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"All game they didn't make plays. One drive they did.''
-- Baltimore middle linebacker Ray Lewis, on the Steelers' 13-play, 92-yard drive in the fourth quarter for the only touchdown in Pittsburgh's 13-9 win over the Ravens -- the first Steelers win in Baltimore in six years.

First, allow me to congratulate Pittsburgh for their win last night. Ray said it best. Pittsburgh made plays when it counted, and they deserved the win. Now, did they deserve to win in the fashion that they did?

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The following quotes are from Peter King's Monday Morning QB:

The most controversial play since ... well, since the Tuck Rule. Last night at NBC, we watched the same four replays Walt Coleman saw at M&T Bank Stadium in Baltimore in the final minute of the Steelers-Ravens game. You've seen it by now: With the ball at the Baltimore four-yard line and the Ravens up 9-6, Ben Roethlisburger scrambled and eventually found Santonio Holmes just over the goal line in the end zone. Holmes caught the pass very close to the goal line, with the ball appearing to be outside the goal line at first look and his feet to be in the end zone. The head lineman, Paul Weidner, standing at the goal line on the far sideline, peered around a player as he tried to see the play, and he ruled the ball did not touch the plane of the goal line. All the ball has to in this case is touch the imaginary plane of the goal line while the player has two feet down. It was agonizingly close, but Weidner ruled the ball should be placed at about the three-inch line.

The key to this play is that the ball was RULED short of the end zone. Everyone knows the "inconclusive evidence" rule in regards to replays. The problem is that not many people (watching the same replays as Walt Coleman) saw it.

When we first saw the replay at NBC on one huge, high-def monitor, it appeared to back the call on the field of no touchdown, or make the call inconclusive. But it became like a Where's Waldo thing. The longer you looked at it, the more you could convince yourself the ball, solidly in Holmes' grasp, did pierce the imaginary plane by a matter of inches. But indisputable? By 10:30 p.m., I bet I'd seen it 25 times. And it was the classic kind of play that, if the linesman had called it a touchdown, I don't think Coleman could have overturned it, and if the linesman had ruled it short, I don't think Coleman could have overturned it. My brethren at NBC -- Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick, Cris Collinsworth and Bob Costas -- thought it was inconclusive. All of them.

I watched some more. I saw Holmes catching the ball, and at the moment of the catch, the absolute moment, it appears the ball is piercing the plane by inches. But is it a lock that the ball crossed the line? No. I watched it a few more times. I don't see it. I see the likelihood of the ball breaking the plane. I do not see the certainty. The replay rule mandates indisputable visual evidence to change a call -- if 20 people are watching a play, they see the same thing. This was not one of those plays.

Football is an unpredictable sport where anything can happen. The replay system's purpose should be to keep the officials from having too much power. If an official makes a blatantly bad call, then the replay should be there to overturn it. However, the ruling on the field should be the Bible, and overturning it should be extremely difficult. It cannot be a "judgment call."

This is the continuing problem with the replay system. I think officials need to realize what "indisputable'' means. It doesn't mean likely, or most likely. We still see calls like this, year after year. I'm sure we'll hear cries to abolish replay in the coming days, which is ridiculous. I just wish the rule would be applied exactly the way it was intended. As, I'm sure, do the fine people of Baltimore this morning. 

Obviously, Steelers fans are less concerned with this issue. A win is a win, and the Steelers earned it. I'm not trying to take that away. The Steelers had the momentum late in the game, but does the likelihood of a Steelers’ victory somehow justify calls in their favor? Absolutely not! Again, football is an unpredictable sport where anything can happen. Shouldn't both teams get a chance to catch a break? Isn't that the beauty of football?

 

This is pointless "whining" in regards to the game last night. Last night's game isn't my point. I believe that the Steelers had the upper-hand in the game last night. If they hadn't gotten the TD, they probably would have gone for the TD on fourth-down or scored in OT. These are all true statements. However, wouldn't everyone (including Raven's fans) feel better if they had gotten the TD on fourth-down? No one was "whining" when the Ravens lost to the Steelers in OT. It was an excellent, decisive victory. Controversial, overturned calls cheapen the game. Let's play football!

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As far as I see it it was a touchdown that was originally called incorectly. That said I’m not sure that their was conclusive evidence that it was a touchdown. A moot point now but still a big game changing play. Add another to the column of WTF officiating this season.

by archon095 on Dec 15, 2008 12:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not only game changing...

PLAYOFF CHANGING.

And people who say that the Ravens shouldn’t have put them self in that position… there was another team on the field. They played just as hard as the Ravens did… and they’re a DAMN good football team. The fact is the game pretty much came down to that one play and it SHOULD NOT BE DECIDED by a zebra under a hood… especially when you won’t find a room full of people anywhere who completely agree on that call. Therefore it wasn’t indisputable.

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Dec 15, 2008 12:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its still Fabians fault... ill be saying this all week

Anyone know if he’ll be playing agianst Dallas btw?

