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This has been intriguing me since I figured it out when looking at game stats on the NFL Network this past Sunday. I believe it was the first time in NFL history in the Bears-Lions game when both starting QB's last names started with an "O" (Orton, Orlovsky). Pretty sharp of me, eh?
The Titans are now 8-0, and if you didn't think they were for real a few weeks ago, you'd better wake up. They're looking like a purple team about eight years ago that played great defense, ran the ball real good and passed good enough. They might not be flashy, but neither were we. The even better news is that this year's Ravens is beginning to give me the same feeling. Remember, offense wins highlights, defense wins championships!
As I said in comments on one of the FanShots, the Redskins found out what good, hard hitting defense actually feels like. The NFC East may be highly overrated. Yeah, Dallas may be America's Team, but lately they've been their opponents' bitches! Teams that have to face the AFC North's top two teams (Pittsburgh, Baltimore) are finding out what a huge difference it is to have to go up against the top two defenses in the league. Both teams are worlds above the others in how hard we hit and how solid our defenses are, especially against the run. They can't practice for it, and their other games are no comparison for the pain we bring.
The Raiders may have to take the mantle as the NFL's worst team from the Lions, even though they've actually won a couple of games. Detroit may be winless, but they stay in some of their games lately, while the Raiders have sunk to new lows with their shutout loss at home to the Falcons. Atlanta is greatly improved and most likely, due to his higher profile and draft status, Matt Ryan is on his way to the NFL Rookie-of-the-Year. The Ravens Joe Flacco is giving him a run for his money, but our defense will overshadow Flacco and if the Falcons continue to do well, Ryan will certainly have the edge.
The Miami Dolphins continue to confuse me. They go out and take down the Bills and Broncos in successive weeks after laying an egg to the Ravens. Perhaps our defense is actually as good as they say. I was in Miami and the media, fans and players all said how overwhelming our "D" was. Speaking of the Broncos, wow, the winner of that division may actually take the crown with a 8-8 record. Take a look at the standings and see Denver on top, playing .500 ball and horrible defense. The Chargers haven't shown me any indication that they are going to get significantly better, and the Chiefs and Raiders, well, nevermind.
Personally, I still can't imagine a playoff scenerio without the Indianapolis Colts in the mix. Yeah, they're just 4-4, but something tells me they'll get healthy and find a way to make it in. However, it will have to be as a Wild Card, as they are just a speck in the Titans rear view mirror. Surprisingly, Jacksonville may be one of the NFL's biggest disappointments with their 3-5 record. The Ravens go to Houston next week and while they are tied for the division basement, they play much better at home (3-1) than they do on the road (0-4) and even with QB Matt Schaub IR'd, I'm still concerned about Sage Rosenfels throwing to Andre Johnson, who may be the best receiver in the league right now.
I still see the NY Giants as the top team in the league, and, please don't slam me, the Steelers are next on my list of power rankings. The league has more parity this season than any I can remember. There are so many good teams, but few great teams. In the past we always had the Pats and Colts way up there, followed by the other better teams. But now, each Sunday there are more upsets and beat downs than ever before. That's what's so good about the salary cap (or bad, if you don't like this parity thing).
Over in the NFC South, there are four decent teams, with Carolina looking the best. However, Tampa Bay, New Orleans and Atlanta will all beat up on each other as they all might finish at .500 or better. On the other hand the NFC West will struggle to have a team that finishes above .500 this season. What is it with the league's west coast teams that makes it so hard to come east and win on a regular basis? Both the AFC West and NFC West are their respective conferences sorriest from top to bottom.
The Bear, Vikings and Packers will continue to beat up on each other, and on the Detroit Lions as well. Sooner than later, the Lions will pull one out and screw up a perfect season. Perhaps they'll even take another receiver with the first pick in the NFL draft next April (Texas Tech's Michael Crabtree?)! The Bears are back to Rex Grossman at QB and while Kyle Orton was doing pretty decent, their defense is not anywhere close to the Monsters of Midway of the past. If you ask me, Brian Uhrlacher never could have carried Ray Lewis' jock, even during his better days. Aaron Rodgers was rewarded with a contract extension in Green Bay and will finish the season looking like an upgrade over Brett Favre, who looks to be returning more to 2006's form than 2007's.
