Tonight on ESPN...

Should be good.

Hopefully all the ignorant pricks who are fans around this league like the Browns and those guys will see that they did not have it nearly as bad as we did. Irsay is the equivalence to Hitler.

I can’t wait for the LeBron one on Friday to.

Limp and dangling.

by Joe Flaccid on Oct 13, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Goodpoint

Curious what the Browns and Colts fans will say when they see this!?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 13, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

heard some hilarious stuff about LeBron

I live in DC and I’ve heard from someone who works on the Obama staff about his meeting with LeBron. It wasn’t publicized—LeBron was just in town and asked to meet Obama, who accepted. Funny part is, a meeting with the German Chancellor got pushed back an hour to meet with ‘Bron-’Bron, who showed up no sooner than 35 minutes late. El Presidente was not too happy about it, and the ensuing convo didn’t cheer him up much. Apparently, Barack was steamed that the only thing LeBron had to ask him about were general “how awesome is your life” questions. LeBron was quoted as saying “So, do you ever get to drive your own car?”
Obama responded, “Only when I’m at Camp David.”
LeBron said, “I bet it’s pimp.”

I don’t know any further details, but the gist of the story I heard was that Obama thinks LeBron is sort of a dumbass, aside from being rude and late, and that he pushed back a meeting with an actual person (politically speaking) in order to meet with him. I got a kick out of it.

"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down

by jackmca on Oct 14, 2009 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LeBron Sucks (Not as a player of course)

From this story to him stiffing waiters for tips, to cover ups when he gets dunked on by a high school guy, to not shaking hands after losing in the playoffs…. He is a media darling so he will be protected, but I can’t stand him. Total phony.

by DT711 on Oct 14, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Watching it, looks interesting.

"We don’t have any rearview mirrors in our car,"- John Harbaugh

by purpleonblack86 on Oct 13, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Band nerds go prime time. Yikes. I don’t miss sitting behind them at Memorial. I do miss putting peanuts in the tubas and watching the mini band sex scandals unfold between the members.

Seriously, it looks like a heartfelt tribute. I look forward to it.

by raven on Oct 13, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Flute

raven did you not used to play the skin flute inthe band? i still remember when you hit that dude in the head with peanut and he thought the guy in the band did it, where did the good times go. I look forward to this it sounds interesting.

by section117 on Oct 13, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

“where did the good times go”

you’d know it you could stomach a game under 80 degrees. i will personally get you tickets to the green bay-ravens game in december and fly you to GB just to watch you freeze you featherless turkey.

by raven on Oct 13, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

My only question is

Are the film makers ever allowed to actually say Baltimore and Colts in the same breath? I’d think there’s probably a standing Tagliabue order against that. And yes, I am old enough to remember the Unitas Colts, so I well remember the “dark ages”…

"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas

by D-Fensive on Oct 13, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i wonder if Mayflower lost business after that… must have been out of state drivers in those vans. a baltimore driver would have taken police on a chase through the woodlawn park and ride before jumping out and letting the van hit a retaining wall. thats how the colts should have gone out- baltimore style.

by raven on Oct 13, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It was a very different time

and much sadder than you can imagine. And yes, Mayflower had something like a 50% decrease in business in the area for years afterward.

"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas

by D-Fensive on Oct 13, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This Should Be Good

I like these documentaries that ESPN is doing now. This one should be especially cool now that its about our Marching Band. Im looking forward to it.

by CameronI on Oct 13, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

it was terrific. 2 thumbs up. i will take two words away from this emotional film:

Harry Wacker

by raven on Oct 13, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Irsay’s drunk news conference is classic. It reminded me of MaLor’s Speech Arts 101 class presentation.

by raven on Oct 14, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

1 more thing…

Anyone notice how the band seems to carve out our future. Pretty spooky. I think it is an entity all its own with magic powers. look at what they’ve down-

1. Attended the Greatest Game
2. Stole the game ball from that game and brought the winning magic back to B-more in a drum.
3. Stole the hearts of the town.
4. While we lost the team they stole the uniforms and stored them in a graveyard. A GRAVEYARD- preminition for THE RAVEN.
5. The could only find one place to play when witthout there own team- Cleveland under Art !
6. We get a team- Cleveland! Pretty spooky.
7. They soothe the tranformation from Colt to Raven.
8. They get new uniforms paid for by the Ravens and are playing at the SB the same year.
9. The BAND knows all.

by raven on Oct 14, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I've sent emails to both the Indy and Clevelnad bloggers

asking for their thoughts on the documentary. The Colts blogger said that he wasn’t sure if we wanted to hear what they would say, such as the name of the story should have been "The Band That Wouldn’t Let It Die.’ I replied that I wanted to hear their negative comments from their point of view, even though it would be considered baseless by our fans.

