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Ravens @ Patriots: Prediction & 'Open Thread'

Baltimore Ravens wide receiver Derrick Mason celebrates his touchdown with teammate Mark Clayton in the fourth quarter of an NFL football game against the Cleveland Browns in Baltimore, Sunday, Sept. 27, 2009. Baltimore won 34-3. (AP Photo/Gail Burton)

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about 1 month ago: Baltimore Ravens wide receiver Derrick Mason celebrates his touchdown with teammate Mark Clayton in the fourth quarter of an NFL football game against the Cleveland Browns in Baltimore, Sunday, Sept. 27, 2009. Baltimore won 34-3. (AP Photo/Gail Burton)

Keep it here all day long as the Baltimore Ravens fight for even more respect as they go into New England to face the Patriots in what should be a statement game for both teams. Use this story to post your thoughts and comments as the Ravens-Patriots game progresses to what we Baltimore Beatdown fans hope to be another victory to keep us on the unbeaten path and atop the AFC North standings at 4-0.

While the Ravens are picked to lose this game by the Las Vegas Oddsmakers and a loss will still leave them at least tied for first place int he AFC North, a win would let the entire league know that this team is poised at a run to the Super Bowl while a loss could easily be chalked up to just a tough game in enemy territory. On the other side, if the Patriots win, it will solidify their return to prominence and signify their franchise QB, Tom Brady, is back to 2007 form. However, a Patriots loss and many will say that New England is not up there with the contenders as they have now lost to both the New York Jets and Baltimore Ravens.

Which will it be today, as one of the above story lines has to play out one way or the other? While a majority of the local Baltimore and New England media are picking the Pats to defend their home turf, the national guys are pretty well split evenly on both. However, their opinions really don't matter to anyone here on Baltimore Beatdown, as only our opinions are the ones that truly count, and are usually dead on!

(Read more on "Ravens @ Patriots: Prediction & Open Thread" after the 'Jump')

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The Patriots are always playing the game off the field, refusing to let us know who is out and who is playing until the last minutes before gametime. On the field the Ravens will try to establish their running game against what might be a less than 100% front seven of New England. When the ball is in the air, the Ravens Joe Flacco does not seem to have a favorite receiver, although Derrick Mason is still his go-to guy. However, he has thrown to seven or eight receivers each game, so New England just can't double down on any one, which gives a huge advantage to Baltimore if they can give Flacco the time he needs to find the open guy. The Ravens offensive line has opened huge holes for their three RB's and protected Joe real well so far and the team is especially thrilled with the play of rookie RT Michael Oher.

Defensively, the Ravens need to keep the ball in front of them, bending but not breaking, which has been a successful philosophy so far for them. Keeping Randy Moss from making the big play and not letting TE Ben Watson exploit their matchups in the secondary will limit the long scores. If Wes Welker is on the field, he will create problems for our DBs in the open field with his slashing and crossing patterns. Look for our LB's to make him pay early for his transgressions across the middle. Pressure on Tom Brady is a must but if we constantly blitz him, he'll find a way to make us pay. We will need to find a way to make him hurry his throws while only rushing four guys on most plays and blitz when he leasts expect s it. Ray Lewis will be ready for the chess match and he usually makes the right moves.

I see the Patriots as a softer team than they have been in past years. The Jets beat them on the scoreboard and the field and the Ravens play that same style of physical, intimidating play. They will need to do that in addition to executing their gameplan and limit the turnovers while at the same time disrupting the timing of the Patriots offensive gameplan. If they can get Brady to throw off his back foot, get him out of his comfort zone and continue their trend of shutting down the running game, then their chances of winning increase dramatically.