That's my take on what's hot topics around the NFL. Post your comments on my opinions and add yours below. Thanks!
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Great Points...
That is true about the NFC East, they are overrated. The only reason people say they are the best division in football is cause they have the superbowl champs and the cowboys. But look at the cowboys, supposed to be the 16-0 world champs this year, but they are 5-3 and are starting to cry. Washington may have the worst pass rush in the NFL, and they cannot handle a blitzing defense, 7 sacks last night. They will be made fools of in M&T.
The raiders really are the worst team int he NFL for sure. The Falcons controlled the clock for over 45 MINUTES! AND THEY WERE HELD TO 77 TOTAL NET YARDS!!!!! HOLY SHIT! Dont believe it, cause I didnt want to, but look! That is just sad man. The Lions and Bengals at least show some spark in their offenses with some very talented WR’s.
Titans are incredible, and I love that they dont get talked about that much. At this time last year, 10 minutes did not go by on ESPN or NFL Network where we didnt see Tom Brady’s face and the rest of the Pats. Pats lost that superbowl because of the pressure they had on them to be the greatest team ever. Titans have barely any or NONE on them to be great, because they win in a boring way, just like our Ravens. They Destroy offenses with their defense, force them to field goals, run the ball very well, kick field goals, some tds by rushing, and have a mediocre old QB.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 4, 2008 11:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
My Brother In Law
lives out in San Jose and sent me an email that I thought was a joke at first. Apparently rumors are starting out there that Al Davis is interested in Michael Vick being the Raiders answer to their problems. I guess if there is one franchise he could have a chance to play for, it would be Oakland but Jesus Christ…that would be a mess. If the did do that, Oakland would have to be on “Hardknocks” that year!!!
"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."
by UMBC Oriole fan on Nov 4, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forget Hard Knocks
Al Davis needs his own reality show NOW. What a nut job….
by DT711 on Nov 4, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To make it even better
Surround him with hot chicks like Hugh Hefner.
"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."
by UMBC Oriole fan on Nov 4, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Titans are really good, but they are not as good as everyone thinks they are. They’re defense is not as good as the 2000 Ravens, although their offense is better. I don’t think they’ll go undefeated, but they are a very good team and I hope they beat the crap out of the Steelers.
On your note about the Ravens and Steelers defenses, footballoutsiders strongly feel that we and the Steelers and the Titans are the three best teams in the AFC. Crazy.
The Dolphins are actually good. I mean, Joey Porter is having a monster season, although I still hate him. Chad Pennington is being well-protected and is one of the best QBs in the NFL, and still painfully overrated. The Dolphins have so far beaten the Patriots, Bills, Chargers, and Broncos and lost to the Ravens, Texans, Jets and Cardinals. They still get to play the Patriots, Jets, and Bills once more, along with the Rams, 49ers, Seahawks, Raiders and Chiefs. They could be a 10-6 playoff team. That is stunning. It definitely reflects well on the Ravens that we were able to beat them, and the game was probably closer than the score suggested.
The Ravens road to the playoffs is really really hard. I think we have to win the non-NFC games. All of them. Beat the Steelers, Texans, Bengals, and Jaguars. That’s the order from most difficult to least. It’s crazy to be at 5-3 and have 4 games be must wins, but we have to beat the teams we are supposed to, and the Texans, Bengals and Jags fall into that category. We are going to need the Divisonal record to break tie-breakers, so beating Pittsburgh is a must. After that, we’ll still need one of the NFC East game. The Redskins, Eagles and Cowboys are all possibilities. I wouldn’t place high probability on beating the Giants in their own stadium.
by math_geek on Nov 4, 2008 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
2 things I think we can agree on
1) Having running teams with great defenses beat up on “west-coast” style teams is awesome. Having teams built like ours are succeed is a great thing to watch. People get bored watching our teams play because they are so intent on watching the offense – when I watched the ravens vs. browns I spent most of my time watching the defenses. Watching the ravens LBs is very entertaining, but I guess you have to like something besides 300 yard passing games to enjoy that.
