Around the AFC North: Playoffs!?
Unless I'm wrong, which I rarely am, if the playoffs started today, the Ravens would be the top Wild Card and go on the road to Denver to play the Denver Broncos in the first round. The seedings, in order, would be the division winners: Tennesee, Pittsburgh, New England, Denver. The two Wild Cards would be the Ravens and the Jets, in that order, as the Ravens have the better division and conference record than the Jets. The Patriots would host the Jets in the other first round game while the Titans and Steelers would get first round byes and await the winners. Going on the road to beat the Broncos, Steelers and Titans would be a great streak, and should remind you of what happened in 2000-01.
In the NFC, the division winners would be, in order of seeding, Giants, Carolina, Arizona, Chicago, followed by the two Wild Cards, Washington and Tampa Bay. The Redskins would go to Chicago and the Bucs to Arizona, with the Giants and Panthers waiting to see who they'd face in the second round.
While the Falcons might miss the playoffs, they are the NFC's equivalent to the Ravens, as they were coming off a terrible season and were not on anyone's radar for the type of success they've enjoyed. Coupled with the fact that both teams are starting and enjoying surprising success with rookie first round draft picks at QB, the similarities are significant. Both teams defenses are playing great and their passing games are both set up by strong running attacks. However, the Ravens have a bigger core of veterans and a better defense, which should carry them further now and in the future.
Of course, the season is just one game past the halfway point and there is a lot of football to come, which should certainly change the playoff scenerios as it progresses. In the AFC North, the Ravens might be tied with the Steelers, but Pittsburgh currently holds the tie breaker by virtue of their win over the Ravens. However, we get our chance at revenge and should be able to defend our turf when they come to M&T Bank Stadium. That leaves the rest of the schedule to determine who takes the division crown. The Ravens remaining schedule has them hosting the Eagles, Redskins, Steelers and Jaguars, while visiting the Giants, Bengals and Cowboys. I can reasonably see us going 3-1 at home and 1-2 on the road, which would have us finish at 10-6. However, if we can win out at home or steal one on the road, then 11-5 isn't out of the question, and if so, should get us the AFC North crown and a good chance at a first round bye plus at least one home game in the postseason.
The Steelers remaining schedule consists of home games against San Diego, Cincinnati, Dallas and Cleveland and road games at New England, Baltimore and Tennessee. I can reasonably see the Steelers going 0-for on the road while sweeping their remaining home contests, to finish at 10-6. Of course, I can see them losing at home to the Cowboys or perhaps even the Chargers, which would drop them out of contention for the division title and leave them fighting for a Wild Card berth.
The Browns looked like they have begun to doubt themselves and I believe we're going to see a locker room implosion shortly that will probably end with the firing of coach Romeo Crennel by the end of the season if not earlier. Cincinnati will be fighting for the #1 pick in the draft, and will probably tear apart their roster and coaching staff in the off season. If so, I'd take TJ or 85 anyday as a Christmas gift for Joe Flacco!
While the AFC North may not be the toughest division from top to bottom in the NFL, the two top teams present the top two defenses in the league. No one wants to face either of us now, or in the post season, as everyone knows defense wins championships. In addition, the Ravens now have an offense to complement and no longer rely on the defense to win the game. That combination makes the Ravens one of the toughest teams to game plan for. This weekend's contest at the NY Giants will be a great test to see how we can do against a team with a winning record, much less one that many rank as the top team in the entire NFL. As a hardcore Ravens fan, I welcome the challenge and the opportunity to show the Giants and the rest of the league how far we've come and what a force we are going to be to reckon with, this season as well as long into the future.
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can some of you all start talking on the Giants blog, I’m tired of defending my team alone. LOL
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Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes
by Matchz Malone on Nov 11, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Still a bit early
Steelers…this team seems like something is missing. I honestly hope Ben stays in as Leftwich looked really good in the game the other day. They seem to be playing not to lose as opposed to the Steelers typical, “ram it down your throat”. Their defense is still impressive but I got to believe that the Ravens seem to be getting better every week while the Steelers seem to be slowing down. Hard to tell exactly what their deal is.
