Game 9: Ravens @ Browns
by Rexx
on Jul 10, 2008 8:46 AM EDT
The Ravens reach the halfway point at 5-3, which is a huge upgrade over the previous eight games at the end of last year. At this point, they should still be in the playoff hunt and if healthy, their young players, especially on the offensive line and at QB, will only get better with more experience.
Unfortunately, as much as it hurts and I truly hate the whiny Cleveland Browns, I don't see the Ravens winning their second half opener on the road. "Wah, Baltimore took our team in 1996!" Yeah, and left the name and colors through the sentimental generosity of former Browns and Ravens owner Art Modell. Modell, who incidently is old and sick, should absolutely, positively be inducted into the Hall of Fame before he passes away and the voters have the chance to get real and right a very wrong mistake instead of listening to some sorry and bitter Cleveland sportswriters. His contributions to the NFL are long and instrumental in the league's success. Cleveland's mayor refused to support the team financially and waited until he left for Baltimore to build a new stadium. Had he done this when Modell begged for one, the Browns would have never left Cleveland. Besides, Cleveland waited all of what, two years for a new team with their original name and colors? Baltimore lost their name, colors and even their team records, which, incidently, are now only listed under the name of the Indianapolis Colts. Can you believe that Johnny Unitas' Hall of Fame bust and records are listed under the Indianapolis Colts team name!? What a travesty of justice. One more thing- the city of Baltimore was forced to wait 14 seasons before they got another NFL team. They tried to do it through expansion, but former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue told Baltimore fans to use their money to build a museum instead of trying to get another franchise. After realizing how he was railroading this city and denying us a fair chance at an expansion team, we figured out that this was the only way we would ever get back into the NFL. After all of our glorious football history, the city and fans of Baltimore deserved a lot better than that!
But we digress, as this post should be about the game in week 9. The Ravens will still not be a great road team in 2008. The defense will show up, no matter if they play at home, in Cleveland or on any sandlot field. However, I expect the youngsters on offense to play poorly enough to give the game away to the Browns by turning the ball over to the Cleveland offense deep in the Ravens territory to allow the Browns to outscore the Ravens. Baltimore usually averages around 10 points less on the road than at home. They will give up enough points to the Browns to prevent a comeback. Putting the chance at success on the young QB, regardless as to whom it will be, is a tough task, as the Ravens strength on offense is still their running game. Forced to pass to stay in the game will be their downfall. Disappointing, but a win-able game will just not happen this week.
Oh, how I hate the Browns, but I try to keep it real and a season series split is what we'll get in 2008.
Browns: 27 Ravens: 17
Season Record: 5-4
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I don’t get the hatred of the Browns.
1) What happened to the Colts is wholly irrelevant to the Browns-move-to-Baltimore story. If some guy’s Lexus gets stolen, that doesn’t mean I can’t be upset that my $500 bike was stolen (which it just was, d*mmit). Of course Baltimore fans had suffered more (years waiting, loss of colors/records). That means as much to Browns fans as the sale of some European Soccer team… it’s totally inconsequential to our feelings, and justifiably so.
2) The new stadium we have now would have never sufficed Modell’s needs. It’s very simple and rather base, built on the cheap and not filled w/ the luxurities and boxes that make the hearts of rich white guys (like Art) pound. Plus, we were selling out every game before the move. If an owner can’t at least break even w/ zero empty seats, then he’s nothing but an idiot.
by kwoog on Jul 10, 2008 10:57 AM EDT 0 recs
Come on...
...even a Brown’s fan knows that simply an old, out of date stadium, even sold out, won’t meet the needs of the growing salary cap in the NFL anymore. You need luxury boxes and even PSL’s to compete with the Jerry Jones’ and Daniel Snyders’ of this world! Art was losing money hand over foot for years. He was also the only owner in the league whose entire business was the football team. He didn’t have another business, like every other owner, to fall back on. He made it clear to your Mayor White, who told him to take a flying f—k! He has always been a class guy and the NFL owes him the common courtesy and decency to vote him in the Hall. He was a good owner in Cleveland until he moved the team and then everyone hated him. Bob Irsay was ALWAYS hated in Baltimore from the time he bought the team to even after his death.
There is really not too much hated of Cleveland compared to the Steelers, which we probably agree on. However, for Pittsburgh, it’s rivalry based, while Cleveland is just to get you guys to stop whining and off Modell’s back.
