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Ravens-Steelers: Position Comparison

We did this similar comparison last week for the Ravens-Titans game and it evoked some interesting comments. Therefore, let's go unit-by-unit to see how the Ravens and Steelers match up for the AFC Championship Game.

OFFENSE:

QB: If we were comparing the Ravens rookie, Joe Flacco, to the rookie Ben Roethlisberger, this would be a great debate on whom you'd take. But to try to justify the wonderful rookie season that Flacco has had, to the veteran SB Champion QB , Roethlisberger, is just not worth it, regardless of either QB's success or issues this season. Advantage: Steelers

RB: The Ravens have used three RB's with varying degrees of success, but mostly relied on the bruising Le'Ron McClain and normally consistent Willis McGahee. Meanwhile, Willie Parker is the main Steelers threat with various other RB's used in specific conditions or due to Parker's injuries. That said, the Ravens backs have had better seasons and Parker just hasn't had any success against the Ravens in his career. Advantage: Ravens

WR: You would have a good argument if you took any side in the comparisons between taking the combination of the Ravens' Derrick Mason/Mark Clayton vs. the Steelers Hines Ward/Santonio Holmes. Both teams wideouts have solid possession receivers as well as big play potential. However, when you add the third option of the Steelers' Nate Washington, the Ravens don't have an answer to that. Advantage: Steelers

TE: The Ravens Todd Heap made a key catch in the Titans' game to extend their final drive for the game winning FG. However, he has been inconsistent in his ability to hold onto the ball and at times has either disappeared from the pass offense or kept in to block for protection. Pittsburgh's Heath Miller has been a vital target on short, dump off passes as Roethlisberger's pass protection has forced him to go to the short game. Advantage: Steelers

OL: The Ravens may have the youngest group in the league, with center Jason Brown the senior member at 25 years old, considering that RT Willie Anderson, a 12 year vet has been more of a reserve than a starter this season. The Steelers o-line has been hit with injuries and is considered the weak link of this offense, despite their success last week against San Diego. Advantage: Ravens

DEFENSE:

DL: This is a tough one to decide, as both teams boast big, strong d-linemen whose job it is to clog up the middle and keep the o-linemen off of their LB's. The Steelers have had injuries on their line and while their defense has more sacks than the Ravens, this is more because of their LB's than their linemen. The Ravens' Haloti Ngata is without peer in comparison to his Steelers' counterparts. Advantage: Ravens

LB: The Ravens have Ray Lewis, which normally would end this comparison right there. However, while he has no peer in the middle, the Steelers two outside LB's, James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley, have been nightmares to opposing QB's all year, and therein is where the edge lies over the Ravens. Advantage: Steelers

DB: The Ravens most likely will be without either of their season starting CB's in this game. Chris McAlister was IR'd earlier this season and Samari Rolle looks to be out or at least severely limited with a groin injury. That leaves Fabian Washington, who is not totally healthy and Frank Walker as their starters. The Steelers' Ike Taylor and Deshea Townsend are more solid cover men and tacklers than their Ravens counterparts. Advantage: Steelers

S: Wow, how do you rate a pair of safeties over either team when we're talking about both Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu? Both are All Pro's, certain Hall of Famers and are argued about who is the best in the league. Polamalu has a sore calf but will play and is a better tackler than Reed, who covers the deep ball better than anyone, as evidenced by his 10 interceptions in the past eight games. However, these guys play different positions, Reed a Free Safety, Polamalu a Strong Safety. I love the solid play and versatility of Jim Leonhard over Ryan Clark, along with the big play capabilities of Reed in this matchup. Advantage: Ravens

ST: Both placekickers are extremely accurate, with the Steelers' Jeff Reed having the stronger leg for greater distance. Both Reed and the Ravens' Matt ("It's Not Over Til It's") Stover have proved they can make the pressure kicks. The Ravens have Steve Hauschka for the longer FG's and kickoffs, but he is unproven as far as reliability. The Ravens punter, Sam Koch, is one of the best in the league and has a huge advantage over the Steelers' Mitch Berger. Santonio Holmes is a more dangerous return man than anyone the Ravens put out there for returns. Both teams are solid, yet unspectacular in preventing the long returns. However, the big difference in the punting game swings the favor to the Ravens: Advantage: Ravens

Coaching: Regardless of the great season Ravens rookie head coach John Harbaugh has had, he is not at the level of the Steelers' Mike Tomlin as far as experience, espeically in the postseason. However, his offensive and defensive coordinators are solid, well respected coaches. The Steelers' defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau is legendary at his level and while there has been questionable playcalling at times from the offensive coordinator, Bruce Arians, the overall edge here goes to Pittsburgh. Advantage: Steelers

How does this translate into the outcome of the game? Let the debate begin!

 

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steeler d line gets more penetration..i give them the edge. also, ben holds onto the ball forever trying to make a play so he gets sacked more often. but our O-line is better. ravens should win this game. we are the more physical team.

by raven on Jan 16, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You done did it now
we are the more physical team.

LET IT BEGIN!

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 16, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i just hope we don’t run over another police car on the way to the airport for our flight to Tampa.

by raven on Jan 16, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice breakdown

charity standing orders

by BadMaafala on Jan 16, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice

Man I still don’t know who I would pick as Safeties. Damn that’s a close one. We got some suffocating coverage on our teams

by Hochuli loves Broccoli on Jan 16, 2009 3:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

we shut you down in the pass game twice (minus the endings)…i think we moved the ball better pass wise than you..unfotunately, we took our foot of the gas.

by raven on Jan 16, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The only one I would have a debate about

Is Special teams. I think that’s a draw. Most people base the bad punting on the period were Berger was injured and cut.

"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)

by PixburghArn on Jan 16, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ok?

So there is the point, we have the best punter in the game (Come on, you know he is) and you guys let Ben punt. JK. But yes, because of our punter, that gives us the edge. Sam Koch can put the ball on the 1 yard line 7 out of 10 times, or at least that’s what it has seemed like this whole season.

Also, having Jon Harbaugh come from a Special Teams background, I feel that gives us an edge to. Picking up a 2 time pro bowl Special Teamer in the offseason (Brendon Ayenbadajo) then using the many talented rookies we have along with surprisngly, LeRon McClain, gives us a very good core of guys.

Leonhard has also done wonders for us this year on punt returns, ranking 7th I think it is in the league. What an athlete he is.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 16, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pittsburgh's Special Teams are Awful

(I am a Steeler fan, here from BTSC)

Your comment is confusing to me. Other than Santonio’s SINGLE run back, and other than Jeff Reed, the Steelers special teams play has been awful this season.

Inexcusably awful.

Muffed punts, returns for negative yards, short punts from Berger … it’s all there. Until the Steelers get Sepulveda back, their special teams unit as a whole is nearly the worst in the league.

Not to demean Jeff Reed’s skills. He might be an above field goal kicker, but he’s not good enough to save the entire unit.

by PaulMorel on Jan 17, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

The worst in the league?
Steelers rank number one in kick off coverage – yards allowed
They rank number four in punt coverage -yards allowed
I grant you they have had anemic punting this year, but that hasn’t affected their coverage. BTW – this is not to take away from Baltimore who has had both good punting and good coverage.
Their return game is a different story – its been pretty lousy. But the truth is that they made a huge improvement from last year when they were a bad team in coverage as well.

by SteelerBuddha on Jan 17, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

this was a good honest breakdown of the two teams and this is coming from a steelers fan, honestly I think it’s unfair to compare Ed Reed and Troy Polomalu. They play different position and are asked to do different things. They both excel at what they are asked to do. Troy is more likely to blow up a running play in the backfield while Ed is more likely to return an interception for a touchdown because the ravens defense are quick to realize the interception and they are very good at blocking and Ed sets up his blocks very nicely. I guess people give him the edge when they do compare because he scores points which is a legitimate argument. I’d agree if Troy was a Free Safety, which he is not. Troy has tried to return a couple of them this year but the blocking wasn’t there so … se la vi. I’d say safety is even because of Ryan Clark. You can’t include leanhard’s returning ablilties in this group because that’s ST not the safety position.

As for the punter talk, yes you have an edge in that department but we saw last week how Holmes made an Asset in punting become a liability. I think Leonhard isn’t to be overlooked either, he had a be return last week and a big one in the second game we played the ravens. I believe they got a field goal off that return so it made points. So with berger being better I say we’re even at that now. That being said I think the D-line is even, Casey Hampton is a monster down there and Brent K. and Bruce A. are very good at what their asked to do.

The ravens are a good team. I know they wish they’ve had flacco for a couple of years now. It will be interesting to see how this game turns out. Good job Rexx.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 16, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hope the Steelers victimize Frank Walker

like the pats did to Anthony Smith last year

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Jan 16, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Frank “Sky” Walker will carve Pitt. up with his light saber. Rather a fresh Walker than a beat up Rolle. We won’t miss Rolle and Frank tackles better. He is good for a personal foul because he is kind of a hot head. Ward could get under his skin pretty easy. He’s a McCalister-lite.

by raven on Jan 16, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Please don’t tell me your actually saying Frank Walker is good. Not even you can be that big of a homer.

by archon095 on Jan 17, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ngata

To say he is “without peer” on the other side is ridiculous. There’s somebody called Casey Hampton that plays NT for Pittsburgh. Ever heard of him?

by ismail on Jan 16, 2009 11:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Casey Hampton=Excellent NT

But I still stick with the comment, as Ngata absolutely deserved to be in the Pro Bowl over Shaun Rogers, whom no one in the league would ever considering trading Ngata for. Ngata, in addition to clogging up the middle, running sideline-to-sideline better than ANY nose tackle, has TWO interceptions! Hampton is very good, but not mentioned in the class of Ngata. Just below, but not equal.

Rexx

by Rexx on Jan 17, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Hampton is still a great player, but he hasn’t dominated the way he used to. Ngata is a total beast this year. My only quibble with D-Line analysis is that Aaron Smith wasn’t mentioned. I think he is the heart and soul of our D-line. I think it was his absence – not Willie Parker’s, that was the real reason the steelers lost in the first round last year.

All in all, I think that Rexx gave a good, fair and detailed breakdown. On paper the Steelers have a slight edge in a couple of areas. But they don’t play the game on paper. I think that the Ravens main advantage over the Steelers is that their Defense is a big play defense – where as the Steelers have tended to be a shut down defense.

What that means is that if the Steelers protect the ball they have a good chance of winning- but I can also imagine a couple of big plays by the Ravens’ D negating a good game by the Steelers.

can it be Sunday already?1?

by SteelerBuddha on Jan 17, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Breakdown

It’s hard to pick between those safeties. As a Steelers fan, I would take Troy, but that probably just reflects my bias.

Also, our nose tackle Casey Hampton is probably worth mentioning. He’s no Haloti Ngata, but he usually draws double teams nonetheless.

by PaulMorel on Jan 17, 2009 1:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

see comments about Ngata above this.

Rexx

by Rexx on Jan 17, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at this game...

as impartial as I can be, I’ve got to give the edge to the Steelers. I don’t think either team will be able to run the ball. If I had to pick one quarterback to lead either team, I would have to go with Big Ben. He has the history of pulling games out of his ass. No knock on Flacco, but I just don’t see him able to keep playing beyond his years. Also, the physicality of going through so many games without a bye has to hit the Ravens. I want the Ravens to win, and even if they don’t, its been a fantastic year. Either way, I will be shocked if the NFC walks away with a Superbowl this year…

"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."

by UMBC Oriole fan on Jan 17, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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