2) Having the AFC north look decent is a good thing. Hey, I want the steelers to win the division, I want the ravens to not be in the playoffs. But getting into the playoffs because the rest of your division is a joke is lame. It’s nice to see some competition, and if the AFC north finishes with some solid records I’ll be very happy.
by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You touched on something
I think both Steeler and Raven fans tend not to think about. What I mean is that having two utterly dysfunctional organizations in the Division really tends to hurt both of our teams. Not only does it make Raven and Steeler Victories over the Ohio teams look weak, a lack of competition to get to the playoffs isn’t healthy long term.
"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."
by UMBC Oriole fan on Nov 4, 2008 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, competition makes injuries more possible but also toughens the teams. Last year the steelers went to the playoffs on 10-6 with mostly creampuff victories. We got hosed in the first round, our team was not going to make the SB last year – no way in hell. They just weren’t that good, and the schedule let them get by.
This year all AFC North teams are going to get tested, but mostly not by our own division. If long-term our teams lack sufficient competition I think our rate of growth will be slowed, and the tough competition will be even tougher due to the lack of practice.
Rexx can say what he wants about the NFC East, but the bottom line is that compared to the other divisions they are very, very solid. They have four teams with good records and the division has big wins over just about every team in the league. The division has been pretty tough for years, and out of it came last years champs. Clearly they are also in the running again this year.
by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
That we in the AFC North, and I am talking about the two teams that actually function as professions, match up very well against the NFC East. Even though I do not like the Steelers, watching the Redskins game proved to me that the Ravens should do well against that conference, seeing as how similar the Ravens and Steelers are and how similar the Redskins are to the Giants and Eagles. One of the things that drive our fantastic rivalry is the fact that both teams and fans enjoy the same style of smash mouth, dominant defensive battles. We hate each other because we are so alike. Sort of like when its the holidays and my mom throws a whiskey bottle across the Thanksgiving table at my head. Its funny when you think about it, just how similar both teams are in both their mindset and operation as organizations.
"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."
by UMBC Oriole fan on Nov 4, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that we stacked up well against the redskins – very well, and you guys do to. You also stack up well against the giants, maybe better than us because of your offensive line. I don’t think you can lump the eagles in with them though – they do not rely on the run nearly as much and have a defensive strategy that makes running the up the gut difficult while they’re blitzing. At face value I think the eagles will give you the most trouble, but you guys know your team better than I so I might be missing something.
by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't Wait
to get the Redskins in here. Also looking forward to see how we stack up against McNabb, Westbrook and the Eagles. Game at Meadowlands against NY Giants will be a war, but I’m not optimistic about the outcome, although we will give them a beating. Would love to close Dallas’ stadium with a win there, huh?
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 4, 2008 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Few things..
I am afraid that Brandon Jacobs is going to get the ball, there will be an open hole, and the only man in that hole will be Ray Lewis, and Jacobs lowers the shoulder, and knocks ray on his ass. If that happens, it will be the most coverage the Ravens get all season on ESPN. But, it wont happen so I am not worried.
Redskins look very easy to beat, pressure them and stop the run, and its over, which we will do. Eagles is going to be fun guys, that is a great football team, and McNabb has always been one of my favorite QB’s to watch. I hate to say, but I think Westbrook will be the first 100 yard rusher against us, and the only reason I say that is because I can see him just getting 2-3 good blocks and takes a carry 60+ yards. Of course, no RB will ever get 100 on us by averaging 7-8 yards a carry, but one big play and they will get 100. And forget the steelers, your not coming in here and winning, bet on that, AND I STILL WISH YELLOW FEVER ON ALL OF YOU! Dallas, we can beat them, We should be healthy in the 2ndary by then.
We got this boys, but I still am afraid that 10-6 might not make the wild card. Colts, Bills, Pats, Jets, who knows, all could make an impact and get to 10-6. I mean, we got 4 more home games that we MUST WIN. And there are 2 very winnable road games at Houston and CInci. This season could end at 11-5 or us, or it could end 7-9, 8-8. But like I love to say….
LETS GO!
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 4, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Take it back man
Ray is going to steal Jacob’s lunch money. Big plodding backs have less success against the Ravens then quicker backs, who have little success to begin with.
Westbrook will not get 100 yards on the ground. He might get 150 total yards, but he will get a large percentage of his gains on screens and dump offs.
I love Marion Barber’s running style, but he is going to get punished vs. the Ravens. His style constantly challenges the D to make big collisions at the point of impact. While Barber is a beast, and wins most of these battles at the point of impact, they are coming against the average NFL D. We all know the average NFL D is in now way comparable to the Ravens. I think he’ll be spending a few days in the ice tub after the game.