Rexx
by Rexx on
Jul 10, 2008 7:40 PM EDT
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Reality check
Rexx,
You Baltimore guys never get the story right. Back in the late 80’s – early 90’s when the Gateway Project that became Jacobs Field and Gund was proposed, Uncle Artie was offered a 55 -60 K seat stadium complete with luxury boxes, etc on the site that is now Quicken Loans Arena but he said no thanks because the old Cleveland Municipal Stadium held upwards to 80K and he didn’t want a smaller place. Mike White and his minions worked on him for awhile before saying screw it and instead talked the Gunds into moving the Cavs from Richfield to downtown. I blame the other owners almost as much as that greedy SOB because they could have told him no that he couldn’t move. They should have told Art that if he couldn’t afford to keep the team in a town where we sold out every game, even in the 3-13 seasons, then he should sell the team. I bet everyone in Baltimore has forgiven the Irsays and just love the hell out of them, don’t they? RIGHT!
Modell was always a cheapskate when he was here. His and his idiot son’s meddling in the team’s affairs were one of the primary reasons we never won anything here except the ‘64 Championship and that was with Paul Brown’s team. By the way that game was against who? Oh yeah, the Baltimore Colts and Johnny Unitas who supposedly had the best offense in football that year. I seem to remember the total points the Colts scored that day, 0 wasn’t it? I was at that game, my one shining moment in Cleveland sports history, I hope I live to see another one.
by #32 on
Jul 11, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
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Get your facts right!
Hey Rexx,
Pound sand! Modell is a weasel! Modell a good owner! You are nuts, this is the man who fired Paul Brown as coach of the Browns, who is reguarded by experts as probably the best football coach ever. Cleveland was going to extend the Sin Tax which funded the Jake so the Browns could build a new stadium. But Modell, the astute businessman that he was said no he was going to Baltimore.
Why, because Baltimore waved 250 million dollars under his nose so he could bail out his failing busnesses. Modell was taking money from the Browns to cover loses in his other adventures, that is how he said he was losing money on the Browns. When you fill an 80,000 seat stadium EVERY game you don’t lose money.
As far as Browns fans whining, we learned from the best, you all in Baltimore. At least when we got our team back we did not steal it from another city. You are whining about Cleveland keeping the colors and history of the Browns, why should you care, you could have tried the same when the Colts left, but noone thought of it You say we should get of Modell’s back, let him in the HOF, he is a nice guy, as soon as you say Irsay is a great guy for taking your Colts away!
SO when you want to talk trash about us, look in the mirror and get your facts straight.
by dbienko on
Jul 12, 2008 4:48 AM EDT
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I don't really hate the Browns....
...but Jamal Lewis can go suck a dick, go Baltimore!
by Arichmix on Jul 10, 2008 3:03 PM EDT 0 recs
Are you kidding?
I am a Browns fan and I would like to welcome you to the NFL basement. We have abandoned it and it’s all yours now.
Split the series with the Browns? With what offense do you plan to do that? Get Ray-Ray jacked up on coke and he’ll make a tackle or two, but this defense has one foot in the grave. You may split with the Bengals, but that’ll be your only divisional win.
4-12 tops for Rat-Birds this year. Then you can spend that top 5 pick not addressing your disastrous quarterback situation. Okay, I hate the Ravens, but I’ll let you on a little secret to help you out; you have absolutely zero offense.
by RaleighDawg on Jul 10, 2008 4:36 PM EDT 0 recs
yea...
I don’t think you should use the term “Ray-Ray jacked up on coke” considering your team is the one with the coke-head now. And considering both he and Braylon do it quite a bit, you shouldn’t be one to talk.
by Arichmix on
Jul 10, 2008 5:40 PM EDT
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Coke head?
Are you referring to Jamal Lewis? Could be, although he was never known to actually ‘do’ the coke and if so, a habit undoubtedly picked up in Baltimore’s famous half-way house, aka the Rat-Bird’s locker room.
I didn’t know about Braylon’s coke habit. You should break that story somewhere and take the $$.
Is Ray-Ray the only active player in the NFL to actually buy his way out of a murder conviction? Did they ever find the killer?
by RaleighDawg on
Jul 11, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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I THINK WE WILL WIN THIS ONE SORRY
ya i dont think the browns will show up as they did last year, all our players should be healthy, and dont forget we lost by a fieldgoal even tho half of our team was in the hospital. dont forget that.
by RAVEN'SD#1 on Jul 10, 2008 5:23 PM EDT 0 recs
You could'nt win with your coaching staff!
Here’s the scenario:
Ravens lead the undefeated powerhouse team by a field goal with time running out. This will be a win to hang your hat on this season. It will go down in the long (oops) great history of your franchise.
All you need to do is stop this team on fourth down. The snap…an incomplete pass! The Ravens are ready to celebrate an amazing victory. But wait. What was that? The Defensive Coordinator called time out?? The refs granted it? That’s ok. We’ll show them the character thi8s team has from top to bottom. We’ll stop ‘em again.
The snap, the pass…...TOUCHDOWN PATRIOTS.
Nice coaching, birdies.
by LA BrownsBacker on
Jul 13, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
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Dats coo
A least we put up a fight against the Pats and didnt get blown out like yall. Nice coaching, brownies.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on
Jul 14, 2008 12:13 AM EDT
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Arichmix
Haha. Lets tell Jamal Lewis who took you to the Superbowl, and always wanted to be a Raven and stay a Raven, they kick him to the curb and you tell him to suck a dick, lol, classic.
by ballhhhwmxxx on Jul 10, 2008 5:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Jamal
I don’t hate him cuz of his anything on the field, I hate him because he was a f’n scumbag with the Ravens and he’s still is a scumbag now that he’s with the Browns.
by Arichmix on
Jul 10, 2008 9:34 PM EDT
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Jamal Lewis
certainly seemed washed up to me, but he had a sort of re-birth in Cleveland last year. We’ll give that to you guys, as he loved to play against Cleveland, didn’t he? Lewis was pretty much of a rookie when we won the Super Bowl, so you can’t quite say he took us there. Remember, we didn’t even score a single TD for a five game stretch, and still won two of them, and came back to win the Lombardi Trophy anyway. So, when it really comes down to it, we don’t need a great offense, just one that is good enough. Our defense will definitely be better than your retreads with no chemistry, and I’ll still take an aging, yet smart Ray Lewis over pretty much any LB in the NFL, certainly any of Cleveland’s starters, who would most likely be sitting on our bench. So there!
Rexx
by Rexx on Jul 10, 2008 7:45 PM EDT 0 recs
Wimbley would start for you. As would Wright and Jones.
by kwoog on
Jul 10, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
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OK, that's right...
...you like stats, and I’m sure you were about to point out that I just “dodged” your claim. So, here are some facts to hush you up.
Wimbley (your “best” LB, and plays every down):
51 Tackles 5 Sacks 4 FF 0 INTs
Lewis
120 Tackles 2 Sacks 2 FFs 2 INTs
Scott
93 Tackles 2 Sacks 0 FFs 0 INTs
Suggs
80 Tackles 5 Sacks 1 FFs 0 INTs
Johnson
58 Tackles 2 Sacks 2 FFs 0 INTs
As you can see, Wimbley was only a little better than our worst LB, and that was a bad year for our defense. Try comparing 2006 numbers. As far as Wright and Jones, they would have to compete. There is NO WAY Jones would start over Reed. He would compete with Landry, and I’d take Landry everytime. Wright would compete with Rolle and Washington. He may win that battle, but it’s our most shallow position. Still, he’d never beat out McAllister.
There you have it. Basically, the Brown’s best defensive players would be fighting for with backups IF they were with the Ravens (if they could only be so lucky, just ask AD).
by BAL_Hawk on
Jul 11, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
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Your response makes me wonder if you’ve ever watched a football game before.
Scott and Lewis are inside linebackers. Comparing their stats to Wimbley’s is like comparing Kyle Boller’s stats to Wimbley’s. It has nothing to do with anything. Wimbley is an outside linebacker, so you have to compare him to Suggs or Johnson. There’s no doubt in any sane person’s mind that he’d start over Johnson, considering his pedigree as a first rounder, he had 11 sacks as a rookie, and was only held two 5 last year because he was double and often triple teamed. Wimbley might even start over Suggs. His rookie year was better than any of Suggs’ last 4 years. And he didn’t have the front 7 support that Suggs has had in Baltimore.
Once again, you don’t know football b/c you compare a FS (Reed) to a SS (Jones). And Jones wouldn’t compete w/ Landry, he’d start over him. This is self evident, looking at the numbers and the defenses they play in. I’ve already defended Jones here before, no need to do it again.
And yes, Wright would beat out McAllister (comparing Wright to Rolle and Washington actually made me lol… kinda like comparing Peyton to Boller). McAllister is not one of the top cornerbacks in football anymore. He’s old and his skills have been declining for years. Meanwhile, many people are calling Wright a breakout candidate and future star. Again, I’ve explained this before, no need to relink to the sources/numbers.
But then again, someone who’s never watched a football game probably won’t understand this.
by kwoog on
Jul 11, 2008 10:45 AM EDT
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At the very least, in conclusion: Wimbley would start over Johnson, Wright over Rolle, Jones over Landry.
by kwoog on
Jul 11, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
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You lost it
ARE U FOR REAL?! Do you really think Wright would beat out c-Mac and wimbley would beat suggs? First of all, Wimbley did not have a better rookie season den the last 4 of suggs. During the last four season, suggs has made two pro bowl and in his rookie season, suggs won rookie of the year. Did wimbley do dat? Suggs had a down year because he was also double team and even triple team also because our second best pass rusher was injuried for most of the season.
Now, Wright starting over C-mac? Cmon. You couldnt be serious. C-Mac is one of the top three CB in da league. U think cuz he’s old he wont be good? Champ is also in his 30’s. Can wright beat him out to? Wright was a rookie last year. He has alot to learn before you start comparing him to C-mac.
In conclusion, no one on the browns would start over a raven.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on
Jul 11, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
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First of all, what I said was those guys would start over Rolle and Johnson (not Suggs and McAlister). This is not debatable.
Then I threw out there that Wimbley and Wright could start over Suggs and McAlister, respectively. Both are defensible, and you could go either way. But one thing that is not defensible is that McAlister is a top 3 (or 5, or 10, or 15) cornerback in the league. KC Joyner ranked the CB tandoms last year based on yards per attempt allowed, and Baltimore was ranked second to last in the entire NFL, at 9.5 ypa. Incidentally, the Browns were ranked 6th best (at 6.8), and that’s with Bodden, whose stats were worse than McDonald’s.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=3425488
by kwoog on
Jul 11, 2008 4:43 PM EDT
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Thats because WE WERE INJURIED! Y dnt you understand that? So if C-mac is not is the top 15, wright is?
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by Benji5203 on
Jul 11, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
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Injuries are what happens to old people whose skills have diminished.
Again, stop bringing up the Browns when I critique the Ravens. Wright has nothing to do with whether or not McAlister is a top 15 corner. How many wins the Browns had before Savage took over has nothing to do with whether or not the Ravens will be competitive this year.
by kwoog on
Jul 11, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
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So watu sayin is dat because he is old, he is not a top 5 CB?
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by Benji5203 on
Jul 11, 2008 7:59 PM EDT
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I’m saying that he’s not good anymore. And that could be because he’s old, or he’s been injured too much, or whatever. But the numbers and treatment around the league is clear: there isn’t a GD person outside of Maryland who thinks this guy is a top tier corner anymore.
by kwoog on
Jul 11, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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Wat ever u say. u have the rite to ur own opion and i cant tell u dat ur wrong. We will just see this season who is rite.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on
Jul 12, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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This is really unfair...
...we have to stop using 2007 stats like they mean something. Anyone in their right mind would conceed that the Browns had a better season last year. The Browns were having their best season and the Ravens were having their worst. Half of the Raven’s players were injured, the other half were demoralized and Billick was self-destructing. In all honesty, it was only by Rex Ryan’s genius that they weren’t blown out by 40 points every game, and it was a miracle that the offense scored any points at all. The team was not a “team.” The Ravens are extremely talented, especially on defense, as our playoff run the year before proves.
The best part about all of this: even with Billick’s coaching, we were still a competative team, made several playoff appearances and won a superbowl. We were inconsistant, but that can be attributed (in my opinion) to poor offseason conditioning. Ozzie Newsome has always brought in the best talent, but the team has never realized its great potential. Just imagine what the Ravens will do with a motivated winning coach behind the helm. Hopefully Harbaugh is that man.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. Long story short: it’s not fair to strictly compair the Ravens 2007 stats to the Browns 2007 stats. If you only want to look at one year, let’s go back to 2006.
by BAL_Hawk on
Jul 13, 2008 8:57 AM EDT
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I completly agree with you. I’ve been saying that since the 1st cleveland game. These Browns fans take last season and think thats wats going to happen next. Who ever thought that the ravens would finish 5-11 after going 13-3 and were favorties to win the super bowl? Who thought that the browns would go 10-6 and nearly make the playoffs? No one did. So insted of thinking that the ravens arent going to do will, Just think about the 06 season. We went 13-3 right after we went 6-10. We always bounce back from a lossing season with a good season. So we will see how this season plays out.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on
Jul 13, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
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To quote my post before...