We’ll see if anyone from those cities stop by. However, if they do, be civil while expressing your fair emotions of letting them know they still have no idea what we went through or truly felt (even Cleveland).

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 14, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That was a great documentary

It truly showed the devil that Irsay was. Lied to the team, the city, and the fans. I liked how all he talked about in his drunk press conference was how he refused to admit the whole time that he went to Arizona, but never once brought up his fascination with Indianapolis. Funny however that other people knew that he was in Phoenix a few days earlier and a press release came out days after his drunken tirade that Phoenix turned down his offer. Lol, what a weasel.

The team was stolen from Baltimore. Never given a chance to fight for it. Irsay was just so upset with the press, but he brought it upon himself to publicly state that this was HIS team only because he bought it. He truly tried to make Baltimore feel like this was not their team just because they did not own it, yet so much of their tax dollars went to the team.

I hope Indianapolis and Cleveland fans watched this last night, as well as all the other fans. No one really takes into consideration the type of love for football that exists in our city today and the history that we bring to this league. I hope Indy fans sat there and realized just how freaking lucky they were to have that rat owner of theirs sneak a team in their back door like a prisoner does to the newfish. Some shawshank redemption type stuff with the sisters and poor Andy Dufrane.

And I hope those ungrateful Cleveland fans realize that Art Model gave them every chance in the world to help their team out but rather built Jacobs Field instead. Hey Browns fans, at least when the team moved to Baltimore, we did not keep the same name as Indy in an attempt by Irsay to steal our tradition and true identity. Then again, who the hell would want be named the Browns and have different color helmets? At least you did not go 13 years without a football team. You went 3 years, big woop.

Great movie and I have a strong feeling that many Colts and Browns fans will ignore their opportunity to share their opinions with Baltimore fans, because they know that we were right and they were wrong. They know the team was stolen from us and now know what this city went through.

Limp and dangling.

by Joe Flaccid on Oct 14, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the comments

and watching the show. Nothing against Indy, as they just accepted and embraced what was given to them. The problem I do have with them is teling us to “let it go” as that is between us, the city of Baltimore and the Irsays. Stay out of it, Indy. As far as Cleveland, they are just clueless morons to love the guy for many years, support his team and then when he has to do what he did, to launch an unforgiveable campaign to block his deserved entry to the HOF is just plain wrong. Thanks again.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 14, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't blame Indy or its fans...

just like it’s not fair for Cleveland fans to blame us… They wanted a football team and a football team came to town. They rooted for them. It makes sense.

Whenever a Browns fan tells you that you root for the Baltimore Browns, just ask them, in all honesty, “if after your team got taken from you, and all you wanted more than anything was to have Cleveland football to root for again, and the only way to do that was to accept a relocating team from another city, wouldn’t you do it?” If they say no, they’re lying. It’s as simple as that. Even I tried to reject the Ravens at first since they were really a cleveland team, but I warmed up in 1999 (largely because Cleveland got their Browns expansion team).

I mean, we really had no choice but to take Art’s Browns. Tagliabue hated us as a city. We couldn’t get an expansion team. Trust me, we would have taken it. But we took what we could get. It’s like an adopted child. If parents can’t or shouldn’t (for some reason) have kids, they can still adopt one, and love it as their own.

"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down

by jackmca on Oct 15, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Funny how all you Raven fans just blame Irsay yes he was a A-HOLE BUT so was your city leaders at the time:

The Colts were unhappy with the condition of the stadium they played in and Indianapolis offered them a new indoor dome.
Robert Irsay, the Colts owner, had many problems with Baltimore and the stadium, Memorial stadium.

Far from the downtown area and any major highway, traffic to and from Colt games was very heavy and tied up traffic and trapped locals in their homes. It was also hard to find being about seven miles from the downtown area on 33rd street. Many fans got lost getting to or coming from the stadium.

The stadium was a very poor football stadium and the seating bowl ended at the fifty yard line, the end zone near 36th street was open taking away money making seats. It also had no club level. It was far behind its time.

The city of Baltimore would not allow the Colts to play at the NFL’s usual start time at one. Instead, they started at two which by law. Sports events were not allow to start before two on Sundays. Because of this the Colts had a hard time being on national T.V.

The Orioles, the city’s baseball team, also used the stadium and had control over food sales, and parking fees even during football season despite the fact that both teams payed a rent fee.

