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Is the Glass Half Empty or Half Full?

Baltimore Ravens wide receiver Mark Clayton (89) celebrates his 32-yard touchdown reception from quarterback Joe Flacco in the fourth quarter of an  NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 18, 2009, in Minneapolis. The Vikings won 33-31. (AP Photo/Jim Mone)

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about 1 month ago: Baltimore Ravens wide receiver Mark Clayton (89) celebrates his 32-yard touchdown reception from quarterback Joe Flacco in the fourth quarter of an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 18, 2009, in Minneapolis. The Vikings won 33-31. (AP Photo/Jim Mone)

Back in the off season I posted a story, aptly titled, "Great Offense or Great Defense?" The first sentence was "Pick one because you can't have both." Wow, talk about predicting the future, eh?

The gist of the story was that in the NFL today, you can have one or the other because the salary cap will prevent any team from having both sides of the ball labeled as great. Good might be possible but great seems out of the question. Right about now, most Ravens fans would probably love to have one side of the ball as just "good," and we're not talking about the offensive side either!

(More on "Is the Glass Half Empty or Half Full?" after the 'Jump')

Star-divide

Amazing how one season changes things here in Baltimore from one end of the spectrum to the other. No one could have predicted this would happen but my May 30, 209 story comes pretty close in theory and by the looks of things, it looks like the overlords have chosen the offense, at least for now. I probably should have added as a warning, "be careful what you wish for," to the ending of the story.

I ended the story with the thought that if we were to have even a good offense in 2009, then a Super Bowl appearance was a definite possibility in early 2010. After three games of this season most of you probably agreed with that thought. Who could ever guess that the team's shortcomings after only six games would be the defense? Last year we sat at 3-3 after six games but it was the offense that was lagging behind the defense, even though there were defensive shortcomings that were resolved by the playmakers, mainly Ed Reed in the latter part of the season.

Will that happen this year, as once we regrouped last year, the defense still carried the team to the playoffs and the AFC Championship Game? If our defense can improved to be only "good," will that be "good enough?" With the offense playing in a way that although they might not be consistent from the opening kickoff to the final whistle, it still can put points on the board against anyone this season.

So, the question in the title is posed to all of you. What is it, half empty or half full, and why?

(NOTE: See the May 30, 2009 story, "Great Offense or Great Defense?" by clicking here)

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Based on what you've seen so far after six games, are the Ravens glasses half full or half empty?
Half Full
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Half Empty
151 votes

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Let's all pray.

I am still confident that we will still win some decent games but the play from our D has been putrid for the past few weeks. But when you have a 6ft + WR going up against our Cbs we will always wind up coming short (pun intended). Sure, the trade deadline is today but the team needs to address stopping jump balls from crushing our team and forcing us to play from behind.

Also here is to hoping that Hauschka gets it together.

I saw him at training camp and was not impressed especially seeing him missing colse range shots.

I mean come on, Sunday was the day to make a name for yourself and kill a legend and yes, he is young but that would have been the cornerstone of his career.

get it together team!! the rest of the season awaits and it’s NOT PRETTY!

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by Ultimate Ravens Fan 52 on Oct 20, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Like a good tequila...

It’s all good. Losing may suck but you can certainly learn alot from defeat. Let’s hope Coach gets our Ravens rolling in the right direction and that we have a few breaks go our way. There’s 10 games left and that means alot of football to play!

by Smiley4660 on Oct 20, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“like a good tequila”

AND Frank Walkers the dead worm on the bottom.

by raven on Oct 20, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We are at the same spot...

that we were at last year… I still believe that we have more talent on this team overall than we did last year. All I know is that I need a bye week….

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Oct 20, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Spinning wheels a little I’d say.

What is troubling is our stand still attitude to adjustments and needs. Do you think NE would NOT make a trade or find a CB and 2nd LB to shore things up a bit. No doubt they would. We have a bad habit of going with what we’ve got.

While that may keep you in good graces with your average players it does not help the team. Bilichick brought in Seau, Galloway and let go some of the founding fathers of his championship teams. He even benched AD this weekend. You see the team as a whole not as players.
You need to at least attempt educated bold moves to get better.

We have not suffered injuries to make our D situation dismal. We simply did not address the glaring problems. How can you justify that money to Foxworth who wasn’t even a full time starter. How can you place our division hopes on Washington and Walker when they showed nothing from June on. We knew that Rolle would be hurt and Landry was coming off a serious injury. We know that we lost Leonhard and that Nakamura and Zibby are nice backup guys.

Ozzie makes good deceisions but they are painfuly slow and we miss oppotunities because of it. We can look at his success in drafting but it’s not translating to wins. Changing on the fly and adjusting quickly (not every 3 games) will decide whether your a good team or great team.

If we come out with the same scheme and players against Denver we will again be stewing over a close loss. There is NO WAY Walker, Washington and Foxworth will shut down or contain any decent receiving corp in this league. NO WAY. If this is our group we may as well talk about the draft now.

by raven on Oct 20, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas

by D-Fensive on Oct 20, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sums up Ozzie perfectly
What is troubling is our stand still attitude to adjustments and needs. Do you think NE would NOT make a trade or find a CB and 2nd LB to shore things up a bit. No doubt they would. We have a bad habit of going with what we’ve got.

The man can draft most of the time, but has no balls when it comes to big time trades that this team NEEDS! Can’t wait to use those draft picks on OLB, Safeties, and Interior Lineman.

Limp and dangling.

by Joe Flaccid on Oct 20, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have faith

I’ve been reading alot of the comments saying that our D will not bounce back after the bye, I have full faith in how our organization is run: it’s ability to diagnose problems, make adjustments and do whats best for the team and the game. Yea we got beat in the final seconds on sun, but look at the in-game adjustments we made to not let he game get out of hand. if we can find a decent we’re golden.

heres what I’d like to see in the next weeks:

-Kelley washington continue his consistency and become the #2 receiver over mark Clayton (sorry buddy you’ve had 4+ years and you’re inconsistent at best)

- Rolle, rolle on out of b’more

-Ray put his foot down and proove we’re still a top Defensive team

-Ozzie tell Cam to cool it with the hog-wild play calling (without shutting down)

by stevef on Oct 20, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very Simple

All problems on the defense would be solved with just one relatively reasonable move. Trade for Julius Peppers. He is making a ton of money as their Franchise player but we would only be on the hook for about two thirds of it. He will cure our pass rush problem, which is the main culprit in th secondary’s inability to cover as well. Put him in there, and Suggs doesn’t get doubled, which improves his pass rush as well. No need to constantly blitz and the opposing QB’s will not have all day o wait for our DB’s to get lost in coverage.

Nothing else needs to be done beyond that. Ozzie will find a way to make it fit and be cap-friendly. Do it now and ride Peppers to the Super Bowl and we can then label our two bookend pass rushers ‘Salt (Suggs) n’ Pepa!’

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 20, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

love the idea

peppers would come play for us in a minute i bet, who/what do you think we’d have to trade?

by stevef on Oct 20, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you asleep?

Cause you must be dreaming. There is 22 minutes left in the deadline. Ozzie is using his time right now scouting players like Davon Drew, Cedric Peerman and Jason Phillips. Gotta find those gems right?

Limp and dangling.

by Joe Flaccid on Oct 20, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade

Any good corners that might be up for a trade?
I’ve been hearing rumors about dwayne bowe. Any truth to those?

by On3 Man Army on Oct 20, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade

I’m afraid that Carolina would not entertain the idea of trading Peppers to the Ravens unless the Ravens make Joe Flacco available. The Panthers desperately need a consistent QB. I’d like to see the Ravens acquire both Peppers and Steve Smith from Carolina. Who do we have that they would be interested in? Troy Smith and …our entire starting secondary?

by snark38 on Oct 20, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fixing this team after a dissappointing season will be easy with an uncapped year, a lot of money coming off the books, and decent draft position.

Fixing this team over the bye week is a much taller order. In my mind, it’s all on Greg Mattison. The man was handed the keys to a defense loaded with talent. Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Haloti Ngata, Terrell Suggs, Trevor Pryce, and the list goes on and on. We’ve been exposed time and again and a lot of that has to be put on the defensive coordinator. We need a scheme that protects our cornerbacks and gives the QB less time to throw the ball. We have much better personnel than the performance we’ve seen on the field. Maybe some personnel changes are needed, especially at perennial weak spot – corner. But we should be better than this overall. If our defense can’t improve over the bye, the buck moves on to Harbaugh, who will have some difficult decisions to make.

I’m not optimistic because we need a strong defense to win down the stretch.

by math_geek on Oct 20, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree. The direction of this team right now is scary. There is really no excuse for the defense. There are many teams out there with worse players in their secondary that are playing better than the Ravens. Furthermore, there are even more teams with worse talent in their front seven. I know. I know. The corners are average at best… but there are schemes that can cover up those weaknesses. That’s what the Ravens MUST focus on.

Cam Cameron did it with the offense last season. Sure, they didn’t have much talent, but Cameron developed an effective offense that was know for playing to the strength of its players. It is harder for a defense since they are being attacked instead of attacking, but the fundamental concept remains. They MUST find a scheme that plays to the strength of their players. Who cares if they run a 4-3, a 3-4, a 1-5-5, a hybrid… whatever! Play to the strength of the players! Get the best players on the field and design a scheme around what they do best. Maybe they should go back and look at what Ryan did last season. He seemed to understand the Ravens personnel. I’m not so sure that Mattison does.

by BAL_Hawk on Oct 20, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at the exact same time last season

Not only were we complaining about the boring offense, but the defense was getting burned and everyone was worried.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 20, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey at least you guys have a bye week to work this stuff out this year

I definitely concede that the ravens had a disadvantage last year due to the week 2 bye week. The bye week in the playoffs would have been even more beneficial to the baltimore, but the Steelers earned that.

So anyway, at least you guys have a bye week this year. Get nice a rested and then kick the crap out of Denver for us.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 20, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For us?

You sound like the Ravens season has come to an end and all we can hope for is 8-8. We will beat Denver for US, not you.

Limp and dangling.

by Joe Flaccid on Oct 20, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you misunderstood me.

I don’t want you to beat denver, I want the ravens to LOSE to denver, but I want the broncos roughed up first. The Ravens are the Steelers’ enforcers this year. They play the good teams first and beat ’em up (and lose) and then the Steelers come in and mop up the leftovers.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 21, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another reason why the NFL helps you guys out and screws us over. We get Detroit and Bears at home, with Vikings and Packers on the road, while you get Vikings and Packers at home and Bears and Detroit on the road (even though you did lose to the bears). But the NFL makes sure we suffer, and you flourish. Come on, you can’t tell me that they planned this schedule so we would give our all at Minn, rough them up a little the league allows for you to just clean up what we messed up at home. The conspiracy continues

Limp and dangling.

by Joe Flaccid on Oct 21, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're being a crybaby and I have no sympathy

Steelers played the hardest schedule in years last year and won it all. Steelers had to go to Denver in 2007 and our safety Clark lost his spleen because of the air pressure. He almost died. Now we have to go back there again for the second time in a row, and Clark probably won’t be able to play. But they’ll deal with it.

Also, coming from a fan of the team that cried to the league and got out of coming to Pittsburgh for opening night, I wouldn’t whine about scheduling conspiracies. You should have faith that your team will perform anywhere against anyone. At least you didn’t have to give up a home game against the patriots and play it in London like the Bucs have to this year. Now that’s getting screwed by the scheduling gods.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 21, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just part of the formula that has

us playing the second place teams and Pittsburgh playing the first place teams. We can’t help it if both Miami and Tennessee ended last year in first place in their divisions while NE and Indy finished in 2nd place. Ouch!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 21, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah we got lucky this year on that aspect of the schedule

those two games are the only ones that weren’t predetermined when they started the new schedule system in the early part of this decade. Other than the two games against the teams from the divisions you are not playing, everything else is set in stone rotations of divisions from the two conferences, and a team’s division rivals. The Steelers always seemed to draw the pats and Colts every year and it was getting old. Last year had unexpected outcomes in the AFC East and South so we are playing the Titans and the Dolphins. The Titans would have been tougher if they hadn’t stomped the towel, but that’s what you get for playing with fire. Dolphins will be a tough match-up, but better than playing the pats now that brady is getting back up to speed.

I guess it’s more useful to complain about the sequence and location of games than it is to complain about the opponents, since the only thing that affects the opponents is the relative position in your division each year.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 21, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A HUGE difference

if your Steelers had to go to NE and host Indy while we hosted the Titans and played Miami. We win both those games and you lose at NE and probably to Indy at Heniz, the way the Colts are playing. Totally different outcomes.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 22, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why you think we'd lose at NE

The Steelers are at least as good as the Broncos and Jets, in my opinion. We beat the piss out of them last year (yeah I know who was missing). Coming to Miami is great because I get to go see the Steelers!

You’re just sad because you get the Colts and they have the Ravens’ number.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 22, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh.....
You’re just sad because you get the Colts and they have the Ravens’ number.

Unfortunately, you are so right.

Limp and dangling.

by Joe Flaccid on Oct 22, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So right

but still think the Steelers aren’t good enough to beat the Pats in NE. Home field advantage is huge. Now let’s go Vikings!!!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 23, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clock Management Sucks

Situation 1:
1st down
12 seconds before halftime
Ball on Viing 10
1 play got off before field goal attempt

Joe, instead of throwing the ball away and trying for the end zone on the next down, threw to Rice in traffic and burned the clock- we lost an end zone attempt here.

Situation 2:
1st down
46 Seconds left in game
Ball on 41 of Vikings
1 play got off before field goal attempt

YES, I realize we actually had the fade to Clayton that went waaaayyyy out of bounds but that was a rushed no chance in hell dumb idiotic waste of a down. I do not consider that a “real” play. It was a hurry and we might catch them off guard WHEN there was no reason to as we moved the ball at will on them.

The next play was a run that ate up our precious clock and then we milled around and spiked it. Settling for a 44 kick with a rookie-ish kicker. To top it off we ran the ball on the left hash mark when most right footed kickers prefer the ball on the right hash so they can concentrate on swinging their leg through strongly instead of pushing the ball.

STUPID STUPID STUPID. Our coaches are not smart in these situations and it shows badly.

Also, Heap needs to find the open space (and he could have easily) but he stood still near a defender OR never looked back to Flacco during plays in the final minute. Heap can be terrible and not real bright for a vet.

Flacco had a very poor last minute. He had loads of time but fired a ball 10 feet over Mason and out of bounds for a HUGE waisted down. He then pointed looking for a flag on a possible hold on Mason. Even if it existed his pass was uncatchable. He had enough time to find another target. Easily.

The real killer was the wasted pass to Clayton that went out of bounds. The following run to Rice for 4 yards would have been better spent on 2 sideline passes. Which we would have had time for IF we didn’t run. 46 seconds 1 actual play. 1.

Just dumb Qb play and coaching to round out the sorry miss by Housh. We took the foot off the gas and settled for a FG. Just like our D on final drives- foot off the gas. Play not to lose. Chickens.

At this point my glass is 1/2 empty with the coaches. Harbaugh needs to run the game and clock. So far we stink at that. I am getting less and less confident in Harbaugh. I think he’s a good coach but his situational thinking leaves a ton to be desired.

by raven on Oct 21, 2009 2:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My problem with that sequence is that

on the out of bounds throw on first down, Flacco had ten yards of open space in front of him and could have ran the ball for a much closer FG attempt. Then they wouldn’t have had to even run it again, just let the clock run down and spike the ball to kick the gamewinner on 3rd down. Had Flacco ran, my guess was that would have been close enough for Hauschka to have made it before it kicked wide.

Just an observation that goes into the “what if” file along with all the others.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 21, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

That throw to Rice for a one yard gain in lieu of a shot at the end zone at the end of the first half as well as his missed opportunity to run in that situation you described were the two boneheaded plays of otherwise well executed two-minute drills…

Still, against a good New England team and a (now) 6-0 Minnesota team our young quarterback put his team in a position to win the football game when the pressure was at its highest. Bazooka Joe Flacco and his cannon arm are going to be amazing to watch for a long time.

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by The Baltimorons on Oct 21, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

while you can’t blame the Vikings loss on Joe, he did throw two costly Red Zone interceptions that took points off the board in both the NE and Cincy games.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 21, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah..i was just venting again. we move the ball well between the 30’s and then change it up. out of all teams, our short sidline routes should be open with mason and errrr Clayton. i was hoping to see some quick outs at the end of both halfs.

you have to soilidify FG position before worrying about the TD. concentrate on getting Housh to the 30 and then go for the end zone or whatever. just a lot of waisted clock and plays.

by raven on Oct 21, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Definitely 3/4 full

Outside perspective here. You are used to your defense being elite. Closest team I ever cheered like that was the ‘85 Bears, past that I never had the luxery of an elite defense. Now your defense is just good. They are a solid, don’t give up the big play defense. Every good defense gets burned once in awhile. You’re a couple pieces shy of great. A tall cover corner is one, a bookend for Suggs is the other.

Your offense is picking up with Joe Flacco. He’s still young, so he needs more O-coordinator help. I don’t think the coordinator has really adapted to the new capabilities of the offense. That’s a work in progress. If the defense is struggling, the offense has to pick up the slack and vice versa.

The game against the Pats could have gone either way. The Bengals have obviously improved, but that was a one score game as well. The Vikings game was one shagged punt from a win. Disappointing? Yes, but not the whooping the Titans just had. The preseason is all about hope, and now you’re feeling a little letoff. There’s a whole lot of football left to play and playoffs are usually decided in December.

Anyway, that’s how I see it.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 21, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

slutmachineplaya’ is back…

nice thoughts and thanks. we are totally down after the last 3 games. we are eating our young. i did see a lot of good in the Vikes game but who has time for those observations.

by raven on Oct 21, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not here to be your damn cheerleader,

just give you a little dose of reality and pull you out of the self-pity you seem to be wallowing in. I’m glad the Ravens game is in the rear view mirror. I don’t fancy playing you again.

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The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 21, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gimme an O

by raven on Oct 22, 2009 12:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Get your own stinking O. Who am I? The Maid?

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The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gimme an O

by raven on Oct 24, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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