?
Animated, fake stories? Ray says it right to an extent. He and the other guys are trained to play balls-out physical play. They can’t stop on a dime just because the rules say you have to without playing at three quarters speed. The benfits outweigh the risks, in his opinion. The reason our DB’s get so many penalties? After trying to cover for 6-7 seconds the guys breaks free and the only way to prevent the TD is to grab. Perhaps the pass rush wil get better and they won’t fail as often. Notice how good they looked against Denver when the pass rush was there, much less against Cleveland thefirst time? Hmmm….coincidence? I think not!
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, now it's ON!!
trash talk me & my teams, I can live with that. But DOE NOT, as a favorite Raven of mine would say, disrespect Stan the Man Lee. Aw Man, now my feelings are hurt. fake stories, fake stories! (done in my best ‘play offs, play offs’ voice). Ouch!! You’re hitting me where it hurts now. Stan is one of my idols, up there with Johnny U!
I’ll send you a private message later to explain. I wouldn’t wanna give away my secret identity here ;-)
Bruce, I see your point about the penalties & I understand that reasoning. The question is does the cost outweigh the benefit? Can you imagine this team playing with that fire & not crossing over the line? WOW!!
it’s always fun Buddy, you are by far the fairest person on here. Good job!
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You ready for the Bengals?
Sure doesn’t seem like you are with all this Raven talk.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 11, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
obsessing on THE STEELERS again girlfriend?
can’t do any worse than the Ravens. ;-)
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How am I obsessing about the Steelers
When you are the one continually debating the actions of the Ravens as a Steelers fan. Sounds more like you are the one obsessed with our team.
Girlfriend?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 11, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just kidding
over the line, my apologies, sincerely
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BALTIMORE Ravens
my town, my team too!
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hate the Ravens
just because I find fault with some personnel & play, don’t think I hate the team. I don’t. I really want them to improve ;-)
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny U would be rolling in his grave if he saw this from you.
How can one transfer their love from the legend of Unitas over to big bennigans the overweight rapist?
Then again guess you don’t like the murdering Ray Lewis by most of your comments.
I just don’t understand you buddy.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 11, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then root them on only!!!
Man, how can you call yourself a baltimorian when you root for everything that is wrong in life (steelers)?. I could never do that, even though I only spent 8 years of my life wihout a team. Just come on over to the good side, I promise I won’t criticize you. :)
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 11, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you a twit?
Or just a troll? Somethign else? I’m curious about this split personality thing you got going on. You proclaim all this love for Baltimore, how the Ravens are “your team”, yet declare yourself a representative of “Steeler Nation” (hahhaa) in Baltimore.
by drj on Nov 11, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Behind The Steel Curtain paid him to come on here and keep us aggrivated.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 11, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pay attention children
when you’re a grown up you can get past childhood behavior. I can root for a team that I have been behind since before there was a Raven team. At the same time I can respect good competition, & shake hands before & after a game. It’s about RESPECT. The Steelers are the team I root for & I honestly respect the most because of the way the organization is run & the standard they set for their team. Right now I think they have a great group of guys I find it very easy to get behind. At the same time I love my hometown & wish the Ravens the best. I enjoy the football played between them. I enjoy watching good competition, win, lose or draw. Regardless of who wins. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don’t. It’s not war, it’s a game, it’s called sport. I’m just not into hating ;-)
& Mr MaLoR, I never once mentioned Ray’s criminal past, but since you brought it up, He’s the only player in this discussion who IS A CONVICTED CRIMINAL. Ben has been charged in a civil suit & never convicted or EVEN CHARGED with a crime. Ray drew a $250,000 penalty from the NFL for his CRIMES, the largest ever. He pleaded GUILTY to obstruction of justice. Only thing Ben is guilty of is OWNING THE RAVENS, Get over it ;-)
DRJ, we’re everywhere, it just sucks doesn’t it ;-)
sorry that the truth is so aggravating ;-), it’s just too easy when you’re dealing with clueless children .
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's take some deep breaths people
Yeah you can root for two teams, even if they’re fierce division rivals. But expect to get called out because loyalty cannot be split in most people’s opinions in this type of case. It would as tough in Pittsburgh as it is here in Baltimore to hear you root for both teams. To us, that just isn’t a true fan, but hey, to each their own. RESPECT, mon.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to each their own
Man, I wish I knew how to stick a little of Aretha here ;-)
We all enjoy sports our own way, to each his own Bruce. I’m glad you respect my right to offer my views here.