Browns- Good to see Jamal Lewis back to his true form, dancing at the line of scrimmage, demanding more carries than he should get, and holding back their better talent at RB. Now all that needs to happen is for Jamal to start bad mouthing the Browns organization and piss off the fan base. Brady Quinn at least makes their games interesting but that team…they kind of remind me of the Seattle Mariners last year, in that they way over performed one year, tricked their organization and fan base that they were only one or two key components away from success…and then reality set in. If I was DA, I would demand a trade. I would rather back up on a CFL team than play for a city that continues to unfairly blame and entire teams failure on just one person. I think the Cowboys would have loved to have DA.
Bengals-I firmly believe that nothing will help that organization until they get new owners. The Browns are trying to develop a franchise that can compete with the Steelers and Ravens….I honestly don’t know what the Bengals are doing…at all. First round picks don’t mean anything unless you have good scouts and a well establish plan of development. I really don’t know how their fan base puts up with that organization…
"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."
by UMBC Oriole fan on Nov 11, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
good analogy with Seattle Mariners and Bengals- i think of old Brunner-TJ and old Griffey-Chad and way old Norm Charlton-Anderson lol…oh wait, Edgar Martinez, Jeff Nelson, A-Rod…man they were great for a year or two….Your right!
by raven on Nov 11, 2008 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You boys are always the optimists over here. Not that your proposition is unrealistic, but you definitely seem to be going on the assumption that the ravens will finish at worst 10-6 and the steelers at best 10-6.
I think in two weeks we should have a pretty good view of the AFC north, as I find it much more likely that we’ll go 2-0 and the ravens will go 0-2 than the other way around. Anything can happen though, so we’ll just have to wait and see.
by steelguy99 on Nov 11, 2008 1:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Come one man
You can not tell me that the last Steeler’s game did not have you wondering what was up. I agree with you that the play of both teams will decide this better than our discussions.
"When they get drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, we expect them to play like that. Are we surprised? No."
by UMBC Oriole fan on Nov 11, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, steelers nation is absolutely shitting itself dude. We are the pessimists to your optimists. I’m not saying we are without our problems, which is why we’ll know more after the next two games, on both relevant teams in the AFC north.
by steelguy99 on Nov 11, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thge way the Steelers have played lately,...
…get by the Chargers first and then talk to us. You have a much better chance of beating San Diego than we do of going up to Jersey and upsetting the Giants. However, Big Ben has had a tough time as of late and I wouldn’t be shocked if the Chargers pull it off. Let’s see what happens.
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 11, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s a lot easier to look good against bad teams than good ones. It’s not like the steelers exactly struggled against the Texans with their starting QB either.
The ravens held their own with PIT and TEN, and clearly they are a pretty good team. But I don’t think you can extrapolate the last few games as the ravens being far and away better than they were early in the season. We need to see what happens when you face a team with a good team, good defense, good offense. PIT has, and they have come away very inconsistent. The ravens have hung in their with the big boys, but have not pulled out a win. The steelers have, but one single game against the redskins isn’t going to make our season.
by steelguy99 on Nov 11, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A win on the road in the NFL
is a great win, be it over a team with a winning record or not. Three out of the four on our winning streak has been on the road and each of those teams, regardless of records, have beaten or came close to beating a tough team with a winning record. So don’t discount wins based on record. When the Miami Dolphins of 1972 went undefeated, they beat only two teams with winning records during the regular season, and both of those teams finished 8-6.
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 12, 2008 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So the steelers have 4 quality wins to your three?
by steelguy99 on Nov 12, 2008 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TJ/Boldin/85
First off, there’s no way the ravens get Boldin. Zona has stated ad nauseam that they have zero intention of trading him, and it figures, since he’s a top-5 receiver at this point. Dude is probably also a lot happier there now that the NFC West is theirs to lose. His contract isn’t up, so in a hypothetical trade we would have to probably give up first and third rounders, and you know how unlikely it is that Ozzie does that.
Secondly, why in the world do you want 85? He’s an idiot, he’s nearing the end of his prime, and he’s having a bad year. Plus he’s a malcontent. We don’t need a Me me me guy like that.
Housh, on the other hand, would be a great FA addition. He will want the big bucks, but he is worth it, and I’ll bet Ozzie goes after him. Hell, i’d bet Ray personally makes the phone call and then calls up Ozzie like “Dude is with me, go get him.”
Let’s hope that happens. No guarantees though, as its entirely possible someone bests our offer.
As for the optimistic predictions, you’re a week early. We all know the Ravens are way better than their week 4 and 5 losses to Pitt and Tenn, but if we don’t beat NYG, all the naysayers are going to chime in that we have only beaten one team with a winning record.
On the other hand, if we beat NYG, everyone will talk about us. So lets cool our jets and see how this new and improved Ravens offense handles Justin Tuck and company, and lets see if this beastly-as-usual Ravens D can come up with some turnovers. Its not like Eli’s never thrown 3 picks in a game before, and its not like Brandon Jacobs has never had 2 fumbles before, so it could be interesting.
But like Steelguy99 said, lets wait and see.
by jackmca on Nov 11, 2008 1:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would take 85 anyday
He may not be putting up the numbers we are used to, but he is on one of the most unorganized teams in the NFL and has freakin Ryan Fitzpatrick as his QB. Yea, Chad has always come off as a me me me guy, but what have we seen from him this year making him look like that? He said his team will go 8-8, that is just a statement. He hasnt been doing the crazy celebrations, talking non stop, sending pepto bismol to other teams. Ocho Cinco and Ray Lewis are Best Friends and talk before every game on sunday. I think if Chad came here, saw the type of professionalism we have, he will settle down and just go out there and play football. Ray will not allow Chad to get outta hand, cause if he does, I am sure Ray would take assertive action very quickly and not let it happen again, and we all know that you do NOT want to piss Ray off.
I am not saying I wouldnt take TJ, but I just dont want him and have never liked him. He is a great reciever, but that is because he had the deep threat of 85 next to him. We have Mason is more of a possession receiver, maybe the best in the league at that aspect, but having 85 on the other side of the ball would force teams to drop back more, defend the deep ball, and open up more room for Mason to get his 10-15 yard curl routes.
But then we have to look at it this way. Sure, we would have one of these elite receivers who has been doing it for many years in the NFL, but all these guys, Chad, TJ, and even Boldin are nearing 30. They still produce great numbers and are still at the top in the WR class, but they will not be able to play that much longer. (Yes, I know, Boldin is a little crazy to through out there, but he is going to be 30 by the end of next season) I think this team and Joe needs a young 23-24 year old, 6’4", blazing fast receiver who we can develop over the years. This is a new face on the franchise and we are all looking to rebuild this team, get younger, and try to establish a bright future. However, what ever decision we make, I will take it, just make sure we look ahead of time.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 11, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
TJ is 31 right now and 85 is 30. Boldin will be 29 after next season.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 11, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
85 is more of a deep threat than TJ
But TJ is a better fit by my standards.
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 11, 2008 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want Chad unless its little to no risk
He has to prove he can contribute without being a distraction. If we can get him in a situation where we could cut him with little effect on our cap situation, I’d do it. I would not give up more then a third for him. I think TJ would fit much better here.
by DT711 on Nov 11, 2008 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tj or ocho stinko
would love Boldin. Have no interest in TJ or Ocho Stuipdo. They are me, me guys who will not fit into what Harbaugh is doing. We don’t want to add malcontents we want to get rid of them. If there was a way to get Boldin where it would cost us no more than a #1, I would pull the trigger on the trade today. Our #1 next year will be at best middle of the pack. The best receivers in the first round will go in the top 10.
by ppdoc on Nov 11, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, which is basically only Crabtree.
If we are not able to get Crabtree in the first round, then it might be smart to trade that first rounder. But we always seem to have a great first round pick. There are a few WR’s that will be either late 1st rounders, but most likely 2nd round picks, Heyward-Bey, Harvin, and Iglesis. Those 3 are very talented receivers, but I feel Heyward-Bey and Iglesis would fit best in our system because they are both tall and fast. I would hate to pass up a great Cornerback in the first round if he dropped down to our spot. I love Boldin however and I feel that he plays Raven style football. If Ozzie and Steve want to pull the trigger on a big time trade and still feel we will benefit from it in the draft, do it.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 11, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget we need a corner
Malcolm Jenkins from OSU maybe?
by DT711 on Nov 11, 2008 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That
would be awesome. I think we’d need a top 5 pick though.
by thedecline19 on Nov 11, 2008 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, we’ve become to good for Malcolm. If he fell I would do the worlds biggest happy dance.
by math_geek on Nov 11, 2008 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Both will be gone by the time we pick
and neither is worth trading up for and messing up our entire draft.
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 12, 2008 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WRs in draft...
Actually, Iglesis is only 6’0, so he’s not that tall. I agree, about Heyward-Bey though.
But keep in mind guys, top-10 picks aren’t popular these days due to the tough negotiating involved in signing them. A few teams tried to trade down from their top picks last year and weren’t able to. So the ravens may well be able to strike a deal with one of the top few teams and go after crabtree, which I think would be great.
Crabtree is just so desireable because of his size and ability to get position and go after balls agressively. And after that last-second catch to beat Texas, its hard not to respect his clutch nerves. But Heyward-Bey is probably the speed-demon of the group and he’s 6-2, so he’s not undersized either.
My opinion is that, having Figurs, Clayton, and at least a few more years out of Mason, we have the sub-6-foot possession-WR covered (I know Figurs isn’t exactly posession but he’s probably not going to be a big-time go-to guy). So I want a guy who’s at least 6-2 who can get up there for jump balls— that would add a whole other dimension to our passing game.
Crabtree or Heyward-Bey I say.
by jackmca on Nov 12, 2008 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
You hit the nail on the spot there. I agree, Crabtree would be a blessing for us to get. I did not even think of the higher teams trying to trade down because of contract problems most of the players cause. Right now, it is looking like we will be getting a first round pick of 18-26, maybe even 32 : ) If say a team at 8-10 is in need of a few extra picks like the Saints, who gave up their 2nd and 5th round for Shockey, we could move up to their spot, give them our first and maybe a 3rd round to get Crabtree.
Crabtree has everything you could want out of a WR. He has the size, speed, and strength that you need. If he is not in a spot for us to go grab him, I would hope to look at a Cornerback with out late first round pick. I feel as if Heyward -Bey could very well be there in the 2nd round, where we could easily trade up to get him and not have to give up anything too important. Either of these receivers would work well with Flacco. H
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 12, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin
I posted this in another thread but I think it is relevant here as well…
The main reason I can think for Zona to trade Boldin is that they can’t afford to pay him and Fitz. Also, because of Breaston’s emergence they might feel the money can be spent better elsewhere. He wants a new contract and his play this year has backed up his demands. It is a long shot but he is #1 on my wish list, and probably my favorite non-raven player. He would be a perfect fit on our O, and would bring some of the same toughness and intensity that our D brings weekly. I think Ozzie would strongly consider giving up our 1st rounder (pick ~20 or so) and next years 4th to get him. I’d do that in a heartbeat. It’s also too bad you can’t do sign and trades b/c Bart and a second or third rounder might get it done. Boldin, Flacco, Rice, McClain, and our young O-LIne would have our offense set for years to come.
by DT711 on Nov 11, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was under the impression
the JETS couldn’t play a divisional opp. in the wild card round. So wouldn’t it be Jets Broncs/ Ravens Patsies???j
by ProudYankee on Nov 11, 2008 2:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that's baseball
Giants played the Eagles in the Wild Card round in ‘06. it’s 3 vs. 6, 4 vs. 5 – no matter what the division ties are.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 11, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Used to be that way...
..but not anymore.
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 11, 2008 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man oh man sunday can’t get here fast enough
by raven on Nov 11, 2008 7:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Heap runs like a feld tree…i heard he googled YAC
by raven on Nov 11, 2008 7:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Notice how Heap
is always tackled by a guy diving at his knees, and he almost flips on every play he makes. Wonder if he kept his head up if he could just jump over the diving tackler?
Rexx
by Rexx on Nov 12, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know Heap will now get a 40 yard catch and run Sunday
by raven on Nov 15, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin
Guys I would really forget about Boldin. Imagine what we would have to pay him, combined with all of our salary issues involved in keeping our stacked defense together. We’re probably looking at Bart Scott’s last season, and McAlister’s too, but any space freed up there will probably go to 5-year deals for Suggs and Lewis. Rightfully so, I say, but it makes it all the more likely that Ozzie grabs a WR in the first-round rather than trade that first-rounder in order to pay 3-times as much for a 29-year old like Boldin.
Back to my previous draft post, as much as I would like Crabtreee, I’m starting to think that if we trade up for anybody it should be Malcolm Jenkins or Vontae Davis. We should still be able to find a decent WR in the second round, but Jenkins or Davis would be impact players right away and we need solid pass coverage in order to legitimize our pass-rush, which could also use an upgrade.
by jackmca on Nov 12, 2008 8:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree again
I stated in a post somewhere else here that Boldin will be 29 by next season. As much as I love his play style, as I feel he plays more like a Raven than any other player in the NFL not on our team, we need to rebuild this franchise with younger talent. What are we going to do 4 years after when he is 33 and slowing down? If we can get a 22-23 year old WR and breed him into a stud, show him the arm that he will have throwing to him. I feel as if our coaching staff is WAY TOO smart to ever draft a bust in this league. Ozzie has been drafting Pro Bollers Bowlers since we have been in the league. We even produce Pro Bollers Bowlers as undrafted free agents IE Bart Scott.
With Cam Cameron looking as our offensive coor. for many years to come, as I feel he will not go back to head coaching unless it is college, we have a lot of ways to breed a star Wideout. I feel as if we already drafted 3 future pro bowl players in this years draft in Flacco, Rice, and Gooden (I know we have not seen a lot of T-Good yet, but when Bart Scott is gone, Gooden will be taking his spot most likely. Ray Lewis loves him and is teaching him so much, plus he is from Miami, and they never produce terrible players). If we can add young talent to this young offense, let Mason teach the kid a little bit, line Mason up at the 2 spot, and let the other guy show his talent. I cannot imagine how good we could be if we had another problem for defenses other than Mason.
This team has been living off of the face of our defense, which is fine by me, but have never given our offense credit for what they can do. I cannot blame them for this because we have been one of the worse offenses in the NFL over many of the past seasons. It is time to show the NFL some spark from our offense. I want to see our boy Joe get some 300 yard 4 td games throwing to someone who just cannot be covered. I pray for that day.
by Mr MaLoR on Nov 12, 2008 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
busts
well we did draft a couple guys named travis taylor and kyle boller, who both looked like studs at the time, so its not impossible that we sign a crabtree and once the guy gets his first couple million he decides he doesnt feel like working hard anymore hehe…
not that i expect that to happen but Ozzie is only human, he can’t see into a college fball player’s soul.
by jackmca on Nov 12, 2008 1:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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