...” the Brown’s best defensive players would be fighting with backups IF they were with the Ravens (if they could only be so lucky, just ask AD).” Saying that Johnson would start over Johnson isn’t exactly a compliment to the Brown’s defense. By the way, I never compared Wimbley to Lewis or Scott. I only put their numbers up to back up the previous quote.
Wright competing with Rolle isn’t exactly a compliment either. Landry and Jones would be a straight-up competition in my opinion. Jones may have better stats, but Landry played his second year on a slumping defense. He was in competition for defensive rookie in his first year.
Also, you may want to critique your arguments. You mix stats with personal opinions while personally insulting the person you are disagreeing with (as if it adds to your argument). It makes you sound uneducated, ignorant and quite frankly, it is an isult to everyone reading.
by BAL_Hawk on
Jul 12, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
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oops...
...it should be “Wimbley over Johnson” in the second sentance.
by BAL_Hawk on
Jul 12, 2008 10:48 AM EDT
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I haven’t insulted anybody at anytime.
I correctly pointed out that your statistical “analysis” included comparing Scott and Lewis to Wimbley (which you did), as well as Reed to Jones. This is like comparing Wimbley or Jones to Roger Federer. If someone did that, I’d justifiably wonder if they’d ever watched football.
As far as fighting with backups, Johnson isn’t a backup. If Wimbley were traded to the Ravens tomorrow for cash, he would start every game. The same is true for Jones over Landry, whether you take stats or rep around the league (despite whatever “personal opinions” are clouding your ability to see that). And of course Wright would start for you, over either corner back, but definitely over Rolle. So there are three guys that wouldn’t be fighting with backups, they’d beat out Ravens starters. That means the statement “the Brown’s best defensive players would be fighting with backups IF they were with the Ravens (if they could only be so lucky, just ask AD)." totally incorrect.
Case closed.
by kwoog on
Jul 12, 2008 11:45 AM EDT
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But how can you say that. You actin like there arent a few learnig curves that these guys would have to learn. We have the most complex defense in the leauge and to say a guy can cum rite in and start for us isnt rite. Wimbley is a hell of athlete and could learn to play, in our D, but he wont be our instant starter. He would have compettion against both johnson and atwan barnes. He might not even beat out barnes because he is so talented. Also, jones over landury? Jones is a good player but do you really think he could beat out landury? Dawan had a let down year but didnt have any help besides Ed who did every thing he could do. We will see this season tho.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on
Jul 12, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
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Yeah
You know i gotta jump up in dis. The browns Won 10 games last year. They were 7-1 at home rite? This year, They can not sneak up on any1! Teams see them as a Ligament Threat and are going to bring there A game every time. The Ravens lost to the browns Twice. The 1st game, The Browns really brought it to us and won. The 2nd game, Half our Defense were injuried and we just gave up when the reversed the FG. They are a good offensive team with a poor(but improved)Defense. I cant see the browns winning this game. I know the ravens had a tough time winning games on the road but, They should be able to sweep the browns this season.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on Jul 10, 2008 8:04 PM EDT 0 recs
Not a chance, when you don’t have an NFL caliber QB on your roster. It really is as simple as that.
by kwoog on
Jul 10, 2008 8:18 PM EDT
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Dont get to happy
Ok. D.Anderson has one good season and he is already one of the best QB’s? Yes, He threw 28 or 29 Td’s and 19 ints. Dats gud, but lets see him do that again.
Wimbley,wroght amd jones would not start for us. I dont think they would be able to handle the hybird defense we ply. They would have to learn how to play the 46, 43, and 34 at the same time,. how many teams do you see doing that on a regular basis.
On the other thing you posted, Rodgers is overwieght and slow. he wont catch troy smith. Wimbley wont have the chane to go after troy because he will be to worried about the run, williams…..... dont have anything to say about him
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by Benji5203 on
Jul 10, 2008 8:28 PM EDT
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Still waiting for that part where you address the point that you don’t have an NFL starting caliber QB on your roster…
(crickets chirping)
by kwoog on
Jul 10, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
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you know....
...I don’t see many differences in the quarterback situation that BMore has now compared to what Cleveland had last season.
Troy Smith didn’t do bad in his time starting last season, so he may do well starting next season, a la Derek Anderson.
Joe Flacco is a first-round rookie who has a lot of potential, not unlike Brady Quinn.
So our situation may end up working out just like yours did last season.
by Arichmix on
Jul 10, 2008 9:32 PM EDT
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Interesting perspective, so perhaps. Quinn was a concensus top 10-worthy pick though, while Flacco was a surprise. Also, Smith is a wild card w/out some of the physical tools to play the position, whereas Anderson was just a wild card with a canon. But yes, I see what you’re saying and generally think it’s a good point.
I guess it just comes down to this… before last season I would have said the same about the Browns as I’m saying now about the Ravens: they don’t have an NFL caliber starting QB, yet. Someone had to step up and become one and someone did for the Browns. Whether or not it will happen for the Ravens, no one knows. But at this point in time, starting QB is a question mark for you. You’re the only team like that in the division, and one of a only a few like that in the entire league.
by kwoog on
Jul 11, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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We never had a real gud QB but still manged to get into paly-offs and win our division. We win with the running and defense. Smash mouth football! somthing yall are not acustom to.
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by Benji5203 on
Jul 11, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
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Yeah but...
Getting by with our running and defense doesn’t mean a whole lot when the playoffs and divisional titles don’t lead to playoff wins. A good quarterback is something that can take us to that next level cuz I’m sick of us constantly having playoff exits simply due to our lack of efficiency at the quarterback spot, so we gotta be an all-around well tuned team to get back to the promised land.
Will Troy Smith or Joe Flacco lead us there? I sure as hell hope so. I just wish we had gotten SteMac earlier instead of in time for one good season.
by Arichmix on
Jul 11, 2008 2:15 AM EDT
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And yes, when Rogers, Wimbley, and Williams are all about converge on 5’9” Troy Smith, you could call that a “ligament threat”...
by kwoog on
Jul 10, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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also
Troy is 6ft. Short and stocky. I dont even think would be able to sack him!
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by Benji5203 on
Jul 10, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
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Ok, yes im a cleveland fan, but come on baltimore fans, get real. Do you really think you can hang w/ the browns this upcoming year!? seriously!? Let’s get it straight, you have NO quaterback, flacco’s a rookie, he reminds me of Derek Anderson, who you messed up not keeping, good job, but he wont make any strides untill atleat year 2, mcgahee’s a good back, but like anderson, you let a better back in lewis go, i.e look at last years stats,
Your mediocre line is just going to be worse without ogden, look out for wimbley and shaun rogers, i’d get sick to my stomach if i were a baltimore fan thinking about that. Derek mason is old, you have no other recievers who are better than just average, face it.
now your defense, they were great a couple years ago, but not much more than average last year, and they only got older. Ray lewis, was great, but he is on the decline, admit it. Bart scott, hes pretty good, but look at game film from last year and watch lewis put a hellacious block on him, it’s hilarious trust me. Mccalister was a good corner, but liek most fo yoru defense, he’s old. Ask Braylon Edwards. Samari Rolle sucks anymore, ask any reciever who played against him. And our offense just got better, i.e dante stallworth and martin rucker. You couldnt stop us last year, yoru defense got older and worse, our offense only got better. Face it baltimorons, you dont even have an argument. Think about this, a top 3 o-line( the browns) in the nfl, Derek anderson, Jamal Lewis, Braylon Edwards, Dante Stallworth, Kellen Winslow, Joe J. or woudl you rather have
Kyle Boller(most likely to start) Willis Mcgahee, Todd heap, Derek mason. Not even close to being an argument.
Or this, very old ray lewis and chris mccalister, haloti ngata, thats your 3 best defensive players. or Shaun Rogers, Kamerion Wimbley and Eric Wright. Also Not even an argument. Good luck this year guys, you may win 5 games, if and i mean if, 50% of your players don’t have heart attacks. lol peace out
by Jay Cross on Jul 10, 2008 10:00 PM EDT 0 recs
Oh damnit i knew i was forgetting something. You have a very good player in Ed Reed
But so do we in Sean Jones, we’ll just have to wait for the season to play out to see who does better. It’s a toss up. also forgot this, I’d rather have brady quinn than flacco smith or boller, hell i’d rather have just him alone than all 3 of them. Let alone with Derek Anderson. You have no clue what Flacco can do yet, he may be good or a bust, hard to tell yet. Boller is f*cking horrible, im sure everyone who reads this agree’s, unless your a moron, or better yet a baltimoron, and smith was a good qb at ohio state. But thats college
by Jay Cross on Jul 10, 2008 10:08 PM EDT 0 recs
Wow
Its funny. The Browns have one decent year in the last 5 and their fanz alrdy think there the best in the division. The Browns have a better offense then the Ravens. Everyone knows that, but ot say McGahee is not better then Lewis? Jamal Has a reliable QB so he wont see many 8 and 9 man fronts like baltimore but, McGahee is younger and far more talented. He sees holes better and hits them hard insted of sutter steping and losing 2 yrds like lewis. And tell me who has a better sift arm then McGahee besides L.T.? He can also catch the ball out of the back field.
Now about the o-line. We did lose our best Player in odgen but, we’ve been grooming a replacment in Gathier who has the size of ogden and some of the skills. Ogden Said that he will be around To help develop the young Tackle. Dont be suprised if he turns out better then tomas. Ben Gruubs is one of the best young gurads in the nfl. He will be moving back to his oringal college postion. expect him to get better. J.Brown should had been a pro blower last year. He dominated every DT he palyed. Yanda Moves back to Guard. expect him to be a good palyer and terry was doing a great job a RT before he got hurt.
Now, About the Defense. We mat be getting older, but our D is still one of,if not the best in the nfl. Ray Lewis is 33 years old and is palying better then any LB on cleveland roster. Bart Scott had a set back year in 07-08. He will regain his pro bowl ways. C-Mac is getting plder, but he is still the 2nd best CB next to champ. T-sizzle also had a set back year. He to will get back to pro bowl form. We also have probly the 3rd best 34 nose tackle in kelly greg. I cant believe he hasent made a PB yet. Also, Notice how our DT and LB have alot of tackles and our DB;s have little. Thats because we dont allow RB to get to the 2nd level like the soft and mushy brownies. Our is old but still better then yalls.
On the QB thing. You know damn well Cleveland fans were praying that troy smith would drafted by them. Just because he’s short does not mean he will suck. He reminds me of a mixture of Drew Brees and David Garred. He has the posie and moblity of DG but, can throw the ball with accuracy like DB. Cleveland QB situation isnt all thet settle. The brownies are wating for one slip up out of DA so they can throw Quinn into the fire. Derek Anderson also makes alot of mistakes. 19 ints last year and dont give me that”He like to take chances down the field” BS! One of those picks cost yall a play-off berth and expect mant more play-offless years!
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on
Jul 11, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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OK, Browns fans are really starting to annoy me...
Here’s what cleveland fans don’t want to admit: They got lucky with Anderson. Not only that, but he’s not as good as they say he is. It took a little while for defences to get the hang of the new Brown’s offense, but when they did, Anderson averaged a 67.27 rating over the last 4 games (including 4 interceptions in the Bengals game). I’m not going to say that Anderson is a bad QB, I think that he’s good (Ozzie drafted him after all), but he’s darn lucky he made the pro bowl last year. Now that defenses have tape on him, the smoke screen has cleared.
Another FACT: we are in the same boat as Cleveland was last year. We have a young OL and are competing our rookie (except we traded down to get ours) against the other QBs on our roster. All of them have talent. They are just not proven… yet. Our defense will stop Cleveland’s offense. All our developing QB will need to do is manage the game and hand off the ball to McGahee.
About our “aging” defense: we are developing young, talented players at every position, and many of our current stars are still young (Suggs, Scott, Ngata, Reed, Landry, Washington) and we have at least two years to draft others to replace our older players (Pryce, Lewis, McAllister). Scott can (and has) easily take Ray’s spot. The only thing our defense really needs (and again we have about two more years with our current [pro-bowl] starters) is another corner. Just because we start some players in their thirties, doesn’t mean we don’t have future plans.
by BAL_Hawk on
Jul 11, 2008 9:41 AM EDT
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Still waiting for a reply to...
...”Here’s what cleveland fans don’t want to admit: They got lucky with Anderson. Not only that, but he’s not as good as they say he is. It took a little while for defences to get the hang of the new Brown’s offense, but when they did, Anderson averaged a 67.27 rating over the last 4 games (including 4 interceptions in the Bengals game). I’m not going to say that Anderson is a bad QB, I think that he’s good (Ozzie drafted him after all), but he’s darn lucky he made the pro bowl last year. Now that defenses have tape on him, the smoke screen has cleared.”
It’s like I said; they don’t want to even talk about it.
by BAL_Hawk on
Jul 12, 2008 5:24 PM EDT
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Oh Balhawk, if I tried to refute every incorrect claim about the Browns you make on here, I’d have to quit my job.
Anderson’s play did deteriorate at the end of the season. One factor was certainly Anderson’s fault, as every sport is about adjustments. However, I laugh whenever someone forgets that the conditions of those games were relevant too. In the last 6 games, Anderson played 3 of them in horrible elements (including the ridiculous Bills snow game, and the Bengals game you mention had 30-40 mph winds… two of his picks came consecutively at the end of the first half, when the Browns coaching staff admitted that they made a mistake going into the two minute drill in such hellacious conditions. Read about it: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=271223004).
Bottom line: they did get lucky with Anderson. As NE got lucky with Brady, PGH got lucky with Parker, etc etc etc. Sometimes you make your own luck (ie, not putting a 23 year old with a rocket arm on the practice squad).
I’ll just end with this, as far as the “get to the playoffs first” argument, here’s a nice little stat: The Browns were just the fifth team in history to miss the postseason after a 10-win year. I understand you want to see it for a second straight year before you believe it. Heck, I even agree with you. But when one looks at the talent on this team, and the fact that virtually every starter is before or in his prime, rationality suggests they’ll be as good, if not better.
See ya on Sept 21. It should be interesting (for about a quarter and a half).
by kwoog on
Jul 12, 2008 9:41 PM EDT
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OK...
“Oh Balhawk, if I tried to refute every incorrect claim about the Browns you make on here, I’d have to quit my job.”
When I stated that “they” don’t want to talk about it, I was talking about Cleveland fans in general… not you. I welcome your arguments, but don’t require them…
by BAL_Hawk on
Jul 13, 2008 12:20 AM EDT
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“C-Mac is getting plder, but he is still the 2nd best CB next to champ.”
Man, that’s the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time. He’s probably not even top 20.
by kwoog on
Jul 11, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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I see what you be doing. You take stats from last year and then u think thats how there going to play the next. C-Mac was injuried! dnt u get it. When he’s health, he is up there with champ. 2006 when C-mac was health, he shut down braylon edwards twice. Is that funny to? It was to me.
FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Benji5203 on
Jul 11, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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Not as funny as when he got burned 78 yards by Edwards last year.
I could cover Braylon with Charlie Frye throwing to him.
by kwoog on
Jul 11, 2008 5:01 PM EDT
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It's a "toss up"...
...between Ed Reed and Sean who? HAHAHA! Wow, you Cleveland fans have taken dreaming to a whole new level. There is no way in heck that Jones is even close to Reed. How many records does Jones hold? Was he ever defensive player of the year? I’m sorry… just… no.
by BAL_Hawk on
Jul 11, 2008 10:00 AM EDT
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They have the right...
...to gloat, after beating us twice last year and having a great season, at least by Cleveland standards. Yes, they also beat us in our home crib, but once again, the injuries as well as the replay killed us, even if the FG was definitely good. However, just try to keep it real, Browns fans. When you put together more than one winning season and maybe even make the post season, then you can talk the type of trash your strewing around the league. Until then, eat some humble pie and acknowledge that you may be better than the Ravens after last year, but the playing field is level until you do it again, and again.
Rexx
by Rexx on Jul 11, 2008 9:46 AM EDT 0 recs
First off let me state for the record I’m a Browns fan.
Now with that out of the way I’d like to commend Rexx, the author of these game by game predictions. Of course it just for fun and ultimately meaningless as we never know who the sleepers will be or who will be injured, but very interesting. Hopefully, I’ll have time to do something similar on DBN. Very cool he took the time do do this.
Regarding this prediction, I find it tough to imagine the Ravens not being swept by the Browns this year. Both Cleveland and the Ravens have one unit that can easily be identified as the weak link of the team. For us, it’s obviously the defense and for you guys, it’s offense.
That being said, I thinks it’s much more likely that Cleveland manages to be at least average in the defensive department than for the Ravens to do the same on offense. Also, when you compare special teams, it’s really no contest at this point. Cleveland has a big edge here, especially with Josh Cribbs and the return game. He single handedly put us in a position to win several games with his returns and was also the leading special teams tackler.
All this taken together makes me think that it’s likely that the Browns sweep the Ravens again this year. Anything can happen though and with your defense you always have a chanceat stealing a game. In my opinion, I think you guys finish somewhere between 5 and 7 wins and battle Cinci for 3rd place with Cleveland and Pittsburgh around 9 to 10 wins. No one in the AFC Central will go deep inthe playoffs. Both Pittsburgh and Cleveland have holes that must be filled before that can happen. Theirs is O lin and ours is the defensive secondary…..... which we will address in nexts years draft and hopefully go to the SB in 2009!
PS. can we keep the tone at least somewhat civil? I’ve never understood why some people turn into tough guys slinging insults when discussing football. None of us are playing in the game on Sunday….......
by mgtbfb on Jul 11, 2008 12:45 PM EDT 0 recs
The secondary might be the Browns’ best starting unit on D, depth notwithstanding.
by kwoog on
Jul 11, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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