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am just very curious. You are a member of “Steeler Nation”(hahaha) but you spend a lot of time on a Ravens board spouting platitudes about the Ravens. And you do know how to spout the platitudes. It’s just pretty darn odd.
by drj on Nov 11, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Odd? me?
not odd, just happy!! & not full of hate
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, you're the lucky one
with the “best of both worlds” attitude, playing both sides so you don’t end up disappointed. Admirable, but I’d hate to be around when your are forced to take a stand on something important in life.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wanna discuss Obamacare?
key word there Bruce is important. No one will ever need to call me in from the ledge when my team loses a game. I think people look foolish when they take sports too seriously. Enjoy life Bro’, Important things are family, country, charity. Rooting for a football team doesn’t even make my list. This forum is fun for me, but not important. & I thought you understood that I’m not playing both sides. I have a unique perspective, I admit. But it’s sincere. Do you have a 2nd team you root for?
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
When we lost our Colts, I liked the Packers and Raiders but neither one had me as passionate as I’ve been for my Baltimore teams.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not offer OPINIONS
Relax man, there’s no need to abrasive here. I never said referees “offer” opinions, but to believe that the “rulings” from the referees don’t come from judgement calls and opinions would be a bit naive.
It is a coaches responsibility to coach their team to play within the rules so they are not hit with penalties that hurt their chance of winning.
I also found out something interesting today: Water is wet. Yes, it is wet.
it’s his job to know & to teach his team.
Then again, maybe the players aren’t executing.
Or they can keep playing, not caring about the rules as Ray is teaching them & remain the most penalized team in the NFL.
Then again, maybe the players aren’t executing.
You can’t control what the refs think, you can only control the play they see on the field.
Probably my whole underlying point to begin with.
by bigmac1124 on Nov 11, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Be like water my friend, like water" Bruce Lee
all those words & you didn’t say anything I could understand. R u a lawyer? or a politician ;-)
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have a regular coaches camp in Owings Mills. With so much at stake and so much money on the line you better be game ready when you take the NFL field. We seem to have coaches and players in practice mode.
This is not the time or place for Mattison to see if he’s a D-Coord.. This is not the place to find out why Cam was chased from Miami. This is not the place to train a kicker. Train a kicker? He doesn’t have to learn anything new. He’s been kicking since high school. He doesn’t have plays or reads to break down. What does Houshka need to get up to speed? Give me a break. He’s a classic choke artist. We dumped our Ring Of Honor kicker for a guy with training wheels. Sorry Matt.
The Ravens trumpet more corny mottos than they have decent players. “Play like a Raven”- NO! don’t do that. Penalty central. Play like Rays cheap shot on Ocho on a crucial drive. Not buying it. We talk the talk and stumble.
by raven on Nov 10, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
earn the swagger
well said
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfair to label Cameron
there have been a bunch of o-coordinators that were bad head coaches but good o-coordinators. Cam is one of them, along with Norv Turner. However, there’s no question our offensive schemes are better than they were under Billick, er Cavanaugh.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The offense (defense too) has seemed so conservative this year though. I can’t mark more than one or two gadget plays the first eight games this year. Last year it seemed like we were running at least two a game. The leashes were off. It was a complete work of art. Man, I hope Cameron’s got something up his sleeve. Maybe he’s saving the good chapters of the play book for the second half of the season. Who knows.
by bigmac1124 on Nov 11, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We better load up on talent quick with Ray, Ed, Gregg, Price, Mason and Birk winding their careers down. So far, we have nothing waiting at LB. Nothing waiting at DB. Nothing waiting at S. Nothing waiting at DE. Nothing waiting at Receiver. I like Clayton and don’t know enough about Kelly Washington because they don’t get him the ball enough. We may have 2 receivers. Possibly.
I don’t see any growth from Zibby or Nakamura. Landry is not the same guy after his injury. Suggs is regressing. Kruger doesn’t get any reps. and next year will be lost for him as well because he’ll just begin learning. Gooden flat out stinks and is living off a bogus Miami reputation. Who is this guy Edwards. Did he go to any practices?