I’m more worried about Portis, to be honest. I think he has the best chance to get 100 yards against us, but it is still unlikely. He is a workhorse and is well rounded enough to beat you in multiple ways. My guess is he gets 70.
I’m confident that the D can keep the streak alive until 2009.
by DT711 on Nov 4, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am confident to
I dont think any back in this league will get 100 on us, but if its going to be anyone, I can see Westbrook doing it. Again, the only way a back will get 100 on us is if he breaks a 60-70 yarder, thats it, and if there is a guy who can do it, I think it is Westbrook, BUT I TAKE IT BACK! Sorry, didnt mean for it to come out that way. I think we will keep the streak alive till Ray Retires or if Ngata cant play a game.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 4, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Steelers and Titans = Trouble
The Titans are a solid 8-0. Their not winning by 1 big play or zipping deep balls around, their winning by running the ball. Unfortunatly, they have 2 backs that can grind it out and break long runs. It’s like the way the Roman army moved..packed tight together with shields touching. They will be tough to bust open…(even though we did ; )
The Steelers just flat out show up for big games. They may split with us but when the lights get flipped on, their juiced. Their defense crushed a very good Skins O which had unbelievable field position. They even managed to overload the line and block a punt…first one ever against that kicker. They moved the ball well with a 2nd string QB and 3rd string running back. Ward again came through with huge 3rd down catches..and had a few smiles for the end zone fans (all Steeler fans for sure-shame on Skins fans for being run out of their seats again). Their defense gets penetration without getting their DB’s exposed. Wish we could do that.
Weaknesses-
Titans star back might not be able to take a 16 game beating with his size- I hope. One bad hit on Collins puts them in a huge bind. They play every game so close to the vest they are bound to loose a few to bad and good teams. One bad call (which they don’t get), a turnover or a big play could beat them. Like the 2000 Raven’s, everything has to go just right. There are no 14 point victories. But, if they remain solid and with home field advantage..their in the AFC Championship game easily. After seeing the Skins fall bad to Pitt., the Giants just as bad to Cleveland I’m not sure the NFC can overcome the AFC defensive line play.
The Steelers are slowy running out of bullets. The Rothlesberger is beat up and I’m not sure he will be able to fully over come his shoulder injury this year. Very smart to have picked up a vet QB as back up. They are still beat up at running back and Ward is the only true 3rd down threat they have outside of dumping to Parker. They are literally playing off smarts (except the opening on-side kickoff) and a great D line. Not sure if they can truly come back on teams without turnovers.
by raven on Nov 4, 2008 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Roethlisberger
Not willing to bet the house, but the pickup of Byron Leftwich looks huge for them. He is another big veteran QB who could probably step in a do just as well as Ben.
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 4, 2008 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But..
After seeing the Skins fall bad to Pitt., the Giants just as bad to Cleveland I’m not sure the NFC can overcome the AFC defensive line play.
The Giants beat the Steelers at Pittsburgh. Eli was able to move the ball on the “best defense” in the NFL. Cleveland just had a few things going for them against NYG, and we showed the rest of the NFL why Cleveland is a joke. Yes, the Steelers have the toughest schedule in the NFL, but their next 5 games against Indi, SD, Cinci, NE, Dallas, all but the New Engalnd game is at Heinz Field. I honestly do not see the Steelers losing the next 5 games.
As much as I would love to see Manning torch that overrated secondary, LT juke their PRO BOWL long snapper, James Harrison, Ochenta Cinco (Which is really 85) talk smack and back it up, Moss kill on the bombs and TO run his mouth out of Pitt with a victory, I just dont see it happening. They have 5 of their next 8 games at home, which they can win them all, its one of the hardest places to win football games. Their Pass Rush is incredible, I do not know why the Ravens cant pass rush like they do and get to the QB like they do, we have just as good talented Line Backers and Def Ends as they do if not better (Definitely Better).
Again, I would 100% love to see Pitt fail miserably, but they play with such intelligence that it is almost looking hard for them to lose. The only games I see Pitt losing this 2nd half of the season is to Tenn and Us. Leaving them with a 12-4 record.