The turnovers will probably decide this game as much as anything else does. Limiting the chances to score by making mistakes while creating those same opportunities have been the heart and soul of the Ravens success. However, this is not the Ravens offense of years past. They can now move the ball down the field in time consuming drives or throw it up for their wideouts to grab and run into the end zone, scenes not seen up until this year. Teams have not been able to stop our scoring pace, nor match it stride for stride. The Patriots have the offense to do it but supposedly so did the San Diego Chargers. The defense decides this game and while both offenses are solid, the Ravens have the edge in the run game and that combination should make the difference. The ability to ram the ball down the opponents' throat then throw over the top makes it tough to stack the box to stop the run and dare Flacco to throw. If teams do that, they will be burned early and often.

While the Ravens secondary was burned themselves in the Chargers game, that was a very unique set of receivers and while the Patriots receivers are very good, they just don't present the physical matchups man for man that the Chargers did. I fully expect Tom Brady to get his yards and stats, but it is in the Red Zone that I expect the Ravens to continue to defend and prevail on both sides of the ball. I just see our defense as the better squad and our offense can definitely compete with theirs. That combination of an offense that can put points on the board against anyone and a defense that will always keep us in the game gives me the confidence to think that if we can go into San Diego, where they'd won 20 of 24 homes games before we beat them, why can't we do the same in a place that has had the NFL's best home record since 2000?

I like the Ravens to play a tough, physical game for four quarters that the Patriots cannot match and Baltimore comes out of Gillette Stadium with new found respect from the naysayers both in the national media but perhaps even more so here at home and prevail to the disappointment of a lot of New England fans.

Ravens 24-20

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WHAT'S OUR NAME!!!!

RAVENS!!!!

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Oct 4, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

media split

All the Patriot writers pick the Patriots while only one Baltimore Sun writer picks the Ravens – How about getting Mark Viviano off the air when he is at the games.
No wonder the Sunpapers are not doing well – who wants to read a “home town” local writer that does not get with the program.
Obviously, we all want honesty and no bias in the news we read and watch – but this is sports and while a little controversy is healthy they could write they respect the Patriots but they don’t have to pick them.

by benana on Oct 4, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here is a question to burn time before the game...

Do you guys think there is a correlation between shitty uniforms and the success of a team? Now here me out… If you look at the Broncos, they never seemed to get over the Superbowl hump until they got rid of this god awful orange uniforms. For exhibit B, the Tampa Bay never did anything with those disgusting white and peach uniforms with the gay pirate on the side of their helmet. Obviously, there are many more factors than just uniforms but I am hard pressed to think of a team that had Superbowl success while wearing really ugly uniforms. Or maybe I have hit the booze too much already for this game….

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Oct 4, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HERE WE GO!

Lets do it today boys! Big time game, but we got the big time players. If you are not pumped up for this one, than check your god damn pulse. Everyone who has stuck with us from the start are the only people we got today. F*** anyone out there who is hopping on the wagon and trying to give us credit when they are one loss away from bombing us for being your brother’s Billick’s Ravens.

Rush Brady, rush Brady, RUSH BRADY! Moss and Welker might have the advantage, but we got good enough speed to keep up with them. Keep a body on the WR, stop the run, and make Brady throw it when he does not want to.

27-21 Ravens. Good day Beatdown.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 4, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Game time

from all the so called experts, i’ve seen kind of a split on who they think will win.

Patriots can’t run the ball anymore, welker is playing but how healthy is he? to bad i have to watch the game at work, i’d love to be having a beer while watching this beatdown….lets go RAVENS!!

by will04films on Oct 4, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep an eye oon NFL RedZone

It’s so cool to have the availability of every game just a click away during the stoppages of action of the Ravens game.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My wonderful wife just brought me

a sandwich and a beer and said “Tom Brady sucks!” Isn’t she grand?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chris Carr - buh bye

get rid of him, no more returning kicks. Admit he is a bust and be done w/ him.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK!!!

Joe Flacco's eyebrows have been charged with several penalties this season, most for acting as an "ineligible receiver downfield".

by ryuu on Oct 4, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

come on Ravens....

Bills fan rooting for you guys.

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks guy

expect you to win in Miami today. Got TO on my fantasy team, but he’s done nothing for me so far.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

done nothing for us in the real world either :-)

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 4, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tom was'nt looking too sharp on that "drive" :-)

Joe Flacco's eyebrows have been charged with several penalties this season, most for acting as an "ineligible receiver downfield".

by ryuu on Oct 4, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And so the D

once again saves the ass of Special Teams.

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Oct 4, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

New here and good stop defense!

Wow carr deciding to run that was a bad move. Good job defense. I have been reading this blog for awhile and decided to jump into the fray. My girlfriend and I have our baltimore purple on up here in York PA.

by Benhem612 on Oct 4, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What the heck wwas that Joe?

Tell me you didn’t see Wilfork?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whooo!

Popped the first down cherry!!!!

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Oct 4, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's getting good protection so far

and waits like a pro to find the open guy.

O-line opening holes!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good catch Mason!

1st down lets get our running game going.

by Benhem612 on Oct 4, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that penalty jump started the O

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 4, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A great opening drive

that is quieting the crowd. A TD will be a great shut the -- up!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great play!

and great call, Cam!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rookie mistake!

Should have knocked it to the ground and let it be incomplete!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now jsut run the ball

and then tie the game with the FG. NO Turnover!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

or not

lol

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 4, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW!!!

What a throw and what a catch!!!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

Great catch, very very hard landing.

by tvon on Oct 4, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great play mason!

What a catch but please be ok.

by Benhem612 on Oct 4, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Third and goal from the 20 yard line...

..and we score on New England!? Who ARE these guys!?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice catch.

Joe Flacco's eyebrows have been charged with several penalties this season, most for acting as an "ineligible receiver downfield".

by ryuu on Oct 4, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Derrick Mason

is a f-ing gamer! Still down. Hopefully he just got the wind out of him… still he landed flat on his back. Brutal landing. He is still holding the ball.

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Oct 4, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How many guys hold onto that ball?

Not many. That’s sick!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Derrick Mason is a BAMF!

Joe Flacco's eyebrows have been charged with several penalties this season, most for acting as an "ineligible receiver downfield".

by ryuu on Oct 4, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What's up fellas, Joe from Mile High Report here:

Please beat the Patriots down today. I live in Mass and would love for Pats fans to shut the hell up for at least a week. Thanks and good luck to you all!!!!

TAKE IT!!!

by Joe Medina on Oct 4, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We'll take care of it for ya'

take care of Dallas later!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know it mate!

I hate Dallas almost as bad as I hate the Patriots. ;)

TAKE IT!!!

by Joe Medina on Oct 4, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a great statement

on the longest drive yielded all year by NE!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, rookie Danell Ellerbwe is playing

wonder where Kruger is – again!?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is the new rule

“Protect Tom Brady” rule!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why is Dannell Ellerbe in there?

Where are McClain and others?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, haven't seen too many

bad tackles by Ray like that one.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Make them kick it!

I dare them to go. Stop them……and if they don’t make the 1st, then that’s a beatdown!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Their o-line

is pushing our d-line back. Ouch.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Titans down by 10

and ’skins are losing 7-0. Lions on top in Chicago as well.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cincy just popped ball loose

from Browns’ James Harrison and ran it 70+ yards for TD. Now 14-0 Bengals, Browns suck soo bad!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another TD drive against us

helped by a third down penalty courtesy of the refs!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't think the ball ever crossed the plane, but who's counting?

Hi folks! Baseball season refugee here. Looks like a gunslinging kind of day, huh? I hope we’ve got more bullets!

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Oct 4, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I just picked him up

inb one of my fantasy league (Beatdown’s).

Hear the fans going “HEAAAPPPP!”

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Carr is more concerned about

holding onto the ball tan getting a good runback. See how he’s constantly adjusting the ball during the runback because now he’s afraid of dropping it again.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HEAP!!!