We are not ready this year or next year.
by raven on Nov 10, 2009 8:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brandon spikes ( Yes the one who tried to gouge out a players eyes, but is still good), Dez Bryant, and Sam Shields
These are 3 names we need to have associated with the Ravens in order to become a revived and talented team. It’s times like these when I wish we would not have wasted, (yes that’s right I said wasted) a draft pick on Michael Oher and picked Hakeem nicks or Kenny Britt. I know everyone here is in love with Oher, but we just don’t need him as bad as we need(ed) a WR or CB. Any thoughts raven?
R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!
by Baltimore Warrior on Nov 10, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I thought that was the goal for last years’ draft. To get a WR, so when i found out that we went with Micheal Oher. i was surprised. We need a big play WR, Derrick Mason and Clayton are not going to cut it. We need a WR that could step up and become what Randy is to Brady and What Reggie is To Peyton. We need a player.
by Sly1stRoundDP on Nov 10, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Oher
and he has proven to be a steal. However, I thought we were moving up to grab MLB Rey Maualaga, who would have been the next great LB on the team and the next great “Rey” at linebacker.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would have been a mistake though
If we felt we wanted him, we would have traded up in the 2nd round, where he was drafted. Drafting him the first would have obviously been a mistake. But damn he would have been a steal in the 2nd.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 11, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with you B-Warrior. Look at Pitt. for example. They have a very average o-line with issues. BUT, Ben has targets everywhere in the pass offence. Pitt. is 6-2 without an Oher and we are 4-4 with. Seems like the receiver is the better choice. I like Oher but we needed DB and Receiver help more. Oher is a left tackle at this point. Left Tackle<Receiver/DB.
I love watching Pitt’s offence work. Ben doesn’t have a whole lot of time and gets sacked a fair amount. What he has are receivers who keep an eye out for the ball at all times during their routes. We have a tendency to run back to the QB and then make our moves. Pitt. likes to find the open space-more like basketball passing. When Ben gets sacked for an 8 yard loss, they can over-come it. Flacco took 3 sacks in a row. 3 IN A ROW. Maybe figure something out…come back to the ball? I’d like to see more of the short game that works fopr us. Forget the deep ball. Pitt. pretty much avoids the deep ball. We are a 10 yard team. That’s what got us to 11-5 last year. Until we get a deep threat we shouldn’t even go there. Not even to “stretch” the D.
by raven on Nov 11, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like it or not,
you have to rank Ben among the top five in the NFL. All he does is win and never seems to panic, and is without a doubt the best QB out of the pocket in the NFL.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Troll!
;-) with his next 2 wins he will become the winningest QB ever in his 1st 6 yrs. WOW!!
Where Have You Gone Johnny U?
by The Exiler on Nov 11, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just wondering, anybody know who I was talking about when I said Sam Shields?
R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!
by Baltimore Warrior on Nov 11, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Played for the Chiefs and then came to us for almost nothing, right?
by raven on Nov 13, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, A senior corner for Miami.
R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!
by Baltimore Warrior on Nov 15, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh!
The ravens are a good team. it’s just we have more competition in the AFC north. With the bengals new defense and there always good offense. We should’ve prepared for this. I live in New York. And i’m a Baltimore Ravens fans, i always vouch for my team. But it just seems like our season is over. With the colts, packers, and steelers (twice). I say our season is over. I thought with an offensive Line this would be our year. But i guessed wrong. I feel that they should at least try to do it for ray.
by Sly1stRoundDP on Nov 10, 2009 11:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Problem is, as I said before
it’s all about expectations. We know we’re a good team, just not good enough. We thought we were going to be a very good to excellent team, but that is obviously not the case. That’s the reason for so much frustrations being spewed here on The Beatdown.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With Ozzy's "Best player available"
..policy for the draft and our habit of taking everyone elses castoffs, there may or may not be a WR or DB for us next year. If the best player available is a RB, then we’ll get another RB. Everyone else will get the good free agents. We’ll hobble by with what we’ve got. Like I said before, we’re in for a long rebuilding road.
by RAVENS-FAN on Nov 11, 2009 6:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree
Between the draft and free agency there’s no reason why we can’t rebound like we did from that horrible 2007 year after a great 2006 season to where we were last year in 2008. Keep the faith, boys…..
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reciever
You know how the Ravens were associated with a great defense with no quarterback, well now we have no defense and a quarterback. But the next thing now is receiver…when have the Ravens ever had a big name, big play receiver?…Derrick Mason is as close as we have gotten to a big name big play guy. We need to go out in the draft and get a big name receiver…Nicks is already showing promise in New York even through injuries and such. This team will never be a Super Bowl contender until they get a big receiver cause Mason is at the end of the line. If we don’t get one through the draft hey Boldin and Marshall are going to be available next year…both are young and very very productive so Ozzie needs to make it happen of he can kiss success bye bye in my opinion.
by ShaneOmacDaddy on Nov 11, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie didn't think Nicks
was a 1st round talent and there wasn’t much when we got to the second and third rounds, although the Steelers certainly found a decent one in Mike Wallace in round 3.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie was wrong
Ozzie wont find a receiver next year either thats worth a damn, nor will he make a big trade for one, like I said Marshall or Boldin, Steve Smith from Panthers will probably be available as well, we shoulda got Dwayne Bowe before the trade deadline but of course we made no moves. Now that we have a quarterback, the next thing we will be associated with for the next ten years is the team that has a terrible secondary and no big play receiver.
by ShaneOmacDaddy on Nov 12, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So if we can trade or pick up a WR in FA
and draft a corner plus get another one in FA, then we should be okay, right? Nope. We still need a pure pass rusher, like a Julius Peppers. Even in an uncapped year, which I doubt will happen, that is still a big checklist to complete.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 12, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Every other year we do this....
Theres more wrong then meets the eye…the 1/2 of our team thats getting old ,is getting older faster then the younger guys are learning the game…watch #52 lost a step,being out of position,Cedric Benson blasted thur a gap for a TD,#52 watched him do it and he was in the gap,he’s been great for so long,but the end is nearer then he’d admit.Suggs needs to bring the heat,every play.If our CB’S were getting penalties for trying to make a play,then interference would be tolerable,but they are getting beat at the snap and try to hang on…Our offensive game plan last year was to run it down your throat,it’s easier to run block of young O-linemen then it is to pass block,it worked, the record speaks for itself,now we’re pass happy and our receivers aren’t feared by any team.So the conclusion is to keep getting younger and experienced,we won’t possiby be in the playoff picture this year,10-6 would be the best we can hope for…but then again you never know which year and team you might get,it changes every week…..
by thomlord on Nov 11, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The window is closing
and perhaps age caught up with a lot of guys just a bit earlier than expected, through injuries, slowing down, etc. The team is young on offense but needs a new center and wide receiver, much less a TE as well. Otherwise we should be fine there. Defensively, it looks like the age is rampant throughout, on the line, LB (Ray), lack of corners (again) and Ed looks like he may be hurting and plays older than he actually is.
A lot of football left for these guys to step up and show us how little we know.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Beatdown knows everything!
How dare you.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 11, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Window is closing”
damn thing slammed on my fingers with Cam pushing down on it for good measure.
by raven on Nov 11, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly I'm a bit disappointed
That almost everyone is giving up. Since when do people throw in the towel at 4-4? You think the 4-4 Jaguars or Jets are packing it in? Or even the 3-5 Dolphins and Bills? And that’s just from the AFC. Those teams all have problems too and I doubt they are giving up. I always hoped that fans really do make an impact for teams, because otherwise there isn’t much reason to be a fan, so as fans we need to stay positive. There is still plenty of season left for a 4-4 team.
If we lose to the Browns that might be a different story, but for now we all need to think positive.
by klunker18 on Nov 11, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's all about expectations
The Jags, Jets, ’fins and Bills never expected to reach the level that we were shooting for after last year. To be 4-4 for them may be satisfactory, but for us it is WAY below expectations, hence the frustrations you read here. We are true fans whose personalities and moods are drastically affected by what he Ravens do each week. Thus, we are an angry and pathetic bunch of whiners and immature babies and damn proud that we even have a team to root for, as bad as the times may be.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This season may be over guys
When you lose to the 4 out of 5 games, two of which were to the same team in the same division, all hope may be lose. Our window of opportunity for our D has shut close. Our offense looked as if it was ready to take over, but sundays game told other wise. Our team is so inconsistent. It seems like every year we have a winning season, the following year must be a losing one. This shit is so annoying.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on Nov 11, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s mentality of this franchise. Win just enough to beat on their chests and then tank when they need to prove something. I just hope Flacco and Rice don’t catch this fever.