The team was playing poorly and attendance went to about 20,000 in a stadium that could hold 60,000.

The city wanted to upgrade the stadium but both teams had different demands and the city could not make both happy so it did not upgrade the stadium.

In the spring of 1984 the Colts lease on the stadium was up and Irsay wanted a new stadium or to move. Instead of working out plans with Irsay, Maryland’s senate passed a law that allowed the state to take the team from him by the powers of eminent domain. All that was needed was the law to pass by the House of Delegates. That was enough for Irsay to decide what to do. He moved his team Indianapolis and its Hoosier Dome. Baltimore did however learn from its mistakes. When the Orioles said they had a lot of the same problems with the stadium (location and condition for example,) and threatened to move to Washington D.C., Baltimore built Oriole Park at Camden Yards . Just six years later they would build M&T Bank Stadium for a new NFL team, the Ravens.

thanks to wilcut for this info.

by Ufanforreal on Oct 15, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Behind the times!?

In 1983? That stadium as old as it was, was not a lot different from so many other stadiums of that time. It was 1983, not 2003!? Baltimore had zero problem filling that stadium before Irsay dismantled the team for his personal financial gain and the city was willing to work with Irsay had he not lied and negotiated in goo dfaith, but he did not.

Guess your “wilcut” didn’t tell you that, huh?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 15, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what is this dude's problem?

we’re not blaming Colts fans for rooting for the Colts. We’re not blaming the city of Indianapolis for accepting a relocating team. So why do you care if we blame Irsay?

You don’t have to tell us what Memorial Stadium was like. I was there for some old school O’s games since I was like 3 years old. That place was rough. It was an old-school stadium in a blue-collar neighborhood.

But you’re crazy if you think the neighborhood didn’t dig it. And you’re crazy if you think their situation was that much worse than so many other teams in the league at that time. Baltimore COULDNT build a new stadium in the 80s, do you know what the city looked like then??? In the 21st century, Baltimore had enjoyed a diversification of its downtown economy and an increase in tourist activity during the 90s, boosting tax revenues. In the 80s, I hate to think of what running this city must have been like. High unemployment, absurd crime (even more so than today), the city wasn’t even CLOSE to recovering from the loss of the steel jobs… I could go on and on…

Only an outsider could look at it the way you do. And to reiterate, nobody blames you for rooting for the Indianapolis Colts. Nobody blames your city for taking them in. But Irsay? No, don’t be an apologist for him.

"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down

by jackmca on Oct 15, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then stop blaming Jim Irsay for what was clearly his fathers decision.

And if there is no animosity against the Colts organization or the people of Indiana as you state then at the upcoming came it’s the INDIANAPOLIS COLTS not as you had it on the Billboard last game as just INDIANAPOLIS, yep that sure shows there’s nothing against the Indy fans or the now Colts organization.

by Ufanforreal on Oct 15, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

now you just sound petty

who cares if we call you Indy or the Colts? we call you by both or either, just like people call the Steelers “the Steelers” or “pitt,” or “the Bengals” or “Cincy.”

are you really that upset that we just called you Indianapolis? OK, fine, “Indianapolis Colts.” there’s a lot of syllables there, I’ll probably just go back to saying “Indy” or “the Colts.”

"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down

by jackmca on Oct 15, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Colts will do fine on your Billboard at the next game.

by Ufanforreal on Oct 15, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fine by me. I just care if we win, that’s all.

"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down

by jackmca on Oct 15, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I also found myself wanting to jump through the TV at the sight of Taglibue. They asked him if Baltimore should get a team, and he just simply said “No.” Jacksonville? Are you kidding me? Look at Jacksonville today, they have the WORST market for football at the moment. We are one of the most successful organizations ever, and we have been in Baltimore for 14 years. Just shows what kind of city we have here. Which is why I love it.

Limp and dangling.

by Joe Flaccid on Oct 14, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Taglibue was the real bad guy to me

he clearly just had some sort of anti-baltimore bias for some reason. Maybe he got his ass kicked at a Fells Point bar one night, who knows…

"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down

by jackmca on Oct 15, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even back in the day

Most of the drag bars were in Mt. Vernon, so probably not Fells Point…

"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas

by D-Fensive on Oct 15, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

HA!

damn that was funny.

"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down

by jackmca on Oct 15, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Steeler Fan Perspective

Needless to say, being a Steeler fan I pretty much hate the Ravens and what they are all about. With that being said, the documentary was very well done and provided some terrific insight as to how that whole deal went down. Do you guys hate the Colts more or the Steelers? I would have to say the Colts / Irsay, what a TOOL. Glad you guys got a team back in Baltimore, it is a football city and who would have thought a band could have so much influence on bringing a team back to B-More.