PLEASE BEATDOWN, TELL ME IM WRONG, I CANT BELIEVE I GAVE CREDIT TO THE STEELERS, IM FALLING APART!
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 4, 2008 3:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What happened to you!?
Where is the Mr MaLor that I knew and loved. He bled purple and hated the Steelers. Now he’s giving fair minded genuine props to the Steel City. Next thing I know you’ll dump Natty Boh for Iron City Light!
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 4, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"The Giants beat the Steelers at Pittsburgh. Eli was able to move the ball on the "best defense" in the NFL. "
I can’t deny that the giants moved the ball on the steelers more than any other team for a grand total of 284 yards. I mean, they are no cleveland browns that moved the ball 274 against the ravens, but the giants offense is almost average. But if that is “moving the ball” then I guess the steelers will have to take it. Clearly though the steelers D is not the “best defense” in the NFL though. In fact, I’ll let you in on a secret, they pretty much suck.
by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Outside LB's
I think it might be tough to say that our outside LB’s are better than the Steelers duo of James Harrison and Lamar Woodley. Bart Scott has been average the past year or so, and obviously misses the attention given to both Ray and Adalius that freed him up. Also JJ is a pretty tough guy, but I’d still take either of the Steers outside LB’s over him and Bart as well. At MLB there’s not even anything there to be worthy of discussion. Ray rules again,…and forever. Sign him, give him whatever he wants. He must end his career as a Ravens.
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 5, 2008 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im still here, just a little scared
I dont know what came about me. I watched the game last night rooting for a Redskins team almost as hard as a I root for our boys. I had hope in the beginning with a quick 6-0 lead, then everything fell apart. As much as I hate the Steelers and would spit on the coffins at their funerals, I watched the game in amazement of how good they really can play. They beat a very well rounded Redskins team with freaking Byron Ice Cream Sandwich. I just could not get over how fast and hostile their defense is. They won a game on MNF on the road, and head back home for 3 straight games. I do not know who I want to root for in the next game as well!
The steelers host the colts, which is a team in the wild card hunt along with us, and if we tie them at the end of the season, guess who has the edge. On the other hand, we are 1 game behind Pittsburgh in the AFC North and need them to lose to try and get this Division, but with that pass rush they have, I dont even think Jesus Christ could have a good game. IM SORRY IM SORRY IM SORRY!
I love the way we are playing right now, and we all know here that we could be 7-1 right now. Even though the Steelers started the season with the toughest schedule in the NFL, I still feel that we have a tougher 2nd half then they do, due to the fact that most of the good teams they face at Heinz Field. Sorry guys, I have been couped up in this library studying Economics since 11 am, its not 5 pm, just going a little insane.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 4, 2008 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I take back my sarcasm from earlier.
I just honestly don’t know what’s to hate about the steelers – they’re a lovable little team of candy and teddy bears. I certainly don’t hate the ravens – mendenhall might, but I don’t. They’re a good team to watch even when I’m rooting against them, and the team gets zero spotlight because it just plays solid football instead of having pretty-boy romo. Flacco also seems to be a pretty awesome pick. I’m not looking forward to seeing PIT vs BAL when you have a competent offense. And that’s not a knock, our offense is completely miserable too. It happens.
by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well.....
Cleveland was able to move the ball, at times, on us because we are missing 3 starters in the secondary! Do you think if Palamalalalalalu was out and who ever your 2 corners are were out, eli might have been able to but 350 up on you guys. If or when we get Cmac and Rolle back, this shit wont happen. But for now, we are playing great defense without 4 starters. I put Best Defense in Quotes because its just a name you guys have right now. You are better at better aspects of defense then we are hence blitzing and getting to the QB, the Ravens wouldnt let a 2 ton elephant get over 75 yards rushing on us. We will settle all this when you make the trip to M&T.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 4, 2008 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I still hate the steelers! I hope Heinz Ward gets denchers by the end of the season.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 4, 2008 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Denchers!?
Crack me up, MaLoR. You slay me. Try dentures!
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 5, 2008 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have no idea what you are talking about if you think our defense has not been hit with injuries this year.
It’s no excuse. The steelers don’t use it as one, and you shouldn’t either.
by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
…That our rookie led team is being mentioned in the same sentence with a veteran Steelers team and veteran led Titans team at this point in the year is telling of our future..out of all of these teams it’s good to be a Raven.
by raven on Nov 4, 2008 8:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I do hear the rookie QBs can take defensive teams pretty far, maybe even 15-1 or something crazy like that. I’m trying to think of another example in the AFC north that happened in the past few years.
by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...was he a big guy from a small conference school?