I wouldn’t give up but there are some glaring issues. First, our LB play is weak. Weak in the run and weaker in the pass. Bart’s loss is strongly evident here. We are missing gaps every other play. Gooden is a liability. Ellerbeast and Jam-happy-meel need time. Edwards is a project. JJ is the man right now. Suggs seems to just be happy with his wealth. Ray is Ray- great even when he’s not. We are just missing huge gaps in the line. We are very hesitant to come up on big backs. I think Gooden can’t stop big backs.
The DB’s are there in spirit but are 1-AA. They bring fear to nobody. Not only do they hold like crazy they are weak hitters. Foxy, Webb, Carr, Washington and Walker are all nice backups or good for #3 receivers. How many INT’s do these guys have? They look like kids following their big brother receivers around the field. I know MaLor likes Webb. Come on man. He may stay with a receiver and tackle well but he is easily outsized for the ball. Outsized is where Pitt. has owned us. It will be ugly when Ward picks or blocks one of these guys. They might croke.
Safety’s are okay. What the great Reed brings Landry takes away-so far. The dynamic duo of Zibby and Nakamura have proved nothing. I can’t even remember the last time their names were called. They at least had a place on the team with Rex Ryan. The toughness of Leonhard and Scott is missing way more than I originally thought.
Flacco, Rice and Mason (and Reed) are still the heartbeat of the entire team. K-Wash is better than expected. Heap is average and boring. Clayton is good but needs more touches. You could probably slant a team to death with Clayton and Mason..but we don’t. Who is our backup TE. Does the guy get any reps or is he going to be a work in progress when Heap retires soon. Let’s wait until the last moment again Ozzie.
The O-line prides itself on establishing the run. We haven’t done that. I think the lack of run dominance or lack of attempting run dominance hurts the O-line. They need continuity like any othe position. I think that the Cincy game was not representative of this O-line. I still think they are pretty solid. Flacco needs to get rid of the ball quicker. Out of all teams, we should be the most prepared on the blitz. Rice, McGahee and McClaine along with 2 small and fast reecivers in Mason and Clayton should have every team affaid to blitz. We should be burning teams left and right with slants and screens….Oh wait, then Mason won’t get all his inopportune deep balls.
by raven on Nov 11, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, wouldn't a big corner make a huge difference now
Aqib Talib was available when we picked, Tracey Porter was there in the second round, I think. So was Brandon Flowers a year or so ago. All those guys, regardless of size would be starting here right now. However, I’d miss Oher and Flacco, although as good as Ray Rice is, there would have been other RB’s to run with this team.
Once we get a few more younger guys to be studs, this team will return to dominance, but it may never be with the “Ray” we all loved to see comin g out of the tunnel every week. It just means that the times they are a changing. Unfortunately, just a little faster than we expected or wanted. Be patient.
aka 'Rexx'
by Bruce Raffel on Nov 11, 2009 8:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis can't retire!!!!!!
I would have to change my profile pic. :-)
R.I.P. Tony Fein
May God watch over you wherever you are now and may you be in a better place. We will never forget you!
by Baltimore Warrior on Nov 11, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Defense is a mess
The main problem I have is that we are not giving our young guys snaps. Mike Wallace gets reps, Rey Mal. gets reps, Webb… no reps. If we already have ghosts for CB’s why not start the guy at nickel, what is worst possible thing that could happen?
Cornerback Age Free Agency Year
Domonique Foxworth 26 2013 – Ugh.
Fabian Washington 26 2010 – Thank God
Samari Rolle 33 2013 – Retire Please
Chris Carr 26 2011 – Please release him.
Frank Walker 28 2010 – Thank God
Lardarius Webb 23 2012 – The point I am trying to make is that with Walker and Washington expecting to go. WHY NOT give the man snaps. Wash and Walker are playing this bad in CONTRACT YEAR. Its unheard of…
Safety Age Free Agency Year
Ed Reed 30 2013
Dawan Landry 26 2010 – Thank God.
Tom Zbikowski 24 2011 (RFA)
Haruki Nakamura 23 2011 (RFA)
Again, let the man go and give other players the chance to prove what they can do.
by morbadluck on Nov 12, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice post… The fear factor of that entire list is 0.00.
by raven on Nov 13, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs