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Dec 15, 2008 1:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not even game changing...

What was GAME CHANGING was the Ravens’ inability to score with the ball at midfield, :43 left, and 2 timeouts. And the Ravens stalling at the ten in the 2nd qtr. And the 8 in the 2nd qtr. And the 10 again in the 3rd qtr. You can play what if games either way all day long, but games aren’t decided by 1 play, and neither are playoffs.

by The IC Lion on Dec 16, 2008 11:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

by saying all that you take any credit from the Steelers

Again, there was another football on the field. They stopped the Ravens all those times or the Ravens couldn’t do anything. Either way, the fact is, the game came down to that one play (and possibly the 3rd and 1 that the Steelers didn’t get but was ruled a 1st down anyway-that call was more clearly wrong on the field than the TD), and it was blown, and in the end was the difference in the game, and very likely the AFC Playoffs.

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Dec 16, 2008 11:52 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not taking any credit away from the Steelers

At least that wasn’t my intention. I’m trying to say that the TD wasn’t the only play that decided the game, it was one of a number of plays that decided the game (add the fact that Leonhard couldn’t beat a 36 yr old punter for a TD). So to say that one call was PLAYOFF CHANGING is wrong.

Adding the 3rd and 1 play only weakens your argument. How can you say that a game was decided on a play 4 minutes into the 2nd quarter that led to a game-tieing drive to make it 3-3?

by The IC Lion on Dec 16, 2008 12:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how can you say it didn't.

You just weakened YOUR argument. Apparently that play didn’t have any effect on the outcome of the game? The mere fact that it helped to put points on the board could have decided the game. Pittsburgh doesn’t get those 3 points who knows how the rest of the game would have played out? The fact that the game played out the way it did up until that point (of the TD) is why both teams were put in that position… so YES, that one play pretty much decided the outcome of the game. Sure, if the delay of game would have been called instead of the offsides on Bart Scott maybe the game would have played out differently… sure, maybe if the hold on harrison would have been called the game may have played out differently. But since the game was played to the point that it was made that one call the deciding factor.

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Dec 16, 2008 1:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Enough is enough

We lost, they won, it’s over. Now let’s focus on disappointing the Cowboys’ fans!

Rexx

by Rexx on Dec 16, 2008 1:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no offense Rexx

but I don’t need to focus on the Cowboys. The Ravens need to focus on the Cowboys.

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Dec 16, 2008 1:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also known as "No More Tears"

1979 duet by Donna Summer & Barbara Streisand. Thank god I didn’tknow this and had to google it. That would be sickening.

Rexx

by Rexx on Dec 16, 2008 7:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

didn’t Ozzie have his own No More Tears…I always knew he wanted to be like Donna and Barbara.

by raven on Dec 17, 2008 12:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we had 92 yards to change this game and Ray and the D failed again. they make great bridesmaids.

by raven on Dec 15, 2008 1:41 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

read any of my comments on Fabian

its his EFFin fault… PUnk ass left the game with his BS hamstring injury. He’d been playing Shut Down all game, soon as he left the game you saw Big Ben’s eyes light up… then a 92 yard drive…

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Dec 15, 2008 1:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’m not so certain even with Fabian in Rexx doesn’t call off the dogs and go prevent. he does it every time whether before halftime or at the end of games.

by raven on Dec 15, 2008 3:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again...

…this isn’t the about the loss. We all admit that the Ravens probably would have lost, regardless of the TD call. The Steelers were outplaying our defense hands-down, but "does the likelihood of a Steelers’ victory somehow justify calls in their favor?"

by BAL_Hawk on Dec 15, 2008 1:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes. all calls need to go to Pitt’s way. Congress figured that they need to ask the steel workers union to take $8/hr pay cuts in light of the auto industries problems. in order to soften the blow GW inacted the Pig Iron law which allows for “simple pleasures” in the Alleghany region. One of the stipulations is that all Steeler’s games be “officiated with the utmost contempt for their opponent.” Crazy I know but what can we do….

by raven on Dec 16, 2008 4:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha! Your comments always seem to make me laugh-out-loud. Excellent.

by BAL_Hawk on Dec 17, 2008 12:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at the end of the day..thats all we have. to laugh a little…so yeah kid, keep on laughing, laugh out loud and dream the impossible dream. (see, i can do sinatra too)

by raven on Dec 22, 2008 11:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NFL Rules

As much as I wish ya’ll had a leg to stand on because I know its hard to lose a game like that. But I looked at the NFL rules regarding a touchdown and well I found that the ball doesn’t have to cross the plain at all. As long as you catch the ball while you are in the endzone, I guess they consider you apart of the ball. Here is the link so you can’t say that I am lying.

 TOUCHDOWN = 6 POINTS

A touchdown is the biggest single score in a football game. It is worth six points, and it allows the scoring team an opportunity to attempt to get an extra point. To score a touchdown, the ball must be carried across the goal line into the end zone, caught in the end zone, or a fumble recovered in the end zone, or an untouched kickoff recovered in the end zone by the kicking team.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/beginnersguidetofootball

Notice how it says caught in the endzone without any mention of where the ball is. So since Holmes was in the endzone and caught the ball, it is a touchdown. I know what the media says but they get paid to stir up drama. The truth is by rule, whether the ball crossed the plain or not it was still a touchdown. But I personally think when he initially caught the ball it broke the plain but I may be bias, but it doesn’t matter because by these rules that I just got from nfl.com it doesn’t need to. You just need to catch it while in the endzone.

by tannofsteel84 on Dec 15, 2008 3:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHAT!!!
Notice how it says caught in the endzone without any mention of where the ball is.

Ok, and you say this before it?

the ball must be carried across the goal line into the end zone

THE BALL HAS TO CROSS THE GOAL LINE! What are you talking about it doesnt mention where it has to be? You posted the rule where it says it right there!

You have to hate losing more than you love winning

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 15, 2008 4:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it has to carried across the goal line into the end zone if you are running it, that is the other way to score.

in the current situation we are talking about, you just have to catch the ball while you are IN THE END ZONE, it doesn’t state where the ball is because it doesn’t matter as long as you have possession of the ball and in the end zone, on or behind the goal line.

by Bleed-Black&Gold on Dec 15, 2008 5:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they need to go Australian Rules football where you have to down the ball in the end zone. or, screw the ball altogether and allow for any body part to touch the end zone. we’ll have plays where the quarterback sticks the ball between the running back’s ankles and the running back reaches across with his finger. In! Touchdown. I think this rule is already in effect along the Monogahela (indian for Cross the plains).

by raven on Dec 16, 2008 5:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

caught IN THE end zone “IN THE” lol….screw it..we just don’t win games like this. it’s our M.O.

by raven on Dec 15, 2008 4:37 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Either way, the ball MUST break the plane!

According to the official, it did. Case closed. Although the part about "inconclusive evidence" has me miffed and we all know that if the Ravens had scored, it would’ve been placed on the one foot line

Rexx

by Rexx on Dec 15, 2008 5:37 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steelers Fan Here

And I’ll begin by saying I hate it whenever a game ends on a call. Regardless of the call. I much prefer a game to end on a play. Even though the clock wasn’t on 0 after the TD, it was close enough to ask a little bit much of a rookie QB, no matter how good he’s been.

My opinion is almost identical: that it was in fact a touchdown, but the call on the field is the call that sticks unless replay shows indisputable visual evidence. If we’re all still talking about it, it’s not indisputable. Though of course during the replay I was yelling at my television for a touchdown … as you would be were the situation reversed.

It will balance itself out somewhere down the line for you. Like with the tuck rule. The first time that call happens, we all shit ourselves … but a few seasons later that same call ends up helping your team when it needs it. Not much consolation now, but it’s how these things play out.

I’m impressed with how well the Ravens are doing this year, and I really don’t want the Steelers to face them again in the postseason. As a Pittsburgh native (now many years removed) I’m still upset that Pitt (University) had Flacco on the bench and let him walk. My hatred for the Ravens is there during the games, but I’m a fan of the whole game. And I feel the game as a whole is much, much better when there are actual challenges from within the division. The fewer gimmies and jokes there are, the better the sport as a whole becomes. When it comes right down to it, wouldn’t you rather watch the Ravens play the Steelers than the Bengals? The guaranteed W just isn’t nearly as exciting as an earned one.

Oh well. If we don’t cross paths in the playoffs, we’ll see you again next year. Good luck!

by Fahey on Dec 15, 2008 6:44 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true..i would rather watch us battle a good team neck and neck each week rather than beating up on Ohio. from that perspective it was time well spent.

by raven on Dec 15, 2008 9:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’ll add that Fahey is a good B-more name. We have Fahey at shortstop for the O’s and Rob Fahey of the the 1980’s band- Ravens (Raised On The Radio fame) : )

by raven on Dec 15, 2008 9:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OFFICIAL REVIEW CONFIRMS IT

there was indisputable evidence (to the head referee and Mike Peirara) that the ball crossed the plane. Look it up on NFL.COM

CASE CLOSED

Good Win Today though! You guys looked scary good tonight but then again, that wasn’t the number one defense out there. Hard to see anyone beating you now though! Hopefully the jets will lose and you guys have to go to New England because I just don’t see Brett Favre and Mangini beating your D. Hopefully Bellichek can record your practice sessions and get Cassel ready so they can beat you guys at Home!

Good Luck!

by Bleed-Black&Gold on Dec 21, 2008 1:10 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Time to move on

we did with our win, not leaving it to the refs this time. you need to focus on Tennessee. Enough of the ball breaking the plane!

Rexx

by Rexx on Dec 21, 2008 8:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey, did anyone see that pass right at the endzone where it looked out/in and they reviewed it and pitt won?

by raven on Dec 22, 2008 11:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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