I have the Sunday Ticket and I always DVR the Ravens games and I have to admit, they have looked average at best against decent teams and of course they beat the Chiefs and the Browns, they are the Chiefs and the Browns. I think Cincinnati is the worst 4-1 team in the league and they will come back to earth if you will. Pretty sure it will be Pittsburgh vs. Baltimore for the AFC North when push comes to shove if we can learn how to finish games.

How about Stover going to the Colts! Should be an interesting week 11 when the Colts come to town. Good luck vs. the Vikes, should be a good one.

by WARDANE33 on Oct 14, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Colts or Steelers

As an older fan who was a boy for the last of Unitas’ Colts and a teenager/young man for Bert Jones’ Colts and a man without a country for most of the 80s and 90s, I have to say I hate the Colts much more than the Steelers.

When we had no football, I would watch Steelers games and root for them. The B-more Colts had no rivalry that I can remember with the Steelers, so no reason to hate them. As I recall, our primary rivals were the Rams, the Dolphins and the Jets. At least those are the teams I can remember my father screaming at most LOL.

The truly sad thing is, no matter how much I try not to, if I’m watching a Colts game, at some point, at least once in the game, I will realize that I’m internally willing the RB to get the 1st or the receiver to catch the pass because rooting for the guys in the blue and white was ingrained in me from birth. Then, of course, I come to my senses and hope for Manning to have his spine crushed on the next play, as I should ;-)

"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas

by D-Fensive on Oct 14, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's good stuff

thanks for the response

by WARDANE33 on Oct 14, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah thanks for that

I’m 22, so I can recall REALLY old O’s games at memorial stadium, but that’s about as far back as I can reach… And I’d say I really hate the steelers, I don’t care one way or the other for the Colts… But I can understand why you hate them. I certainly can…

"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down

by jackmca on Oct 15, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, we are 3-2 by beating teams like the Chiefs and Browns with losses to playoff contenders NE and Cinci while your Steelers are 3-2 as well with wins against the 0-5 Titans, 1-4 Lions and San Diego, just like us. And I feel your two losses to the Bears and Bengals are far worse than our two losses to the Patriots and Bengals.

Still early though, gotta see how everything plays out.

Limp and dangling.

by Joe Flaccid on Oct 14, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

all losses suck no matter who they're against

i think the Bengals are better than the last couple of years (still finish third in AFC north) but the Patriots are not even close to the same team they were 2-3 years ago, just look at their defensive starters lost and Brady’s injury. Moss is not the same either and they have ZERO running attack. Losing Matt Light will not help their o-line either.

we both lost to Cincinnati with one BIG difference, you got beat on your home turf.

we should have (doesn’t matter) beat the Bears and you should have beat the Pats but unfortunately that’s not how it panned out. we are one or two plays away from 5-0 and you could make the argument we are 1-2 plays from being 1-4.

by WARDANE33 on Oct 14, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thing is, we just match up really badly against them. Our CBs suck, their WRs are sick, their QB is back, so they run 3 and 4 WR sets to keep our LBs on the sidelines. It’s just a bad matchup situation for us. I think we can—and need to—beat them in the rematch. The season isn’t lost, but we’re a few days away from being .500 unless we can make some miraculous turnaround before going into Minny.

"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down

by jackmca on Oct 15, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

(still finish third in AFC north)

We’ll see about that. That said, you probably will take us at the ketchup bottle.

The same argument can be made about the Bengals, only we’re one play from 5-0 and about 4 plays from 0-5.

And we’re 4-1 despite the fact that our former long snapper left 11 points on the field in the first five games. But fact is, Limas Sweed actually doesn’t do a Braylon Edwards impersonation and hold on to the ball, and we could be down and out at 2-3. It’s still the rule of Any Given Sunday. If we do pull off the sweep, I’ll probably try to be civil.about it, but I’m not sure about a lot of other Jungle readers. Depends on how inebriated I am since we have a habit of winning games in heart attack inducing fashion. If drunk enough, I may get myself banned from BTSC with my first post there(kidding, I’m not that much of an A-hole, and I’ll post on Kirkendall’s question thread there). Bengals fans haven’t celebrated a sweep of PIT in a long time. We’ll find out when/if it happens, though.

However, I’m gonna smack back right now, you called us the worst 4-1 team in the league. Last I checked, we’re the only 4-1 team in the league as of today.