Joe Flacco's eyebrows have been charged with several penalties this season, most for acting as an "ineligible receiver downfield".

by ryuu on Oct 4, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Flacco threw off his back leg

and if not that might have been a TD.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

T. Good is injured

but where is Jameel McClain? Kruger is an outside LB, so he’s not here.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where were you Ed?

That pass to Watson was what I had alluded to in my story today.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, a good call for a change!

I thought it might be another drive extending penalty!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gaither

Oher will move to the left side and Yanda will go into RT.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like a stinger

and they’re just being cautious. At least I hope that’s the case.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dang guys, hope he's ok

Blogger at SBNation's Patriots blog, Pats Pulpit

by MaPatsFan on Oct 4, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kerry Collins is only gonna take a team so far.

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 4, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soon come

Vince Young!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll take em less further

which is why he’s not in.

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 4, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's no penalty!

Great smart play by Flacco.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Man reminds me of Kevin Everett.....

hope Gaither’s okay.

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 4, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NE's getting a big push

from their o-line, which is not good. Moss w2as way open on a long throw that should have been picked!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Joe Flacco's eyebrows have been charged with several penalties this season, most for acting as an "ineligible receiver downfield".

by ryuu on Oct 4, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dawan Landry is a good run stopper

but he is clueless as a pass defender.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lets just bubble wrap the quaterbacks

Teams should start having players trip the attacking defenders so they nudge the qbs knee and draw penalties.

by Benhem612 on Oct 4, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He mad us miss like sissies!

Horrible tackling by Landry. Dawan’s having an awful game!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh please

eff the pats

"In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time." (Robert Collier)

by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 4, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It would be 7-3 if the refs wern'y pices od shit!

Joe Flacco's eyebrows have been charged with several penalties this season, most for acting as an "ineligible receiver downfield".

by ryuu on Oct 4, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry about the spelling

I need to stop drinking. :-)

Joe Flacco's eyebrows have been charged with several penalties this season, most for acting as an "ineligible receiver downfield".

by ryuu on Oct 4, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Pats game plan is well done

A lot of stunts and fakes and delays on both screen passes and runs. Pretty impressive.

Notice Webb now returning kicks?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A long time consuming drive

to end the half w/ a TD would be nice.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Flacco got hit in the face!

Why not the call?

That’s better!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ray Rice

huge play…. that kid is good.

by RightOffRussell on Oct 4, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kelly Washington is a little..... Inconsistent

If alcohol didn't exist the Irish would conquer the world.

by Baltimore Warrior on Oct 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nahh...

he’s been a breath of fresh air! Love his enthusiasm.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Washington definitely held on to that!

Refs better make the right call. Wonder what Tagliabue is telllng the guy under the hood this time?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great call

to slow down that blitz!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A left tackle for a saftey..... That seems fair.

If alcohol didn't exist the Irish would conquer the world.

by Baltimore Warrior on Oct 4, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Plenty of time

to run the ball as we want.Seven would be a huge end of the half.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Horrible, horrible call and throw!

WTF was that call after such a good one the previous play!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't get game today

……but by reading all of your posts, maybe it’s best I don’t watch.

Lonely Ravens fan in Cheese Head country (Watertown, WI)

by DorisF on Oct 4, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yyyyyyeah

If alcohol didn't exist the Irish would conquer the world.

by Baltimore Warrior on Oct 4, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What was the play?

Was Clayton supposed to stop or was Flacco supposed to go deeper?

I think his first foot was on the line.

Gaither apparent head injury. status not known although he’s going to hospital. All extremities moving though.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My guess 3-6 weeks.

If alcohol didn't exist the Irish would conquer the world.

by Baltimore Warrior on Oct 4, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nightmare ending of half.

Worst case scenerio happened. Now we go into the half on a downer, knowing we should be closer. Stupid TO, Harbs. Call it right after play or not at all, now that there’s only 30 seconds left.

Don’t lose it John!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Starting 2nd half 'Open Thread'

Closing this one now. Patience.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 4, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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