Gee, that sounds familiar. Wonder how he got his start? Did another team knock out the starter and give him his chance? Wonder who that team was? Hmmm…
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 5, 2008 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please go back to the steel curtain....
You are not needed here anymore until the week prior to December 14th.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 4, 2008 10:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do you not like people calling you out on your BS? I got ya.
by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Grow up
What BS??? I stated something about our secondary being banged up and IF your secondary was not playing at the moment like ours, you most likely would not have the same success you are having. The only one in your secondary that did not play last night was Clark. We are missing Cmac, Rolle, and Landry, and still are holding off teams from going pass happy on us. Like I said, we will handle this on December 14th, you are the exact reason why I wish terrible things on the steelers, again, I will not get into detail, but one thing involves an airplane and Heinz Field. Get outta here
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 4, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McFadden is our starting CB this year and was also not starting, so 2 of our backs were out. This year we have also missed our starting NT and DE for 3 games and still somehow managed to stop the run. Don’t get me started on the offensive side of the ball. Injuries happen – using them as an excuse, just like ref calls, just makes you look bad.
For an amusing but not very good read, the top 10 injured teams: http://tinyurl.com/5hh5gy
by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now now, boys
While I truly hate the Steelers, you’ve got to respect their ability to win without injured starters, as they have been hit as hard or harder by the injury bug than us. However, they still win the tough games and you don’t hear them complain or make excuses, even though it’s easy to see how their deficient in some areas due to the injuries. Hopefully, our offense will continue to put up enough points to cover our defensive secondary weaknesses.
Steelguy99, you’re welcome to post here anytime, we don’t want to treat you the way the Cleveland fans on their site treated us. Right guys?
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 5, 2008 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I already got a warning from the Cleveland website.
I said 3-13, here you come. Sorry if I disobeyed your orders king Rexx of not posting, but I did wait 24 hours after we took a hot one right in the dog house. Is there anyway I can just leave that website for good, I do not want to be affiliated with Browns who wear Orange Helmets.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 5, 2008 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if only Rufflesberger didn’t help tackle that dude who picked up Bettis’s fumble on the goal line…damn
by raven on Nov 4, 2008 10:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That was the year after 15-1, but I can’t guarantee I’ll remember all of Flacco’s beginning years.
by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
all the Steeler hype and 1 championship since the Swann era….wow.
by raven on Nov 4, 2008 10:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to two SBs ever?
Look, both of our teams have a long way to go before they’ll make let alone with the SB.
by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This league is about what can you do for me now
Baltimore won championships in the past. What is your point. I dont care if it was a team that was moved to Indi, we have our Ravens now, but the CITY OF BALTIMORE won those championships. We got ours after being in the league for 5 years. WITH THE GREATEST DEFENSE OF ALL TIME! Yea, go ahead and argue that, **** your silk curtain of the 70’s, you did it with 4 hall of fame offensive players who won you many of the games and kept your defense off the field. WE WON WITH OUR DEFENSE, allowing 165 points that season, thats almost 10 points a game with 4 shutouts. GO HOME PLEASE!
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 4, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1) It’s not like your team just magically appeared. It came from somewhere. The browns are a very old team.
2) If the league is about “what can you do for me now” then why are you bringing up your defense from 8 years ago?
3) The 2000 ravens defense was amazing – arguably best ever, not worst than 2nd best to be sure.
4) Make fun of the silk curtain all you want – 1976 steelers: 9.9 points a game, 5 shutouts.
Why would I go home with all of this intelligent conversation to be had? I’m here to talk football just like everyone else. Why don’t we stop trading jabs and actually talk about football? If you can’t stand another fan chiming in with his opinion/factual information then Rexx can tell me to go away, but besides my obvious bias I think I add at least slightly to the conversation. Besides, math_geek will call me on my crap if I overstep my bounds.
by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, you get me heated.
Steelers and Ravens in the same sentence brings fire to my eyes. I just found out that Obama is my president, so I am happier now. Good luck Steelguy, great team you got up there in PA.
I just cannot stand Pitt, they are my arch rival, I think we are better then them, they think they are better then us, it just gets to me very fast.
You have a very good team, calm Quarterback, and play tough football.
But I am not sorry for what I said, I mean it, and it is just the type of Fan that I am.
Like Ive said, we can and will handle this matter on Dec. 14.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 4, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There, that's much better
Calmer heads prevailed. Ravens defense of 2000-01 was much better than this one. We wouldn’t win any game that we didn’t score a TD in, while that squad won 2 of 5. The Steelers of the ’70’s were the best team in NFL history in my opinion and those games against the Raiders in the playoffs and Cowboys in the Super Bowls were incredible.
But, ah yes, that was in the past and now we still have one more game to settle it between us. I have a hard time seeing two teams from the AFC North making the playoffs, so we will need help from the other teams to catch the Steelers. I don’t know if we will, be we certainly can if the cards fall our way. So now, we have to root harder for two teams: the Ravens and whomever’s playing Pittsburgh!
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 5, 2008 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I always find
comparing teams from different eras to be dubious at best. The shear increase in the complexity of the game from just 10 years ago is mind boggling. Look how Al Davis still tries to operate his organization with the same mindset as he did in the 70’s. Plus, I honestly believe that players today are much better athletes. You never really see a coach leave the game and then come back with a lot of success.
"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."
by UMBC Oriole fan on Nov 5, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, math_geek will call me on my crap if I overstep my bounds.
I would be really bad at that job. Correcting factual errors is easy, but boundaries. I don’t understand that stuff.
I never really got into the division rival thing. I have no idea why. I mean, I like it when divison rivals lose in the regular season, but it’s not as big of a deal come playoff time. Joey Porter’s gone. When Hines Ward retires there may literally be nothing left to hate about the Steelers. Weird.
Anyway, I made an injury comparison between the Ravens and Steelers below.
by math_geek on Nov 5, 2008 2:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’ll have to wait before i go any further..i’m a fair blogger and at this point it’s Steelers 1 Ravens 0…and your in first. still hate your team though…because their good and your fans move in on teams i.e Skins…man that’s hard to be objective..it keeps things sane.
by raven on Nov 4, 2008 10:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Injuries between Ravens and Steelers
I think the Ravens have probably had more injuries than the Steelers, since this is what the major contention has been about.
Consider
Steelers – Bryan McFadden CB, and Clark S in the secondary
Ravens – Rolle CB, Landry S, McCallister CB in the secondary. Plus Ed Reed is banged up pretty bad with a chance his career might end prematurely – I’d say ‘advantage’ Ravens.
LB – No-one from either team really. I mean Ravens have a couple good depth guys on IR, but the starting squadrons for both teams are completely in place.
DL – So, here the Steelers lost Hampton for some time and Keisel for some time. That’s really tough, but does it beat losing Kelly Gregg all the time for the sucks to be me department? I’d say wash, although it might favor the Steelers cause it must have been freaking difficult to get a DLine rotation going when missing two guys. But, I really miss Buddy Lee.
QB – So Ben has been banged up, but honestly, that’s the Steelers offensive line’s fault. Ben getting banged up was pretty much a given. Furthermore, we all seem to pretend that the Ravens’ plan all along was to start Joe Flacco. It’s worked out well, but Harbaugh clearly wanted to start either Boller or Smith before Flacco, because the very going straight from Delaware to the NFL is pretty insane. Whoops. This has more of an effect than I think some people realize, because it’s been difficult for Flacco to develop chemistry with his first team receivers when he never got to work with them in training camp until the last two weeks.
RB – Well, Obviously this one favors the Steelers. And it’s big too, but just like with the Ravens big loss at QB, the RB injuries haven’t really worked out too badly for the Steelers.
OL – So the Steelers have Marvel Smith hurting and Kendall Simmons on IR. The Ravens have Adam Terry hurting and Marshall Yanda on IR. This is pretty much a wash, except for the fact that Yanda has the distinction of being, well… good at football. (I know Smith was good at football, but now?)
TE – Heath Miller has been fine, but he got banged up on Monday. I have no idea how he’s doing now. The Ravens miss Quinn Sypniewski more than a lot of people realize. He’d be doing all of the Todd Heap blocking stuff allowing the Ravens to send the Todd on more routes. Not to mention every rookie TE we signed got injured in training camp. Plus Dan Wilcox is now hurt two. Definitely Ravens.
WR – Steelers top 3 have been more or less healthy. Smoking pot is not an injury. Demetrius Williams is on IR. Favors the Ravens.
ST – Steelers lost their Punter and Longsnapper for the season. That sucks. Who knows what’s wrong with Ravens returnman Yamon Figurs… Favors the Steelers.
I think the Ravens have had more injuries at more positions, but I know more about the Ravens depth situations (like the injured TE factory) than I do about the Steelers. Still, it’s a pretty difficult argument to make that the Steelers have had more injury problems than the Ravens.
I don’t know if this matters, I’d rather bitch about officiating personally. Injuries are part of the game and they suck, but it’s really annoying to say “you only beat us because we didn’t have so-and-so.” How many damn teams get to play a game with all 22 of their starters. Not often.
Also, any banging up of Roethlisberger doesn’t count. The effort the Steelers made to protect him is just shameful. Everyone knew the O-line was trouble and the Steelers let it get worse.
But, injuries to the secondary have to account for some of the Browns – Ravens game. Any time Braylon Edwards is being covered by Evan Oglesby, something has gone horribly wrong. A lot of the Browns offense though was just the Browns killing us on special teams. The Ravens ST has been a huge disappointment all season.
by math_geek on Nov 5, 2008 2:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty even overall
However, the loss of their first and second string RB’s is a key skill position compared to the trenches. While it all begins and ends on the line of scrimmage, becoming one dimensional with the loss of your two main RB’s is pretty hard to overcome and Mwelde Moore stepped up, didn’t he? Love to hate them, but hard to argue their success.
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 5, 2008 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man can you research, now you just need to look into boundary predictions. Accurate assessment aside from our FB for two games, the same ones that FWP and mendenhall were out for. The ravens apparently destroyed our entire RB corps sans 1. Also, leftwich wasn’t supposed to be our backup QB, our other was injured in the pre-season. It wasn’t like charlie batch was amazing or anything though.
The past few games especially game breakdowns have shown that roethlisberger is largely responsible for his sacks. The typically immobile Byron Leftwich came in monday night and was only sacked once vs. Ben’s 4 in the first half. Our O-line sucks for sure, but they aren’t much worse than average.
Anyhow, I wouldn’t try to make the argument that the steelers have more injuries, but I was trying to point out what you have gotten around to – all teams have injuries (besides the titans). And I think for all involved this has been informative.
by steelguy99 on Nov 5, 2008 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I got to agree with Steelguy99 here
A brick wall couldn’t last as long as Ben holds onto the ball in the pocket. In all seriousness, he really needs to learn when to get rid of the ball because these injuries are going to add up and shorten his career. That and to stay off of car windshields.
"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."
by UMBC Oriole fan on Nov 5, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually remembered Carey Davis
I just left him out by complete accident. Obviously that’s important
I completely forgot about Charlie Batch, I’m still angry at the Steelers for not attempting to improve their O-Line though. Watching good QBs get the crap kicked out of them is simply not entertaining. Leftwich stayed on his feet because the vast majority of his drops seemed to be of the 3 step release and underneath stuff variety. Maybe the Steelers just made half-time adjustments, which is all fine and good. The only way you can possibly argue the Steelers O-Line is close to average in pass protection however is if you argue that Ben Roethlesberger is a mediocre QB that simply holds on to the ball for way to long. I’m not buying it.
What the heck is a boundary prediction???
by math_geek on Nov 5, 2008 2:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
note: I realize that steelguy is saying that it is Ben holding onto the ball for too long, I’m just not sure I agree with it from the Steelers games I’ve seen (although obv he’s seen more)
by math_geek on Nov 5, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All seems well in Pitt. to me. If injuries make you 6-2 go break a leg.
Leftwich has a little something to prove and, to me, is just a heftier version of Berger.
I don’t think they loose much at QB…What does Ben usually give the team..maybe 210 yards on a good day. I just hope Lefty is easier to sack.
by raven on Nov 5, 2008 3:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget...
…he’s the guy the Ravens wanted to grab when Suggs fell to them a few years ago. The Jags jumped all over him and we traded up to get our QB of the future, Boller. What a great pick- at the time.
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 5, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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