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 17, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

“we looked average against decent teams”

yeah i went off like a misguided missile after the loss but when you lose in the last seconds to both “decent” teams that makes you pretty decent yourself.

after watching the bengal game again is showed me they have a well rounded team. they get good pressure up the gut and have 3 above average receivers. their TE"s need help but their O-line is okay. all in all, i’d say they are for real. they haven’t even really got Coles into the mix yet. Coles can still ball. i look forward to watching them the rest of the season.

by raven on Oct 14, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

a huge part of it is Odom

he was on “bust alert” last year but he has made huge strides this year and will definitely be in the Pro Bowl if he continues at his current pace.

"I know where you're at, man. You had it all, and now it's gone. It's torn a hole in your soul bigger than my Escalade. So you turned to the drugs, the alcohol. Pornography, free-basing with OJ, human trafficking, dog fights slash orgies... darkness."
-- Craig Robinson as Reg Mackworthy in Season 1, Episode 5 of Eastbound & Down

by jackmca on Oct 15, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

WOW, YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS!

Herad on over to the Browns and Colts blog where I posted a FanPost asking them to put their thoughts down about the show. They blew me and Baltimore out of the water and just don’t get it.

Cleveland even has a site dedicated to Modell’s Death Watch. It’s here.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Oct 14, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey Bruce

Not sure I’d have expected any different take from them. In the same way that that country (Switzerland was it?) wound up with all the gold and art treasures the Nazi’s “lliberated” from the Jews littering their bank vaults, they’d just as soon that everyone forget about the Colts ever being in Baltimore or Hitler, erm, I mean Irsay moving them. Guilt has a way of making you wish people would just forget about the crime – once you’ve got what you want of course.

Plus, as it seems with this blog, my guess is that median age of most of the people posting there is too young to even remember a time they didn’t have the Colts. So, it’s like asking a high school class to get all worked up about some historical tragedy they have no real connection with. In the abstract, they’ll all go “ooh, that was bad”, but to really empathize with it is asking too much.

Not sure if the documentary covered this (don’t have cable anymore, so I haven’t seen it), but something that the Inbredianapolis-ers seem to be ignorant of is that their mayor at the time – Hudnutt? didn’t just sit passively by while the Irsays plotted. He was right in the room with them actively plotting the final solution and actively enticed the team to make the move – quite different from us accepting Art’s offer to move the Browns after he’d exhausted all alternatives in Cleveland.

"Talk’s cheap. Let’s go play." - Unitas

by D-Fensive on Oct 14, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ESPN will have a movie about the Browns and Indy soon.
-Brown Is For Poo
and
-THE DECEMBER FLOP (Worlds Best Indoor QB On Turf Gets 1 SB Victory)

by raven on Oct 14, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this was a great documentary

http://bit.ly/uIT0i

i talk about it a bit on my blog.

by joet on Oct 15, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I know how Cleveland fans feel about you guys, I'm a Bengals fan in Browns country...

But the biggest point that Browns fans don’t see is that Al Lerner and Modell worked out a deal during the time that the old Browns moved to Baltimore behind the scenes with Tagliabue that gave Cleveland fans the Browns we know today. And these guys hail Al Lerner as a saint. And Modell to them is the devil. Modell actually did help place a new team in Cleveland along with Lerner and Tagliabue. It just wasn’t publicized in the Cleveland media. Lerner was also once associated with Modell.

That said, I do try to have civil discussions with them, since I actually know some of the DBN members in real life.

I, as a Bengals fan, have many frustrations with ownership, despite the fact that we haven’t relocated, because for the most part, we have consistently been doormats for you guys, the Browns(old and new), Pitt, Tenn, Houston, and even Jacksonville(and pretty much everyone else on our schedule during the decade that should not be mentioned).

Even funnier is that a lot of Browns fans hate us because our ownership family is the same as the one their team was named for. Paul Brown was the founder of the Bengals as well as the Browns. and IIRC, he was the one who sold the Browns to Modell in the first place. I was reading the post on this subject at DBN, and there were a few rational responses, but DBN speaks for the majority of Browns fans(and certainly the ones I know). I think that there are respectable football fans of all teams, even the Steelers, who the Jungle probably gets the most flak from. I figured I’d post this here, because you guys would understand the history involved in my post better than most Browns fans would. If I posted this at DBN, I surely would have been banned from there.

Good game last week too, even though not favorable at the end for you guys, was very worrisome for me during most of the second half. I’ll see you guys again in three weeks for the rematch.

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Oct 17, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs