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Ravens Injuries No New Issue

There has been a bunch of news stories and comments about the injuries that the Ravens have suffered lately, most coming out of the war with the Titans last weekend. However, injuries are old news to the Ravens as the rallying cry has always been "next man up!" in the locker room. The Ravens have had a ton of injuries this season, losing perhaps as many starters to the Injured Reserve List as any team in the NFL. Even before this past weekend's game, they had already lost their starting RG (Marshall Yanda), DT (Kelly Gregg), CB (Chris McAlister) and SS (Dawan Landry) for the season, not to mention all three starting OT's (Gaither, Terry, Anderson) and both CB's (Rolle, Washington) for some time this season. Their replacements have played superbly in their absences and now that the situation once again rears its ugly head, the Ravens plan on being ready without excuses for the Steelers game this Sunday.

Terrell Suggs and Samari Rolle's injuries look to be the most serious. Suggs says he's playing but has not practiced all week and might not do anything other than the walk-thru's prior to gametime and wear a shoulder harness similar to the ones that both Peter Boulware and Ray Lewis wore when they had similar injuries in past years. In the event that Suggs does not play or is limited in how much he is in there, the Ravens are looking at three options in his place. When Suggs went down in the Titans game, he was replaced by DE Marques Douglas. The Raven switched to a a standard 4-3 defense, with Ngata and Bannan at DT, and Douglas and Pryce at the DE's. Douglas is no slouch and could very well start for many teams in the league. There is also Jameel McClain, who has shown flashes of brilliance with two safeties this season (a Ravens record) from the outside LB/rush end position. The third option is LB Edgar Jones, who has been in on passing situations throughout his time with the Ravens. He made the temporary switch to TE when the Ravens were thin at that position but is now back at LB.

Samari Rolles's injury might limit him even more than Suggs. At least Suggs can still get his legs moving and with one arm is better than most hybrid LB/DE's in the league. Rolle, on the other hand, has a groin injury and needs his wheels to be able to defend the receivers. Without being able to keep up, cut and plant, much less take and give a hit, he is virtually worthless to the defense. A groin injury is not one that you can put in a brace, wrap tight or take a shot to lessen the pain. If it's torn, you just can't run well no matter what you try. In the case of Rolle's limited play, his replacement,...and it hurts me to even write this,..is Frank Walker. Walker has played some decent ball, but it was usually when the opponents haven't realized he was in there at CB. In the second game with Pittsburgh and the first with Tennessee (both losses), their game winning drives came at the coincidental times that Walker was in as an injury replacement for either Rolle or Chris McAlister (I believe Fabian Washingotn was injured earlier in the season as well). Not only does this make us a target on Walker's side, it moves our Dime Back, Corey Ivy into the Nickel position, which then puts him on the third best wideout, which is most likely going to be the dangerous Nate Washington. Our Dime Back will then either become Evan Oglesby or perhaps the Ravens will go with one of their two excellent, hard hitting rookie safeties, Tom Zbikowski and/or Haruki Nakamura. Personally, I'd rather see either of them than both of our reserve CB's in there.

Either way, no matter what the situation, most NFL teams have been hit hard in the injury department. This will not be an excuse with the Ravens as I fully expect them to be able to compete with the Steelers regardless of whom lines up at the start and end of the game. However, this couldn't have come at a more critical time of the season and while I acknowledge the NFL's longest continuous streak of weeks played without a Bye since they went to the 17 week regular season, I see it more as a result of our tough games and the style of violent defense we play than the so-called "tired" comments that all the pundits keep on replaying every week now. Trust me, no matter who goes out between the white lines, we will be ready and by the end of the game, they will know the answer to our question, "What's Our Name?"

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You know, most fanbases would be whining and complaining that this game is going to be unfair and that the ravens got screwed by scheduling and X and Y and Z.

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

Sports Illustrated put up a link to this article.

If the link doesn’t work, you can find it here: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/ravens

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jan 15, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

Apparently, the key is not to use the link interface at all.

Water covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Ed Reed covers the rest.

by Ampallang on Jan 15, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Egdar Jones

He is our undrafted rookie defensive end/ linebacker who converted to Tight End when Sypnewski went down. Number 84, he is going to take Suggs spot if not available. How many players in this league play both sides of the ball, go ahead and name them for me.

This is what I heard on Sirius NFL radio today.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 15, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think you can really call him “able to play both sides of the ball”. A lot of guys end up switching in college and it’s not like he’s very far off. If Jones plays a season as a good LB and then switches to be a good TE the next season, I’ll be very impressed. Right now though he hasn’t done anything besides tackle a few guys and catch a ball. Anyone can play both sides of the ball when they spend most of the time on the bench.

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

But, he has seen action at Tight End and Significant time at LB.

He has played both sides of the ball many times this season. I am not talking about switching over from college, I am talking about playing offense and defense in one game, something that Jones has done numerous times this season. IE, caught a pass against Jacksonville and had a tackle.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 15, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think he has been “playing” if he has had “significant time at LB” and only has 4 tackles. Edgar jones doesn’t do squat right now. If you want to talk about a guy who can play both sides and do so dominantly, I’m pretty sure the ravens have a better example.

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Troy Brown for the NE Pats. He played Wide Reciever but when they were thin at Corners he played that for a year.

by archon095 on Jan 15, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent Point

and a more involved two way player than any I can think of recently,—-and don’t give me that Deion Sanders stuff!

Rexx

by Rexx on Jan 15, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Deion only played offense because he wanted too and he was Deion.

by archon095 on Jan 15, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I was hoping that McClain would get the start if suggs cant go. The guy can rush the passer as we all know but i would also like to see if he can cover the pass. If so, we may have another T-Sizzle on our hands.

FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Benji5203 on Jan 15, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Jameel McClain just makes plays every time he’s in there. Edgar Jones doesn’t relly impress me, although he can rush the passer. Douglas is solid and as I said, could start for a lot of teams. Either way, Suggs will be missed but I’d never use it for an excuse.

Rexx

by Rexx on Jan 15, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

both sides of the ball?

Troy Brown, Zack Vrabel, Devin Hester, Deion Sanders, Haloti Ngata, Warren Sapp, just to name a few.

by iLL on Jan 16, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Corners...

Rexx, the corners, even more so than Suggs, as great as he is, are the difference in this game.

Even Fabian is fragile… imagine no Rolle or Washington? Would it not lend itself to be a repeat of the 2007 fiasco on Monday night….when Steeler receivers were WIDE open.

I know all these guys to a man are very talented. Ivy, Oglesby, Walker, obviously great athletes…but with all respect to those guys, we need either Washington to play the whole game with either a miracle from Walker or a miracle Rolle gets healthy enough to play a decent percentage of snaps, effectively. Cory is a true gamer and will leave his heart on the field, but out of his elelment, we are asking a lot of him.

I do believe the Ravens, depending on the injury situation, may decide to open it up, realizing 10-13 points will not be enough for them to win. I expect a more open offense, not reckless, but open and the Ravens goal should be 24 points.

Heal boys, heal…. If we have our starters we had against the Titans, even minus Suggs, we’ll win.

Play well Ravens!

by DTMAN on Jan 15, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

Heal boys, heal…. If we have our starters we had against the Titans, even minus Suggs, we’ll win.

Not sure what leads you to say that so confidently.

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I am wondering if the banged up secondary is going to hinder unleashing the blitzes

I don’t know if Ryan goes more conservative because of the remaining coverage.

by drj on Jan 15, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he blitzes even more

If we sit back in prevent, and can’t hurry Ben, then those receivers will get open against a depleted secondary. My thought is that we need to make Ben throw earlier than he is prepared to.

Rexx

by Rexx on Jan 15, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

If you’ve ever strained your groin in any way you know how impossible it is to function. It’s a muscle that you never know you use until it hurts to use it.

by tvon on Jan 15, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

Very true

I strained my groin about 5 years ago and was on crutches for 2 weeks. It hurts so much to move your legs in any direction.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Jan 15, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i think thats when they had to cut him out of his house to get him to the hospital

by raven on Jan 15, 2009 7:31 PM EST reply actions  

problem with rushing ben is the TE and RB’s get in the flat quick. Heath sheds his blocks extremely well. they are tough to stop with the short pass. i might have Leonhard way up all day. make them beat us long. i don’t think they can and that is when ben will force it. we need him to attempt long passes..not just 2 well planned ones but improvised long passes-bens achilles heel.

by raven on Jan 15, 2009 7:34 PM EST reply actions  

I say we rush five

at least every play. Put seven in the box with Leonhard up close to the line as well. Play the corners up on the line to hit the wideouts off the line with Reed back for insurance.

Rexx

by Rexx on Jan 15, 2009 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

Remember the Monday night game last year?

I do. Your corners were hurt and Ben threw 5 td`s in the first half. Not saying that will happen again, but having solid corners is the key to being able to blitz effectively. That would be like Ike Taylor, Bryant McFadden, and James Harrison being out for the Steelers. Ouch, that makes me sick even thinking about if that happened. I believe you guys still bring the blitz, i would just be scared of Ben getting out of the pocket. That is when the corners are most vulnerable.

If the Ravens are able to overcome these gigantic hurdles and win this game, i will be the first to give you guys props and admit you have heart. Playing in Pittsburgh against a 97% healthy team bringing the best defense in the league against an inexperienced QB while still limping from a Titans slug fest sounds improbable, but this is the NFL and i am guessing you guys bring your best shot. Cant wait.

by SteelerDomination on Jan 16, 2009 2:37 AM EST reply actions  

also, McNaire took the heart out of us with his early/often turnovers..we packed it in. but, yeah, it was an ass kicking. hmmm, we never really paid you back prime time for that….maybe Sunday.

by raven on Jan 16, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

“If the Ravens are able to overcome these gigantic hurdles and win this game…” Give the Ravens props.

Otherwise, I’m with you. If the Ravens pull this off the Steelers will be kicking themselves worse than the Titans did. I saw some throwback clips last night of Roeth..sp?… first playoff as a rookie. Flacco has squeaked through two (on the road). Hope it’s three.

by drj on Jan 16, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

not too worried about rolle being out..his tackling stinks, he plays way off the ball and the steelers have burned him in the past. i’d also rather have a healthy/fresh player in place of injured suggs. the fresh legs/health of backups could pay off. i think the biggest factor is rays ability to cover the pass before the 1st down marker.

by raven on Jan 16, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

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